Was the Battle of Mimban Used to Get Rid of Undesirables?

[@GenerationTech]

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[@surplusdistribution3958]

The U.S. prison system is NOT one of the largest in the world. It is by FAR the world leader in locking up its own people. In gross numbers too, not just per capita. Meaning we lock up more people than countries like India or China that have many times our own population.

[@shadowstryker640]

It would make sense from the Empire’s perspective. They get the chance to weed out supposed traitors before they even have a chance to be fully trained. I imagine the Mimban campaign had a high desertion rate because of it.

[@iconicjesterman1288]

Not saying it was the entire intention here but got to agree at least some Commanders may have seen this as a good way to deal with these types as they either die and are put to some minimal use or if they survive they prove they have skills the Empire may need

[@tomaskops7119]

Problem with desertion on Minban campaign is - you have nowhere to go - Your officer will shoot you, Minban people will shoot you, chance to get on ship nearly zero

[@IsaiahRichards692]

Except, no, they can’t bombard the enemy from space because they live underground so it makes the most sense to swarm the enemy defenses with hordes of disposable infantrymen!

[@JayeSunsurn]

Brannigan: "You see, killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down. Kif, show them the medal I won."

[@weldonwin]

Kif: Ugh... *(Points)*

[@eddapultstab2078]

Remember kids those medals on that officers chest were once somebody's children......

[@weldonwin]

@@eddapultstab2078 And Imperial Generals, wear a Loooooot of medals

[@HHopebringer]

Brannigan, at the Battle of Endor: "Stop EXPLODING, you cowards!"

[@eddapultstab2078]

@@HHopebringer also Brannigan at endor: "we need to show them who's boss, use the deathstar and target the medical frigate......" Kiff: "what about their conspicuous flagship right in front of us?" Brannigan: "too easy, I want to put them in a false sense of security and take this bull by the horns!" Kiff: "uuuuugghhhhh....." *makes to the escape pods*

[@SaberKnight18]

The Empire really should’ve won the galactic civil war but the nepotism and obsession with loyalty screwed them over

[@eight-cloudspurple5871]

"If the Empire wasnt the Empire they would have won."

[@SaberKnight18]

@@eight-cloudspurple5871 Exactly that

[@lucagerulat307]

Most rebels were trained by the empire. Especially pilots and special forces seem to be defecting to the rebellion in mass.

[@isaackim7675]

If it wasn’t for all that infighting, the Imperials would’ve won the Battle of Jakku

[@ryandanskin6539]

I think it has more to do with George Lucas' writing

[@AS-lf7rg]

Andor: “They gave me a choice - jail, the army, or apologizing to Darth Vader and the emperor. Now of course, if I knew there was a war going on on Mimban, I probably would've apologized.”

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

Interesting, in a deleted scene for Solo the character really uses his charms to not only mis call an officer for his rank but behaving in such a manner that it is awonder he didn't get executed on the spot. He apperantly had a bad tendency for damaging his ships for low gains and got sent to Mimbaan soon after, he still kept some of his attitude on the Rebellion but actually took more responsibilities for the resources and troops under his command.

[@GenerationTech]

yeah but he also had a habit of saving fellow pilots as well, the empire was just worried more about the ships

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

@@GenerationTech that is true, had he articulated his thoughts better: "I saved the pilot plus the ship which will avoid the Empire from spending money to train another pilot and which can be placed towards more areas" and such, he might have garnered support. Military Brass really likes ideas that not only save their gear but help them saving costs. The problem is that the Empire had many officers which I am sadly seeing more and more in the upper echelons of the US military. An example is on the disaster of how the US withdrew from Afghanistan: the current US President told everyone (including NATO) to not trust their own intelligence because he had an excellent plan (after removing the planning by Trump) which assured success. Then we all saw the disaster unfold before our eyes and the military higher ups were like children not taking any responsibility oh, how the heck you mess up so bad and you don't fire a single military officer? They must have had some good blackmail to secure their positions.

[@eddapultstab2078]

It's because he doesn't really care about his own well being, but when other people's fates are tied to him he shapes up. It shows in a new hope, he couldn't let a person he now respects and fought with to die on a suicide mission, not without him atleast. It is a type of selflessness that teders between toxic and benevolent. When it's just him he couldn't care less, but when others are relying on him he subconsciously knows to think about their well being. The original trilogy kinda demonstrated that side of Han and that his aloof behavior is just a defense to keep even more responsibility on him.

