Genesis 4 Smash 4 - C9 Ally (Mario) Vs. FOX MVG | MkLeo (Marth) SSB4 Grand Finals - Smash Wii U

[@HiFive99]

Coming back after the Genesis 9 win. Crazy seeing how Leo has just made Genesis his tournament.

[@hecty8667]

Mr genesis

[@lordofskin]

Everyone's like "Damn, Captain Zack with that Bayonetta taunt irl" and I'm like "ZeRo with that Diddy taunt irl"

[@aronarmstrong6940]

Unsang LMAO THE HAT

[@oscaranibalhernandez8590]

+Unsang timestamp?

[@lordofskin]

Oscar Anibal Hernandez 22:33 - 22:38

[@oscaranibalhernandez8590]

+Unsang Not the taunt I was looking for but thanks anyways xD

[@diegosmurillo]

Remember when everyone said Marth wasn't viable? This is really amazing

[@wmiller2533]

He wasn't viable before lmao, the patch 1.14 had really made Marth good again.

[@TheBoodercg]

Toon Link Miller I hope Roy hits a teir growth spurt.

[@TheUshUsh]

I use marth since day one, it used to be true but by the time he got buff 3times

[@sothisistheend]

Marth is broken honestly

[@TheUshUsh]

Not sure if he is broken but he doesnt have that really reallly bad match up and a good recovery, on a tier list i would put him equal with mario

[@Mad_T3]

"We might just get a Switch" Geez, calm down. You gotta wait until March 3rd to get one.

[@soudsamus]

Rosa Nintendo yooo Marc

[@aIkaIi]

And now smash is on the switch

[@Anon-bv8hz]

G4 top 3: MKLeo (Mexico), Ally (Canada), ZeRo (Chile). Smash Bros the only esport that isn't dominated by Koreans.

[@Lavi_BT12]

Oh, you didn't know?

[@Anon-bv8hz]

League of Legends, Overwatch, Starcraft. Don't follow SFV but I know a Korean guy won EVO, and last I heard they were starting to invade DOTA 2 now.

[@Anon-bv8hz]

Fighting games are the only esport that Koreans don't touch for some reason. Although I was mainly focused on the most popular esports. Going by ESPN's top 10 esports draft, the only games Korea doesn't have a presence in is Call of Duty and Smash Bros.

[@MrtheMuppetfan]

Leffen is half Korean.... Not sure if that acatly counts as he represents Sweden

[@Anon-bv8hz]

Never heard of Infiltration in my life, and I don't feel bad about it.

[@CaptainFalchion]

Leo is too good. I think Mario vs. Marth is a really tough matchup for Mario, he's just too stubby to contest the range of Marth's Falchion. Good shit to Ally too, but this kid Leo is on a tear right now

[@Cheesesteakfreak]

Yeah, I think Mr R could have beaten Leo's Marth easy though. -He didn't try to camp him out and it was still even or in Mr R's favor both games. -He dropped shield on dancing blade (Just hold shield for a second dude, free punish) I think Ally should have just walked forward in shield the whole time. 1 grab=80-100%. Then Usmash a Marth short hop or punish a roll. Ally doesn't abuse Marth's weaknesses as a character, and actually plays in a way that maximizes Marth's strengths. Same thing to Mr R. He isn't playing to abuse Marth's weaknesses either. Just my opinion :/ Why do they keep approaching Leo anyway? Mario and Leo could simply never approach, and they would probably do way better, since Marth's approach game is not too great.

[@CaptainFalchion]

I definitely think Leo is beatable, I mean the kid isn't invincible. To be fair, Marth is still new most opponents at this level, so most people are still adjusting to fighting him. Mr. R and Ally have some shaky moments. But no one plays perfectly.

[@martinluther123]

Yeah sure. If they didnt under-performed they would have surely won. However, it is also true that Leo under-performed as well, thats why thosets wre so close, otherwise Leo would have 3-0'd them with 2 stocks in every game. But that didnt happen, we have to stick to what happened, and the reality is that Leo won clean and it was fair and square.

