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[@iCoolaxe]

Finland would never try to ”re-claim” Karelia, because unlike our eastern neighbor we prefer to avoid starting wars which cause needless pain and suffering.

[@spectralcoffee5177]

its about time we reclaim it from the mongols

[@MWENDA-vv5im]

You people collaborated with Nazi Germany! You are the worst of the worst.

[@bojanpalink5471]

The Finns are either so naive or so stupid that they have always been a political weapon in foreign hands....now they have joined NATO....and now we are watching documentaries and warmongering about Karelia...so why are you so stupid ,that they would like to plunge the whole world into a nuclear war.......damned fools.

[@Corazon-y5k]

When I talk to Finnish nationalists, they tell me something completely different. They generally don't mind killing and evicting Russians from Karelia.

[@iCoolaxe]

@@Corazon-y5k Not sure where you found these ”nationalists”, but they most certainly are a tiny insignificant group of people.

[@miiiikku]

Finland in 1993 - Maybe we should ask for Karelia back 2003 - We should had asked for Karelia back 2023 - Thank god we didn't ask for Karelia back

[@Davey-Boyd]

This!

[@cainthulaz1]

I faintly recall a clip where Tarja Halonen and Putin were at a conference where Halonen was asking for the return of Karelia. To this, Putin replied that even discussing this subject could worsen the ties between the two countries. The topic was never brought back again.

[@roberthoyt7921]

After 2023 - Karelia declares independence from Moscow as the 'Republic of East Karelia' as Russia descends into a full-scale civil war following Putin's ill-fated decision to invade Ukraine

[@2SSSR2]

@@roberthoyt7921 Never going to happen because, like in case of Pakistan, nobody wants nuclear Somalia. If Putin is ever to be ousted from power US and everyone else would see that Russia remain whole and being ruled by new, maybe democratic, Government. But that is IF Russia lose the war in Ukraine, we will see in 20 years how they do.

[@JUAN_OLIVIER]

They are in NATO so they can ask

[@enclave0fficer858]

Most real karelians fled to finland and Stalin sent people from all over Russia to Karelia. Culture and region was thus mostly destroyed and the Culture mostly lives on at the finnish side of Karelia.

[@kanssamatkustaja]

Can be fixed easily

[@wurzel9671]

@@kanssamatkustaja ethnic cleansing an "easy fix" for you?

[@MrAceCraft]

Whoa! This sounds like tauting!

[@mrobocop1666]

@@Maelli535 you don't understand that Eastern Karelians are Orthodox Christians since XIII century when there wasn't even Finnish statehood and thus closer culturally to Russians than to Lutheran Western Karelians and Finns. Even if you deport everyone else, due to big cultural gap native Karelians, culturally closer to Russians will be hostile toward modern pro-feminist pro-LG BT pro-transgender Finns.

[@othellox1064]

@@Maelli535 lets finish the finnish people instead.

[@statostheman]

On the 6th of december 1939, of the beginning of the Battle of Kollaa, my dads family had to flee from their Village in the Karelian Ishtmus. Ironically, it was also the same day as the Finlands Independence day.

[@markiyanhapyak349]

How many dads did You have...‽ 🤔 🤨

[@peterhumphrys]

@@markiyanhapyak349 one, "dads" is missing the apostrophe only: "dad's",, my friend's father also fought in that war, Russia has not changed its tactics of attacking civilians and exterminating them/forcing them to flee from lands which Russia plans to seize. One of the many sad ironies of the Winter War with massive Soviet "Russian" casualities is that many of the Russian conscripts were Ukrainians So Ukraianians can now die fighting Russia/Moscow for their freedom, or likely later as Moscow's cannon fodder conscripts! Rus Putinum exercitum delenda est!

[@markiyanhapyak349]

1) NEVER miss apostrophes[ They are for a reason | without anything changes]! 2) NO respect for demons!!! -Russia,Russian…- → *russia,russian…!!!*

[@valter209]

do u mean ur dads grandparents needed to flee from karjalla??

[@statostheman]

@@valter209 Yes, the soldiers came so close to the house that they left the bread in oven. IT was known as "The Battle of Taipale". Many our family died on the strike.

[@enigma1221]

The population of Karelia is 527,821 but the total number of Karelians in the world is 88,850

[@pr7049]

In addition in Tver there are approximately 200 000 karelinians and in Finland approx. 1,5 million have karelinian ancestry ie are karelinians.

[@christianheikkonen]

A bit misleading saying ”total number of Karelian in the whole world” because there are a lot of Karelians in Finland without identifying to Karelian ethnicity.

[@АндрейП-у1ю]

Also in Russia many Karelians are mixed with Russians and identify as Russians.

[@Anonym.sghwbdv]

@@christianheikkonen if they dont identify as karelians they arent

[@mrobocop1666]

@@Anonym.sghwbdv even those who have strong Karelian identity, they are Orthodox Christians, culturally closer to Russians, than to Lutheran Western Karelians and Finns, so they aren't in favour of modern pro-feminist, pro-LG BT, pro-transgender Finns.

[@alehaim]

There was a mistake at 3:57, as Petrozavodsk was never the capital of the Autonomous Grand Duchy of Finland and instead Turku functioned as Finland's capital until the finishing of the construction of Helsinki as a city worthy of being a capital. The Map of pre 1939 Finnish borders is missing the lower half of the Petsamo arm, which would also have much of the border be a straight line on the Russian/Soviet side

[@ГеннадийШуплецов-р8п]

Finland has no legal rights to Karelia because Karelia has never been part of Finland.

[@Eppu_Paranormaali]

You mean Petrozavodsk never was a part of Finland, although occupied during continuation war. He said nothing about capital cities of Finland. However Petrozavodsk is the capital of the Republic of Karelia.

[@ГеннадийШуплецов-р8п]

@user-bz8jy9vf3w Аляска и часть Калифорнии находились в собственности Российской государственной компании. Это владение по факту. Первыми европейцами посетившими Аляску 21 августа 1732 года, были члены команды русского корабля «Св. Гавриил» под началом геодезиста М. С. Гвоздева и подштурмана И. Фёдорова в ходе экспедиции А. Ф. Шестакова и Д. И. Павлуцкого 1729-1735 годов. C 9 июля 1799 по 18 октября 1867 года Аляска с прилегающими к ней островами находилась под управлением государственной "Русско-американской компании". Мы её продали и не жалеем об этом.

[@ГеннадийШуплецов-р8п]

@@Eppu_Paranormaali Warsaw, Sofia, Bucharest, Budapest, Vienna, Berlin and Paris were also under Russian occupation for some time. As winners, we could leave our military bases there, as the United States does. But the Russians withdrew their troops from there, left all these states sovereign.

[@Eppu_Paranormaali]

@@ГеннадийШуплецов-р8п I commented at Ale Haim. I don't know what you're up to with your unrelated whataboutism but Soviets did leave military presence in many of those countries, especially in Berlin for decades, and when Hungarians decided to be sovereign in 1956, USSR rolled the tanks to Budapest too.

[@molodoy_suetnoy]

I am from russian Karelia, Petrozavodsk. We are feeling ourselves like russians and don't have independence movement at all, but before 2022 war we had close connections with Finland. A lot of people immigrated to it or trip every year for tourism and shopping.

[@andriyshepard3095]

are you even of karelian or finish ethnicity?