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

@@eddapultstab2078 true enough

[@DeosPraetorian]

trump helped create the mess by making that deal@@luisemoralesfalcon4716

[@user-Jay178]

Yeah the empire really sent a lot of people to their deaths, I bet many left and went to join in the rebellion. Love your content.

[@tompearce5418]

Look at the novel Rogue One where military personnel posted to Jedda were left behind and killed when the Death Star was tested on the capital city.

[@yigityildirim9877]

​@@tompearce5418tho in the movie they extract the area of imperial forces before the shooting

[@thestanleys3657]

All of the imperial military is expendable to the Empire many are more than willing to sign up to replace the losses. The drawn out battle campaigns maybe are done on purpose to create fear of similar battles happening on there own planets

[@neofulcrum5013]

Exactly. These guys who sign up to join are loyal to the empire but the empire is NOT loyal to them.

[@ryanscanlon2151]

I just had a thought, what if the trench warfare is simply continued on from the clone wars directly. It's interesting how they clone unit was referred to as the mud jumpers with the advise to "keep your heads down". It sounds like they were in the trenches since very early in the clone wars. Which makes sense based on how thin the clones were spread very thin they would have been more likely to encounter this kind of stalemate than the much larger forces the empire could muster. No one has bothered to reevaluate the situation and the empire is uninterested in investing the units required to break the stalemate but can end the battle because it would make them look weak at a time where the illusion of power was most important. It could even be a sort of recruitment tool having active conflicts no matter how small is just enough truth to breath credibility into propaganda

[@TheManicMole]

the only reason I think the empire would purposely try to waste lives like that would be some sort of Sith "slow-cooked darkside nexus" kinda plan. it feels more likely that it's mostly corruption and incompetence that kept that war going like it did.

[@GenerationTech]

lol slow cook i like that term for some twisted reason. Makes sense kind of like how Vitiate became immortal after soaking up all those other sith lords on Nathema.

[@krispalermo8133]

@@GenerationTech 1990's EU novel " Tales of Jabba Palace, " and that bounty hunter short stories novel, Each year at around the same week Vader shows up and kills off all the sand people there. No one is brave enough to ask Vader why ? Few years later Attack of the Clones came out, now we know why. At first my game shop like the fan favorite easter egg, then realized how bummer out that was. After feeling sorry at first, we switch talk over if you could magic power force crystals in the area. Like other fantasy game systems magic/spirit energy nexus. D&D/ ghost ship rpg, Star Wars style.

[@johnquach8821]

Interesting idea. I've also heard the theory that Mimban campaign in Solo was primarily due to a terrible Imperial general who wasn't replaced (because the more competent generals were busy elsewhere).

[@jacoblansman8147]

I am reminded of "The Storm" episode of ATLA in which it is explained that Zuko's exile is a result of him speaking out against a war general who planned to send a division of new recruits against a hardened enemy battalion as a diversion for another, more experienced division to attack from another angle, with no expectation for any of the new recruits to survive.

[@marrqi7wini54]

I know it was a harsh and calloused tactic. But did it work?

[@jacoblansman8147]

@@marrqi7wini54 as far as I'm aware, we never find out if that division of new recruits was sent to their deaths or not.

[@diggoryjaydark97]

Perhaps the trench warfare was not because the empire wasnt able to win, but because they didnt need too. Why waste resources attacking and taking the whole planet when you only needed the stuff underground, If you run out of stuff to mine, throw a couple thousand troops at the enemy. Advance, secure and strip the area, then repeat.

[@karlez7664]

interesting theory

[@GenerationTech]

I always assumed they could just crack open the planet makes it easier to mine stuff 🤷‍♂️

[@marrqi7wini54]

​@@GenerationTech And you would have millions of years of material for every world cracked.

[@eddapultstab2078]

​@@GenerationTechthey didn't have a deathstar yet

[@grisom5863]

Though it is a curious thought on what happens to a world in which the mineral or resource they're mining for was entirely used up or mostly used to the point where it wasn't really profitable to continue going. What now does an intergalactic corporation, empire, or world's inhabitants do?