[@martinluther123]

You are totally right. Nobody is invincible. And people still have a lot of work to do to adjust. But you forgot something. Have in mind that Leo will adjust as well, he is going to get MUCH better than this, this is not even close to his best performance, he is still getting confidence and learning to get out of difficult situations in competition. He is still fixing mistakes with his Marth, it is far from perfect and Im sure Leo will try to get Marth as close to perfection as possible. He also have multiple top level characters which makes him incredibly hard to beat. I think He will totally win more super majors and become as much of a god as ZeRo.

[@CaptainFalchion]

yeah he's young. He's got a lot ahead of him if he keeps playing. Bright future

[@albertvalentine2373]

The people wanted more results The people were doubting The people were hating The people were wrong The people have been silenced by MKLEO

[@DapuffStuff]

Albert Valentine Keitaro, is that you?

[@Mason-hd9jh]

Albert Valentine he's still wouldn't be consider best in the world lol

[@martinluther123]

Leo is currently the best. He took 2 super-majors in a row (and all of his other performances are also impressive). And 2 times in a row is NEVER a fluke. ZeRo can easily reclaim that tittle though, he just needs to win the next super-major and he will definetely take that away from Leo. Meanwhile, I will say that the champ is actually the best.

[@bayonetta9414]

Albert Valentine if Zach won people would have been hating on him and begging for bayo nerfs.

[@jeanbarker1065]

Bayonetta your name invalidates that statement

[@ShallBePurified]

Congratz MKLeo for winning Genesis 3.9!

[@fruitlion8]

Yami Brace yourself for a surge of FG Marths.

[@Jdawg0529]

Leo's neutral game has surpassed Zero's at this point. there's a new #1 kid in town.

[@DanyulYT]

It sucks because anyone on FG who was maining Marth before G4 is gonna get labelled as a bandwagon.

[@ShallBePurified]

MrMaganeese Do people really care what others on FG think of them? There's not even voice chat.

[@DanyulYT]

Yami I don't particularly care, but in my experience people on FG always get pissed and spam names when something doesn't go their way.

[@losknows7999]

Zero's new tier list for 1.1.6 is coming soon......Marth is changing opeenions

[@SwagMaster824]

Carlos Rodriguez it's not the character it's the player. Leo is just good.

[@losknows7999]

eros v a Good Player can Push a Good Character to its full Potential. Doesn't matter how good you are, I can't see Shulk winning a Major due to his frame data. Marth feels just like a top tier. MK Leo is really good and showing you what Marth can really do.

[@perryb.2732]

Carlos Rodriguez fingers crossed for spicy tech skills to make shulk viable

[@SIMIFU]

Don't forget duck hunt.

[@youssefdabul3644]

Mk leo is just 16!!!

[@DrKFC69]

ADeadlyChildpon 19 he is just 2 months younger than me

[@abari6793]

ColdfacekillerJr KonekoToujouFan00 no he's not

[@SchwickFAFO]

+Hello there What are you talking about?

[@Anon-bv8hz]

A top player (forget who) mistakingly said Leo was 18 when at the time he was 15 a couple months ago. That's probably where the misinformation is coming from.

[@rickennmakesgames]

or that he has 19 in his name

[@Gandalf_on_a_Skateboard]

Yo Captain Zack with that rl Bayonetta taunt

[@perryb.2732]

Cr4ck3rJ4ckCru3 2 sexy

[@oscaranibalhernandez8590]

Captain Zack is Smash Sakamoto Desu Ga.

[@ogot344]

Cr4ck3rJ4ckCru3 where?

[@Gandalf_on_a_Skateboard]

gitgud haters did you not watch the whole video?

[@gintuner4371]

nah that was just cringe, lol.

[@anibalgranados6437]

Who knew this would be Alien vs Predator ? I think they got the name wrong...

[@dkbroman]

LOL THIS IS THE MOST MESSED UP COMMENT I'VE SEEN ON A SMASH VIDEO

[@Sol_Calibre]

To think when he won against Mr. R all those years ago that this would be his biggest moment. So far.

[@aranbutcher1237]

SolCalibre I think you mean Mr R.

[@ActualAlienBoiiii]

Don't be that guy pls

[@Ernireg3]

SolCalibre mkleo will dominate evo2017

[@isuck6049]

So far...

[@toyotagaming]

MKLeo is probably 2nd best in the world right now but ZeRo is still the best though. Let's not forget that Leo got 5th at Genesis Saga last week.