[@molodoy_suetnoy]

@@andriyshepard3095 Russian, only 1 of my grandgrandparents was karelian

[@vaenii5056]

Karelian independence movement is buried in Siberia or ditched into mass graves. That's where you'll find it. 😄

[@kempinenPC]

there was never really any independence movement except the republic of uhtua. the karelians are orthodox which makes them closer to the russians in terms of mentality. @@vaenii5056

[@ariandasavignani3281]

You can speak for yourself only, not the others

[@Maysti87]

My fathers side family had to flee from Kareli (sortavala) to Finland during WW2

[@xKuukkelix]

same. my grandma is somewhere from Laatokan Karjala (dont remember the place name) and her family was forced to flee when she was very young. my great grandpa visited the place during välirauha but orcs had raided and burned their farmstead.

[@kewintaylor7056]

@@xKuukkelix Many yrs have pass,orcs still being orcs. Orcs will never change cuz they have orcommunism.😂

[@lentavahollantilainen7088]

Meiänki sukuu joutu lähtee Viipurista

[@FrostWolfPack]

Same my fathers side, My now past away grandmother was Karelian.

[@samuelattas3864]

On my mothers side my family left Uusikirko and Kanneljärvi....

[@PaulV.]

The title is misleading. Its not like Finland ever in the last 75 years had means or opportunities to take back Karelia regardless of their desires short of some theoretical discussions. Russia even at its weakest in the mid-90s didnt even agree to cede Kuril Islands back to Japan despite that territories have much more complicated legal status and Japanese have an official government policy aimed on returning them.

[@christianheikkonen]

In the 90s Russia offered Karelia to Finland in fear of rising separatism. President Mauno Koivisto refused to buy Karelia.

[@PaulV.]

@christianheikkonen fake story invented by Finnish yellow press similar to one in German newspaper about some second tier diplomat who was approached by some inknown Russian general with an offer to buy Konigsberg. There is not a single official source that can be found to confirm any of that.

[@xKuukkelix]

@@christianheikkonen yeah like whats even the point? russia has permanently ruined karelia and destroyed its people, culture and language. it wont come back even if we return karelia. instead we would just get bunch of orcs and infrastructure that might as well be from the middle ages

[@AURORAFIELDS]

considering how poorly Russia is doing in the Ukraine war, very reasonably Finland would have had a great chance at just going to war for Karelia in the past 20 odd years. But to go to war just for some small amount of territory after so many decades and poor management by Russia? hardly seems worth the effort

[@m1k1a1]

@@AURORAFIELDS "Hardly seems worth the effort"? Shaking my head here. War is not a fucking computer game. Ukraine is defending well, but the human cost is beyond imaginable. And such aggression and attack on a sovereign country would have immediately put Finland in the same club where Russia is now. The North Korea of Europe.

[@digenesakritas]

Would love to visit Karelia one day to pay my respect to St.Sergius and St.Germanus who established the Valamo☦️ monastery. Its such a beautiful area there. Karelia could be the spa capital of Russia with winter tourism, banya's/sauna's etc. So much natural beauty with all the lakes

[@DIOS-M]

Karelia is a beautiful place, but the weather there is very capricious. It will be difficult to attract tourists to this area. Moreover, there are similar and more easily accessible places with developed infrastructure in Russia.

[@digenesakritas]

@@DIOS-M Please give me an example which areas are better suited for tourism that have a similar topography as Karelia with better infrastructure

[@DIOS-M]

@@digenesakritas In order for me to advise you something, I need to know what exactly attracts you. There are a huge number of places in Russia that may be interesting for tourism. Here you can find almost everything: volcanoes, geysers, forests, seas, waterfalls, canyons. Only we don't have a tropical zone, except for the subtropics. The country is large, and everything I described above is scattered over a vast territory. From warm Sochi to distant capricious but fabulous Kamchatka.

[@digenesakritas]

@@DIOS-M why capricious, cause the weather changes so fast? If someone came to Russia for the first time, what would you advise them to see if they only had 2 weeks.

[@DIOS-M]

To be honest, I do not know what is better to advise. I like to relax in nature, as far away from people as possible, so I just go to the forest. As far away from cities as possible

[@Makrateli]

My great grandmother was from Karelia (lahdenpohja). She married a Russian man in 1916 when she was 16 years old and moved to Saint Petersburg. Never heard her speak Karelian - only Russian - and looks like she forgot the language completely. After 1940 all of her remaining relatives left for Finland and she was able to reclaim her old home after the war. Maybe because her husband by that time became a factory manager and had some weight. Later they left the home to a distant Karelo-Russian cousin and moved to Leningrad for good. She died aged 92 and wanted to be buried in Karelia. Us, her descendants, moved to other cities and countries, I personally never visited lahdenpohja and as far as I know her grave was demolished 10 years after our last distant relative there has died and the grave became “untended” or something. Karelian culture is completely foreign to me but it still amusing to know that you have a drop of that blood.

[@LebowskiDudeful]

Karelian culture is quite similar to Sami, the only indigenous people in Europe. And that is not too different from being a sweatlodging Navajo. One must be very natural, even the language reflects that. Grounding oneself daily with nature is a good start.

[@sifridbassoon]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[@lanamack1558]

Your great grandmother would not have totally forgotten her mother tongue. With the brutal ruzzification of its occupied territories she would have suppressed it to avoid problems.

[@Zanna_pr]

думаю,что Ваша прабабушка перенесла все тяготы войны,и может быть даже блокады Ленинграда, потому что она вернулась в этот город, она не могла уже по другому, война всё расставила на свои места - чужие стали среди своих,а свои среди чужих.И поэтому Вам сейчас "забавно,что чуждая карельская" кровь в Вас есть.Вечная память Вашей прабабушке и низкий ей поклон.

[@ekesandras1481]

@@LebowskiDudeful I don't like this definition of "indigenous". Why shouldn't all the other European ethnic groups not be called indigenous, only because they advanced more technologically?

[@dmitriymorozov2680]

Actually, you can not name the life of gulag prisoners somewhere at the edge of the world somewhat "normal". First of all they were unlawfully displaced, repressed and humiliated by the soviet machine.

[@angrycat9715]

Hello everyone, I am Karelian, I live in Petrozavodsk in the capital of Karelia, I wish everyone good and love ❤️

[@Juhani96]

hello, from fasisct finland as u call us :D take care

[@angrycat9715]

@@Juhani96 cringe

[@Juhani96]

@@angrycat9715 just facts

[@markkujantunen8298]

@@Juhani96 Angry Cat wasn't calling anyone fascist. No need to be rude to him/her.

[@god6384]

@@markkujantunen8298 Angry cat inadvertently supports imperialistic Russia's invasion of Ukraine killing 500.000's of its own soldiers and ukrainians by not protesting against Putin and the kremlin fascist regime right now

[@emiiliaolausson5559]

There is a mistake in the beginning lines of the video, stating that Finland would have taken over parts of Russia by including Finnish Karelia when declaring independency in 1917. This is not true, as those parts of Karelia had been an integral part of the autonomous Grand Duchy of Finland during all of its existence under Russian Empire. Previously these parts of Karelia were part of the Kingdom of Sweden, as Finland formed the eastern part of that kingdom. The border between Sweden/Finland and Russia fluctuated during the centuries before 1809, due to several wars between Sweden and Russia. However, all of Karelia retained its people, language and culture all the way through wars, troops passing by and borders changing. The poems of the Finnish national epos Kalevala were mostly collected from different parts of Karelia. Not before the Soviet rule and Stalin's deportations Karelia lost its soul and strangers moved in. The formerly beautiful thriving city of Viborg /Viipuri is now mostly a slum, and rural areas are mostly abandoned wastelands. This is what happens when a vital area of a country is forcibly taken by an invader who has no need nor love for that piece of land.

