Generic Chinese cornets... Are they any good? Reviewing a "Mirage" cornet

As a lot of people ask me about generic Chinese-made cornets I thought I would review this "Mirage" cornet I was sent.
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[@romansans1]

I am slightly intimidated by the 6-Valve Trumpet looming on the wall in the background.

[@froukjefaber8229]

Same-

[@joegould7459]

I bought a Wessex tuba, and it is very good and I have had it for a couple of years plays as good as new

[@seansutherland6270]

I was thinking of buying a tuba and bass trombone from them

[@chrisdrybread8142]

Joey Tuba I bought Wessex cornet and I love it , a couple things I might take it to the shop to get checked but on all it’s a nice well made cornet!

[@joegould7459]

Chris Drybread yeah I had the same deal right when I got it I had a minor problem but it was fine

[@riffraffradicalmarchingban4829]

What model tuba? I got an Elf, (student Eb) bottom first valve screw is crap, need a tool to unscrew, there was also a weird dent in the crook of first slide, otherwise it’s great for the price, love it.

[@brasschick4214]

I bought a Wessex Dolce Eupho about 2 years ago. I’m really happy with it. I have bought a 3v Bari and will be picking it up soon. The great thing about Wessex is that they also personally quality control all their instruments before leaving the factory.

[@willemoosterom2438]

Hi Trent, this was 2017, you are not here anymore on the internet....and we have missed you. I have a simple Chinese cornet, but it sounds really great with a big V shaped mouthpiece. Round, full, deep and very powerfull. Anyway when you have time and interest again please come back to show your things and tell us your stories about brassplaying

[@TT-pm4sh]

When can we expect to see a video review and demonstrative comparison of a range of Alphorns? Surely by now many people, imcluding yourself, are questioning if it is really an instrument collection or viable youtube channel without featuring at least several Alphorns. Keep up the good work!

[@stevehawley5618]

The process of making instruments this way is called "stenciling". For example, Wurlitzer sold all manner of instruments, but many instruments in their catalog were made by other manufacturers. I have a straight C/Bb/A cornet which is labeled Wurlitzer, but is likely a Martin. Sometimes is was done for individual music stores too.

[@carlenger9707]

Reader's Digest Condensed Version: No, they're not.

[@NoahSpurrier]

This one really gets my cat excited.

[@pdqbachfan]

The second piece he played was Variation II from Abram’s Fantasie Brillante

[@darylynn621]

It is called it a Private Lable program. In many aftermarket parts suppliers.

[@nattance1]

I like its sound, as least its sound when you play it. Definitely sounds like a cornet should to my ears, anyhow

[@EnglishTMTB]

The practice of writing your own brand name on a generic instrument is generally referred to as "stencilling" (or they're "stencil" horns). There's a third kind of Chinese instrument - which are basically stencils, but with aftermarket QA and refinements done by the dealers (joint quality checked for internal blobs and other obstructions, valve alignment checked, etc) - Austin custom brass does this IIRC.

[@ewetho]

My ACB Doubler’s is as you describe and a lovely instrument to play

[@EnglishTMTB]

@@ewetho I'm sure it is - the Chinese are getting better and better at producing reasonable quality clones (often of Yamaha's)... Throw in a decent retailer and your chances of a decent horn for not much money are actually pretty good. It's not quite going to rival the pro's and it's definitely not going to rival the very best, but it'll be perfectly usable.

[@aycc-nbh7289]

@@EnglishTMTB But those retailers ought to have good luck getting away with it without lawsuits if they’re selling property that was produced based on intellectual theft.

[@a_literal_brick]

I have a Tristar cornet, and from my experience, cheap instruments always decline with time.

[@knowledgebase8841]

Great video Trent!

[@riffraffradicalmarchingban4829]

Don’t buy if fundamentals aren’t in tune you can’t play, so how can you learn?

[@NoahSpurrier]

This reminds me of Chinese OEM vs. ODM manufacturers for electronics.

[@coreygenovese]

Off the shelf Chinese trumpet? TRUMPET??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME TRENT?!?!?

[@ihaveanunderwhelminglysmal2858]

Hey, Trent, if you're able or if a fan would send one, the company that you mentioned, Wessex, makes a reproduction ophicleide, it would be cool to actually see one.

[@joegould7459]

ClunkyKeys ophicleides are pretty expensive like a couple thousand

[@carsoncomplains]

Joey Tuba There are euphoniums that cost well over $10,000 USD.

[@FreezingGamer1]

Yeah but nobody buys those xD

[@ihaveanunderwhelminglysmal2858]

FreezingGamer yeah, that's the point, there are no great reviews or barely if any reviews of an ophicleide, and it is a very interesting instrument, as it is keyed brass, and I believe Trent would do a great review.

