Did the CIA erase one of Mexico's Islands?

[@GeographyGeek]

This is a re-upload. It was originally posted back in November but an image needed to be removed over a copyright dispute.

[@MangaSt]

Well better a copyright dispute that the agents at your door xD

[@ender5312]

@@MangaSt hi

[@samanthaqiu3416]

did yt demotized this video? I see a big banner for "context" from wikipedia, wtf is going on

[@TheArchitectOfDreams]

It was the island wasn't it lol.. that image needed to be removed huh?

[@placasowuicho967]

You mean the cia?

[@trolleyfan]

The simplest answer is that it is one of those other islands off of northern Yucatán that's been displaced/copied into the wrong place. Since that sort of thing happened *all* the time, with islands being duplicated all over the oceans, this is by far the best explanation.

[@niflag]

No, simplest answer is that it never existed.

[@guitardog99]

@@niflag simplest answer is that ur mom was so fat she ate the damn island

[@Mr.Ekshin]

@@niflag - That's pretty much what he just said. There was no GPS back then, so If a sailor was off course and "discovered" an island, he would put it on the charts (in the wrong place). As such, he would have charted a known island, but in the wrong place. So there were a LOT of duplicated islands. Remember that back in those days, everyone wanted to make it into the history books by discovering new things. So explorers were overly eager to note uncharted mountains, rivers, islands and land masses. And they would often exaggerate the size or significance of their discoveries. Look at any old map of a coastline, and every inlet has a name and they all look like huge harbors.

[@MrJest2]

Probably. Alternatively, it was a sand drift caught up in some of the Yucatan Impact ejecta around that area, and washed away. He doesn't get any more detailed about the island other than it being named "Auburn Isle", which brings to mind the color of sand. But yes - the best answer it it was a mis-identification of another island, and poor navigation of the time created a cartography error.

[@ralphholiman7401]

There area lot of small islands off Mexico's northern coast. I'm pretty sure that's what happened, too. People don't realize how old much of the information on maps and charts often is. I recall a Navy Captain talking about navigating through the Pacific in WW2, and seeing that the charts they were using were from Captain Cook's expedition, which didn't give him a great feeling of confidence when sailing at night with the primitive radars we had back then.

[@LookAlikeFilm]

Island being destroyed by an earthquake - “That can’t happen without someone noticing” Island being destroyed by a hydrogen bomb - “Definitely plausible”

[@westsonrises]

That's the part of the video that most stood out to me lol Mental gymnastics

[@arttuheikkila388]

You are underestimating the power of earthquakes. The force released in earthquakes is massive. A Hiroshima bomb was equal to about 6.0 magnitude earthquake and a 50MT Tsar Bomba is like 8.5 magnitude.

[@aster1sk294]

​@@arttuheikkila388the epicenter for an earthquake is usually deep underground, though

[@arttuheikkila388]

@@aster1sk294 true, but if one were to blow up (sink) an island with a hydrogen bomb - i'd assume the bomb would be delivered deep underground/underwater, too

[@alclay8689]

Yeah but wouldn't an earthquake that powerful affect a pretty huge radius? 100s of miles would've felt and pinpointed it. Whearas the largest atomic blast had a 'fuck you radius' of about 30 miles

[@busslayer4790]

People have been sailing around the Gulf of Mexico for centuries. If there was an island, people would know about it. If it ever existed, maybe it was a mud volcano which tend to be short lived islands.

[@ElPalcoTigreHermano]

LMAO well, it was in all maps made by man and satellites. it vanished. is it hard to admit that your country is built on blood and cheating?

[@fortheloveofnoise]

that's probably what it was

[@jessusjimenezgonzalez5994]

@@fortheloveofnoise It was a tiny island...easy destroyable !

[@ernestsmith3581]

If it ever existed, it was either a bitumen seep or a coral reef. Some monster hurricanes have passed right over that area in the last 400 years and could have very easily removed all trace.

[@johnmca5643]

Exactly correct!