[@surgeon9039]

Its ok to be delusional as right now main source of energy in Finnish house is burned Italian waste and garbage. Did you ever visit Vyborg? Or was in any Karelian village? Its not an ubranized region, but unlike US Russia is not exterminating natives. During Stalin leadership there were massive relocation of people, sadly, but then Krhuschev made it possible for every native to get back. Please, try to operate facts, not the delusions and libtard propaganda

[@alexanderkontulainen8748]

Slum? Seriously? I visit Vyborg every year and see a lot of positive changes there. The issue of these lands lies in security and in the economy. With the expansion of NATO in this direction, Vyborg, alas, will not become more pleasant for people from Russia to visit it, but who cares? I perfectly understand why videos like this are being created right now. And I perfectly understand why such an image of Russia as a historically barbaric aggressor is drawn nowadays. If you carefully study the ultimatum in 1939 from the Soviets, you will find that Vyborg was not included in this security zone. But it seemed to Finland that, bending under a mild ultimatum, everything would only get worse. As part ingrian and part russian, I feel connected to these lands, where I live. You represent the inhabitants of the modern territories of these lands as stupid, weak-willed lackeys. That is your right. But do not be surprised that after such one-sided passages, a part of the population outside the EU and NATO considers you simply hypocritical ignoramuses.

[@emiiliaolausson5559]

@@alexanderkontulainen8748 it is by now a well-established historical fact that the goal of Soviet Union was to conquer and annex all of Finland. (Molotov-Ribbentrop pact) It is therefore meaningless to claim that at the end Finland lost more land than SU demanded. If they only wanted 5 villages and not Viborg, why attack throughout the whole border from south to north? Why continue the attack after those 5 villages were taken? Why practice for a victory parade in Helsinki? Your claim is simply a silly part of Russian misinformation campaign. As for Viipuri not being mostly a slum, I understand you might have a different frame of reference. At any case, I'm glad if you care for and appreciated the town. Both of my grandparents originate from the area. BTW I have never accused the present inhabitants of Karelia or Viborg to be stupid or lazy.

[@paavoilves5416]

@@alexanderkontulainen8748 "as a historically barbaric aggressor is drawn nowadays"... Russia is drawing it by itself. Countries near Russia want to join NATO so that they don't have to go through what Ukraine is going through currently. We've been there once and don't care to be there again. I'm from the Finnish South Karelia, we used to be culturally the same with Viipuri when it was part of Finland. I visited it a couple years back and it was sad to watch, buildings crumbling everywhere and roads were in quite bad condition, old ladies trying their best to sell handmade stuff to tourists in the parking lots. I wish they didn't have it so bad, they deserve better. Also Emiilia isn't calling the inhabitants stupid, where in the hell did you get that from?

[@alexanderkontulainen8748]

You saying blabla about threats, but warsaw pact was gone, and Russia was in a bad shape. The expansion began, and now I see NATO right on the border of my region. This is a tricky liberal mantra, you repeating many years. I saw only some builndins in Viipuri in a bad condition. Did you visited Alvar Aalto public library? I do. Well, it's not looking like barbarian state is managing it. I won't continue this conversation anymore. I live on my land, and I see that ancestors on both sides made their mistakes. But there was also "historical truth" on both sides. As for Ukraine, there will be time, when true architectors of these tragedy will be revealed. And there will be persons from other part of Atlantic. Some of them are very pleased how eastern slavs are hating each other now.

[@okaro6595]

People who lived in the borders of Finland 1811-1939 were just Finns even though they were Karelians so saying Karelians and Finns is strange. Very few actual Karelians from the Eastern Karelia moved into Finland after the Continuation war. There would have been a possibility for Karelia to become Independent at the breakup of the Soviet Union as from 1940 to 1956 it was a separate Karelo-Finnish SSR but as Soviets had abandoned the idea of conquering Finland it was abolished and joined to the Russian SSR. Had it continued it would have become independent. There is no Karelian qurestion. The idea of getting it back would be insane as one would get 200 000 Russians and then Russia would get an interest in getting involved in our affairs like in Georgia and Ukraine.

[@peagames2002]

Very few 'actual' karelians fled from east doesn't beat the statement that a lot of people fled there, finns and karelians alike.

[@1mol831]

They could just deport all the Russians if so… if they are going to invade

[@kanssamatkustaja]

Assuming that the area is "reclaimed" then the removal of the 200,000 settler-colonialists is completely logical, justified and possible. Although we did not possess Karelia in 1939, Russia still launched a brutal invasion. We did not possess it in 1808 either but they made a genocidal attack regardless. If we did have Karelia then it would serve as an incredibly powerful buffer zone against Russian aggression.

[@Maelli535]

@@kanssamatkustaja Agree, but Russsian aggression is going to be broken soon - it has to be.

[@ЮрийМоисеенко-ц9о]

@@kanssamatkustaja Idiots don't need to know how Finland was formed in the first place. The idiots don't need to know how Finns were treated in Sweden. Idiots do not know how much the Russian Empire did to develop the territory. Idiots don't know how the communists of Finland were drowned in blood during the revolution. Idiots do not need to know how the border was determined after the collapse of the Russian Empire. Idiots don't know that Stalin offered to exchange territories in order to secure Leningrad. Idiots think the Winter War was unprovoked. They are confident that they won that war and they are not embarrassed that the country has lost significant territories. Finland is an ally of Hitler, the Finns starved Leningrad, but the aggressor is the Russians, this is understandable. The Finnish economy took off thanks to its unique position between the West and the Soviet bloc. Now it's all destroyed. Entrepreneurs were forced to quit profitable business and leave Russia with billions of dollars in losses. The country was cut off from accessible, cheap resources. Now Finland is not a trade route from west to east, but a European dead end. And here I am reading the arguments of a snotty strategist, what to do with the 200,000 population of Corelia. Heal you fool.

[@Soothammer69]

No! As a fin i dont what Karelia back. There is russian antimidas touch. Everything they touch turns to shit. Also there is russians what we dont want more to Finland so next leader can "save" them.

[@suissais4732]

We are in nato why would they invade

[@christianheikkonen]

We can always deport the Russians away.

[@antonh1709]

@@suissais4732 Are you sure NATO will even last? Keep in mind - today's NATO is solely the project of Biden's clique. This is their mostly ideological construct. Does someone really intend to defend anyone else in this alliance? There is no legal obligation like that anywhere - it's just "all other nations send aid they deem necessary" (sure, we deem necessary to send you 3 sacks of rice). And members of the clique are in 80-90 years of age. As for younger American leaders - the next generation of Democrats is Camala Harris, who cares predominantly about gender identity. Republican leadership doesn't really need it and has no desire to enter into what's going on in Europe. Plus, the USA has USD 33 trillion of debt, trillion dollar deficits and will soon enough have to retreat back to its own continent to solve their own huge problems. So will this NATO be around in 6 years, after the second term of Biden? Nobody knows, maybe even not. But relations with Russia are destroyed for decades.

[@zer0homer]

Antimidas touch had me in stitches.

[@epiccrusadr8583]

You could just deport the russians

[@ilmatar6608]

We already have South Karelia and North Karelia. No need for a bunch of additional land with zero Finns or Karelians in it.