[@isuck6049]

Lets not forget that he dominated ultimate for 4 years

[@KingOfStrapFanboy922]

19:43 WAIT? Mkleo has a girl?

[@absoluteheroygo]

And IF you check Hail Hydra videos you could see that she plays SSB4 too. I guess she plays Lucina

[@jurgenvlaar2754]

isn't that girl like 3 years older than him LMAO

[@aldogabrielaguilarbarranco4828]

Lol yes an she is regi sister another smash 4 player the Mr game and watch from Mexico

[@chris40v17]

She looks pretty hot too

[@blubbb9208]

Was cheering for Ally but amazing set regardless, congrats to Leo :D

[@ZeroSmoke.]

Damn, this is two years old already.

[@Goku-jk8qo]

You mean three

[@Gran_Ove]

Five years now, and Leo is number 1.

[@fdthqwerty]

What does Leo's tag "4komo" mean?

[@Ze33roX]

Because Leo is Homo 4 Komo

[@itscoolthough419]

+Adam Thompson wait what? against who? so he lost and they didn't let him play after that, even though the match had biased settings?I'm confused

[@xzgears929]

The TO is what screwed over Komo.

[@taylormillion7244]

Marth mains are the best! Been sticking with him even when he was probably the worst character in smash 4!

[@kush7138]

Taylor Million He never was worst in the beginning. Ppl just didn't know how to use him efficiently.

[@taylormillion7244]

Avery NiteStar Glover that's why I said probably

[@AdamSmasherReal]

Taylor Million he wasn't even close to the worst charactera

[@kush7138]

He was never worse in the first place. I don't even main him and I knew that.

[@SchwickFAFO]

I don't use him but I've always known.

[@artic562]

everyone is on that marth bandwagon on for glory

[@hylohunter]

6:00, how did Ally's dash attack connect? Feel like theres no way invincibility wore off yet

[@uqure1595]

with high percent the invincibility on ledge is shortened, plus mario dash attack lasts quite a while

[@outseteddy6306]

I thought MKleo was gonna use his Cloud but I'm very glad he ended this with his Marth!

[@bevansmith8335]

Echofox MVG?

[@CoRascal]

Ayy y'all, is there any reason we don't do this whole grand finals thing tennis-style as opposed to bracket reset? Like, you gotta take two in a row to win it?

[@KingOfStrapFanboy922]

I loved the custom music at the end during the award ceremony. Nice touch.

[@pinguijose]

why is the upper part of the video cutted out?

[@mikeymurd3r]

Much respect to Ally for his performance. Mario struggles hard vs. sword users. MK Leo always impresses.

[@salvucci91]

Does Leo feel like his Marth produces better results, or is this him breaking in a secondary?

[@NejiFireFlame]

Why is he doing this for komo? and what was the drama with the settings and stuff?

[@GirugaMarc]

I haven't watched competitive Sm4sh in a while. When did Marth get good?

[@bbourfesus3412]

Did Komo not show up when he was called at the end?

[@Jdawg0529]

I still remember when Keitaro laughed in leo's face when leo said he was top 5 in the world material. smh lol

[@ghalo1271]

Jdawg keitaro is a troll

[@MrKiddyIcarus]

If you're referring to the time at SF5, I'm pretty sure he was laughing out of surprise at how confident Leo was, not because he didn't agree with him.

[@Jdawg0529]

Nah, anyone could see he was mocking him clear as day. You could even tell that Leo was thinking that by the way he was looking at him.

[@Jdawg0529]

lol alright, you're gunna have to excuse me for remaining skeptical about it

[@demonpirate5453]

Seeing someone as old as I am winning a smash major is so uplifting and just fills me with hope

[@coolbrotherf127]

A Marth winning a SSB4 tournament? That's what I'm talking about. I'm glad that people are taking characters that are considered mid-tier and showing how good they can be and it's not just another Cloud or Rosalina player that won. Marth is considered a C tier, but MKLeo showed that he can get results when played well.

[@AJ-sl7be]

theacp127 Marth has been considered a top 15-20 Character For a While actually.

