GENESIS REUNION 2014: THE FIVE. STEVE HACKETT LEAVES GENESIS & PETER GABRIEL RETURNS FOR ONE SHOW !

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On March 17th 2014, former and current GENESIS band members met for a filmed discussion about their story.
These are the FULL UNCUT rushes/outtakes from CAMERA A , the principal camera... with much improved audio from previous vesrions.
GENESIS PLAYLIST IS HERE :
• GENESIS UNFILTERED - P...
GENESIS REUNION 2014: THE THREE - GABRIEL, RUTHERFORD, BANKS
PART ONE here • GENESIS REUNION 2014: ...
PART TWO here • GENESIS REUNION 2014: ...
ALSO AVAILABLE NOW ON THIS CHANNEL - THE FIVE !
COLLINS , HACKETT, PETER GABRIEL, TONY BANKS & MIKE RUTHERFORD
THE FIVE : 'SUPPER'S READY' & 'MUSICAL BOX'
• GENESIS REUNION 2014: ...
THE FIVE : ' THE LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY' & PETER LEAVES
• GENESIS REUNION 2014: ...
THE FIVE : STEVE HACKETT LEAVES GENESIS & PETER GABRIEL RETURNS FOR ONE SHOW • GENESIS REUNION 2014: ...
NOTES RE CAMERA ISSUES
Why is the camera moving so much? There were 3 cameras. you’re only seeing the “ rushes” footage from one of them. The camera operator is changing shots and focus to get variety - to be intercut with the other two in the edit.
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[@rk41gator]

Tony's body language says it all as Steve speaks the truth. It was a huge loss to see Steve go. Tony at least admits to 'shouting loudest' but no one can deny Bank's chords and progressions were the Genesis sound. Such a well-matched group of five brilliant musicians who knew how to write music. Although all did interesting and important work outside the group, these dudes were astounding in how they worked together to produce so much wonderful material. They were quite avant-garde and experimental through the '70s. Certainly, their creativity led the '80s sound as they progressed. I feel confident that every member is basically an introvert and uncomfortable examining themselves in public.

[@fogza_]

I love when Pete referred to Steve as "nerdy" and Steve corrected him saying he was "introverted" 😂

[@brendonpizzati20]

Tony's tell tale taken to task. Well much talented, Tony, comes off as a self justifying prick.

[@OlafProt]

@@brendonpizzati20 I think they’re all pretty comfortable With themselves here, except Tony. Who seems to be close to bursting biting his lip so that he doesn’t come across as a petulant posh schoolboy. The body language is fascinating. All the folded arms. Yikes 😂

[@PeterSokol-bl5vz]

Every band has an arrogant dickhead….meet Mr. banks.

[@bradaigh5761]

The body language inherent in this interview is so telling. Hackett & Gabriel open and truthful. The other 3 arms folded & biting lips says it all. Banks doesn't seem to be able to take any criticism or even gentle ribbing.

[@truefilm6991]

This is liquid gold! Thanks for posting! Well I might be completely biased, but this confirms my humble opinion: Phil comes across as the coolest and most down to earth guy of the group who seems to have the best vision of the big picture. Peter is great too. Steve, as always, is very articulate. I think Mike and especially Tony just need to learn to relax a bit. That's all. These are all highly intelligent people. Love all of 'em!

[@skaboosh]

Interesting body language as Steve speaks, well filmed there

[@_PrimetimePranks]

I love Steve Hackett's honesty, his solo stuff is great ! And Phil seems to "get it" regarding Steve's reasons for leaving where the others are a bit more stuffy toward him.

[@andreaswandersson6295]

It truly is fab listening in on a group of creatives thinking, reminiscing and making connections out loud, all the while negotiating old roles, grievances and joys of being artists (heck; being in a band!). Thank you John! (& thank you Genesis-folks)

[@fuTuRo-Sonic]

Thanks so much for these John. I'm still obsessed with early Genesis so these conversations are pure magic. It's actually more interesting to see these rushes rather than a finished edit as some of the, normally off camera, reactions are very telling, particularly from Peter. Your questions were perfectly on point too.

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

Thank you . Much appreciated !

[@kaveman1021]

I love how Peter points at Tony as the one who shouted the loudest with that sly smile, as if to say "HE'S the reason why I left the band!".

[@matthewche]

Tony is the reason we have the incredible Peter Gabriel solo career

[@mikearchibald744]

@@matthewche YOu can also say Anthony Phillips is the reason we've heard of any of them.

[@SinCityFutbol]

Incredible stuff! Thank you for posting.

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

My total pleasure!

[@sergiochantayon7819]

There is a reason these guys are in the interview: what they did together was extraordinary.

[@afrose71]

Great session. Saw Steve's band last year and have been enjoying a lot of his Genesis Revisited tour CDs.

[@DrakusRecords]

Hard to believe this was ten years ago.

[@avenginglettuce]

I wish they'd released a few more albums. Such incredibly talented and creative people, I would have loved to hear what a 2010 - 2015 - 2020 album would have sounded like.

[@stephenlopiano1599]

Genesis was my favorite back in the early to middle 1970s. Got to see them 3 times in concert, first at a local college around the Nursery Cryme-Foxtrot release time line, second time at an auditorium along with Strawbs around the Selling England by the Pound release time line, and third again at that same auditorium when they did the complete The Lamb LIes Down on Broadway at the time line when it was newly released. My personal favorites of their recording career was during the time when Gabriel was with the band. I must admit the recording Foxtrot side two Supper's Ready really had a great impact on me back in the 1970's, the way that recording built up to a climatic ending would bring tears to my eyes. Call it Syncronicity, imagination gone wild or coincidence, I somehow related the lyrics to Supper's Ready in a sort of hidden coded manner to a book that was very popular back around the same time this recording was released entitled "The Late Great Planet Earth" by Carlson and Lindsey.

[@rk41gator]

Genesis was always about the details. Love Peter's description of how they worked to not be too sweet, balancing with darkness. Many forget Genesis was rather Goth. Being shocking a bit of a goal. Wish this 'interview' went on and on. Peter (as usual) came up with a GREAT photo at the end. Thanks guys, you were fantastic, charting your own course, for which we are all very grateful.

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

Have you watch Part One of the this interview.?. it's full of great stuff too and over an hour long ! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIS0i3mNh8dlbKs

[@rk41gator]

@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES Yes, but it has been quite a while. I'll go back and check. Thanks.

[@sirgilmour]

Thank you so much John, absolutely love this footage and never get tired of watching it! I hope the video featuring only Peter, Mike and Tony will also be released in it's uncropped entirety.