[@rapermini3467]

Better take russian immigrants to Finland . Diversity is strength

[@aldspsa]

Finization

[@Triadii]

Karelia has stagnated since its ceeding to Russia, money and development has been eaten up by the nearby st Petersburg city which has the same population as the whole Finland. In other words east Karelia is now a dump according to finns and there is no point reclaiming it.

[@formatique_arschloch]

Exactly. We don't want that dump.

[@Silver_Prussian]

How exatly ? Like how has it stagnated ? What made you to come to that conclusion

[@georgeousthegorgeous]

It was simply turned into one big natural reserve. There is just one city there. What’d you expect from barely inhabited territory.

[@neptune1525]

Is St. Petersburg similar to Finnland in any way? :O

[@formatique_arschloch]

@@neptune1525 Absolutely not in any way. Two different worlds.

[@aleks5405]

Hang on. You make it sound like Karelia is separate people from Finnish but we can fluently speak with them although it's technically a "separate" language. You can make a case with Ingrians and Estonians that the language is sufficiently different to warrant them being called separate people, but obviously all these groups are closely tied together and part of the same northern Finnic tribe. Ever since Soviet Union ethnically cleansed Karelia, there has been little point in even discussing taking the land back since the discussion never revolved around actual land grabbing but saving the people that Soviet Union was using as land fertiliser. Obviously it's too late to fix that.

[@LockedArtz]

karelian has been separated from finnish officially as a language due to russian linguists perpetrating that idea, to obviously lessen the will of the karelians to unite their land back to finland

[@okaro6595]

@@LockedArtz Karelian is both a dialect of Finnish and a language. There is language continuum. The actual Karelian language is spoken on areas that never were part of Finland. I could understand my mother even though she was Karelian.

[@LockedArtz]

@@okaro6595 yeah i mean ive never heard karelian i couldnt understand despite looking into it quite alot

[@rafanadir6958]

Wait, when and why did the Soviet union ethnically cleansed that région too?

[@LockedArtz]

@@rafanadir6958 the soviet union (russians still too tbh) really are fond of ethnically cleansing people that dont speak their language in order to guard their territories in the future and to prevent minorities from taking their lands back

[@ro--M]

As a Finn I would love to have an eastern neighbour called Karelia instead of Russia.

[@Swordix1111]

As a russian, i would lobe to have an Western neighbour called finlandia

[@HenriCore]

To be honest most finns dont really want all of east karelia back but i would assume a big part of us do want viipuri as its a historically important city

[@serbianwarrior385]

Who tf cares what Fins want?😂

[@averagecitizen821]

@@serbianwarrior385 Spoken exactly like the USSR in 1939. Not a good look, mate

[@anvold5152]

@@averagecitizen821 but why you ignoring that @HenriCore spoken exactly like Finland and Germany in 1941? Is it a western double standart?

[@averagecitizen821]

@@anvold5152 Read again. He describes what he thinks how some Finns view the situation. It is a description, not a declaration of something that should happen. Completely different aim for what he's writing. No hypocrisy in what I said

[@averagecitizen821]

@@anvold5152 In addition, please read more about the Russo-German dealings and whealings and the Mainila shots if you start referring to Finland's situation in 1941

[@BigKonou]

Not just trying to just be a dick but I don't think you undestand how insane of an idea this is? Putin's Russia is trying to get back to the Soviet Union times, it's not like they're gonna give anything up.

[@viktornylund8264]

I really want to see Karelia as an independent country or an autonomous part of Finland. This is because Karelian is so close to Finnish, and the cultures share many similarities. It's not right to displace Karelians in this way and then replace the lands with Russians, to delete a people in this way disgusts me. I don't care about the "economic value" it would give Finland.

[@ЛютикБлять-л9н]

I really want to see Finland again as part of Russia so that Helsinki can once again become a Helsingfors and finally so that the entire Karelian people could be united!

[@zimovkakia]

Why? Because it never belonged to Finland. Everyone forgets that Karelia is not only Karelian Isthmus and that Finland already have 2 Karelias in it's territory - Northern and Western. Eastern Karelia was always under Russian control starting from Novgorod, who allowed local nobility to rule as autonomus tribe with only playing taxes to Novgorod. People forget such things as Petrozavodsk, Kizhi, Murmansk railway which never belonged to Finland. My great-grandparents were native Karelians, great-grandpa fought against Finns most of his youth, great-grandma almost got herself in Finnish Concentration camp, if not her Karelian origins. After war, my great-grandparents lived happy life. Culture of Karelia preserved in Russian part of it, even with major population being Russians, head of our Republic are mostly Karelians, one of then was Inkerin Finn lol. So people, before talking about "Karelia is Finnish" learn what was before WW and WW2. And yes, I'm citizen of Republic of Karelia, I'm half Russian and half Karelian.

[@timoterava7108]

I copy my earlier post here. It answers many of your questions and claims: "The basic idea of this video is flawed, misleading and impossible. There hasn't been a "unified" Karelia for 700 years - and never again will. The Karelians of West Karelia (an integral part of Finland until 1940/1941-44) are now Finns. The East Karelians in East Karelia (never part of Finland) are today mostly destroyed and russified. West Karelia consists of - North Karelia (still in Finland, Finns only) - South Karelia (still in Finland, Finns only) - the Karelian Isthmus (annexed by the ussr, today part of Leningrad oblast, before only Finns, today no Finns left but russians etc. only) - Laatokka/Ladoga Karelia (annexed by the ussr, today part of the "State" of Karelia, before only Finns, today no Finns left but russians etc. only) - Border Karelia (annexed by the ussr, today part of the "State" of Karelia, before only Finns, today no Finns left but russians etc. only) East Karelia consists of - Viena/White Karelia - Aunus/Olonets Karelia In East Karelia only c. 7% are indigenous Karelians, Finns or other Finnics. More than 90% are non-indigenous russians and other Slavics. We Finns want back the parts of West Karelia currently occupied by russia. Those were ceded empty of Finns and we want them back the same way - empty of (c. 350,000) russians. However we do not want East Karelia (any more), because practically all the Karelians (and Finns) have already been genocided/russified. We definitely do not want the 450,000 of russians living there today. Creating an independent country out of East (only) Karelia would however be a good idea. With co-operation with Finland it would/could succeed much better than today"

[@timoterava7108]

Some further thoughts: 1. Russia having occupied East Karelia doesn't make it russian. It still is the land of the East Karelians - not russians. 2. Russia is not Novgorod - that kind of democratic union of the Finnic and Slavic tribes. 3. I'm sorry to hear that your great-grandpa misguidedly fought against his kinsmen together with the foreign invaders. That's the tragedy of the poor (East) Karelians. 4. Without those Finnish "concentration" (= internment) camps most of the interned people would have starved to death. 5. Half of the non-Finnic people (25,000/50,000) in East Karelia were never in camps. And only half of those who did (c. 12.000/25,000), we not released before the Summer 1944. Many of the interned people had not lived in East Karelia before the war. 6. Many of the East Karelians have told afterwards, that the Finnish "occupation" time was the best time of their lives. 7. The culture of the East Karelians has been almost destroyed in russia. The number of people identifying themselves as Karelians have decreased rapidly. Very few young Karelians are able to speak Karelian any more. 8. You sound like 100% russian and 1% Karelian - despite of your roots. So sad!