[@ActualAlienBoiiii]

Now i want a Ness, a Megaman or a Duck Hunt to win a major and tier list will finally be proven insignifiant

[@coolbrotherf127]

All of these characters would have to be played absolutely perfectly to win a big tournament because of their inherent weaknesses against the top tier match ups. It would come down to overwhelming skill on part of the player to use them since they have significant drawbacks to their viability. Any character could win, but the top characters are easier and more reliable for professional players to get results. Tier list are pointless at lower levels because basics like stage position and edge guarding are more important than frame data and advanced tech skill. What MKLeo did with Marth is awesome because he does suffer from not having great approach options and lower speed compared to other top tiers.

[@bladeOf3]

When has a Cloud or Rosalina won a major? Anti only used him as a counter-pick and Dabuz hasn't won a stacked tournament.

[@lucemonfalldownmode]

MKLeo also used Cloud to win the tournament, he used him before reaching Top 8, of course, Marth still has part of the credit.

[@fstcsvn]

MK Leo is ridiculously good, he has a great future ahead of him

[@Jaden_N.]

Well...

[@ChampiMax]

This man is from the future

[@fstcsvn]

@@ChampiMax why what happened

[@ChampiMax]

@@fstcsvn Mkleo is the best Player of Smash Ultimate, taking almost every tournament, but you may have noticed it already

[@fstcsvn]

@@ChampiMax dang. no i hadnt. i stopped following the competitve scene of smash like 4 years ago. I did hear he was winning everything on ultimate when it came out but that was the last thing i heard. good for him. thats awesome

[@99ABCA]

Felicidades MkLeo! Les has demostrado el potencial que tiene Marth. Muchas felicidades, muy buen espectáculo!

[@ciar886]

Being how young CZ and Mk Leo placed in such high ranks just goes to show how much potential their is out there in the Smash 4 community that have yet to be notice

[@xx_v_xx4373]

Are they gonna upload pools anytime soon?

[@martinluther123]

Highly doubt it. Pools are in 2gg's twitch.

[@xx_v_xx4373]

david jurado well that sucks

[@sai2931]

I was watching this live and so many people in the chat were going "MELEE MELEE MELEE" Also, what the heck was that music during the ceremony? It was so unfitting.

[@MrKiddyIcarus]

Yep, I saw it too. I almost wish mods were instructed/allowed to timeout the kids who spam that crap. It's just plain rude and, frankly, toxic behavior. It's like when you're at a concert and the band is playing one of your favorite tunes by them, and you're really digging it, but consistently there's that small crowd of people in the audience who won't shut up about demanding that they play their number one hit instead. Just like in that scenario, these Melee fanboys should be kicked out honestly, at least from engaging in the chat and ruining everyone else's fun.

[@DEADPOOL9AND]

Saif Haq The Melee twitch community is the worst. In another tournament they started whining about Guilty Gear taking too long, when Smash games always fuck up the schedule.

[@IcicleTFL]

Welcome to Twitch chat, friends.

[@DapuffStuff]

You know, Leo's Marth winning G4 reminds me of PPMD winning Apex 2014 and 2015. This kid is a god in the making

[@entitiessoul]

Dapuffdaddy 69 don't compare this shit to melee scrub.

[@ClassicalGuitarist19]

Being a melee player, don't represent the melee community like this. Everyone has their own game taste, don't trivialize them.

[@chukaokonkwo8642]

ClassicalGuitarist19 you my friend, is respectable

[@HOLLOWFENiX]

Joseph Stalin It's people like you that makes Melee, if not the ENTIRE Smash Bros. community toxic.

[@entitiessoul]

ClassicalGuitarist19 I doubt it you are. If so, then you do realize these tr4sh players say shit about Brawl right. They think they are higher and should even be associated with Melee and the players. Just because kids play this game more than adults doesn't mean this game is special nor better. Any person with Autism (bless their soul) could be good at this game no problem. Anymore without a full understanding of Smash could be a pro at this game, ANYONE. This shit doesn't take "hard work" to understand. Yet the fucks want to attack other games like brawl because they were shit at it or Smash 64 well not now because they fanboy Isai and he is popular. Tr4sh players= Fuckboys. You know, the ones that wear super skin tight shirts to look buff and hug the sleeves (all an illusion) don't be stupid neither. I'd except someone like yourself to understand.