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

Yes it will .. hopefully in Feb !

[@sirgilmour]

Cool! I also hope to be able to see the uncropped and uncut interview of Phil (both) and alsoTony, Steve & Mike. I also wish a Peter interview we are not aware exists is released too. If you did not happen to have a one to one with Pete, I think now would be the right time, he just finished touring and was just praised with his first #1 since So, I would love to hear his vision in depth of the lesser known Genesis tracks like from each album as well as his early solo records, he rarely gets asked about the 1977 and 1978 albums, to be honest eveything about this man's work is interesting, I would take 10 hours of that. Have a nice day John and thanks again for making our lives better with such great material.@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES

[@mikearchibald744]

@@sirgilmour Geez, your not greedy:) Classic Rock History has a whole bunch of interviews with Anthony Phillips, one of which is about his working with Peter in doing the demos for his first album. Bob Ezrin also has some great interviews on the subject, including the 'yell' on, shit I forget the track, but he said that Peter literally insisted on being hurt in order to make that yell (no, not the one on San Jacinto). Cherry Red Records also has an interview with Anthony where he talks a lot about the early stuff and always has good things to say about Peter. Who really does seem to be what Roger Waters said, which was that Genesis had their own Syd Barrett. Although musically Anthony Phillips has been the most productive and since he literally went off his nut then he may be considered a Syd Barrett as well. That great quote of Nick Kent comes back "a middle class mothers boy.....on acid". Although Pete insists no drugs were taken for Suppers Ready, but man, early Genesis makes for every bit the acid trip that early floyd does. But as John has said, he needs somebody to pick up the tab:) Cough up:)

[@ricardojimenez8351]

@@mikearchibald744 Red Rain maybe . . . ? About the hallucinating tendency on the height of the concept Lp’s with Peter, I would say, it has to do with Peter’s literary lyricism specially in "stream of consciousness” affinities to mental processes depiction, but Tony too had a wide talent for deep surrealism imagery and classism Cervantes-Shakespearian dipperful teaspoon . . . As Steve does. Substances become only auxiliary within musical haze.

[@randallsnyder5757]

Steve's not wrong here. At some point Tony's keyboards really took over in terms of the soundscape they created on their albums. And don't get me wrong, I love a lot of Tony's stuff but there definitely was less and less room for Steve and his playing, especially after Peter left.

[@afrose71]

True. Each successive release after Peter left, guitar parts became more of an afterthought, and Steve became a bit marginalized. Steve and Peter did what they needed to do and we got some great solo work from both of them.

[@WintersWar]

Genesis never really were a guitar band, which is why they are my favorite rock band, because too many other bands made it the centerpiece.

[@afrose71]

​@@WintersWar No, but they were a more balanced band prior to Peter's departure, which is why most of Steve's tours tend to focus on his first four albums with them.

[@mikearchibald744]

True and false, while Anthony admits they didn't get a lot of solos, they definitely featured guitar, hell TONY played guitar on Musical box. Its really too bad Tony couldn't have been pushed on guitar more, and its also odd, because the story is the band were terrified to even TOUCH the keyboards, and yet nobody says anything when Tony picks up guitar. Steve should have said "who F*&^ing is playing guitar in this band":) But thats true, the eighties were just garbage solos for hair guys that really added nothing but thirty seconds to make up for lack of decent chord progressions or lyrics. I don't listen to a lot of Steve, but the sad fact of the music business is that if you aren't huge and get at least ONE big hit, you are just getting by. So for the sake of his bank account, I'm sure Steve wishes he had stuck it out a little longer, at least til "follow you, follow me".

[@santibanks]

@@mikearchibald744 but that is kind of the funny thing: most of the guitar featured in Genesis' music is Mike doing 12 string bits. Either acoustic or electric. And some of those guitar things have been written by Tony. Lover's Leap for example was Tony's… What in my opinion is Steve's strength is to sometimes just not play and let the others do things. Or to contribute to the sound scape by doing textural stuff (as he did a lot on the Lamb for example). He could have the discipline of a classical player in an orchestra.

[@davidflynn8515]

Old mates reunion , forget the passed issues. Well done guys glad you done it before its to late.

[@TheJewellian]

Your documentaries in general are astounding with all the detail you know and get out of your interviewees.

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

Thank you. That’s very much appreciated

[@200405InVision]

Very enjoyable interview. Good to see a band being grown up about their creative tensions. For every negative their is a positive and no glass half full attitude.

[@johnflanagan9153]

The greatest, historic reunion that never took place on stage was the five man Genesis lineup. What a blown opportunity.

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

It happened - but only once - in 1982.

[@TDM1165]

I was there, a very wet almost 17 year old in bucks autumn 1982, at the MK bowl, ended up with a fever but it was worth it, Peter was brought on in a coffin as a preamble to the opener back in NYC and Steve didn’t arrive till the encore for some reason - a delayed flight I seem to recall reading - but it was great occasion, if only they’d filmed the damn thing, they should have had 35ml movie cameras there and the mobile recording unit, madness. I think mark Hollis’ legendary Talk Talk were the support. Last time we’d hear things like fly on a windshield, like live aid and Nelson Mandela day 88 and the Freddie mercury tribute 92, it’s one of those I’m proud to say I was at.

[@johnflanagan9153]

@@TDM1165 Amazing memories you have, my friend! I concur about the lack of foresight and the historical significance that should have been professionally filmed and recorded. Thank you for sharing your amazing recollections on musical history! Cheers, 🍻🍾 Johnny

[@TDM1165]

@@johnflanagan9153 cheers John, I’d have more money if I hadn’t been to all these concerts over the years but hopelessly addicted to rock music and I’ve long since accepted it 😂. Funny, I went with my mate Philip and we were talking about it last time we met for a pint the month before last, and we were both trying to remember how we found out about it and got tickets, and we both have different memories - I swear we queued outside Newcastle city hall box office where there was an allocation of tickets as there was at different places all over the country, he says it was strictly a mail order thing, both happened regularly for ‘big’ shows in those pre internet days, even CC bookings over the phone were in their infancy. So anyway, we can’t agree, but I think I’m correct 😂. I recall thinking it was madness to do a massive open air show in October and I wasn’t wrong, the only show I’ve been too that was worse was a couple of years later when deep purple played their massive reunion show at knebworth, that was like WW1, the rain, the mud, finally pulling out of the car park at 5am… the things I’ve done for rock n roll!