[@zimovkakia]

@@timoterava7108 ehm, you're not the one who deciding which nationality I belong too and how I am % of this and that. Novgorod was Russian, East Karelia wasn't occupied. My relatives never treated Russians and others as invaders, they were friends, unlike Finns. Before talking about culture, visit Karelia by yourself. Justifying Finnish concentration camps is the same as justifying German concentration camps. You know nothing about us and dare to talk about my family like that, take care of yourself mate, before watching at others

[@zimovkakia]

@@timoterava7108 good idea for you, East Karelia will just became resource cow for you. Before "creating independent country" ask people of this region. Don't put your nose in others' problems

[@timoterava7108]

@@zimovkakia " ehm, you're not the one who deciding which nationality I belong too and how I am % of this and that." I only wrote what you sound like. You can pretend to be whatever you like. "Novgorod was Russian,..." Novgorod was not russian. Russia didn't even exist then. The Moscovite principality occupied Novgorod. "...East Karelia wasn't occupied." It was - at the same time as the rest of Novgorod. "My relatives never treated Russians and others as invaders, they were friends, unlike Finns." Irrelevant, since your relatives are hardly a statistically relevant group. And supposedly your relatives were perhaps already russified like you. "Before talking about culture, visit Karelia by yourself." I have. I tried not to cry... "Justifying Finnish concentration camps is the same as justifying German concentration camps." I don't need to justify the Finnish Internment camps at all - especially not to a ruSScist propaganda infested troll. Every country in WW2 had internment camps for enemy citizens. The Finnish camps had nothing in common with the ruSScist or Nazi concentration camps. "You know nothing about us and dare to talk about my family like that, take care of yourself mate, before watching at others." Strangely I seem to know more than what you do. I'm not your mate. Slava Ukraini!

[@Demons972]

I've meet a lot of people from Russian Karelia that don't identify themselves as Russian but that's mostly people who live near the border, they have relatives living in Finland and are highly influenced by Finnish culture but they rather keep it within themselves and not saying it out loud to the public.

[@serbianwarrior385]

Yeah but most of population are Russians

[@Demons972]

@@mythbuster6126 nah ruski i've been in the border several times.

[@jimmothy3012]

Yeah, in Viipuri/Vyborg 94% of the population speaks Finnish

[@yabbadabbadoo8225]

Bravo, speaking out results in Spa Treatments in Bolshiville right?

[@moai4110]

​@@mythbuster6126good job comrade! here are your 200 rubles

[@Zarniwooper]

Why would we want to? Just imagine the costs to brining it back from the stone age. Also half a million russians live there. What if Putin wants to "save" them from oppressive goverment too?

[@suissais4732]

We would kick the russians out

[@christianheikkonen]

They have nothing to save if Finland deports all Russians back to Russia

[@Anonym.sghwbdv]

There isnt even a question aboout this, it isnt like russia wants to give it away

[@CazMas7777]

@@Anonym.sghwbdv It doesn't matter what Russia wants or DOESNT want to do, since their military was exposed in front of the whole world as the corrupt, totally inept joke of a fighting force that modern western militaries would roll over with minimal effort, their opinions/desires carry ZERO weight. They can bark all they want, but everybody now knows there isnt any bite behind all that barking. And when that knowledge is paired with the recognition of Russias hysterical fear of a confrontation with NATO and/or America, countries are gonna do what they want without a passing thought about what Russias wants.

[@АлександрАнтонов-р2ч]

Do you want to kill thousands of russian people in karelia just like it was in Ukraine with Donbass? If no, then don't worry. Take it back ahahah

[@sampsanyman162]

Karelian refugees have long time ago merged into rest of Finnish population. There is no point of getting it back unless if we want large Russian minority..

[@christianheikkonen]

Finland doesn’t have any responsibility to keep the slavs on their land

[@rafanadir6958]

​@@christianheikkonen that's a little bit too much

[@christianheikkonen]

@@rafanadir6958 How so? Russia has been doing the same for all Finnic peoples during the centuries, slowly genociding them. If we want to get rid of those russians from our lands, it’s little bit too much for you?

[@upnorth2421]

​@@christianheikkonen my family is from now russian Karelia. No-one of us wants to inflict suffering to others. Everyone knows that during the soviet horrors people were randomly moved around the ussr. Those living in our old lands probably did not come out of their free will either. Been there, seen that. Karelia as it is is a mess.

[@christianheikkonen]

@@upnorth2421 My family is from East Karelia too. They’re still occupying our ancestral land and still oppressing our people. You don’t understand that as long as there are Slavs living in those areas, Karelians won’t see the daylight of freedom. And I bet that the lives of the slavs forced to live there are miserable and they would like to move away if they had money to.

[@jimmyolsenschannel6263]

Superb documentary.

[@sbrwnie]

My great grandfather was a Tver Karelian, but unfortunately the culture is disappearing with its language(( very few Karelians live in Russia and less of those who speak it. I feel sad about it.. My grandma can’t speak it because her father didn’t speak it in their family.. but I’m really interested in saving this culture and I know that it’s a part of me.. I listen to Karelian songs and even bought some Tver Karelian books

[@henriikkak2091]

I'm afraid that only those who are sovereign nations will be able to keep their cultures. Finns and Estonians.

[@violaer]

There are karelian finns. Karelians who are basically finns and speak Finnish. Finland still has north and south karelia which are full of karelian finns

[@tiitulitii]

West-Karelia only, I think.

[@jussioman]

Hello from Finland. Finland is often glorified on taking good care of karelian people but in reality our country has done very little to nourish their culture or language. Even though russian Karelia has been heavily russified there are multiple times more karelians living in Russia than Finland. Russian Karelia is very poor with bad infrastructure compared to Finland and since Russia is hostile towards west its no surprise Finland wont claim it. Also you cant really see karelian culture on every day life on this side of the border.

[@henriikkak2091]

I don't disagree. However, I wonder what the Northern and Southern Karelians of Finland think about there being nothing authentically Karelian in Finland 🤔

[@andrewdunbar828]

"Fuckade" sounds like a pornographic soft drink. Façade actually sounds like fah-sahd.

[@nunyabiznes33]

Let's change it to fcukade hehe

[@icreatedanaccountforthis1852]

This was fascinating to learn about.

[@jariyrjanainen8770]

For me personally as a Finish citizen I do have any roots inside our old border in Karelia. There was about 400.000 Finish inhabitants and after hars Soviet Union intruding almost all our citizen in Karelia wants to be evacuated to "mother Finland" and so they did! So there are no Finns heritage left. Area is full with ukrainians, belarussians and other minorities of Russia. The old Karelian area is still nowadays very poor and underdeveloped. No point to reach those areas back. Although I understand about very well those 400.000 peoples and theirs descentants longing after old Karelia. So lets say Russia keep the brutally and unfairy taken Karelia, but stay firmly inside your own territory!

[@kristofferhellstrom]

Surely you can't be finish? 😆

[@jariyrjanainen8770]

@@kristofferhellstrom yes I can. Poor area, no real infrastructure, full of out of finish native inhabitants! I personally do not need that land and those people. But It was brutally taken away and there are hundrets of thousands desentances out of Karelia to whom pay back is a goal!

[@merjakotisaari9046]

My mother was born in Petsamo, they had to leave for evacuation when the Russians invaded there, some went to Norway and some to Finland, and we visited there once, there was a stone staircase left from my mother's house, everything was destroyed, there was nothing left. We really wouldn't want it back either, unless maybe access to the Arctic Ocean would be the reason.