[@indianajones4321]

The Empire was definitely threatened by Clone Wars veterans

[@johannesbowers7467]

Another significant factor in the campaign for Mimban Is the nature of the native opposition. While these surface dwelling native population of Mimbanese would eventually become cowed servile laborers, The subterranean dwelling Coynite Warrior tribes were far more dangerous persistent and inaccessible to artillery, Air strike, or Infantry counterattack. (Legends: Splinter of the mind's eye.) Imagine if the VC tunnel complexes of Vietnam were elevated to the level of the minds of Moria.

[@RedXlV]

I really like the idea that in the time when rebellions were all single-planet affairs without any coordination, Palpatine was exploiting them as a sort of controlled opposition. Drawing any disloyal elements into the open and giving conscripted soldiers (be they outright "undesirables" or just people who don't have any more important use to the Empire than as infantry) with enemies to be fighting indefinitely so that they won't have time to get into anything potentially seditious.

[@alexhudson277]

It could be similar to in the Legion of the Damned books series by William C. Dietz. Where the troops get sent to hellish worlds with hostile populations as a form of training. In order to give them combat experience, see who survives and where they're best suited.

[@arthurbriand2175]

Well you can't have a war economy without war. There are only so many pirates and rebels to fight in space. Your armored infantry also needs some practice. If you follow the "Palpatine knew about the Vongs" theory, then it would make sense to expose your army to grueling violent CQC in mud so that they are ready for violence on a pure level.

[@mattheweaton9111]

Trench warfare is effective. Not matter what time. Also palatine had the army and the stormtrooper core. However as the timeframe came closer to 0bby the stormtrooper core got larger and larger to rival the army. And after 0bby it only got larger. Palpating wanted a force that looked intimidating and completely loyal to him. A lot of army troopers especially in the early years of the empire were recruited from defense forces around the galaxy

[@GGBlaster]

Maybe not getting rid of undesirables, but the fact that the Empire was using their more expendable units (demoted, injured and criminals) in the Mimban campaign is definitely evidence of just how desperate the fighting was getting.

[@lerneanlion]

I have a question: Why the Dreamers, the reorganized Partisans, did launch a raid against Coruscant? To be exact, why Saw never did such a thing when he was in charge of the Partisans?

[@neofulcrum5013]

Because the Death Star was a bigger concern

[@GenerationTech]

From what I understand is the Dreamers were even more chaotic than Saw. Saw Gerera was very good at surviving and keeping a step ahead of the empire when he died you just had even more extreme but less capable people taking over. They had basically devolved into a legit terrorist organization

[@tristynbishop6158]

The Republic: helped the Mimbanese with Rex and Jar-Jar Empire + Han Solo: trench warfare and killing allies for a God damn metal (did Jar-Jar Bincks command the Empire's enemies!?)

[@sonder2686]

These videos basically everyday help me get through work, great stuff man!

[@matthewwalkemar8726]

Awesome! I literally commented about this on the previous mimban video. It’s sweet to get some validity even though I don’t know for sure if he saw my comment about it in the other mimban video.

[@danielarrington6387]

i love how he compares star wars battles to real events going on today and throughout history !

[@MyelinProductions]

Another Great useful video! Very informative. Thank You. Be Safe out there folks ~ Peace & Health to Us All.

[@kdavidsmith1]

I have two ideas, either Mimbam was important enough to continue combat operations but not important enough to commit serious resources to so it became a mud pit (both literally and metaphorically) where the empire dumped manpower but nothing more to maintain combat or the empire treated Mimbam like Eastern Front in Germany during WW2. An unspoken threat for any failure to do ones duty.

[@xrstevenson]

God I love this channel. I'm slowly watching every. Single. Piece. All over again.

[@SweetS2724]

9:04 since this is the only time we see the AT-DT(I think), I’d imagine their also throwing away old/unfavorable equipment as well

[@isaackim7675]

While the Empire has the technological advantage, the Mimbam Resistance had home field advantage.

[@Sephiroth144]

Of course, the Empire had the orbitals; if I remember correctly, the Mimbanese weren't of particular import to the Empire, so if they wanted to solve that problem and take the planet, they could have at any time.