[@brendanlucas1920]

I just wanna know what would've happened if Komo beat Zack and Zack didn't say anything about the launch rate. The rest of the bracket would've been tucked

[@marsred694]

im so glad to see marth win a tournament. ive played him since i got the game

[@chocobunneh]

I find it hilarious how Dabuz is the only one that got no noticeable applause.

[@fruitlion8]

I've said from the beginning Marth is top 5 material. In a game where defense and pressure are essential to doing well, Marth does both best, and Leo just keeps on proving this.

[@myideology7906]

How many viewers watched the finals?

[@lucemonfalldownmode]

¡Felicidades Leo, hiciste un excelente trabajo! (Congratulations Leo, you did an excellent job!)

[@NotOwainDark]

Mk Leo is hype af to watch, live how he incorporates perfect pivots with Marth fir spacing.

[@VoltismProductions]

i cant believe how slow this game was

[@johnvelez9260]

MKLeo congrats on winning G4! Enjoy the crowd being on your side for now, keep on winning and they'll turn on you.

[@loganreidy7055]

where's the wavedashes?

[@Mijdax]

why doesnt he ever use the counter of marth? is it bad?

[@milkywayflea404]

When read, meaning that your opponent sees it coming and intentionally doesn't attack, you can get punished pretty badly. And considering Leo's against Ally's Mario, which at the time was a severe punisher..

[@ivanlira6138]

Who's commentating? Keitaro and tk?

[@benmoskalensky390]

Tk and D1 (I think)

[@IWish2500]

Apparently there are two pronunciations of Leo. People say it L-EE-O or L-AY-O. I feel like there's going to be some sort of faction war about the pronunciation someday

[@MrGus323bh]

Brian Stewart lee-o is how its pronounced in english. lay-o is how its pronounced in spanish. im talking about the word itself. Leo.

[@martinluther123]

Its actually neither. translate . google . com /#es/es/Leo Hear that pronunciation, that is the correct way to say Leo in spanish

[@FlaskFlash]

Considering it's mexican, it's Leo. Leo, that is it. Not L-ee-o, or L-ay-o, or l-akdkfe-aekrja-adfkajdfk I dont know you guys are strange with this type of things x'D

[@colinies]

Great set, congrats leo! The prodigy lives up to the hype :)

[@superscrubbros.6944]

Love seeing a Marth win. Don't main him, but I respect the precision and grace of the character.

[@errikutarantino6019]

Unfortunately no bracket reset but this was still pretty hype, maybe more hype than G3 and 5

[@phil5037]

This was nice to see after watching M2k just barely lose to Armada.

[@danaltamirano2546]

Zack with the fabulous dance! Also,Leo is amazing.

[@mafuthewise]

This tournament might have had a different results if the hosts didn't screw up. Last time I ever support such bad management. #0.9

[@eugene7493]

When everyone thought Leo winning 2GGT was pure luck

[@bevansmith8335]

The era of ZeRo is over, Leo is a mile better than ZeRo now.

[@dreadfury2485]

Exaggeration much? Let's see if Leo wins 56 consecutive tournaments before we jump to conclusions.

[@toyotagaming]

Leo is not better than ZeRo. Leo still got 5th at Genesis Saga where ZeRo won it. Saying a mile better is stupid.

[@Anon-bv8hz]

A week ago Leo lost to Tyrant and Tweek. He's in the conversation, but he'll need to win a couple more big events to prove himself as the best.

[@bevansmith8335]

Dreadfury that's old news. ZeRo was a mile better than everyone during his prime, he's certainly not the best anymore. Every time I watch Leo I feel like he's going to win 0.0 I don't know how such a young player became so good

[@braintrope4736]

Bevan Smith He may not be dominating, but ZeRo is still the best. A couple of hype wins doesn't equate to the new best. ZeRo still won Genesis saga.

[@Conceptzer0]

19:20 who else tried wiping their screen during those shots? lol

[@metasprite5648]

why doesnt leo use meta knight anymore?

[@jevn11]

I remember when mkleo was first noticed and was known as that meta knight player from Mexico. Who would have thought we were witnessing a god in the making.