[@worldtv5848]

Karelian and finnish heritage still here in Republic of Karelia. I am the ethnic Karelian still live here, we are Finno-Ugric people are alive and still here under russian moscowian occupation. We have not given up, we remember who we are, we are fighting for our people and one day we will be free from the yoke of the Kremlin. KARJALA ON OLEVA VAPAA💪💪💪

[@petpot1962]

Well we see the Orcs continue to forcibly try and take other areas I.e Ukraine

[@yarrr275]

I would love to visit Karelia one day and see the places where we're from. I know the exact location of my buabo's childhood house in Salmi but Google Earth shows there isn't even a stone foundation left...

[@Arcticstranger1971]

Does Salmi means gulf in finish, doesn't it?

[@yarrr275]

@@Arcticstranger1971 It means a strait

[@Arcticstranger1971]

@@yarrr275 Thanks!:))Of course strait!We called it "Salma" in Pomorski (Russian) North!:)

[@yarrr275]

​@@Arcticstranger1971 That's very interesting! Strait is also salmi in Karelian (and probably in other Baltic-Finnic languages too). I like how there's small remnants from us left in the Pomor dialect. Tervehytty, pitkiä igiä da lykkyy sinul Roman! (Health, long life and good luck to you in Karelian)

[@Arcticstranger1971]

Kiitos!:))I study ancient toponyms and hydroniums of Pomorsky North!A lot of them is so unique and it's very difficult to translate them in russian language!I would like to find real suomalainen or karjalainen to help me to translate these str nge names because i will be able to understand their meaning!:))

[@jattikuukunen]

I'm kind of disappointed that the Treaty of Tartu an especially East Karelian uprising weren't mentioned.

[@hurri7720]

The thing to remember too is that when it was taken by the USSR all Karelians within that area left, nobody wanted to become Soviet citizen. Today nobody in Finland has any personal memory of Karelia or Viipuri and so on. Also all relatives of me who lived there have died. Instead there are people, Russians who grew up there and feel it's home to them. Before this lethal war of Putin's there was a lot of trafic between the two countries and no problems and people in Viipuri like to feel they have a Viking background and are not regular Russians.

[@pedrogonzalez5333]

It is time also for Poland to return Scilicia to Germany . It is a crime that in the 21 century still some countries keep Colonies

[@pasivaan9563]

In 1991, Yeltsin would have sold Karelia, which was taken in the war, for 64 billion marks, i.e. about 10 billion euros. The Finns did not want to discuss the matter.

[@timoterava7108]

Only Koivisto and Väyrynen did not want to discuss.

[@pasivaan9563]

@@timoterava7108 Name a prominent politician who got excited about the idea.

[@timoterava7108]

@@pasivaan9563 They were not given a chance to decide.

[@markkujantunen8298]

South and North Karelia are two modern regions in Finland and Karelia is the name of the southeasternmost historical region of Finland. However, the Karelian people (and language) and the Finnish region are two completely different things. Karelians are both a distinct ethnic group and speakers of the Karelian language which is the language closest related to Finnish and residents of the Finnish region(s). Karelians (the people) are traditionally Orthodox and the Finnish Karelians are Lutherans. The Karelians (the people) were traditionally aligned with the Novgorodians and later the Russians. The Finns became subjects of the Kingdom of Sweden starting from the southwest in the 13th century. The Finns had never created a unified kingdom before that simply because there were too few of us and because the population was too sparse. Even the Estonians had only been united by a single kingdom of their own for a decade before their country was conquered by the Teutonic Knights. As a result of having been ended up on different sides of the political and religious divide, the Karelian people have never been particularly keen on a political union with Sweden or Finland. During WW2, when "East Karelia", which was used to refer to what is known as the Karelian Republic in the Russian Federation these days, was occupied by Finland. The locals would call Finnish soldiers "ruotsit", which was an archaic term for Swedish soldiers who had driven the ethnic Karelians away from the territory where the modern regions of South Savonia and South Karelia are now. In the 16th century, they even had to leave the region where the city of Viipuri is. In the early 20th century, there was a movement in Finland aiming to unify Karelia with Finland. Sadly, that movement did not value the Karelian language too much. Fewer than 10,000 Karelian people live in Finland nowadays. The Finnish regions that have Karelia in their names are populated by ethnic Finns who speak Finnish. In conclusion, I have difficult time seeing many people on either side of the border getting excited about the idea even without considering the practical side of such a nation building effort. The GDP per capita on the Finnish side is much higher. But in the Finnish scheme of things the southeastern corner of the country is not the most dynamic of the regions. It has an aging population with many young people moving to the big cities like Helsinki, Tampere and Turku. The cultural differences are considerable. 80% of the population in the Republic of Karelia are Russian these days - unlike in the early 20th century when the Russians made up about a half of the population. It is practically Russia. The significant cultural differences would make such a union undesirable for people on both sides of the border.

[@ilmatar6608]

Karelians were driven away from North Karelia, not South Karelia. Those living in South Karelia are genetically equal to the Karelians you refer to, the difference is that centuries of Finnish language influence has resulted in them speaking Finnish - albeit the "Karelian dialect" of Finnish.

[@markkujantunen8298]

The expansion of the Swedish realm starting from the 16th century involved the fleeing of the orthodox Karelians from the Vyborg region. The Karelian ethnic group thus largely left the entirety of the area inside current Finnish borders. I'm not sure whether the fact that the dialects spoken in the Finnish region of North Karelia belong to the Savonian dialect group whereas the Southeastern dialects are a group of their own has much do with this. @@ilmatar6608

[@ПетрФедоров-э6е]

Karelia has been a part of Russia. Finland until recently had never existed. Western Finn/Karels were incorporated into Swedish Scandinavian Protestant culture, while Eastern Karels were incorporated into Novgorod, Russian and Orthodox culture. When some parts of Karelia were invaded by Sweden the local orthodox Karelian population fleed into central Russia, Tver region.. They have remained Karelian language

[@Rehunauris]

When Karelian families escaped to Finland, like mine did, locals were calling them "suitcase russkies" among other things.

[@kimmorepo6870]

@@Rehunauris those arrogant ones without empathy.. God bless the Carelians.

[@kymensotaveteraanit]

Fact check: Finland is mentioned in ancient maps way before moskali. Finnic tribes lived all the way to Ural mountains.

[@ПетрФедоров-э6е]

@@kymensotaveteraanit Finland was mentioned in Russian/ Nivgorod maps according to the tribal name if its population "Сумь" finish Suomi. But it wasn't a state or an independent country at that time. The first state or to be more exact, kingdom was Sweden. Then this territory was conquered by Russian Empire. Finish principality was semi-independent in Russian Empire for more than a hundred years. Then it got independence from Russia, which had been demolished in numerous wars ( the first war and Japanese). NB, Moscow is a town / city and one of the numerous Russian Principalities. Once it became central and submitted the other ones. So Russian history doesn't start with the rise of Moscow principality.

[@transmaster]

Talking with a Finnish friend of mine she has extensively traveled through this area. She told me there are large areas that are toxic waste dumps. She said it would cost more than the area is worth to clean up what the Russian have dumped.

[@manichaean1888]

That's a BS. I have worked as a journalist in Republic of Karelia in 1990s and extensively travelled throughout the country. I'm not aware of these toxic dumps. The region is one of the most popular tourist destinations among the Russians. Large part of its territory are national parks. What are you talking about?