[@Sephiroth144]

@@TaurusInvicta But are the population centers over those precious resources? Cuz if not, I have a very Imperial solution. Hell, even if they are, they don't have to go full Base Delta Zero; lower powered turbolaser fire would get the job done, (the job being "flatten infrastructure and cause mass casualties")

[@depreseo]

Many resource extraction areas have the little problem if being right next to population centres (after all, it's easier to ship the cheep manpower in locally). Also, bombardments tend to have a bit of the opposite affect when it comes to putting down opposition. Templin institute has a 1 hour video on planetary invasions which covers a bunch of this if your interested.

[@Sephiroth144]

@@TaurusInvicta My reasoning (for the Empire internally) is to keep showing proof of a needed hyper-military; "See, we need MORE walkers/troops/supplies- PLANET NAME HERE is still in rebellion, and we lost BIG NUMBER HERE brave Imperial troopers trying to keep them from attacking other worlds...

[@Sephiroth144]

@@depreseo Yeah, but there's a difference between breaking a people and erasing a people. We had planets being glassed in a day long before not-moons were one shot'ing them... Like, do you think if a small fleet of ships lined up along a line of longitude and just opened fire, erasing anything under from pole to pole and letting the planet's rotation move the planet, that whatever people were left in, say, the Americas wouldn't surrender after New Zealand, Australia, China, India, all of Asia, Europe and Africa were just wiped out- and that wall of laser-y death was creeping forward along? Insofar as the hyperbaride deposits, (the main mineral of note on Mimban), they are repeatedly referenced as "deep"; blasting off 10, 20 meters of the surface probably isn't going to affect the majority of the deposits. If it was about cost saving, they would've just been done with the rebellious Mimbanese in a few days, ship in slave/prison workforce and treat it like Kessel 2.0.

[@scelonferdi]

If you read the visual guide you'll notice that it's mostly washouts or penal postings from other branches, but not prisoners. So it's certainly people the empire didn't value and might as well use.

[@kungfuwitcher7621]

Very interesting answers to the posters question. Nice one Alan 👍 Love that screen saver too 😊

[@matheusGMN]

in a previous video, you said it felt strange to use trench warfare in the future, but I saw the other day that some old research done by the GDR saw that, a properly made trench reduced casualties from artillery up to 80%, which is pretty good when armies don't fight that directly anymore

[@michaelsargeant5923]

Very enjoyable. Thanks to you and your team. From your friends across the pond 🇬🇧

[@jacobweinstock2180]

My first thought when I heard, you can't trust prisoner soldiers "Those guys need a good old Commissar from Warhammer 40k"

[@alessiodecarolis]

Perhaps the troops on Minbar were a mixed bunch, with either regulars and penal units .as seen in some WH40K IG battalion, with a penal unit assigned to them. Surely the more specialized soldiers, as mechs, artillery & supports were regs, with some "indesiderables" as cannon fodder .

[@Parocha]

1:22 as cool as it looks, twirling your blaster AFTER EVERY SINGLE SHOT in such a target-rich environment is ridiculous 😂 imagine if a WWI soldier stood on top of the trench, pulled out a couple of Weblys and started doing the Robocop twirl with each shot 😅

[@vexile1239]

Weren't Weblys single shot weapons?

[@Tenttrak]

Binging your videos because of a bad case of food poisoning. Thanks for the much needed distraction

[@williamjanak2013]

Thank you for once more weave political commitary smoothly in a Star War video. Most might not realize it but you still put the thought in peoples head. Great video as always.

[@brokenlegend1179]

Finally! Ive been waiting to see if u would talk about this! Awesome video!!!!! 😄😄😄❤❤❤❤

[@kiwitotem7400]

I like to imagine this was a dumping ground for clones in the early uears of the empire, as it eould make a ton of sense to me because it would be pretty easy to hide from the senate and remove the need to do amything for retirement

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

The clones unknowingly prepared the mimbanese for their fight against the empire.

[@geoffreymowbray6789]

After the battles of 1914, 1915, 1916 and 1917 war weariness set in and in 1917 there took place the mutinies in the French and Russian armies, the collapse of morale in the Italian army. In Belgium and France, the Armies of the British and German Empires there was widespread out breaks of "LIVE AND LIVE" amongst the front-line infantry at platoon and even company level. "We have an arrangement with Fritz ... nobody fires between 0800 hours and 1630 hours .... we have been shot at every hour God gives .... now we get shot at by arrangement, and we prefer it that way" ... officer of the 8th Infantry Battalion, (1st Division) Australian Imperial Force.

