GENESIS 3 - [A]rmada (Fox/Peach) vs C9.Mang0 (Fox) - SSBM - Grand Finals

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[@Vextos]

This is the kinda shit you can tell your grandchildren about.

[@venixilinehasfailed8001]

+Donald Trump 10/10 trump senpai

[@Diego-valdivia]

Armada is a boss for not letting the crowd get to him, THIS crowd.

[@ernestomartinez1655]

exactly my toughts, all the crowd and even the commentators were rooting for mango so hard it was incredible how he kept his composure

[@chris40v17]

Mango is still more skilled than Armada. Using all those chain grabs to take stocks from Mango is so cheap

[@ernestomartinez1655]

Mrniceguy 818 it isn't man. it's called counter pick, and it's all about skill and abuse the opponent's mistakes to make a great punish

[@chris40v17]

Spamming grabs like that is cheap man.. like what the heck can you do actual combos?

[@anonymousperson1706]

Mrniceguy 818 What's the point? If armada can win, then he can win. He's not playing for our entertainment, he's playing for money and recognition.

[@Doppelmetz]

Genesis grand finals, Armada vs. Mango, HMW and Phil commentating - have I gone back in time?

[@DareToShine]

Just reading the title of this video is amazing

[@stevefiliczkowski1125]

Love your vids!

[@DareToShine]

+Steve Filiczkowski Thanks man !

[@johngotts7282]

+DareToShine yeah came here from your "Mango losers top 8 recap" thing, Loved it!

[@MechaGV]

we knew it was gonna happen

[@nicholasstevenson817]

All in the script...

[@Viperldlh]

I love how Johnny don't give a fuck 13:16

[@BrickNGames]

+Victor Castro I don't see him

[@GoscarVerlaat]

+BrickNGames Middle front row.

[@BrickNGames]

that's johnny? i was sitting next to him and he was not there.

[@KurohFag]

+BrickNGames how could you be sitting next to him if he wasnt there

[@BrickNGames]

Kupo because he was not sitting that close to it and was next to Gahtzu in the seats SUPER HIGH UP!! with their gfs i think

[@jamiecal11]

"Mango's definitely Rocky, Armada is Drago" -- isn't Armada the one who has to fight in a foreign land against the crowd too?

[@juanoshigeru]

'muricans

[@yeahbaby2123]

And the one that wins, btw.

[@akerguido9399]

Armada is Rocky, fuck it.

[@jrave5353]

Also Mango as Apollo Creed makes too much sense. He’s Mr. America, crowd favorite, doesn’t take the first encounter against an unknown seriously but still barely wins, then goes try hard for the rematch but loses. Just. Like. Apollo.

[@mrm64]

Both. Mango is from North America like Rocky. Armada is from Europe like Drago. Armada is the foreign underdog like Rocky. Mango is the crowd favorite from the hometown, like Drago.

[@jjilatt123]

This whole tourney was electric. Really great, best Melee tourney in years.

[@TDansVids]

13:15 The crowd when mango wins 16:51 The crowd when Armada wins lmao

[@TheRealEpicWampa]

Tyler Daniels to be fair, the first one was after a set was completed and the second one was after just a game in a set. Crowd still wouldn’t have popped off like that either way though

[@valduuzz]

All i see is S2J lol

[@jpp4566]

Dead 😭

[@jaytay4027]

I miss aramada being the final boss in tourneys. Man

[@kirjian]

Back in the days of the 5 gods, I remember people used to say we needed a player with Mango's reads and creativity, Armada's consistency and punish game, Hungrybox's spacing and mastery of his own character, Mew2king's edge game and ability to 0 to death off of one mistake and PP's pressure and mental game, and I think we have a player like that now. His name is Armada.

[@KyChupLoL]

+kirjian This legitimately made me laugh out loud

[@TheOrang64]

+kirjian not to suck dick or anything, but armada isn't as creative as mango. Not too knock armada or anything, but most of his punishes are very flow chart which is similar to leffen.

[@juliuscaesar9756]

+TheOrang64 you can only be so creative as peach if you want to win lol. many of her moves are bad.

[@TheOrang64]

Julius Caesar I had his fox in mind when I posted my comment, but I do agree with you in regards to his peach.

[@CaptainKnee]

+kirjian the dickridding is over real, just for Armada's followers.

[@SixJayy]

16:22 'Mango never misses this ledge dash!! atta atta atta' fucking died lmao This set tho. Wow wow wow incredible. The gameplay, the venue, the hype, the historic value... Might be the best match ever

[@BocchiTheBagel]

This set is legendary.

[@JurgaBurgaFlintines]

Genesis 3 will always hold a special place in my heart. Nothing beats the magic of Genesis.