[@FreezingGamer1]

I was talking about the $10,000 euphs.

[@timothystewart1818]

Trent. Where can I buy my own cornet and get a custom logo put on it?

[@DmanYTofficial]

Trent Own Brand Instruments. Next on the chanel

[@familyvideoclassics2663]

I go to your channel before I buy

[@Jbrassy1222]

What song was played at the end

[@Potter5416]

Can we appreciate Trent’s name his trombone “Snoff”? 😁

[@TheJetto200]

At the beginning I thought he was going to play the ballad of the blue devils 2015

[@primenaoeur3323]

If you ever get a Martin Committee trumpet, please review it! Great horn I hear! :D

[@Danishhenchman]

Trent's facial hair is longer than the hair on the side of his head.

[@NoahSpurrier]

Chinesium metal is usually zinc.

[@anthonyarcher990]

What about Valentino brand trumpets and cornets from China ? Are they good/ acceptable ?

[@EnglishTMTB]

Re: Tuning... Let me guess - the top space E is flat and the G on top of the staff is way sharp. (These are the the normal suspects on poorly refined designs, and it's usually the leadpipe to blame)

[@anglegrinder]

Lmao at first I thought you were playing the trumpet solo from blue devils “ink” 😂😂

[@feist4737]

Lol, Blue Devils' show was pretty good this year though

[@anglegrinder]

i mean they did win lmao

[@workaccount4704]

Good review.

[@tedtedsen269]

many yamahas are also chinese made it says on the box my came in made in china not a pro trumpet but good for students and advanced players the 6335g i have played on different xeno dident like them im planing to purchace a MONETTE second hand prana

[@jacobwoolley4705]

Hey Trent, great video. Was wondering were you got your contrabass trombone from. Only because I think it would be funny to have my own logo on one ahaha thanks

[@gaben4548]

Anyone knows anything about Julius Heinrich Zimmermann Lepzig rotory trumpet?

[@5naxalotl]

trent, i wish you'd at least reassure us that the intonation problem exists with the original chinese mouthpiece. i have at least one chinese mouthpiece that causes suspect intonation, and it's not inconceivable that say a non-standard backbore profile/depth has been paired with a non-standard trumpet geometry

[@rawlinsonboy]

My Uncle Joe's trumpet is the best I've ever had the pleasure of blowing

[@kc0jtl]

I was under the impression at least that the Wessex EP100 Euphonium was a rebranded Jinbao. Very much identical to Mack Brass, Schiller, etc. compensating Euphoniums. Is this correct or not? If what your saying is true I may take a second look at Wessex, they were slightly higher than a few of the others, such as Mack Brass, but if the quality is higher it may be worth it.

[@TrentHamilton]

Wessex instruments are made in China, but have better quality checking and often have their own modifications made to the designs.

[@kc0jtl]

Thanks for the quick response. I was also interested, which sites do you use to purchase these Chinesium horns directly from the manufacturer? I have been trying to find a Jinbao JBEP-1150S. I have looked around aliexpress, but haven't found a compensating model like the 1150. I am hoping to compare the prices with these other companies that retail it. It would be even nicer to have one custom engraved. If the price isn't substantial, I will probably go with Wessex.

[@glensheppard1056]

Hey Trent, im curious if you could help me with something. I have a trumpet where are the lacquer has been stripped and the slides are tarnishing fairly quickly do you have any advice?

[@leo_lcw]

Chinese made product gave me a very bad impression but do Chinese made instruments worth to buy and is it expensive?

[@seansutherland6270]

Bought my Antigua large bore trombone for 300$ and it works great for me but the mouthpiece was terrible

[@sprigatitolime2770]

Please do a video on a Wessex Dolce.

[@ivyssauro123]

Hi, I'm fascinated by brass instruments but I don't play none and am very unfamiliar with it's peculiarities (I'm a violinist lol), hope asking doesn't offend: What is the difference between a cornet and a Trumpet? it always bugs me.

[@andrewdavidson9171]

Band teacher here. The cornet has a conical bore meaning that the pipes taper the closer you get to the mouthpiece while the trumpet is more cylindrical meaning the pipes are not tapered. Or, at least that's how it was with older instruments. In reality, modern trumpets are just hybrids of the types of bores. In fact they are more cylindrical now days. This means that while older trumpets sound much brighter than old cornets, the different is mitigated in newer models. This means the only difference that changes the sound is the wrap of the two instruments (how the tubing is coiled). Cornets typically have 2 bends in the lead pipe while the trumpet has one. Cornets also sometimes have a bend in the bell area called a shepherd's crook. However, lots of american models dont have them. Hope that helps. I think Trent Hamilton has a video about that too

[@ivyssauro123]

@@andrewdavidson9171Thanks for the awnser! So it's much more complex than I thought huh? I thought it would either be the same thing but interchangable names depending on context (i.e. Fiddle vs Violin) or something completely different only someone completely unfamiliar with the craft would mistake one for the other (e.g. Violins vs Violas). Is it's role in a brass band any different? Does a cornet player normally also play Trumpet and vice versa? are fingerings different?