[@hectorespin6759]

Thi is bull sh***

[@mimibanales5736]

It was whipped out with the Mexican president zedillo and the USA, you are just duhh

[@Chris-lh7wj]

The Gulf is known for being pretty deep and has no volcanic activity where remote islands can sometimes occur. Pretty sure most of the islands in the gulf are fairly close to land and are more just small strips of sand. Also it seems strange that it would even be open to debate in the age of satellites.

[@ElPalcoTigreHermano]

a lot of gringos and euros coping with the fact that they are going to hell for not repenting of the blood spilling and cheating and robbery done on other countries.

[@gibbonbasher8171]

That’s what I was thinking. Why can’t we just look at some satellite imagery?

[@foreshadowing-sp5qc]

Inqtel owns Google maps 🤡

[@ElPalcoTigreHermano]

@@gibbonbasher8171 because only USA has satellite imagery that old

[@ElPalcoTigreHermano]

@@SkyGravity137 the location told by the USA? XD

[@GanzotheSecond]

As much as I dislike the CIA, I don’t think you can make an island disappear without a trace. But destroying an entire island for oil is probably the most American/CIA thing you can do lol

[@STho205]

Wanting a thing to be true does not mean it is true. Political officials are often terrible about that rule of physicality. It is just silly, and they hope nobody will check their baseless statements. If shaved off by any reason, the root of the island would still be easily found by sonar, overflights and satellite. Same if overtopped by water. Odd the other Gulf islands haven't disappeared by "global warming sea rise" itself a fantasy concocted in the 60s and 70s by the Club of Rome convention of billionaires, elaborating on Edgar Cayce's prophetic dreams decades before. It often amazes me how much societal effort and resources are aimed at billionaires pet projects and fantasies.

[@GrimReaperNegi]

I too don't believe it existed. But considering Nord Stream. It may be possible....

[@STho205]

@@GrimReaperNegi plastic explosives on a pipeline is pretty much scuba war 101. Removing an island is Superman Returns fighting Lex Luther.

[@physetermacrocephalus2209]

We as a species could absolutely destroy an entire island; the problem would be doing it in secret.

[@GanzotheSecond]

@@GrimReaperNegi exactly lol

[@Bkearing]

Was most likely a massive patch of sargasso entrapped in the GoM's loop current. The color description fits and it's easy to imagine a sailor seeing it from a distance and describing it as an island.

[@hia5235]

As if the sailors didnt know what sea grass was. lol

[@davearonow65]

​@@hia5235 I came here to say this

[@DrTzeus]

We know alot about ocean gyre islands now, so the trash of the lost civilaztions of Mexico and Southern USA could have fromed a gyre in the middle of the Gulf. Once small pox whiped out a billion people in south and central America, the gyre would go away....

[@GardenerEarthGuy]

It could have been seaweed in a gyre for so long, bird guano covered it, plants grew, making it look like land.

[@Jeff55369]

the captain said it was blonde / red ... so it might have just been red tide.

[@farangtikitungmuang]

Elaborately contrived explanation yet still plausible. I like it!

[@GardenerEarthGuy]

@@farangtikitungmuang I sailed from Key West to Veracruz thirty years ago and saw such things in The Gulf. That's what I think they saw out there...

[@farangtikitungmuang]

@@GardenerEarthGuy Always wanted to learn to sail. That sounds like an awesome trip. Mexico back then was a lot of fun, too. Thanks!

[@arposkraft3616]

as "a disoriented sailor" I can with some certainty say that the story that cartograhers would insert deliberate mistakes to prevent copying us likely, its a practise still done today, the story thats simply a different name for a rock a bit more over under another name is also likely as we arnt exactly talking gps days and even the size and coast of the gulf wasnt chartered perfectly , if it were just below sea level then the planes and research vessels would have certainly found that regardless if the cause is erosion bombs or changes in sea level

[@Fabianwew]

Why would you leave copying traps in an age where copyright infringement carried no consequences.

[@1TakoyakiStore]

I remember watching a John Green video about how he collects maps of new york from a specific company because this company has a fake road name but they change the location every year and John views it as a sort of intriguing where's waldo challenge.