[@kupodrinksmilk]

The GOAT: G1, P4, EVO'13, MLG'14, EVO'14, TBH4 The BOAT: G2, Apex'12, Apex'13, EVO'15, TBH5, G3 6 Premier Majors a piece. 2-2 in GFs. 3-3 in Genesis sets. What. The. Fuck. You can't make this up.

[@NinteddyRose]

+kupodrinksmilk No armada definitely the goat. He is much more consistent than mango. Plus he has a huge winning record against him. And he has never dropped a set to ANYONE outside of top 6. Mango is far too inconsistent to be considered better than armada. Armada is definitely the GOAT. God only mango could lose and still have people saying he is better.

[@brovvntown]

+Teddy Rose I don't think it's such a linear way of thinking. It's basically when Mang0 is playing his best there is no one in the world that can beat him. So..... "There's levels to this shit"

[@NinteddyRose]

brovvntown He was playing his best here and everyone agrees with that. Even him and armada still beat him.

[@CXuOtaku]

+brovvntown That usually just means that whenever he loses people just say "he weren't playing his best". Mango is probably the only player that when he loses has the most people saying he wasn't playing his best, while if Mango does beat the other player it's "mango at his best can't be beaten". It's just as valid to say the other player didn't play their best. Was he playing at his best at Genesis 3? If he was, then he just got beaten by Armada, so your statement is false, and if he weren't, then when is he playing his best? The next time he beats Armada and wins a tournament? Also keep in mind that while Armada is really consistent, that does not mean that if/when mango does beat him (or anyone else for that matter) that they HAVE to be at their peak, so it becomes "proof that mango peak > their peak". For example, Armada flubbed and SD'd in this grand final. Everyone likes to talk about how if mango didn't SD in the 2nd game of the 2nd set, he might've taken the tournament, but at the same token, if Armada didn't flub, he could've won without a bracket reset. Yes, mango is a great player, but I seriously don't get this "at his best he can't be beaten" mentality. Not for him, not for leffen or any other of the gods. It just seems incredibly silly.

[@brovvntown]

Y'all both have good points. Its true I'm fan boying, but I'm also just trying to make the point that consistency isn't the only way of proclaiming who is the GOAT. Mang0 is the GOAT because it is self-proclaimed rofl, "you cant do it like me". The highest level of melee I've seen is when Mang0 is peaking, but that's kind of just my opinion. Also I love armada, they are the 2 supreme beings of melee imo.

[@roshipower]

Armada is just so amazing. Watching him play inspires me so much

[@therealtrebor]

Game 2 gold2 in 2024 I stomp both of them

[@BalmMartian]

I wish I could've been there. What a great set, crowd sounded amazing, all in all seemed like a tourney you just had to be there to experience.

[@bonzokop1233]

30:37 the 3 greatest players of all time

[@tyo9115]

FOX DITTO MASTER

[@tooglianprimus15]

Genesis 4. January 2017. The hype is real

[@MarioBoss_]

Tooglian Primus this week. lets gooo

[@tooglianprimus15]

MarioBoss - Vainglory, Pokémon. YES DUDE! So quick Q. Is twitch the best way to watch it live? Or is there another way?

[@thepatriot5000]

p l o t a r m o r

[@JordanNexhip]

.

[@tooglianprimus15]

thepatriot5000 dude it actually happened. I was so happy to see Genesis 4 live. Did u see the Mango Leffen set?

[@stayontrack]

I'm so happy seeing the peach

[@Peanutz996]

Just like grand finals at genesis 1 at the time, the most hype set in the history of the game.

[@XLNC_YL]

I know it's only January... But this has to be Set of The Year

[@chis5050]

+Anthony B since it's only january, it's most certainly the set of the year!

[@kakamaru5]

Idk, the Evo Grand FInals between Hbox and Armada is a top contender as well.

[@XLNC_YL]

WalkUpSlowlyDownSmash Puff? Really? Nah dude. Fox Dittos are the hypest thing out there.

[@kakamaru5]

Anthony B except this was a Fox ditto for two games and then it was Fox Peach. I understand that this was literally the match everyone had been waiting for since the second Genesis and it was definitely hype and still just might be one of the best sets EVER, but the Evo Grands set this year was absolutely insane. I don't think there's ever been as many moments where the winner of the set could have literally been either player ever.

[@voxelfusion9894]

The Evo Grand Finals were definitely incredible, especially live, however, each player's approach was rather unbairable to watch. Kappa.

[@Kisarez]

That Fox play by Mango. Holy crap. Incredibly exciting to look at.

[@manLiMarth]

First match was maybe the best I've seen Mango's Fox play. That says... a lot. Great set.

[@jelaniboyd4064]

SSBM is the greatest game of all time

[@Greatermaxim]

Magnus. Chess. Hold my beer.