[@GenerationTech]

Let’s also not forget the complete collapse of the Russian empire

[@questionmaker5666]

@droppeddogs Not quite, the Australian Imperial Force was an all volunteer force which would prove key in the fighting which ended the war and more than willing to fight. The Live and Let Live only happened when the lines hadn't moved.

[@chelipedrik]

11:00 The small groups of convicts do pave the way for artillery which is a specialized troop, but they also have varying methods depending on which is most suitable for the terrain or logistical situation. The system put in place by the Russian Infantry in general is hierarchal. There are four troop layers- top down : Specialized, Line, Assault, & “Disposable”. The latter is the one that is sent out in small reconnaissance groups of three to five men. They are to charge head on and make contact with the enemy, tire them out while exposing weak points. The ones of the group who survive are then expected to dig in for the assault troops to have a staging ground in preparation to infiltrate the enemy weak points. Once the enemy’s position is stormed and taken by the assault troops, the line troops come in as substitutes and occupy it. All while this cycle is occurring there are blocking detachments within the specialized troops who are positioned a ways far from the frontline with heavy, scoped weaponry ready to fire upon hesitant “disposables”.

[@chelipedrik]

The specialized troops will call in Artillery if the “disposables” unveil an enemy position that is too large for the assault troops to storm.

[@yoseidman4166]

Allen do you write these with your team or on your own? Just curious. This is brilliant and needed to think about our current world - as others in the comments have noted.

[@eddapultstab2078]

I dont think it was about removing undesirables. I really see two parallels that are plausible, one is very realistic when you think about it and the other is reasonable considering Palpatines MO. Palpatine has always been a methodical planner, he knew seperatist elements would go to ground and hide looking for an opportunity to strike deep and hard. so he allow terrible battles like mimbam to incubate in order to bird dog the remaining seperatist and rebel cells. Its bat poop crazy but its Palpatine and tarkin we are talking about. The other is as clones were being phased out, they were being replaced by low quality conscripts. Even if their are volunteers, they probably had only a couple weeks, at most, of training. The mimbaneese were not only better trained, but were used to fighting elite clone units who were just fundamentally built different. Fighting veterans on the defense against unproven commanders and infantry groups usually leads to very high casualties.

[@Forsworcen]

Always assume incompetence before maliciousness, both in reality and fiction.

[@strambino1]

Mimbam is the Bakhmut of the Star Wars galaxy. Armor divisions don’t do so well in swamps or in cities.

[@DamsilinDistress]

I wouldn't let my penal unit anywhere near Mimban. It's too swampy, I like to keep mine dry.

[@GenerationTech]

So how do you feel about sand?

[@KyloStimpy]

i wonder how many takes there were of this video where Alan burst out giggling trying to just say penal unit

[@hagan2096]

As someone who lives in a swamp, mud is simply a condition of dirt. Swamps is a biome of wetland.

[@Gravity_studioss]

This reminds me of the soviet military in the 70s, where undesirable officers would be forced into retirement if they were old, or shoved away into some remote middle-eastern deadzone if they were young in order to get rid of them. Also similar to the Austro-Hungarian empire using the Front as a punishment for misbehaving reserve units because they knew that it will end badly for them

[@tompearce5418]

In Solo, Han comments out loud that the Empire is actually invading someone's planet, not restoring peace and justice to the galaxy. Immediately labelled as a trouble-maker.

[@rednad6372]

The Mimbanese liked to hide in the mud and then strike unsuspecting soldiers so maybe they dug trenches to defend themselves from that tactic when resting because they couldn't use that tactic effectively.

[@theodorekaczynski8147]

9:07 Dirlewanger had tanks and armored cars, at least during the Warsaw Uprising

[@FireFlyMaxx]

Who knew? Making prison for profit would would be a problem.... 😮

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

I find this so eye-rolling. "Imprisonment for profit" is just an outright false claim that ignores so much of the real problems that are going on. The prison system is so big in America primarily because America is so big, with a huge population to match. Do people seriously keep forgetting that we're a country the size of Europe with a population that's the third-biggest on the entire planet? And that's not even factoring in how diverse our societal makeup is. Put all that into context, and then it makes a lot more sense. It's actually kind of scary how little people think on this despite basic information being readily available.