[@roddyadam5283]

Closest we got them all back together was 2005. They met in Glasgow after a Phil concert. Doing the whole of the Lamb live on tour was discussed I believe, Peter wouldn't commit , that was that and they went with the three for TIOA tour in 2007.

[@christianparsons6050]

The photo selfie at the end is very touching, nostalgic and kind of sad...makes you wish they had done more together....

[@barryfoster453]

Brilliances clashed. I didn't mourn Peter going, but I did when Steve went. If he was honest, I'm sure Tony would admit that he should have done anything to retain Steve. Just imagine if it had been four and not three. Steve was such a loss that it's a wonder 'Then There Were Three' was so brilliant.

[@stvartak7164]

@@barryfoster453 I strongly agree. I get the sense that fans increasingly realize that we all had it wrong about the turning point. It wasn't when Peter left, but rather when Steve left. That's when the "Old Genesis" ended and "New Genesis" began. In fact, much as I love Peter's work with Genesis, I think he was actually holding them back a bit. Better that he got to do his own thing in his own way.

[@coltonbeatty6117]

​@@stvartak7164 Wrong. Steve was and is a snake. Steve stockpiling his own material when the band could have really used a bit more to fill out a thin-stretched double album ('The Lamb..'). Really a selfish act, and a show of bad faith in the band. Later, pushing Wind and Wuthering to be a double album at a time when that's probably not a good idea (1976), just to get his songs on there that probably would have made another uneven, un-unified listening experience. Steve looking out for Steve...

[@stvartak7164]

@@coltonbeatty6117 I don't know enough to dispute that, but I just meant musically. I think his style added a lot to the band's music, even just the touches he put on other people's songs. He may be a snake for all I know.

[@phelpsarruda]

Thank you John!!! I love your interviews, especially this one with Genesis best regards Phelipe Brazil 🇧🇷

[@cosmicdrifter287]

You bring a lot of pleasure with these postings Mr Edginton.I Hope you have an amazing weekend.

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

Thanks, you too!

[@billallen6516]

Look, I love all these guys. They are all brilliant, and my favorite band of all time. But is it just me, or can you feel the tension between Tony and Steve?! I feel like Tony especially has some bitterness toward Steve. He even has a hard time looking at Steve when he speaks. But I would love to see Tony and Steve surprise us all by collaborating on some more music together. When they co-wrote Entangled together, what an absolute gem that song is!

[@mikearchibald744]

They have actually talked several times so this isn't brand new. Did you see Peter look at the camera as steve was talking. You can tell from his voice that even Steve was uncomfortable talking about it, and as usual it takes Phil to get them out of a tense situation. But even IN Genesis these guys didn't exactly hang out. But even Phil says its somewhat awkward when he meets Steve, which isn't often. So yeah, it was tense for about twenty seconds and then things move on. Keep in mind that Steve quit, nobody fired him.

[@juliemuller3045]

Loved every minute of that! Thank you!❤❤❤

[@silentrabbit247]

Travelled from Plymouth to Milton Keynes in Oct 1982 for the reunion concert, great to see all the band together, amazing atmosphere despite the wet weather and muddy field ! Started with Peter being carried onto the stage in a coffin to make an entrance as Rael.

[@astrosjer822]

Well done. Nice to see Steve’s full answer at the start. Phil did not even remember playing on Steve’s first solo album….wow

[@LuciusDriftwood]

I thought that to begin with, but if you relisten, you’ll hear Mike and Phil jokingly say they don’t remember if they got paid for working on Steve’s album. 👍🏻

[@MrSpitfire06]

Well he remembers playing on it but not the sessions in itselves

[@ignatzmuskrat3000]

I want to know if Phil was asked to try singing the vocals on Hierophant. Was it always intended as a soprano of no?

[@frk75]

Phil was already doing dozens of appearances as a session player on all kinds of albums, I mean even his "plays well with others" compilation, wich sadly dosent include anything from "voyage" have very few if not any stories from these sessions in the liner notes

[@ignatzmuskrat3000]

@@frk75 but as a vocalist?

[@rk41gator]

Peter's creativity was off the charts. His focus on innovation and helping others helped advance music worldwide. Being ahead of the curve, he wasn't always 'commercial' and often lost money. But who can deny their 'family' ties and loving connection illustrated by coming to Peter's aid in doing a 'reunion' concert to pay off his debts due to WOMAD?

[@ricardojimenez8351]

It’s kinda funny that right at the beginning when they got together for the first time with A Phillips, still teenagers, at Charterhouse school, their providential producer Jonathan King had little sensibility on the talents of the other founders, Mike and Tony, even saying that to him it was Peter’s backing band, which was as unfair as later on they themselves feeling unsure or unsafe at his departure. But he didn’t like it nor wanted it . . . Nor saw it that way.

[@rk41gator]

@@ricardojimenez8351Yeah, when it comes to King he had few successes, certainly when compared to ANY of the Genesis musicians. He did not recognize their talent. But Genesis was something else. Most bands had a lead with a back-up, to cut Jon some slack. Few bands were songwriters first, musicians second; nor were many a matched a set as these guys were. Their sum truly was better than the parts.

[@ricardojimenez8351]

@@rk41gator yeah . . . Have you heard that Peter plays flute on then Cat Stevens’ (Yusuf Islam now) Mona Bone Jakon Lp, on the song Katmandu, even if he never mastered the instrument . . . ?

[@rk41gator]

@@ricardojimenez8351 No. That is interesting. Peter downplays his flute musicianship, but he sounds fine. He can't play 'Flight of the Bumblebee' but how many can. He has good tone.

[@mathtrixmusiclix4248]

That picture at the end….priceless 🇨🇦

[@AstralPixie]

That is sweet!

[@JohannesC-c9k]

I am 62 years old. At school a friend gave me a loan of Foxtrox when I was eleven or twelve. Brilliant band.

[@CarolMiller-dg8hf]

I really enjoyed seeing the original members talking about their beginnings. I love all their solo stuff. It rings true for me that my favorite Genesis album was in my teenage years. But my favorite solo album is from Peter Gabriel I/O. He's like a fine wine, gets better with age.

[@Sebastian-lo3hn]

Peter was brilliant at pointing at Tony, when it came to confession time. Steve sounded like he had wanted to say this forever.

[@budgetkeyboardist]

Great stuff! One thing that I don't see much discussion about is this: Hackett left because the band was choosing the Banks and Rutherford material over his often... but it's possible (probable?) that the Banks and Rutherford songs WERE better. And the band went with the better material. I think Steve is a good songwriter, but how many people could outdo the combo of Banks and Rutherford in their prime? I don't blame Steve for leaving, but I do wish he'd stuck around for two more albums. He's a killer guitarist. But he's entitled to go do his own thing.