[@transmaster]

@@manichaean1888 Don't talk to me about this I am only reporting what My Finnish friend said. She does live across the border in Finland.

[@manichaean1888]

@@transmaster You 'report' a lie. As a person who lives on THIS side of the border, I shall correct this lie.

[@markfranz7313]

@@manichaean1888 >traveled in 1990s So, your info is more than 2 decades old? By same logic you can say there no radiation in chernobyl basing of information from 1960s

[@manichaean1888]

@@markfranz7313 I still keep in touch with my friends journalists and generally follow the events. Also, there are not much industries in this region let alone the toxic ones. Where do you think the waste comes from? No, that "info" is complete BS. I can also say: "A friend told me that Finland is a toxic wasteland". )) We call this sort of information: "an old woman said". It is funny, I lived in this region most of my life, this region is considered to be the cleannest piece of nature in the whole North East of Russia, and still somebody is trying to sell me this crap.

[@sherrillwhately7586]

My cousin’s father was from Karelia. His family moved to the USA where there was a Finnish community in Long Island.

[@mijusa4724]

My grandparents from my fathers side had to leave their home in Karelia ( Suojärvi/ village named Hyrsylä). Their home was very near Russian border these times. They never talked about it very much... 🥹

[@larrywave]

Even tho i dont agree with you i still liked the video and it was nice of you to use that flag 😁

[@21stcenturybohemian]

At 1:42, facade is pronounced fa-saud, not fa-kaid. It is where we get the English word "face".

[@alexanderchenf1]

The joining of NATO permanently prevents Finland to reconquer Karelia.

[@uhsir9852]

Nukes exist

[@mitchyoung93]

Because no NATO country has ever attacked another country!

[@chiennguyenvan4601]

​@@mitchyoung93 you wrong

[@user-ce6iy2nw5o]

There are 2 totally different karelian languages. The one which is counted as part of finnish spoken on the isthmus before the winter war, and the one which is supposed to be it's own language in the east. Why are you speaking of them as one?

[@user-ce6iy2nw5o]

also karelians are ethnic finns. the term "finns" consists of different sub tribes, and karelians are one of them

[@bojanpalink5471]

The Finns are either so naive or so stupid that they have always been a political weapon in foreign hands....now they have joined NATO....and now we are watching documentaries and warmongering about Karelia...so why are you so stupid ,that they would like to plunge the whole world into a nuclear war.......damned fools.

[@MRtapio5]

​@@user-ce6iy2nw5o that's depated

[@xKuukkelix]

@@MRtapio5 it isnt. baltic finns include finns (proper), tavastians, savonians, karelians, estonians, ingrians, vepsians, izhorians, livonians and votes. those tribes who lived inside the borders of present-day finland eventually grew culturally and linguistically closer together and became today's finns. there is a reason why spoken finnish has such a massive differences from region to region. they used to be practically different languages, even though closely related

[@MRtapio5]

@@xKuukkelix 1. It is depated 2. They weren't their own languages. They were dialects

[@eurovision_is_ambition]

I love these videos! 💙

[@GeoPerspective]

thank you for binging :)

[@lordhoden]

3:45 "It emerged as a relatively large country, spanning over 388 square kilometers". Well youre not wrong :D

[@paanikki]

Even if Russia, for some unknown reason, offered to return former Finnish part of Karelia, or part of it, Finland would say Thanks but no thanks. With Karelia, Finland would get a region with lousy infrastructure that is beyond repair, hundreds of thousands of ethnic Russian residents who are accustomed to the Russian society and who do not share the same values of democracy. The standard of living in Finland would fall dramatically, while crime rate and corruption would rise.

[@moisuomi]

That is why it should become its own country.

[@briant5685]

lol you speak as if you stay in heaven, where do you come from..??

[@jakkeledin4645]

Fullshit. We are not worse than our granparents. It's only work and good incvest for future.

[@bojanpalink5471]

The Finns are either so naive or so stupid that they have always been a political weapon in foreign hands....now they have joined NATO....and now we are watching documentaries and warmongering about Karelia...so why are you so stupid ,that they would like to plunge the whole world into a nuclear war.......damned fools.

[@UnlockOTPR]

@@moisuomi it couldnt sustain itself

[@Rom3_29]

My mom was born month after winter war, in small village at the coast of Lagonda lake. My other relative was ten when her family had to leave everything behind. They had large farm near Vyburg. 1991 when there was talk returning lost lands. There are no Karelian and other Finnish native groups left in Karelia . If they didn’t move to Finland. They were forcefully relocated to southeast Russia and people were brought to live in now empty houses. Most of lost land was left as is. Houses ruined and land and lakes polluted. It would have cost billions to clean the land. During operation Barbarossa. Finns first wanted to reclaim lost land. Some of soldiers refused to fight for greater Finland. Finns refused to provide aid to blockade Leningrad. That might’ve saved Finnish independence and Soviet occupation.

[@victorotvertchenko2665]

Strange question. Answer is so obvious. Finland doesn't "reclaim" Karelia because it is not able. Not like Finland didn't try. Tried in 1941 with help of Hitler. Ended by loosing more territory and Soviet military bases in Finland including the one near Helsinki. They were removed by Khruschev 15 years later as a gesture of good will.

[@markkujantunen8298]

More like removed because they became unnecessary for the purposes of establishing fire control over the Gulf of Finland to protect Leningrad. Today's world is very different from that of the early 20th century or even earlier times. Europe, including Russia, is demographically in a very different place. With total fertility rates around 1.5 at best territorial expansion is completely pointless. Why would you waste large numbers of young people trying to conquer and annex new territories when you'd badly need those young people to develop those lands or even run the country you already have? Back in the 1910s and the 1930s, families were large. I'm in my early 50s. My grandparents who were born in the 1910s had between 8 and 12 siblings. With today's families with 1-2 children, who in their right mind is going to want to start wars of conquest that can easily take years and wipe out entire age cohorts? No one around here. That's for sure. Such wars can easily turn into country killers.

[@MRtapio5]

More like it would just be worse for finland. Literally no value. And btw kinda stupid to compare modern day with 1941 when it was just over 2 years since it was lost. And again btw the base was returned to Finland to heal the relationship. Not for a good will

[@kimmorepo6870]

Actually USA got it back for USSR. And today they regret it.

[@yuraefimen]

Читаю комментарии и понимаю как судьбы людей переплетаются и потомки живших когда то людей в разных частях мира уже не помнят кто они и откуда : корелы, судетские немцы,поляки жившие в восточной Польше ,немцы из Восточной Пруссии и ещё многие другие ,вынужденые покинуть свои родные места в основном по причине оккупации СССР

[@rvd5014]

забавно что ты не упоминаешь немцев которые были вынуждены покинуть познань, русских которых финны и эстонцы выдавали большевикам и т.п., однобоко чтот у тебя выходит свин

[@stroitelj]

Это да .Переселение этнических французов из Алжира , переселение этнических англичан из Индии и Ирландии .Это все СССР виноват .))))

[@iparipaitegianiparipaitegi4643]

The english word facade must be pronounced ‘fassade’ as it comes from the french ‘façade’.

[@Gaming4Justice]

I think fuckade sounded more accurate

[@cxzact9204]

@@Gaming4Justice I fucking lost it 😂

[@DystopianOverture]

@@Gaming4Justice I like that pronunciation better as well. Sounds about right.