[@KyloStimpy]

the warden at Shawshank learned that... eventually

[@neimenovani7256]

9:05, yes, i would call it wagnar

[@joeallen9104]

Seems odd that an Empire spanning most of the known galaxy with a population in the Trillions at the least would suffer from manpower shortages when they have thousands of inhabited worlds to recruit/conscript from.

[@akotarakz]

Actually it doesn't seem so odd when you think about it proportionally. Yes, trillions of beings can be used as a recruiting pool, but at the same time you have to maintain garrisons to keep those trillions of beings in line. Unlike WW2 (because many people use this parallel when talking about the Empire), preventing partisan activity in the Star Wars universe is extremely hard thanks to hyperspace communications and travel. You would practically need troops in every city on every planet from each sector, because the regime is oppressive and both core worlds and ex-separatist worlds can form rebellions. So in the end how many troops would the Empire have to spare for rapidly taking new territories ? My guess is - not so much. This is why campaigns on strange planets (Mimban, terrible weather, almost no satellite image on enemy positions to call orbital strikes) take long.

[@joeallen9104]

@@akotarakz ok that actually makes sense.

[@bruenor316]

That awkward moment you recognize your workplace in a GT video 😂

[@dirtyjerde13]

The difference between mud wasteland and swamp is the environment. Beautiful plants and animals thrive and some only exist in swamps. A muddy wasteland of mining fields is a disaster in comparison

[@mediocremouse405]

I hope he realizes trench warfare is still part of military strategy today

[@ThePigeon5734]

I think it makes sense to some degree. We know there were proper stormtroopers at Mimban for a start, and obviously the resources were key to the Imperial machine, but surely even the empire would pull out after taking the kind of losses they took at Mimban? I suspect there was a genuine attempt to take Mimban, but the worst of the worst, those who wouldn't hold up well under intensive labour conditions like Narkina 5, were sent to Mimban in what is effectively a role as a distraction and ultimately execution, serving the empire as cannon fodder while achieving the same goal.

[@smartass0124]

Solo final sew planet with swamp mountains and Beaches

[@amyneith]

Your theory makes sense

[@soul1d]

Swamps are wetlands with trees or woody foliage etc, they cut down the trees leaving just mud

[@cassandrakarpinski9416]

Mudhole! Slimy! My home this is

[@pirobot668beta]

From the real-world: "McNamara's Morons." A project that ran through the last years of the Vietnam war. Soldiers with sub-90 IQ's were being sent directly into combat zones with little to no training beyond Basic Training. "Here is your new rifle [sight it in later] and ammo...go stand with those other guys and shoot the same direction they are. If you run out of ammo, raise your hand and someone will bring you more." Many were sent into 'meat-grinder' situations where the Commanders knew they would die. That was the point, of course, killing off 'inferior soldiers'. The draft was in full swing, but there were so many loop-holes available that the only ones being chosen were 'too dumb to take deferments'. Many of these Soldiers couldn't read or write at adult levels and needed help signing up. I enlisted in 1976 and met a few examples of such soldiers.

[@AceSpadeThePikachu]

To me it seemed more like an in-between. The Empire definitely didn't want to send their best to a muddy meat-grinder, but if they really just wanted a whole bunch of people dead they'd execute them en-mass. So I think Mimban was basically the place where they sent troops who were considered "less valuable." If they survived, cool, if not, meh.

[@theodorekaczynski8147]

One thing I’ve heard from some Russians online is that Wagner would use prisoners who committed the worst crimes as bait to draw out snipers. I guess they can die for their country instead of getting shivved for their crimes. Don’t know if the Russian government’s version of Wagner, Storm Z, does this or not

[@andrewmartin2567]

I don’t think it was official, but the longer the campaign went on. It just became a convenient place to put people who didn’t fit in.

[@kelvingriffiths6017]

Whilst I definitely agree the Empire did remove undesirables, I'm not sure I think this campaign wouldn't be how. They wouldn't have to do it this way anyway. That being said, they most definitely were throwing lives away on campaigns like this.