[@mikearchibald744]

Amen, I think if you look at Steves album of that time then you can hear some of the stuff and see for yourself. The one thing kind of glossed over is Wind and Wuthering. When Tony talks about Steve 'getting more in', he mostly references Blood on the Rooftops, which is one song out of nine. Phil still isn't writing, thats three guys and Steve only gets ONE. And on the album by album interviews, the other three openly admit that it was Tonys album, which is proven by the fact that Tony has said its his favourite one. Please Don't Touch was released right after he left, so you can compare those tracks to Wind and Wuthering and probably see which didn't make the cut. From Steves point of view he says he thinks they were better. But the trouble here is that without Pete, or Ant, it now very likely is Tonys band. He's in charge, and then Wind and Wuthering didn't do fantastic so the guy is smart enough to go "uh oh".

[@PressureOnJulian]

@@mikearchibald744Phil wrote the chorus to Blood On The Rooftops (without which it is half the song), he provided the basis to Wot Gorilla? and In That Quiet Earth was a group jam - plus he wrote lyrics to Match Of The Day and contributed musically to all three of the Spot The Pigeon tracks, so he was writing…. A lovely Steve bit is in the middle of Eleventh Earl Of Mar, “I’m fighting gravity falling”, he was prominent on In That Quiet Earth and Unquiet Slumbers (which was separated from Quiet Earth to give him an extra writing credit to appease him) and the guitar intro, verse and lyrics to Blood On The Rooftops. He helped out with Inside And Out too So Steve was very prominent on the album, just not quite as prominent as Tony, but everyone is well represented on that record. Had he offered Hoping Love Will Last to the band they would have used it (a classic Collins ballad!), but he didn’t. Phil was the main voice against Please Don’t Touch being used.

[@PressureOnJulian]

@@mikearchibald744On Wind & Wuthering, it was released at the very tail end of 1976 (17th December), the tour started on New Years Day 1977. It has been suggested that a lot of the sales information got snarled up in the Christmas post, so was not added to the chart calculations when it should have been. (Think it’s in Armando Gallo’s book) Had it done so, they might have had a first number one album.

[@mikearchibald744]

@@PressureOnJulian Well, thats all as maybe. I was just reading that it came out as ABBA's "Arrival" came out, so I doubt it would be number one. Although Your Own Special Way hit 62 on the american charts. How high in the charts doesn't make much difference, even Smallcreeps Day hit 13 but is not exactly touted as a commercial success. Anyway, my point was the perception that Steve could have a solo career and whether that worried the management or band at a time when they had just lost Gabriel. I'm pretty sure my source was Hackett himself. But take it for what its worth, its all conjecture mostly from the outside.

[@mikearchibald744]

@@PressureOnJulian Do you have a source on the last sentence? The rest is quite interesting although seems to fly in the face of Steve's point that he made as to WHY he left.

[@mikearchibald744]

I think thats pretty understandable from all angles, to give Tony some credit what he's saying is that he was pushy for his stuff at least in part because all the other guys were going to change the song around into something completely different. I think Steve was just a casualty of the main argument which was Tony always being afraid that Peter was going to put lyrics on top. He admits that he was right NOW, but then its almost like "this son of a bitch is getting all the attention and its becoming Petes band and he's putting lyrics over every damn thing I write". The lamb is almost like Tony subconsciously saying "try putting lyrics over THIS you bastard". I remember the first time I saw the Lamb album and reading the liner and thinking "there is NO way that he sings 'supernatural aenesthetist" in a song ( I can't even spell it). But there it was. The war was always with Peter and Tony. Steve was so shy that its likely Tony barely listened to him, to make a PF comparison, Dave Gilmour got his way SOMETIMES because he would fight for it, Rick Wright was such a sweetheart that the just kind of hid from Roger. Thats a band. It would have been interesting to ask them what they'd maybe have done in hindsight, Mike often seems more reflective, but even Richard McPhail has said Tony is brutally honest...to his own detriment. I know on social media the tendency is to be judgemental of personalities, but the great thing about Genesis is that you can find a little bit of yourself in all of them, as the saying goes, everybody tries to get what they want. Whats quite interesting is that these interviews make it almost LITERALLY true, that TONY is the backbone of Genesis. Even in these interviews you can see everybody wants to hear what Tony is going to say.....and judge him on it. And thats a great thing when others describe you as 'honest to a fault'. And I can easily say from these interviews that the most interesting guy here to have a conversation with would be Tony. And thats saying something in that crowd.

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

@mikearchibald744 Thanks for your fascinating insights here, Mike. As always , a terrific analysis.

[@santibanks]

Happy to read comments like this here instead of the regular BS many people write without having a clue about these guys nor music in general. And I completely agree with you. As John also knows, i've been quiet on te defence for Tony under some of his videos whenever these "fans" which have been referred to in the interview pop up. I think that what many people forget is that the Genesis guys consider themselves writers first, musicians/players second. They are a writers collective who were basically forced to play their own material due to the circumstances and became quiet good at it too. It is for me what sets Genesis apart from some of the other prog bands. What I never really understood is all the negativity towards Tony in relation to Steve. If Steve is to be believed, on the first three records he did not contribute much, also to his own detriment. It's not that Tony was just dominating the writing process, if Steve only made minor contributions because he did not really had any ideas, then why should it be a surprise that Steve did not had that many contributions? From all I hear it is that Steve didn't really have the confidence at that time and from the few things he suggested, only a part made it through. It's a creative process, most of the ideas get left out somewhere during the process in favour of having the best ones survive. These guys are all about the music, they pick what is best for the music, not what feeds egos or somehow falls into an equality share (as Phil also kind of explains). Why are people so insisting that Steve made that band for what it is and that his leaving was the end for Genesis? He clearly didn't, it's Tony and Mike doing that as a lot of the essence of Genesis is even still there on Calling all stations (irregardless if you like that record or not). And as you point out yourself (and Tony Smith has told the same in many interviews), Tony Banks is for all practical purposes the backbone of Genesis.