[@kamicloudss]

This tournament was so sick you can even see Ken in the crowd. Legendary

[@GayTier1Operator]

can’t believe this was 8 years ago

[@ShiivGaming]

And on that day, the kid returned

[@liftedbyyahweh]

Mang0 went HAMburgers.... maybe a little too hamburgers

[@pikminpuck8015]

That triple stitch needed more hype. That shit was amazing.

[@benr7713]

Thanks for the quick uploads Spenser!

[@DALL-E721]

Legendary Match.

[@Morogris]

Great matches! After Mang0 was sent to loser's bracket, something inside him fired up and pushed him to greatness. I had not seen him play like that in years. Luck was also slightly in his favor too, but Mang0 was pushing the pace in every single match and was looking for the win at all costs, so in a way he crafted it. He played beautifully against Armada in the first set, but I think that playing at such a high-level so long and consistently took a toll on him. At the same time, it is incredible how consistent Armanda was throughout the whole tournament. He beat everyone he faced convincingly and managed to overcome his loss against a legendary Mang0 and stop his crazy winning streak. His mental toughness is unparalleled. He is great at adapting to the situation, and I think that's what gave him the edge at the end. I think that anybody else would have probably fallen prey to Mang0. 2016 will be a great year for Melee. I can't wait to see more. Congrats to both!

[@-malachikai]

So Hype being in the venue to be honest it was amazing

[@rot1010]

Im so glad I managed to watch this live

[@KPpivot]

One of the best sets I've ever seen.

[@davidboulder2993]

I can't help but LOL at MACD in the crowd at 30:08

[@KingDuken]

It was unfortunate that Mango lost. He was really kicking ass in the tournament.

[@conanbdetective]

I wish I was there in the venue. Stream was crazy but to see Mang0 play the way he played in person would've been something special especially with the hype in the building. He wanted Genesis 3. He was no buster this time. Side note: Samox was a cameraman.

[@HammarHeart]

this is, as of january 2016, hands down, the single greatest set of melee ever played

[@KPpivot]

just don't feel defeated Mango. hold that feeling you had when you played control that and bring it to everything you do, the people want to see that the people want to believe in that mango to bring it home

[@nexxusty]

Both such class acts. Respect them both.

[@kingj521]

one of the best sets i have seen

[@Leonsmb]

I love how Ken is just chillin in the first row

[@nowonprzn7442]

8 years ago is insane really feels just like yesterday.

[@mrm64]

I just love seeing Ken Hoang just sit in the front, RIGHT in the middle...with his legs crossed. Like "Yes, my 'gods', fight! Fight for your king!"

[@bonzokop1233]

lmaooo

[@brendanlee9515]

My favorite commentators return!!

[@ThePianoSpeaks]

Does anyone know when it's a good option to use bair vs dair when edgeguarding spacies' Up B? Peach seems to be more prone to get burned by the firefox/bird when using dair as compared to bair, in my experience.

[@sobman]

23:42 some dude suplex's a guy

[@Mariobrosteen64]

LOL

[@liamfoote7164]

Mang0 truly is the fox ditto master.

[@sjawarrior]

This was a great tournament, and this set was really the only right way to end it.

[@luanibaal8007]

Greatest set of all time

[@josephwoods354]

crazy how much mang0 has improved since. melee is so sick

[@joshhorton6447]

That loss was so painful... Chain grabbes on FD to close out the best fox play mango might ever do.

[@Nordanix]

Armada vs Mango (Fox vs Peach) is my all-time favorite. Shout-outs to Mango keepin' it tight.

[@UltimaRedFireEskimo]

I had the feeling that I was watching history in the making when I saw this for the first time. This is Melee.

[@sayr8843]

aww mango and armadas double hug at the end

[@DaGavinX]

Of course, last set had to be the classic Armada's Peach vs Mango's Fox. Extremely close set, with these two it really comes down to who makes even the smallest mistake. Always epic sets with these two. I'm more of an Armada fan, so I was hoping he'd meditate and bring it back in the second set.

[@CaptainKnee]

I loved the third ditto matchup

[@castaturr645]

Adding my mark to history.

[@johnsother2440]

the start of something great.

[@spooke_e6679]

This is one of the sickest sets I've ever seen, but the Mang0 bias annoyed the hell out of me. I doubt that had Armada been down on FD, the commentators would've been chanting for him to 'Bring it back'. I understand the popularity of Mang0, I really do, I just wish it wasn't so prevalent amongst commentators. Gets real old knowing who you're 'supposed' to be rooting for

[@bradleyhoogerwerf9519]

It was very clearly a joke and a call-back to their commentary at Genesis 1, where that type of thing was much more common and acceptable back then.

[@irishjet2687]

Greatest Melee set of all time.