[@depreseo]

Based on the resources available on the planet, and the ecological impact that resource extraction had on minban during the clone wars I wouldn't be surprised if this "imperial campaign" was a completely new one, following the local forces of the local inhabitants coordinating an overthrow of the imperial forces when their forces were thin (af-ter-all the docile populous isn't going to fight back). Mimban forces took control of imperial industrial areas and defences on the planet including shields. During the wait for a response mimban forces probably built a series of bunkers (or cleaned out old clone wars ones) for additional defences. The empire probably started retaliations with orbital bombardment, to bomb the courage out of them... And it failed (see a ton of historical examples of failed bombing campaigns designed to demoralise instead of strategically attack). With the major population centres and resource extraction centres (many of which would be one and the same due to it being much easier to recruite local manual labour) protected be shields, bunkers, or the resources themselves (with anti-air/space craft weaponry) the only solution would be a ground invasion. However, if the empire was smart... Which is usually a 50/50 situation, they would have deployed a special force units (elite storm trooper crops) in drop ships to take and hold the resource areas. Untill reinforcements could be deployed. After which, after taking back their industry they could throw the political bone into the Frey, declare Mimban a free world "jolly well done", while the empire kept control over the industry. Continued mining coupled with unofficial imperial embargoes in the indipendent world would soon see it's populous, tired, hungry, sick etc. Crawl back to the warm embrace of papa palpatine and soon the political forces of minban would capitulate, or go I to a civil war - with the empire backing one side over the other. Unfortunately, this seems to be the "stupid" side of the 50/50. The empire wanted to make an example of Mimban, so they sent the might of the imperial army there as well as several star destroyers. The problem with that is that all of a sudden, imperial forces have to take hold of heavily defended population areas and resources (defended by shields, thick blaster resistant bunkers, anti StarCraft weaponry, and locals who know the lay of the land). Once they've fought up the these shields they can pass through them, but in doing so loose their air support, so then it's a grueling street by street, structure by structure fight with only the mobile infantry that wasn't exploded by anti StarCraft weapons, mines, or trapped in sink holes (and let's face it, the swampy conditions of the world didn't help, with kit needing constant maintenance meaning that some of the empires most high tech equipment was rendered useless as more simple, easy to fix easy to clean equipment was needed). The campaig could have gone on for 1-2 years by the time of Solo, but either way the entrenched nature of the war (an insult to imperial efficiency and a resource drain itsekf) did became a way, unintentionally, for certain parts of the imperial millitary and navy to deal with individuals or units who were problematic - send them to mimban, then after another year or two they'll either be dead, discharged, or return a glorious hero if the empire who'll have nothing but prais for the officers who sent them there to attain their glory. Whatever the case I think mimban also shows one of the weekensses the empire was starting to encounter as it grew in size - planetary conquest of worlds which weren't previously members of the republic, worlds subdued at the end of the clone wars, or "colony worlds" with only a small handful of population centres which could "easily" be captured was difficult. The forces and resources needed to take back a planet with billions was immense, and considering that mimban was just a side campaign for the empire which had its fingers in too many pies and plans the empire was starting to strain.

[@charlesjermyn5001]

Well in the French African batallions (penal units), the soldiers used to be dress in white...to attrack ennemy fire. In the Soviet penal batallions, the men were use as human demining devise (advice the movie Dear Elsa, very good movie about such unit). That's where I think Gen Tech is wrong: on Mimban, it wasn't infantery supported by armore...but armors followed by infantry (very deadly job), so yeah we might think that it was a "trash" for undesirable, or at least, very disposable elements.

[@sundragon7703]

"Trouble-makers" can be useful because "trouble-makers" are by nature willing to take greater risks and probably endure greater hardship. "Being a problem" means "bucking the status quo" which translates to behaviors of self-reliance and quick situational adaptation because the status quo will not come to a "trouble-makers" aid. Strategically sprinkled among the numerous platoons, a lone trouble-maker is possibly more useful than a collective of them because at its heart..."trouble-makers" have excellent survivor skill and possibly make good low level leaders. If these individuals die, it is still a problem solved...a win-win.

[@GothJuice]

What is the song that plays around 12:00? Sounds so familiar

[@prongs1245]

So this would be the Empire’s Istvaan 3? Sounds about right.

[@Devillin]

Sounds like the ten year "Battle of Repleetah" from the Wing Commander universe.

[@Emanon...]

"Penitentiary" From being penitent, able to be rehabilitated. Boy, did the US prison system sure turn that meaning around...

[@hagan2096]

I always viewed the campaign as a general trying to make a big deal out of something small, so as to make a name for their self.