[@mikearchibald744]

@@santibanks Yeah, I think thats media, everything has to have a good guy and a bad guy and I think some poeple think they are 'supporting' Steve by badmouthing Tony. And people are politic, Steve is just friendly and open (and reserved). That makes you like him, and sort of want to protect him. And when Peter talks, despite admitting to being a stubborn bastard, you really can't even IMAGINE the guy arguing. For decades I thought the guy was mentally impaired til all these interviews came out and according to Anthony Phillips, the guy is the MOST practical of them. When 'normal' came out I was figuring, "ok, thats got to be personal experience" and I remember early forums in the nineties where I was likely telling people to respect peoples mental health problems because its not their fault and look at the great music we can get from it:) And Tony just has that way about him, he reminds me of Neil Peart, and introvert who when he talks, just doesn't know when or how to stop. As you say, and all anybody has to do is watch the album by album interviews, Steves problems with his first wife really meant he couldn't push himself forward. They essentially 'carried' him for three albums. But then he also got them their biggest hit, so its not quite so cut and dry. But even Mike says when it came to do Trick of the Tail after Pete left, they really didn't know what they were going to do, and Steve was off doing his solo stuff. But then Steve says during Lamb he couldn't get anything in. So there you go, as they say, timing is everything. But then as Tony says "he got tired of me....people do". He's honest that he was kind of a prick, and when people are honest you should believe them. I'm happy for the music, glad I wasn't in the band:) On another note I read a story that one of those roadies tells the story of when they set off those fireworks and they point out that Tony was running around chasing Geoff Banks and hitting him with a tambourine saying "you've made me deaf". And yet the guy was still working for them years later.

[@santibanks]

@@mikearchibald744 It's all timing, circumstances, and development. Tony himself admits that he is much more mellow nowadays than he used to be. In the end, these were young adolescents who were still forming and finding their way in life. The private events surrounding Peter during the Lamb and basically nobody knowing about that except Tony, I found it completely odd but somewhere also very relatable for their age. As you've mentioned in a different comment, it's not so difficult to see these guys, read on their back stories, and somehow find something recognisable in all of them. I certainly have sympathy for all these guys and can relate to all of them being a musician myself (and have a personality which probably overlaps most with Tony). I wouldn't be surprised if similar dynamics happened for example in Yes where I think they also all contribute (and people coming and going all the time like a doves til).

[@willyc.8141]

​@@mikearchibald744Your comments and insights are so interesting, thank you very much. I'm from Italy and I love reading comments on Genesis to understand the complexity of their relationship and every side of them

[@kentborges5114]

LOVE THESE GUYS ! They were way ahead ! OUTSTANDING !

[@aidanmcnamara3304]

These five wonderful human beings are both fantastic as individuals and splendid in their collective endeavours. People (like me) ought to have the charity and the insight to celebrate all of what they have done both in Genesis and on their own. I get that we all like (get off on) the smallprint and the nitpicking, the footnotes and the nerding out, and that we all have our favourite moments, eras, songs and albums; but for anyone to suggest that there are or might be black and white conclusions to be drawn about the trajectory of their careers, in and out of Genesis, is simply too reductionistic and, above all, a distraction from the music. These boys are artists, musicians, arrangers, virtuousos and, whilst we enjoy the glee and the fanship, the dedication and the love too of John's documentaries, we should always remember that we are here in this space because without them there would be no Genesis, no Peter, no Tony, no Mike, no Phil and no Steve. It is fun to discuss and analyse and speculate, but I take the trouble to upload this comment because they have produced both as a group and as individuals some of England's greatest musical art. So haggle, retort, (slag the stuff from Duke onwards if you insist: (nobody compares Led Zep to Bowie and rightly so- Abacab is not my cup of cab) but I am delighted to remember that- and I don't need to mention names- these chaps also, despite punk- at least kept up with the innovative technical aspects of rock and roll- from synths to drum machines and, above all: understand that music does not depend on categories for its majesty.

[@Lachenmann7]

How eloquently written and conceived. Your statement is art in and of itself.

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

@@Lachenmann7 Agreed !

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

Thanks so much for you marvellously worded contribution here, Aidan.

[@aidanmcnamara3304]

Thank you for your work, John. You are the curator of a very important living museum- Hackett's gigs keep the comet glowing (showing his love for their music despite (healthy) creative differences with Banks- and these documentaries underwrite the beauty of Genesis and their legacy in the history of musical art. I choose my comments carefully because I respect others' talent and your dedication to these documentaries (I have watched the Floyd ones too) are riveting because you KNOW you are not the protagonist: this is the sign of a serious witness. Happy new year.@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES

[@aidanmcnamara3304]

Thank you very much indeed. It is nice of you to take the trouble@@Lachenmann7

[@scotland5370]

They all lookedhappy to be there in that final selfie. Good on peter for wanting to take it

[@garypowell1540]

IMO between Selling England to W&W Genesis hit their peak. He can debate whether what came after was better worse or indifferent forever but we will never know what could have been if the band had simply stayed together and carried on doing more or less the same as they were. Few critics believe that what came after Hackett left was better then before, so maybe it would have been even better if he had remained? Having said that with so many outstanding musicians and writers in one band, we should not be asking why they split, but how they managed to stay together as long as they did. We need to remember that creative artists playing together in a group like this was a new thing which did not begin in such a form until the Beetles got together and they only managed 8 years before wanting to kill each other.

[@erlinhld8745]

I like these old guys - like YES, they should never have broken up this lineup.

[@RGB06084]

This is another great interview John! Great history!

[@aminahmed2220]

What a awesome video John have a wonderful day ❤😊

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

Thanks! You too!

[@stiofandundealgan1280]

Best line up of the band between 70 and 75, the Magnificent 5 !

[@jremi]

Really enjoyed this interview. I was 12 in 1970. This band had a huge influence on me, so I tend to agree with Tony about the 13 - 19 age period when your heroes leave an indelible impression on you. I have lost interest after the A trick of the tail album. The band was changing and I guess I was already missing my teenage heroes. Nothing wrong with band after that. I was just going through changes myself and I started to follow Steve’s career more closely, being a guitar player myself.

[@albresc1527]

Yeah, as I said somewhere else when Steve left Genesis he took Genesis with him...

[@tkreitler]

I was 20 in 1987 when a friend played Selling England for me. I was absolutely amazed that this incredible music had been hidden from me. All I knew of Genesis at the time is what was played on the radio in the 80's. I instantly took a deep dive into their work to see what else I had missed. I agree with you that Trick of the Tail was the last album that had that same kind of magic.

[@andyman0231]

I think Genesis changed the most after Steve left. Even more then when Peter left. Steve playing was sorely missed after he left

[@nathankeller9251]

Proper English gentlemen who made the best music of our lifetimes.