[@arposkraft3616]

@@Fabianwew maps were BIG business in those days, i personally have a Atlas major Blaeu, which around the time the originals were made were some of the best maps available heavily sought after by the brits spannish portugese and others alike

[@arposkraft3616]

@@1TakoyakiStore think ive seen that, quite some time ago or maybe something like it

[@danielhurst8863]

Not only would an island be apparent, but even if the island submerged, or was blown up, this would be apparent as well. There is no method, including hydrogen bomb, that removes an island and any traces from the ocean floor. Old maps often have errors, that other repeat in their maps, and those errors can be deliberate or simply a mistake. You'll find maps with rivers across Canada, and giant lakes in the western United States, because map makers took oral history and put it on maps.

[@patvickers8189]

I have to agree. But a thought. If you look at the shelf in that area, it looks more defined than the rest of the gulf. In one spot near where the suggest the location might be, there is somewhat of a fan where the shelf sloughs off. This had to happen eons ago. The lower ends are well worn. And yet there is a higher point in the middle. So it may have existed. But it's been gone long before any modern times.

[@Slay_No_More]

I say let them think the USA is strong enough to remove islands from existence.

[@Adiscretefirm]

Haven't cartographers always included innocuous but intentional errors to catch plagiarists? Don't publishers still do that?

[@GeographyGeek]

I can’t say I’m super familiar with the history of copyright law but I don’t believe that’s the case here. Cartographers openly copied each others work then and could do little more than get angry about it. This may have been because there was no way to enforce copyright violations outside of a country’s borders though. I’ve only come across one example where copyright laws seemed to matter before the 19th century. It’s a depiction of the Sea of the West that was copied by another French cartographer and he was forced to throw away all his maps. But the issue may have been because it wasn’t made public yet because once it was there were hundreds of other maps with it. Maybe someone more informed on copyright law can comment. Edit: spelling

[@hircenedaelen]

@Geography Geek it's a thing Jay foreman did a whole episode about it

[@GeographyGeek]

@@hircenedaelen I’m aware of paper towns. Again, in my research cartographers appear to copy each other openly before the 19th century. There would be no point in using a copyright trap when there are no consequences.

[@hircenedaelen]

@Geography Geek oh, ok

[@Adiscretefirm]

@@GeographyGeek professional reputation might be an incentive to not be publicly shamed, and if the map was prepared for a specific client or nation they might have some recourse for you just copying someone else's work. Just guessing here.

[@missynorris2055]

If you study a bathymetry map of the gulf, there is a spot on the map that may represent the place were the so-called island, once existed. It lies at the edge of an underwater escarpment/shelf. It quite possible simply collapsed from the edge of the escarpment/shelf by itself, thorough weathering, storm surge or other natural phenomenon.

[@JohnDaker_singer]

Exactly.

[@captglenn100]

Bermeja Island is actually Cayo Nuevo (which is not marked on any of the old maps). It was incorrectly identified by the early explorers. And actually, the islands marked as Negrillos on that old map also do not exist.

[@drewsify552]

I think it’s either an island we already know if that was misplaced in the map, or simply never existed. It’s quite common to see large inaccuracies on old maps.

[@chamuuemura5314]

Yeah, even in the videos it shows up in different places with varying numbers of other islands around it. It’s amazing nowadays how people can unironically believe that the CIA was incapable of a single remote bomb on a pipeline near Norway, yet could have dropped dozens of nukes on remote islands near Mexico. Look at the Bikini Atoll damage and how many bombs they’d need. Plus, the Mexican government surveyors couldn’t find anything remotely resembling an island. Next guess is climate change, fr? That’s amazingly precise climate change to raise the seas 1000 feet only on 1 island.

[@TribleNerd]

I love when people claim "The government did it" like I work for the government. We can't get pens or pencils without 4-6 months of paper work and begging.

[@GeographyGeek]

😂

[@GhostScout42]

you have a shitty supply guy then. units and things the gov cares about gets done.

[@SticksNStones616]

I did too and to act like "erased history" this isn't possible is complete bs. You obviously do because that statement is exactly what someone in there would say to push the narrative further. If you do then you know there are constantly truths being revealed left and right about so called misinformation or hush protocols.