[@jordan1543]

I love just looking at S2J every time they pan to the crowd lol

[@garrettbok7499]

Although i appreciate shout casters sharing their knowledge about the game and the match ups but honestly id really just like to here them talk about the actual gameplay between the players more. Whole stocks went by while they are explaining the different stages of a fox duo

[@CheEsEToUcH666]

30:36 idk but seeing them together like summit with the 4 gods; it looks amazing

[@joelweber9900]

set 2 mango's sds break my heart

[@timothygamer2195]

this is art

[@sashicoolcrew]

is this the commentator from the legendary wombo combo video?

[@SalvLav]

HMW is yes

[@xredkirbyx]

Yeah, that's HomeMadeWaffles.

[@jacksonlawson3718]

+Sashi Kwa Yes.

[@yague123]

Stitchface happened in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. It's so crazy it happened here again. Genesis 3 was magical.

[@mincrafthoovy]

this is in top 10 sets of 2016 tbh

[@natewatson6962]

just gonna watch set 1 and pretend mango was in winners

[@birilman]

that sd from mango in second set second game was so heartbreaking, just like hbox's

[@ShayWestrip]

best tournament of all time, if mango won it not only would have been the best tourne, but one of the most monumental moments in human history. ever and forever ever. holy fuuck

[@Zaiqahal]

Hard to find Grand Finals without any of the Gods of Smash in them.

[@JesseDumontt]

Sad to see Mango lose when he's playing so good. That SD and those chain grabs though. It's in Melee though, gotta do what you gotta do to win I suppose. At least Mango doesn't actually hate losing to Armada. Probably the person he hates the least to lose to. Armada is definitely the better player at the moment. Mango is still the GOAT. Amazing set.

[@MrMichaelsux]

+Jesse lol GOAT means Greatest Of All Time

[@JesseDumontt]

Toaster the III I know it does...

[@venlargig6169]

At the moment? No, Armada is the better player overall, argue if u want, the results show the truth

[@mr.b9613]

+Jesse you say all that as if chain grabs are bs

[@shmurdy]

28:13 HOLY FUCK LEFFEN SNUCK INTO THE US TO BE THE FUCKING GENESIS CAMERA MAN!!!

[@AxiomApe]

*0:40* *The crowd genuinely gasped exactly like the crowd does in-game.*

[@Flarf18]

Did that dude in the right of the crowd bodyslam someone? 23:43

[@Jeff.S.]

OH MY GOD I see it now holy shit

[@Xivinux]

Good commentary great match

[@KoeingseggCCM]

Always meant to be, just like The Rock... & Stone Cold Steve Austin. Was rooting for my boy Mango, but I love Armada too, so I was very happy to see either one win!

[@stayontrack]

this was the peak of melee, the true golden age

[@tropik5724]

true

[@funjukebox1324]

Damn!!!! 2nd game of the second set....Mango had it...he had it...

[@ocircles738]

There's like a couple of small breaks, but notice mango's intense gum chewing that's 30 fucking minutes of intense chewing man

[@krazyzyko]

I found some nice beats thanks to HMW and Phil's commentary.

[@joeybtheman1906]

hypeeee

[@beefstroganoff3297]

29:30 is that samox filming them for METAGAME?

[@MooseEatsBears]

That is.

[@funjukebox1324]

Mango put in mad work!!

[@spaghettiking7312]

Genesis 3 was the height of Melee.

[@sparkle1princess]

9:42 was sick

[@stefanrehkemper2451]

Could you guys post the interviews after the grand finals?

[@IcelandicBeast]

After Pound 2016, Mango is the fox ditto master.

[@GCLU]

Oh yes

[@TheVoiceOfChaos]

17:46 mango kills a shyguy

[@starfox300]

Fox ditto MASTER

[@avocadocommando5215]

6:11 It seems Andy Biersack is a fan of Melee (the guy with the baby face sign)

[@69Saragoth]

Phil and HMW are cool and all, but Scar and Toph are just infinitely better commentators. I know it's tradition for G3, but if smash wants to go far, Scar and Toph level needs to become the bare minimum, not maximum.

[@waffleKING44]

I couldn't agree more, only mango got representation in the commentary. I understand if you have a bias, but please don't show it in commentary, especially as flat out blatant as this commentary was

[@SOLAR_WillToWin]

+Factualx nah

[@waffleKING44]

+Choice Specs Elton John he probably would be, but not to this level at least scar knows how to keep it professional

[@durdleskattman4635]

28:07 leffen is a camera guy now!

[@BJtheBassist]

20:15 Camera 1: Hands on Heads 20:18 Camera 2: Hands over Face

[@randydiaz7164]

are you here after genesis 4 grand finals? :(

[@DarKessXX]

randy diaz Mango got bodied

[@gonzalez4123]

DarKessXX mango was lacking in that venue his play was weak compared to gen 3