[@brodieborgedalen6514]

It most likely comes down to, you have a tone of well trained men, and a few lame duck in the mix, send the well trained to more stable sectors so you can keep them, send the lame ducks to high casualty areas, if they die no great loss, if the make it now you turned a duck into an eagle

[@jesseamero5322]

The campaign on minbaum was designed to keep exutive power over the Senate, Wich was still a problem for Palpatine. He would wipe away the Senate later(episode 4)

[@motherteresa8418]

How come solo's Storm trooper uniform covered his face

[@Juggtacula]

Swamps aren't much better than mud, but there are a ton of plants and animals that can survive and thrive in a swamp, and those can all be used for food, produce, medicine, etc... Mud is just mud.

[@TheSarcMark]

Remind me plz what show these scenes are from. I've never seen them.

[@shotgunrain1994]

What are trench warfare scenes from?

[@dreadwing01]

Well now I am going to watch the Solo movie again.

[@tickticktickBOOOOM]

Letting an insurgency or small scale conflict linger on to let your green troops see the elephant isn't the worst idea. On the other hand, shoving your troops into a meatgrinder can easily make them reconsider who they should be shooting at. As I recall, over fifty French divisions mutinied by the end of WWI. I can't blame them; their generals made Grant look like a humanitarian. At least he was effective. And the Soviets were so bad entire armies of their own people joined the Wehrmacht to fight them.

[@lordvader5756]

I think it was like sending a general to the Eastern front of WWII as a demotion.

[@warcraftdude13]

YOUR EMPEROR NEEDS YOU! Is this 40k or Star Wars ?

[@kevinmcmillin870]

Maybe it was strategically intended to remain in a stalemate. The empire probably used this war as a type of “live fire practical training/testing environment” officers can learn new strategies, the empire can test new equipment, and battle hardened warriors can be forged through war. I believe that the U.S. military did this with Afghanistan and Iraq . It was a pointless war in my opinion but our military learned A LOT, and new tactics were developed and military leaders were tried and tested in real life combat.

[@smartass0124]

The clone war was to exhaust the people from fighting

[@eddierudolph8702]

The Germans in WWII did that with the Eastern Front, my grandfather who was a American soldier who was captured in North Africa, said that a carton of cigarettes could get a guard send to the eastenn front.

[@nightlord1210]

Reminds me a bit of the sven hassell books

[@donaldrussell9406]

Don't be strolling in the bayou after dark now

[@jimboshere6359]

Is there a possibility that the empire on did this to give some of their soldiers more combat experience? Any thoughts? Its a very small possibility and it doesnt sound like a thing most Imperial leadership would actual come up with, but idk its not impossible. The naval doctrine was favored more but it doesnt hurt to consider, though there are better ways maybe.

[@theromanorder]

PLEASE DO MORE TACTICS

[@rickjames5998]

9:23 Uh... why is there Terminator in my Star Wars?

[@Tigerpanzer6666]

hmmm bugs 8:59

[@imjustsam1745]

Swamps are sunken forests, that's how you know it's a swamp. 🌳 🌲 🌴 🌳 🌲 🌴 🌳 🌲 🌴 🌳 🌲 🌴 in the water.

[@Tigerpanzer6666]

not for some countries 7:18

[@nickvinsable3798]

I honestly don’t believe that the Empire was simply throwing away lives on Mimban, as you have specifically described. Key word here is ‘undesirable’; what is considered ‘desirable’ to Palpatine? Because I honestly don’t believe that Palpatine simply threw prisoners/criminals into penal battalions, but instead fanatic loyalists who’ll make the Empire look bad (insert clip of officer being blown up) & very smart individuals who’ll care about the people more than the Galactic Empire. Just because they have an armored division doesn’t mean they have mixed sub groups, such as multiple three to maybe five person penal squads & similar sized, maybe larger, loyal fanatics or smart & caring groups, maybe mixed to deliberately prevent effective teamwork, lead by an extremely stupid & overly fanatic officer (insert clip of the same officer blowing up). Now, I wouldn’t suggest this unless I have a similar thought process of weeding out individuals who’re a threat to the bigger picture. The key difference is that I would weed out individuals who’re a threat to public safety, who’re refusing to learn from their own mistakes, thus in order to save lives, I’ll snuff out the more dangerous individual, regardless if its intentional or not…