[@redzuanhashim1193]

Nope..area 51 did it 😎 diddy oil

[@highseasmarinediaz493]

I've passed right through the center of the gulf of Mexico several times and there's no island there. Is doesn't even get shallow enough for an island to have been there.

[@GrabbaBeer]

Yeah it does, it shows one on google earth partially submerged

[@highseasmarinediaz493]

@@GrabbaBeer wrong! That's not the center of the gulf. Closest land in the center of the gulf is a mile straight down.

[@GrabbaBeer]

@@highseasmarinediaz493 nope. Wrong. The island wasn’t depicted in the center, it was depicted above the Yucatán peninsula

[@brotherryan6265]

Maybe the cartographers in the 16th century could have made a mistake. The same maps that show the island also show inaccurate depictions of the Yucatán peninsula. As maps evolve, they generally become more accurate.

[@skylerrutherford9870]

I do not put shit past the US government but that does seem like a bit much

[@samanthasebastian5450]

I’m a bit late but still watched it 💪🏻 amazing video keep up the great work!

[@GeographyGeek]

Thank you!

[@BrentDeJong]

Sounds like a map publisher's watermark that they included a story about for extra effect lol

[@gardinerb2]

Being in us navy Station in Texas we did alot of training and sailing though the gulf of Mexico and alot in the area they saying that the island at and I will tell you there nothing but blue water out in that area.

[@robertcromwell9736]

The island was actually where the fountain of youth was located :)

[@STho205]

Keith Richards found it. Really? Does it look like Keith Richards found it?

[@michael-e2e4c]

could be

[@redzuanhashim1193]

Fountain of oil to be stolen 😎

[@Nicole33109]

They should do sonar stuff there to see if there was an island there.

[@nyag1337]

Wouldn’t matter. International law states that if an island cannot support human life then it doesn’t qualify to have its own EEZ

[@alanoranday4448]

​@@nyag1337 At least for scientific reasons, it should matter!

[@DavidInMonroe318]

I'd hazard to guess the topology undersea in the gulf of Mexico is fairly well known

[@mikeholland1031]

They did. Did you watch the vid?

[@mitchellm90]

Fishermen would know. Exxon would know

[@RunsWithScissorsSenior]

It was a salt dome that subsided? A blob of Sargasso seaweed? Red tide viewed from the deck of a ship during an air inversion (mirage)?

[@rubennunes708]

Red tide - Bermeja is suspiciously close to Vermelha in portuguese, in spanish they would say Roja today, but its basically called "Red island".

[@CaptainSeamus]

Weird how Google Earth has what looks to be a crater at the location...

[@SunofYork]

The only reason the Bounty mutineers were able to successfully hole up on their own island (Pitcairn), is that it was in the wrong place on the Admiralty maps.

[@JohnDaker_singer]

What is the depth of the Gulf in that area? If it’s relatively deep for the Gulf (+\- 200 feet), the island probably never existed as the Gulf of Mexico is a fairly shallow and consistent body of water. If it’s relatively shallow in that area, the sand was probably washed away in a hurricane.

[@againstalltyrants9001]

An island that was seen two times in two years 500 years ago? No way it could just be an inaccuracy, must be a nuke.

[@cplinstructor]

Cartographers used to deliberately include errors as a form of copy protection, since they knew the error existed and it appeared on someone else’s map then they could prove that someone else copied their work.

[@stararmory6994]

The Aliens built a base there and are using a cloaking device to hide it

[@let88it88be]

Did the CIA erase an island? TLDW: no

[@davidvaughan3771]

Google earth shows an area right where its supposed to be on the maps, it looks mostly submerged with a few small areas above water, north of Merida Mexico

[@lc1102]

Yes I think they dug out the island humans been making artificial islands and land bridges since BC era

[@davidbroughall3782]

Look at the original map. Not exactly to scale, is it? Very likely it's an existing island that was placed in the wrong location by the mapmaker. Either that, or it never existed, which is also a feature of maps of that era that put lakes and inland seas where none existed.

[@Nicole33109]

We would know by now because of satellite images.

[@gustavojoserodriguez7475]

🤣😂

[@Fummy007]

They had satellite images back then. First satellite was 1957 after all.