[@pilates68]

The fascinating thing about Genesis is how the internal dramas were not particularly volatile and cataclysmic (compared to other great bands) yet it all fascinates us endlessly. It’s a band that encapsulates that transition from the risk taking for artistic sake to mass embrace of popularity and acclaim. So interesting how the former has endured whilst the latter proved as fleeting as it was at the time (1980’s). That’s the appeal of studying Genesis. The arc or fork, if you will, whereby some celebrate artistic expression and others financial. I wonder if Tony, Mike, and Phil ever ponder the enduring affection for what they achieved as a 5 piece comprised of indentured starving artists. It must be hard to wrap one’s head around it given the mega popularity of the 80’s.

[@mikearchibald744]

Well, thats the unending discussion about Genesis isn't it. On these interviews even Anthony Phillips and Richard Macphail talk about that, so its pretty hard for them to discount it. It would be one thing living THROUGH it in the eighties, but now they have decades where people are wanting to interview them mainly about their seventies work. But then TONS of musicians only have ONE SONG that anybody is interested in, so they certianly get lots of chances in interviews. Interesting in this interview they almost blame Phil for not 'dumbing it down' for Squonk in order to make it more like Kashmir, but then we already HAD Kashmir, not like we need another one. Not sure what they said but when Tony said Phil had a 'smaller sound' and Mike says something to Phil and they laugh then you can guess what that joke is. I think the ONLY time they'd get tired of it is if they were releasing new material. As Peter said, artists only want to talk about their new stuff, the fans mostly want to hear the old stuff.

[@StratsRUs]

They are like dads waiting for their kids after school.

[@doggity5149]

Peter taking that selfie at the end is the most wholesome thing ever.

[@vewilli]

Great band with great albums, one after the other. One of my favorite songs from one of those early albums (Nursery Crime) was and is „Seven Stones“ … and here the five together at least for an interview … almost incredible!

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

Glad you enjoyed it. Do watch part one if you haven’t already!

[@petewoodroffemusic]

The body language spoke volumes!!

[@tractordirt]

Enjoyed this! Especially liked hearing Peter talk about stuff like early influences, the foxtrot dress, and LP covers! He seems content with the past and present…nice to see. (Wish the mic setup was better on the interviewer)

[@fredericknalaremah939]

Obvious egos, obvious differences, but when they went on stage and played, the music said it all...Untouchable Genesis!

[@pmoris4405]

Historical register for posterity made in 2014 for Sum of the Parts. Brilliant interview.

[@Rupert14]

I like when the interview is over Peter is the first one to get up and leave 😊 I'm sure he was just going to the bathroom but it was unintentionally symbolic.

[@nickfabiano7795]

I thought the same thing. Would’ve like to hear from the Four. A short lived but still excellent version of the Band.

[@snacklofter]

👍👍 Perfect timing John, I've just cooked my sausages!

[@Eleventhearlofmars]

You’re not the doctor out of that fawlty towers episode are you?! He wanted his sausages before checking on a dead body. 😂

[@dreamhaven140]

The classic Genesis line-up and the only ones that matter.

[@greggw.brevoort]

What they're failing to say about the influence of the Intruder drum sound, not that it influenced them because they were exposed to it, but that it was something that audiences/consumers really responded to. They kept returning to it, exploring it, because it generated music that the fans really really dug.

[@harrynewiss4630]

Tony's face at the start is a picture :)

[@JSebastien94]

They did reunite for a press conference in 1998 and also reunited for Peters weeding in 2002 playing with him. They aways been good friends. Maybe they had friction when he left but they were in there 20s they didnt know better. It is sad that they never got to play in front of a live audience and filmed since the 1982 one-off. And now there done for good.

[@dilahmad8647]

These are Legends of Music kids.

[@NathanJayMusic]

End of part 1 says "Now watch part 2!". End of part 2 says "now watch Part 1!" I've been caught in this loop for two months

[@amitraam1270]

Selfishly, I'm glad they left Genesis. Besides the inevitability of it, just imagine all the great music we're blessed with their solo work!

[@Afterglow490]

Yeah I agree. I love all Genesis across the decades in their own ways respectively, as 5 then 4 and finally then there were 3 (no pun intended🤣) and personally I wouldn’t have wanted it any other way! ❤

[@forestghost7]

They all look uncomfortable in each other's presence... I wish I could turn back time , was 1 of my fav bands and Steve is my all time fav guitarist

[@VictorMaxol]

Normal English men.

[@jfayiii]

When Steve is talking the other four's faces start twisting.

[@richt1583]

If Genesis continued, it would end up as Tony Banks.

[@jeffreylebowski519]

Thank you @JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES for these interviews. You very cunningly got the best (or should that be the worst in some cases) out of all the band members, just like you did with the Floyd etc. Brilliant work mate, it's not easy.

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

Cheers !

[@gurgisjones1120]

A lot of this background stuff, and issues between band members, is well-documented in the great book "Genesis - I Know What I Like". Probably long out of print and hard to find, but a gem and jewel of a book. Lots of great photos and stories too.

[@Elmalatina]

I agree; I bought that book in 1980 and it's wonderful.

[@haroldtrujillo]

Tony gets the blame! (Thanks, Peter!)

[@carl13220]

Yes, obviously

[@stevenaleman7454]

So many great legendary bands/artists were started and came from Great Britain-England…Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Queen, Genesis, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Who, Iron Maiden, Deep Purple, Def Leppard, Yes, Fleetwood Mac, Elton John, The Police, Rainbow, The Pretenders, The Animals, Wings, Dire Straits, King Crimson, The Moody Blues, Cream, The Yardbirds, etc…..🎤🔥👍✌️🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@judah-benmorales9759]

Too bad they never got together to actually play their classic prog material. Now, with Phil's condition, it will never happen😢

[@StuWhisson]

Genesis is done and dusted now. The rights to all their songs and material have all been sold for millions, the studio closed and sold off.

[@AstralPixie]

Wishing Phil good vibes getting along with his physical and back issues. Lovely to see these 5 English gentlemen. Peter's right, the years when you are growing up, impact the things you attach yourself to -- just like sports teams. "Led Zeppelin and the Floyd have rejected this.... but it's good enough for you" ;D

[@fenixfp40]

I was at the Milton Keynes gig. Talk Talk opened if I remember correctly.

[@canu2001]

Este grupo marcó mi vida , me hubira gustado verlos a los 5 nuevamente...

[@Sebastian-lo3hn]

Phil's ecollectiom of PG's band is awesome and puts into context the drum sound that seems more now mutation of both their ideas.

[@SM-gi9rk]

That was a I created this, you loved it despite not linking natural drums but had to credit me or it was a day in court when he turned up to help PG of his back and goodwill.

[@apolloniusbeitsman5444]

Steve is the best!!!