[@albertoherrera7467]

I remember when people were shittin on Leo and thought he was all hype.

[@doperuby4047]

So basically Leo caught on to ally's bad jump off ledge habit and made him pay dearly

[@cincoosaan]

It's official. He's a god. And Marth is a top tier disciple.

[@東山源次-y4g]

SPはzeroに続いてAllyまで大会でなくなったな 日本も開発で9B、 らない、 あーす、 たいへいたは引退 とトップクラスのプレイヤーが次々に大会出なくなったし なんか物足りないわ

[@zamoraarchive4224]

Where is Ranai?

[@SuperAaron360]

ZamBie He lost to Komorikiri 3-1

[@zcbsajsbxnsdjzcnaskxn8883]

He got 9th

[@zamoraarchive4224]

zCBSajsBXN sdjzcnaskxn ok thanks

[@nate716]

Why didn't he use counter with marth?

[@benmoskalensky390]

Counter is easy to punish if mis-timed.

[@anonymousotter6455]

Good start beating Ally. Good shit. A proud day for Marth Mains to remember.

[@adamjones7891]

I remember when I went to my first smash 4 tourney maiming marth and this guy who was ranked 2nd in my local pr asked me "why marth?" I thought that Marth just had the x-factor of early kills which are sometimes hard to come by, along with strong range while still having fast options and decent movement. Feels rly cool to see a marth having such good results. Also that's the most casual super major win I've ever seen. Then again the last match wasn't too close and he won from winners.

[@JX2209]

Whatthe heck witch the celebration of captain Zack

[@sanuria1]

Hyrule5Smash :D He did a real life Bayo taunt. Isn't it awesome!?

[@JX2209]

Thas is not awesome... is INCREDIBLE!!!! :D

[@sanuria1]

Hyrule5Smash :D Yesssss!! :D Incredible!

[@MichaelStallingsmadmike472]

He gives us Marth mains hope! MKLEO!!!!

[@DmodGmodLetsPlays]

Leo is THE Marth as M2K is the Marth of Melee.

[@nigel_decontie]

Anyone else noticing Mk Leo dabbing with Marth's grab at the end of matches?

[@IsaacG97]

Smash 4 is cool

[@prescottnovelli81]

Mango would've fully committed to the airdodge read at 7:56...

[@Nanadyne]

I think Ally should pick up a secondary character for situations like these, especially against spacing characters like Marth and Lucina because Mario really struggles at approaching them and Mario's only real spacing tool is fire ball and back air

[@heliosxq8644]

21:53 Ficerce

[@Harryx74]

From 2:04-2:20 That looked really good. Very aggressive gameplay, like watching brawl

[@2maka5u]

21:51 Zack is actually a diva

[@ArthurPacheco]

i thought captain zak was sponsered?? dmg?

[@zerin4244]

Everytime someone said echo fox mvg I kept expecting to hear m2k instead mkleo

[@JackFlySN]

Ledge jumps 3 times and gets punished ledge jumps again and dies Ally: *surprised pikachu*

[@Pokefan139]

Komorikiri didn't even show up .-.

[@MrKiddyIcarus]

He did, he just left immediately after receiving his medal, which really disappointed me to say the least; I considered him to be a nice guy up till this point. The thing is, I don't care how badly you lost or under what circumstances you were eliminated from a tourney, big or small - you don't act like a bad sport about it and, by extension, disrespect the other contenders. It's very rude, it's unfair, it's hypocritical, and it's pointless. He even went so far as to make a remark on his Twitter about how he had just "lost his passion for the game" as a result, which doesn't even really make sense to me - I mean, he's experienced worse losses than this one. But hey, if that's the attitude he chooses to have in regards to all of this, then I hope he quits; he has no business engaging in this community any longer at this point. I'd be sad to see him go, but at the same time I'd say that as long as he continues to act this way, he simply doesn't deserve to be a pro player.

[@Pokefan139]

Kid Icarus I didn't notice him, thanks for pointing it out. I also see your point. He may have overreacted a bit, but he did get cheesed pretty hard :/

[@Anon-bv8hz]

lol losing =/= feeling like you got cheated. Komo's been 3-0'd before and handled it like a champ. He has no problem losing. He has every problem with feeling like he got cheated. Any top player would react the same way in his position.