[@anitox]

If you look at this location on Google Earth, there are multiple tiny islands. The largest one has about 6 or so buildings on it including a long dock with boats.

[@Chuck8541]

True. But remember it’s not a secret, but many govts of the world openly collude with Google Maps to mask/hide/remove/blur sensitive locations, so I would‘nt necessarily rely on this as solid evidence.

[@ralphholiman7401]

That's Mexican Navy outpost.

[@markdoty1213]

If that island was there it would have been a resort long ago.

[@D.S.handle]

Bermeja obviously exists. I’m writing this from there.

[@GeographyGeek]

Please share your coordinates

[@adrianbacon9223]

Maybe the island you are looking for is now called the middle grounds. It is an under water uplift east of Tampa Florida in the gulf.

[@TheRealDrJoey]

Really plausible theories they came up with...an H-Bomb?!

[@ChrisNoonetheFirst]

Aliens!

[@TheRealDrJoey]

@@ChrisNoonetheFirst Of course! And they never even considered it.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Lol

[@KaiserFrazer67]

Biggest problem with a nuke big enough to blow up an island is that there's absolutely NO WAY it would have gone unnoticed by anyone on any shore in the Gulf of Mexico, or the entire Caribbean for that matter. Certainly the Soviets would have been alerted to it through their own seismic sensors and satellite data. Read about the devastation that happened when Krakatoa exploded and how far away that blast was seen and heard. I knew the Mexican education system leaves a lot to be desired (worse than even the American system, if you can wrap your head around that!), but for their professors of ALL people to think that a nuke big enough to take out even a small island would go unnoticed takes it to another entire level... SMFH.

[@tedlogan4867]

2 Things about ancient mapmakers. Most of the early maps were part of military expeditions, and so the maps were military assets. It is mentioned in this video that it was common practice to falsify certain aspects of maps to deceive those who might capture the maps. Furthermore, false islands and other places were intentionally included in maps as a sort of trademark or copyright including distinct features that are not real so that the original mapmaker would know if another map claimed to have been produced by a new expedition for example, and therefore worth more money on the market, was nothing more than a counterfeit of their map.

[@ralphholiman7401]

That's a really good theory. King: "How do you know this mapmaker counterfeited your map and didn't explore the area himself?" Mapmaker: "Because ,the idiot included the made up island I put on the map to trap people like him when they copied my map."

[@tedlogan4867]

@@ralphholiman7401 I read it somewhere in a book about historical cartography.

[@5-Sigma]

The sea level has not changed 1 bit. I live in Florida next to the beach my whole life. The waves hit the same spot on rocks/seawalls/pillars as they did when I was a kid 40 years ago. Prove me wrong.

[@Richard-mh5ll]

Truth! I grew up in the 1960’s in Newport Rhode Island. Just about lived on fishing boats for decades.On the old stone pier footings there are high and low tide markings that go back hundreds of years. They are the same as today’s tides. When some idiots are preaching global warming/climate change I point this out. And they still come back with their BS claims. It’s about control of the people and money all lies…Pisses me off that they are teaching kids this crap…

[@mikeyoung9810]

I imagine it's alot easier to make a mistake like this back in the 16th or 17th centuries than it would be now so I'm guessing it never existed. If they've done extension scans they must know what the bottom is like under the ocean so the lack of any kind of rise (if that's the case) would pretty much lead to that it was always a mistake on maps and that was copied onto later maps.

[@rustyshackleford4438]

If the island disappeared due to global warming then the entire American coastline in the gulf would be 40 to 100 miles more in land because its only a few feet above sea level.

[@Nicole33109]

Anyway, how would they just get rid of it? it must be Aliens!

[@GeographyGeek]

Yes lol

[@carlitosol]

usaliens lol

[@redzuanhashim1193]

Alien the oil stealer 😎

[@Spoeism]

Could’ve been a Paper Town to safeguard against Plagiarism

[@AhuzacosConlang]

Well there is Isla Barmeja, but thats referring to something different. But Barmeja is the technical spelling of said Phantom Island.