[@danielduesentriebjunior]

What wonderful music they made!

[@JohnHancotte]

I wonder why the discussion went from Supper's Ready to The Lamb. Would have liked some reflection on Selling England. I know Tony disliked Peter's contributions on Epping Forest, but the album as a whole was another important chapter. Really enjoyed this though, as an old fan who followed them through the years.

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

Unfortunately time pressures forced me to push the interview on. It was a pity we couldn't get into more detail re Selling England,etc

[@infinityBBC]

that's precisely what i was thinking. i was like... what? i'm as into Selling England as i am Foxtrot. don't ya hate time constraints? ;-)

[@benvad9010]

I notice they always try to throw shade at Phil as the reason that Pete left but seeing that Phil always came up to help Pete (being his drummer) and being a dependable friend was a far cry from the accusations. The way Genesis sounds later on is Mike’s influence clearly but none of them came close to Phil’s successes, even Pete.

[@JusCuz410]

Bingo. Both Phil & Tony catch heat from fans on the more “pop” sounding music of the 80’s & early 90’s. It was Mike’s compositions that were more pop. As far Pete leaving, his newborn daughter was born with a defect and the others weren’t parents yet. So Pete felt more isolated. There was an AM team (Steve, Mike & Tony) and a PM team (Pete & Phil) during the recording of the Lamb. Pete & Phil often collaborated on each other’s songs post-Lamb & beyond.

[@nicolemassie576]

Mike and Tony have admitted that they were not very nice to Peter during that difficult time and have expressed regret about it as well.

[@TamerKays-r9l]

Five supergifted musicians, (regardless of the tensions past and present) especially Phil, Peter, Steve ,Tony and Michael. Remember, these guys brought "Selling England By The Pound" into existence.

[@dstarling61]

I get the impression that Tony thinks that Genesis is his band.

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

He does

[@mikearchibald744]

Well he's been there since day one, and is charge of all the remixing that they've been doing for the past twenty years because "everybody is off doing something", so he's not wrong. EVERY other member has quit at some point but him. By ANY standards of any band around that would be true.

[@stuartwaby3081]

14:04 Very sad when Steve left the band, although his solo albums became better than Genesis without him! Really pleased he keeps the Genesis flame burning brightly, he's the only one capable of playing the material how it was originally conceived apart from Tony if he wanted. Steve's shown he's the heart and soul of Genesis, even Phil said they should have changed their name after his departure, they just couldn't come up with anything like they used to do, let's remember they used to write for a virtuoso Guitarist, and as a Three piece they just regressed while Steve Progressed.

[@PressureOnJulian]

Disagree, don’t think Steve was missed at all as a writer…. He contributed very little material to Genesis and only the odd track on his solo records - stuff on Please Don’t Touch particularly - was of any real quality. There are plenty of slightly naff attempts at getting a hit on Cured and Highly Strung too…. Apart from Star of Sirius and Hoping Love Will Last he had a bit of a chorus problem. There’s something to like on most of his albums, but its all a bit patchy. His playing was his strongest point. Don’t think Genesis regressed at all, if anything they got better at crafting songs and moved across genres pretty freely - just less of a classical element. Steve chose to make a solo album when the band was at its most vulnerable and had next to nothing for Trick of the Tail - missing a golden opportunity. Then he got the hump when his, mostly substandard, material was rejected for W&W. He held back How Can I and Hoping Love Will Last and never offered them to the band - Tony really liked the latter. His best Genesis song, Blood On The Rooftops, needed Phil’s chorus to lift it. Heart and soul? Absolutely not.

[@ricardojimenez8351]

@@PressureOnJulian Are you shure your name is Julian? Cause I thought it could be Anthony or Michael, your judgmental perspective seems to come from that kinda complete names egotistical perspective . . . I have some trouble perceiving you as a Julian, pretty one track mind .

[@haroldtrujillo]

They all look so uncomfortable when Steve is talking.

[@brodjefferson3513]

Jesus Christ that was an awkward exchange between Steve, Mike & Phil re: Steve's solo album. It's clear from Mike's book that he is still bitter against Steve for never getting paid for those sessions and here it's the first thing he mentions about that album. Then Steve got offended because Mike & Phil were dismissive of the album saying they don't remember it. Sheesh.

[@jeffreylebowski519]

Awkward is putting it mildly... 🙄 All quietly seething there...

[@Resenbrink]

You sound like you were in the band.

[@coltonbeatty6117]

It IS a pretty forgettable album though

[@TimJackson-eq6iy]

'tis a pity that they haven't been allowed to record any new music since the 90s. Thankfully we have all the old obscure archived music posted on KZbin. Would be nice if it was all compiled in one place, so we could download it on Spotify.

[@organicgroove23]

Genesis I’ve been following this band for 45 years and they are all teenage friends and bandmates from early on into their 20s by 1974. Every member is golden. They each have their own unique expression and style. I see Tony Banks as the real origin for Genesis along with his childhood friend Mike Rutherford. Peter’s unique vocal and lyrical quality was unreal from the start. Phil’s drumming and Steve’s guitar style only added to their wonderful sound later on in their evolution. My Favorites are Trick of the Tail, Wind & Wuthering, And Then There Were Three & finally, Duke. I agree with Tony that Duke is the one musical work that captures Genesis completely. Listen to it and check out their music. Genesis is a progressive rock group and Duke is a concept album where god gets a divorce. Truly amazing imo

[@cesarmelhem7824]

Vc só menciona os discos sem Peter Gabriel. A melhor fase do Gênesis.Talvez por não ter acompanhado , mas em termos de Rock Progressivo foi o que se fez de melhor. Quando Peter saiu, a Banda foi ficando mais pop

[@niemandniemand2224]

Ich ging mal nach Russland. Dort traf ich auf eine ätere Frau , welche mir sagte: How wonderfull is the world. Sie hatte einen Vogel in ihrer Hand. Ich heiratete ihre Mutter. Thank y

[@billjones8503]

Steve's opening critique put most of them in a bad mood. lol

[@optimus163]

But he was right !

[@mikearchibald744]

Yeah, I'd rather they just skipped that. I'm surprised they didn't say 'well, we managed without you". I think Steves quitting without showing up is what really irks them, they dont seem to mind talking about when Peter left.

[@mamm2507]

Lo que hicieron estos cinco fue y siempre será para mí lo más grande, lo mejor, la música más maravillosa de mi vida.

[@LeoDragon34]

Four of the five were creative geniuses. It’s no surprise, when their material was quite different, that they ultimately went their separate ways. It’s remarkable actually that three of them managed to stick together despite their solo careers.