[@bonahldoh]

Kid Icarus, u don't understand anything, your commentary is so fucking toxic, u're not a really smash fan and part of the community, are you 15? maybe u main bayo, at least get some info of the situation before to do such a bad statements.

[@MrKiddyIcarus]

Pokefan 139 - Well first off, I wouldn't call Zack's play cheese - not even close; if you caught ConCon's stream of ZeRo vs Salem during the second day of the event, then you would've seen a perfect example of what Bayo cheese is there. Secondly, even if he was cheesing it doesn't excuse anything. Like it or not, cheese strats are a part of the game and there is nothing in the rules that says one can't utilize them. If someone has a problem with that then they should be displeased with the game, not the player. AstraMC - It's toxic of me to desire that someone who exhibits toxic behavior no longer compete? That's an oxymoron if I've ever seen one. Also, I wasn't arguing against _feeling_ bad about a tournament outcome - there's nothing wrong with that. That's natural. There *is* something wrong with expressing it in such a manner though. Nobody likes a sore loser. Dale L - He wasn't cheated though. The whole "0.9" affair was an unfortunate incident granted, but it provided neither him nor Zack an advantage over each other, _and_ he was extended an opportunity on top of that to run it back, the result of which was him getting defeated very convincingly. Ahldoh Mhontalvo - I'm not even going to address you. You offered nothing objective in that mess of a post you spewed out.

[@Majima_Nowhere]

It looks like marth's biggest problem is getting back on stage. I know next to nothing about playing him but it doesn't look like he has a lot of landing options outside of nair. On top of that Ally got a grab out of pretty much everything Leo did on the ledge.

[@stillakilla]

bro, can someone explain to me this G3.9 bullshit?

[@TrevorRS05]

Most amazing smash 4 game ive ever seen

[@miruki5568]

It's still a Smash 4 set.. slow..

[@TrevorRS05]

I’m a noob, so for me this this is fast.

[@MW_FSmash]

@@TrevorRS05 slow doesn't mean bad. Some of the mind games and neutral interactions you can have in this game are deeper than most games in the series.

[@TrevorRS05]

Dust, yeah very true. I’m still playing it and it’s great. It’s like mario bros mixed with rock, paper, scissors, shoot!

[@Leo98pm]

19:03 ally with the tournament winner

[@g_thespaceghost3047]

this is honestly amazing

[@Lavi_BT12]

I find it funny that both Cloud 9 players came in 2nd, but it would've been even better if it was M2K who won for a double EchoFox win over Cloud 9.

[@Anon-bv8hz]

Both C9 players also eliminated both TSM players.

[@roswell_A51]

I should have expected Leo to be so calm after such a big win lol

[@benjaminshields9421]

Why are there so many elitists here just to hate on 4? This shit is why we aren't taken seriously by a lot of the FGC.

[@whatshappeninganymore2473]

Benjamin Shields True.

[@czikkanhardt4750]

Okay... if no one else is gonna' mention it, I will: That music at the end, though.

[@profusion7148]

Mk leo won

[@Johnny-Badhair]

Miles Edgeworth But ally won???

[@ruizez5]

Actually Komorikiri won

[@rahulshankar4784]

Ruizes5 Nah Mad Dawg won.

[@isaacwoodman4289]

HugS won, learn your stuff ma dude

[@profusion7148]

I was incorrect. Mitchell Tang,best player in the world, won. Not mk leo

[@jfp521]

People need to give things more time before they start giving the title of "gods" to smash 4 players. Leo is very good, not taking anything away from him. However just because he’s won the last 3 majors or so doesn't deserve him the title of smash god, mango and m2k dominated for years and it wasn’t until years later when they CONSISTEITLY won events year after year after year that the nomenclature of the 5 gods was given to them, if Leo continues to win majors in 2017 and then into 2018, then we'll talk. Until then he's just a top player

[@M1ster_S1R]

marth combos - attack in the direction of your target. Fast and little end lag. There you go.

[@darymetal]

Even before leo ever went to US, i called it....Leo top 5 in the world suckers, take that

[@TheHighPhilosopher]

I don't really watch Sm4sh, only melee. But I gotta say Coney is a HYPE frontman.