[@dan8910100]

it was just some cartographers trap island that never existed. although i do like the thought that the usa is so omnipotent and powerful that they can make islands disappear. the gulf has to be 3 or 4 kilometers deep at the location. way to deep for coral to grow, and it would take more then just removing the top to remove evidence it existed.

[@WeyounSix]

I genuinely think it was a different nearby island and somebody got confused and it snowballed lmao

[@FELiPES101]

It's just as easy to believe that because a bunch of important people looked like a bunch of idiots believing an island was theirs that never existed. Of course they are going to blame the big neighbor for their misjudgement to save face.

[@Gallo2023]

What about the old maps? just drop a few bombs and make it disappear, that's most likely what happened, the big neighbor with big bombs and big airplanes, top secret stuff, nobody knows, nobody knew.

[@letitgrow1846]

My guess would be that hurricanes have wiped it out over the years. Between natural erosion and tropical disturbances it wouldn't be that odd for a small island to be swept away in such a volatile region.

[@ralphholiman7401]

Except that the GOM is thousands of feet deep where this island was supposed to have been. No hurricane can do that.

[@curlyjoe4234]

A little weird that right about where it sits on Google Maps there's a big ass crater underwater

[@mrkilo-g8794]

Yup, I believe the US destroyed it

[@jigold22571]

There is a continental plate there..

[@sendeth]

It's like 10,000 ft deep right there. South of that area along the coast of Mexico, it's around 300 ft deep or so. But just north of that once you go off the shelf, it gets very very deep.

[@meteorman6167]

1990s? Surely there are satellite images of the island from previous years

[@PlayingWithFireOutdoors]

Ask people why lots of islands were deleted to allow for cargo vessels in the alaska canada border area

[@mybirds2525]

The location is in an abyss nearly 11,000 feet deep. It didn't just disappear. Probably a map error

[@evok74]

Cartographera used to make fake islands to see if other cartographers were copying them a So it may have not even existed

[@Keith_KC8TCQ]

what happened to it? well. it could be like many islands, it could have eroded away from wind/wave action from tropical storms and hurricanes. Many coastal communities spend a LOT money rebuilding their beaches and dunes after hurricanes because of the wind and waves wash the sand away. If you look closer to the Yucatan Peninsula, on google earth you can see where some islands that were there are basically nothing left but reefs as the part that was above water has eroded.

[@luiul1]

did anyone ask jack sparrow?

[@wrendevault7257]

Lol

[@alternavent]

Pretty sure they would have found it physically before this century or even the late 1900’s. It never existed.

[@GeographyGeek]

I agree

[@pyrotechnick420]

22°06'55.4"N 91°23'21.0"W This is an interesting spot that's pretty much in the same area where the island has been on the maps.

[@bd______og]

The bomb theory doesnt make sense because that would have caused a tidal wave, which would have been noticed 😆

[@ice9594]

Yes, and the explosion would have registered on seismographs. Also, the area would still be radioactive.

[@buddyroeginocchio9105]

I have an atlas published ca. 1905 which shows Bermaja in this approximate location. In parenthesis it notes (to USA).

[@xflemax4157]

How do people find tows,city’s,islands ect ect that were erased from the map?

[@bxdanny]

There have been other islands shown on maps that turned out not to exist. There are good satellite images of Earth from the 1980s, before the discussions about oil rights in the 1990s. Does this island show up in any if them? I expect not.

[@grahamkearnon6682]

Photography arrived in the 1860's and, yet no photographs.

[@jf8461]

I’m leaning towards a massive geological upheaval. Because I seem to see a LOT of other little islands on those old maps (and other geographical differences) besides that particular one. This one has particular interest because of it’s location with respect to oil rights.

[@GrabbaBeer]

Entire islands and barrier islands get erased all the time by tropical storms and hurricanes. This could have easily been the cause.

[@Trizzer89]

Every time the answer is that the map maker put it in there to catch copycats

[@GeographyGeek]

John Green taught everyone what a paper town is. Now everyone thinks this is the answer to everything.

[@PotatoMASHjack]

Don’t we have satellites?

[@dutchman7623]

Mexico doesn't... And on US satellite photos it doesn't show up, how convenient... Neither does area 51...