[@scottleeper]

Which one is not a creative genius?

[@Retro_Man_76]

Which one was not a creative genius?! They ALL were!

[@albresc1527]

Yeah, say it once and for all.

[@albresc1527]

@@Retro_Man_76 creative genius maybe, great players not all...

[@allthatchas]

This was a nice trolling comment, probably meant to fire up some irritation. Pete, Steve and Tony are (in my mind) undoubtedly creative geniuses. Phil is a great drummer and clearly has a great commercial ear and flair. Mike has always been more elusive, his contribution is not as clear to me. Although I'm sure that he was important in the band as well.

[@stevegungel787]

Seems there is still some angst with Tony, Mike and Phil when Pete and Steve speak.

[@mikearchibald744]

I don't think its angst, its simply the uncomfortableness of being interviewed with the ex wife talking about why they left. They've certainly met a number of times but given their britishness the subject just never came up, or in other interviews they'd be on their own. So its one thing for Tony or Phil to say "people get tired of us', its quite another to have cameras rolling and haveing the person there saying "I got tired of you". There is almost literally no way to 'comfortably' respond to that. If it was oprah they'd be expected to break down and cry and apologize. I read an interview with Ray Wilson where he says although Tony wanted to continue with another album, Mike didn't, and yet it was Tony who was in Scotland and called him and went out to dinner and apologized. Of course being guys, making a joke or being self deprecating is the only way to really deal with it, but I don't think thats 'angst', we're talking about almost half a century ago now and they've all 'made out all right'.

[@MouthBreatherGaming]

@@mikearchibald744 - Very well stated.

[@b-music9329]

Love these guys! :-)

[@ignatzmuskrat3000]

Wait...Phil doesn't recall his second lead vocal record, Star Of Sirius? I bet he just needed a few sensory markers turned on.

[@paulchoccyt1303]

Thank you John

[@BelieverJohn72]

Bunch of great guys

[@paradisemeco7121]

The chairs glued to floor 😅

[@rampageclover9788]

This is how I look at it.....Tony Banks is resentful of the fact that his solo career stalled at the runway. Peter and Phil's global success grinds his gears even more because he knows he has the stage presence of a forklift operator and a pretty average voice. Furthermore, let's call a spade a spade....Phil Collins from 1981 to 1986 and then again in 1991 made on average two albums a year.....half of them were under the Genesis name....and that kept Tony employed....while Mike Rutherford found other things to keep him afloat such as The Mechanics and he gained success there as well.....difference is he knew his strengths and weaknesses. He knew he wasn't a front man but knew how to find them....and that's where Paul Carrack comes in. Mike has a brilliant musical brain and knows where the pieces in the puzzle fit....he found it with Phil, with Paul and again years later with Ray Wilson.....Mike is as cool as a cucumber and conflict-proof.....Tony is a phenomenal musician and writer....but is deeply cynical and feels the music business is out to get him.....

[@mikearchibald744]

That seems kind of silly. I'm no fanboy of any of them but that seems ridiculous. In interview after interview Tony has said the obvious, how lucky he is. And he's also said that OBVIOUSLY he'd have liked the success of the others. What he may have felt at any time in his career is another story, but NOW the internet and world is full of Genesis tribute and clone bands and NOBODY is doing "Misunderstanding" or even "Domino". Its the seventies and as we know from these interviews, that Genesis was mainly Tony steamrollering. Even all the long 'fairie songs' I figured would be Peters, he here blames on Tony. Almost EVERYTHING that is loved about Genesis of that particular time period was Tony. He didn't write 'hits' and wasn't commercially successful. Only a fool in music thinks commerciality equals quality, inventiveness, originality, or anything else. Not only that, the guy NEVER toured. He barely even showed up for interviews. He kept pushing Genesis along til Phil quit, then was ready to pack it in, and Mike convinced him to do it again. And it was Mike who refused to keep going, Tony says he wanted to work more with Ray despite the fact the band was starting at square one. He's admitted ALL those feelings of jealousy in the seventies when Peter was getting all the attention, ironic considering none of the other guys even WANTED to be known, but human beings are not known for logic. And they now ALL know that for a LONG time Phil has been DERIDED by music critics, while Mike basically only had two hit songs that his 'success' is based on. As my mother used to say, if you are deciding between two cheeses at mealtime you've got not much to complain about, and thats pretty much Tony at this point. PHIL is the one who keeps going on and on about how maligned he is.

[@JohannesC-c9k]

Do you know them personally?

[@barryfoster453]

Yeah, you probably nailed it, as they say nowadays. Tony was brilliant, as was Steve, and Tony must have felt odd that he couldn't do for himself what he did for Genesis.

[@mikearchibald744]

@@barryfoster453 That doesn't make sense. Tony never wrote 'hits' for Genesis, he wrote stuff that was sideways to being commercials, much as Steve and Anthony did. But even Mike only really had TWO hits that he co wrote. As Tony has said, he 'wished' he had more commercial success, but somebody THAT obstinate simply isn't going to be able to make it happen. Hell in his videos he doesn't even TRY .

[@barryfoster453]

@@mikearchibald744 Mike, I never wrote the word 'hits' and you even put it in quotation marks, mate. I say again, Tony was brilliant, as was Steve, and Tony must have felt odd that he couldn't do for himself what he did for Genesis.

[@syn814]

この五人での演奏をもう一度聴きたいと強く願っています。

[@mikeb3268]

Sou dato ii ne. Demo, kono goro Phil San wa totemo byoki desu..

[@syn814]

@@mikeb3268 フィルさんのことは承知しています。だからこそ、この５人の演奏は夢（dream）なんです。切望してもかなわないもの、分かっていてもかなわないもの、それを思わせる５人がこの人たちだと思います。返信ありがとうございます。

[@rocketburnz2297]

This is great info

[@randymarkley5634]

Tony really forced Peter and Steve’s hands. The odd thing is how much material Peter and Steve ended up getting out. To me although Tony was a draft bing force to the band, he eventually forgot how to Prog. Steve and and Peter were just getting started.

[@peterdixon7734]

"Tony...he eventually forgot how to Prog". Thank you. An excellent expression.

[@mobeus84]

Unless you've been at the height of their success each individually and you've been used to 25 years of being the one star guy that everyone's trying to get to and now you have to split that time between 5 people because there's questions for each one of them it's got nothing to do with him seething or not liking each other what you're seeing is just weird body language from people who are waiting around to talk cuz they have things going through their head too that they want to say but they're being polite it's called respect