[@andrewdavidson9171]

@@ivyssauro123 brass bands normally only have cornet players if they're keeping with English tradition. Even in the states where I live, we only use cornets in brass band. However, most concert bands and big bands use only trumpet. If you can play one, you can play the other. I switched from cornet to trumpet when I was 12 but I play both nowadays with flugelhorn as well.

[@hartleymartin]

Cornets have a different developmental history to the trumpet. But for the sake of comparison, a cornet has a rounder less strident tone than a trumpet. This is partly due to the bore being more conical, the different wrap of the lead pipe affecting the air flow, but also the mouthpiece was more an internal V shape rather than the rounded C shape of a trumpet mouthpiece. Basically, different tone colours and different history of development.

[@ivyssauro123]

@@hartleymartin Thanks! Makes sense!

[@jacksonwilkes665]

What was that music you played at the very beginning of this video

[@pdqbachfan]

Schubert Serenade

[@mosburgerr]

please do a review on cheap and good 4 valve euphonium

[@ajlewis5446]

bloop bloop mack brass and wessex are two great brands, also, check your local craigslist and other classifieds for used bessons/wilsons, they can be found super cheap

[@euphgeek]

bloop bloop I second the recommendation of Mack Brass, having had direct experience with it. I bought a euphonium from them almost two years ago and a trombone a few months ago. I am very happy with both of them. And while I have not had any direct experience with Wessex Tubas, I have heard that they are just as good.

[@joseguadalupezavala1598]

cuánto te costó esa corneta?

[@dionnand0003]

Yes

[@lstockl5901]

What do people think of cheap Indian instruments, i have a Nasir Ali valve trombone that i got for fun. I think it is okay for its price. $150 U.S

[@TrentHamilton]

Check out my video on the World's Cheapest Trumpet.

[@Potter5416]

The fact that it’s a valve trombone looses it all hope of respect.

[@bloodymonkey]

My friend bought a mirage trombone. Mistake.

[@Potter5416]

Please elaborate

[@jacquesdeghorain3162]

Les Chinois fabriquent d'excellents instruments depuis des milliers d'années.........ET C'EST TOUJOURS PAREIL AUJOURD' HUI . Evidemment , il est bon de trouver des petits défauts pour montrer que nos cornets sont les meilleurs , mais nous n'y croyons plus du tout , à part les snobs qui ont plein d'argent à dépenser évidemment......bravo les Chinois , et merci de nous permettre aussi d'acheter un bon instrument pas trop cher pour nos bourses plates......La seule sonorité à laquelle je ne parviens pas à m'habituer , est celle de l'accent anglais : je suis trop habitué à celui de New York . Mille excuses , je plaisante , hahahaha !!!.....

[@JxT1957]

are the chinese made and india made the same quality?

[@TrentHamilton]

No, made is China is much better than made in India as far as instruments are concerned.

[@MoosiVibez]

Trent Hamilton I love u

[@angelmataaa]

Would you sell your compensating french horn?

[@TrentHamilton]

For the right price, probably.

[@angelmataaa]

Trent Hamilton what would be the right price?

[@stephenowens5091]

what is he playing at the beginning?

[@hdmuz8]

Schubert's Serenade

[@cyndie26]

You should be fine because having to pull out the main tuning slide is no big deal. My high school band director used to yell at trumpeters whose tuning slides were all the way in. (I know this is a cornet, but we both know that trumpets also have these.) The microphone you're using actually makes the harmonic series sound flat.

[@eddievelez4723]

What was the song at the beginning

[@eddievelez4723]

Xavier Smith Jesus Christ that made my day that much better XD

[@jacobcosper6899]

Serenade by Schubert

[@EvanBeachy]

wow its actually a little flat, its always sharp lol

[@connnnnnnor2096]

My friend has a cornet and it's literally always out of tune

[@54321blader]

Might not necessarily be the cornet...

[@christianhogue8799]

maybe it's a A Trumpet playing on B flat score.

[@owenohara623]

Calories count

[@Jack-dt7rw]

excessive vibrato is kind of annoying

[@tungsten8290]

+1 for Uncle Joe's Trumpets

[@WBf2002]

Get on with it. You keep going over the same point endlessly

[@krisalutius5177]

There hasn't been a single instrument you've played "good" or "bad" that you have played in tune or well and I'm getting tired of your very unmusical opinions. You're not a good musician and I'm skeptical of what you have to say.

[@Potter5416]

Feel free to not watch his videos.