[@Aynonemouse]

There is red island atoll just a bit further south. Its visible on Google. That's probably it. Just mapped incorrectly.

[@jeffdege4786]

How far from where this island is supposed to be and Scorpion Reef?

[@braddeyoung8701]

So there isn't any satellite image ever taken of the island?

[@Fummy007]

No, its only on century old maps.

[@Hjgfrfjufdetivjiu]

How exactly do you make an island to dissapear

[@diegoarce490]

There is an island about a mile south of the Delta of the Mississippi. You can see it by plane. It is habitat by thousands of birds. I always thought that it was formed by the dirt brought from the river. Maybe ? It is shallow and about the side of a football stadium

[@steelontarget]

When you find it, attach an air tag.

[@Emankind]

What about all those other islands shown on the old maps?

[@nathanbyd570]

its on Google Maps, Northwest of Merida, Yucatan Mexico

[@sealy3]

Is it possible that the first cartographer to map the area used a "ghost island" (a landmark that does not exist) to act as copy right protection of the map? like a secret watermark. And all the others just copied the original work. Until some modern cartographer made a modern map with no ghost island on it.

[@Fummy007]

It didnt vanish, it simply never existed at all like all the phantom islands.

[@BootlegFuryUW]

1:48 that’s one of the reasons the limits of EEZs where not drawn using old maps.

[@spookyskelly5276]

There are many islands on old maps that never existed. Brasil was supposedly an island off the coast of Ireland that never existed.

[@JamesJones-cx5pk]

We can see ocean floor relief on Google maps. It has been clearly charted for years. That would be a great hump and a great spot to fish.

[@TerryCheever]

Busslayer is right, It most likely was a red mud volcano of which the sea always reclaims in a few months at most.

[@kcstafford2784]

How was the golf formed???

[@willfriar8054]

we should be looking at Old maps of the Florida keys. dozens of islands have grown and gone away. civil war-era maps created by the military were pretty accurate. some of those islands are gone already.

[@tribudeuno]

In the famous story of the HMS Bounty and its mutiny, Pitcaran Island was found by the mutineers, and was observed that the island was wrongly charted on all maps of the British Navy, making it an ideal place for the mutineers to hide from their pursuers. The fate of the mutineers was not known for quite sometime, until after - I believe - all the original mutineers had died, leaving only their descendants.

[@smokymcpot5917]

Someone would notice a natural disasters but they miss a nucleur explosion. In pretty sure someone would have noticed a mushroom cloud in the sky. Lol

[@monkeymedia8681]

T find it hard to believe that any map makers personally verified the contents of the maps they created.

[@alreadydeadal]

There are many sea sand accumulations that create islands. My theory points that a hurricane (which are quite common) could have just washed it away.

[@Distress.]

That part of the gulf is too deep

[@garrettspivey]

No one has ever been able to find this island in recorded history.

[@RighAlban]

Same goes with the island of high Brasil, appearances on maps for centuries but not there.

[@LuciferMornStar]

Problem with this is that any island out in the gulf was blasted into infinity 65 million years ago when a 10mile wide asteroid drove a dagger in the heart of the dinosaur. So when the fellow made that map was mistaken about it's position. He was barely close enough to call it a map!

[@itsrin868]

okay so where are the people that used to live there and what about the ports? how does a caribbean island vanish and no one notices? bullshit it never existed

[@JacobAAllen]

It never existed, it was probably some sailor looking at a massive seaweed float. Since it was described as reddish. Or like Sandy Island in the Pacific that still shows up on Google maps and does not exist.

[@jasonmabie1770]

Ironically, if you use Google earth and zoom in, there are some islands that show up out of nowhere I always wondered what they were when I was looking on in the golf there

[@darubicon1501]

It would be far from the first "paper island"! Particularly since the color implied by the name would be very unusual for that region. If I'm wrong, it was all that remained of Chicxulub before recovery by the Nahuatl star voyagers.

[@SouthwestSky]

The island does exist, but it was just confused with another existing island.

[@TheJHMAN1]

One does not lose an island in an area as well traveled as the gulf of Mexico.