[@DannyPotato]

timestamp PLEASEEEE

[@iluvcamaros1912]

@@DannyPotato 1:40 I haven't even watched the rest of the video had to come straight to the comments.

[@lomis99]

There are two different groups of "Karelians". There are the Karelian-speaking Orthodox Karelians who are often excluded from being Finns. And then there are the Finnish-speaking Lutheran "Finnish Karelians" who are considered one of the traditional/cultural tribes of Finland. Finnish part of Karelia has been mainly inhabited by the Finnish Karelians.

[@Gokaes]

yeah, calling all finnish just finnish and excluding karelians like in this video is weird, finland is compromised of so many tribes and dialects that were pulled together under one that if all of them were seperate there would be quite a few independent regions in finland

[@emiiliaolausson5559]

That is simply not true. All the inhabitants of Finnish Karelia were of course Finnish and treated as such, and evacuated into safety from the Red army invaders. And all except holiday guests naturally spoke Karelian in the Finnish Karelia. Karelian is considered a dialect of Finnish and totally understandable for Finnish speakers. (There are some other Finnish dialects more difficult to understand for anyone not familiar with it). The religion of a person does not decide if a person is Russian or Finnish.That is just nonsense. During the Soviet times the Orthodox church and religion were banned in the USSR, but Finland recognized Orthodox Christianity as one of the two main religions practiced in the country already in the time of declaration of independency. In the constitution both religions were given equal rights. During the wars the famous Orthodox monestery in Valamo (an island of Ladoga) was evacuated to safer parts of Finland. In each larger city in Finland there is an Orthodox Christian church with priests and a congregation. In many places the congregation has in fact grown in recent years due to immigration from countries like Russia and Ethiopia.

[@lomis99]

@@emiiliaolausson5559 There is the Karelian language and then there is the Finnish Southeastern dialect which is spoken in South Karelia and was spoken on the Karelian Isthmus. The Karelian language spoken in Eastern Karelia is often considered a distinct language and not a dialect of Finnish. When it comes to religion, I'm NOT talking about personal beliefs but rather about the cultural framework which is influenced by religion. Traditionally Lutheran Finnish-speaking Karelians living in the Finnish part of Karelia are culturally very diffedent from traditionally Orthodox Karelian-speaking Karelians living in Eastern Karelia which has always been part of Russia.

[@emiiliaolausson5559]

@@lomis99 to define a dialect to be a separate language is often a politically motivated decision, not linguistic. As I wrote earlier, Karelians retained their culture and language for thousands of years, regardless of who was officially their overlord . Only the invasion of the Red army and subsequent evacuations (in Finnish side) and persecutions and deportations of Stalin (in the Russian side) succeeded in disrupting or destroying the Karelian culture and traditions.

[@lomis99]

@@emiiliaolausson5559 Yes it is very hard to define which spoken languages are dialects and which are distinct languages and yes it is often a political decision. My point is that there is a cultural difference between those Karelians who live in Finland and those who live in Russia. I think it's safe to say most of the Karelians who live in the Finnish provinces of North and South Karelia primarily identify as "Finnish" while those Karelians who live in Russian parts of Karelia don't.

[@ПетрФедоров-э6е]

NB. Majority of Karelian population is Russian 90 %

[@kevinu.k.7042]

This is a superb video - Thanks. I have often wondered about Karelia.

[@GeoPerspective]

thanks for watching :)

[@aras75aka]

Finland haven’t reclaimed Karelia yet, because many of our people are unfortunately cowards.

[@MRtapio5]

Tai sitten heillä on järkeä

[@butterflies655]

Russia ruined those territories so badly that Finland does not want them back.

[@sliceofheaven3026]

I am finnish but I am not really wanting to get Karelia back since getting it back might mean further complications politically with Russia. Karelia of today has a large russian population and Russia could potentially use that population as a political leverage to pressure Finland to make certain amendments that we might not be willing to do. The other factor is the deep economical cost of restoring the infrastructure of Karelia (according to one estimate about 30 billion euros) to the level that Finland has today not to mention getting a sudden population increase of a hundreds of thousand of more people to educate and to take care off. I fully understand that losing your childhood home is a deeply traumatic experience and I wish we could reclaim it but I see so many potential alarm bells that I think its best that we let Karelia be part of Russia.

[@peterfireflylund]

Karelia could always be recleansed...

[@saaraa7876]

@@peterfireflylund Finland isn’t Russia, we don’t do ethnic cleansings. Three of my grandparents are from the parts of Karelia that are now Russia, so those are my ancestral lands too. But I like almost everyone in Finland accept that the regions we ceded to the USSR are gone now and won’t be coming back. I do feel sad I didn’t visit years ago, as I’m obviously not going to anymore.

[@Jay_Kay666]

We could just undevelop it. Remove all roads and make giant nature reservation area like darién gap in Panama. And for the same reasons.

[@villerantavalli9395]

Ilman niitä Ryssiä sen voisi ehkä pitkin hampain huolia... Hirveä rahareikä kuitenkin, ei tarvitse kuin vilkaista Saksaan nähdäkseen hintalapun 70-vuoden korjausvelalle.

[@antonh1709]

@@peterfireflylund What if Russians re-cleanse Finland? Ever thought of that?

[@Hispandinavian]

Those Orthodox churches are beautiful structures. If I was infinitely wealthy, I would take an entire month just to explore the area by rail. I learn Finnish in my spare time, and interested in the Finnic diaspora of Northern Europe, like Estonia.

[@alldarin1464]

I don't see anything beautiful in them, better explore Norwegian stave churches

[@emiiliaolausson5559]

There is a beautiful very large Orthodox church in Helsinki, visible when you enter the harbour by a boat from Stockholm. When the RF attacked Ukraine, the Finnish Orthodox church took a clear stand against the invasion, contrary to the stand of the Russian Orthodox church. The Finnish Orthodox congregation has grown lately mainly because of Ethiopian immigrants to Finland.

[@timoterava7108]

​@@emiiliaolausson5559 The Finnish Orthodox Church has always been separate from the ruSScist church.

[@dasarath5779]

​@@timoterava7108 well the TRUE faith is suomenusko 😛

[@youtubeuser_custom_1]

@@timoterava7108 on what level of racism are you?

[@jmi5969]

5:00 - I suspect that changes in ethnicity and language were not an objective, but a consequence. The main objective was supplying labour, regular workers and imprisoned slaves, to the new mining industries. That's how my grandmother (then 13 years old), her family and most of their village ended up in Karelia in the winter of 1930/31. Their camp was some five kilometers south of what became Monchegorsk. Too bad for them, there wasn't much work in the first year after "relocation", and so there were no food rations. Many did not survive through their first winter. And, contrary to the "ethnic change" hypothesis, the survivors had no intention to stay in the north and tried to move south when they could. Some, like my grandmother, were freed after only a few years in the camp, the rest of the survivors returned in the late 1940s.

[@johanmetreus1268]

It should be pointed out that the State's intentions might not have given the opinions of those survivors any consideration when making their plans.... meaning the ethnic change became just another Soviet failure resulting in tragedy for all involved.

[@jhemilae]

If a drug-addict steals your toothbrush, and washes his ass with it for 80 years, would you fight to get the toothbrush back?

[@jhemilae]

AND, the drug addict is now a family member, and must be provided for.

[@jussim.konttinen4981]

​@@jhemilae I wouldn't fight, but Tatjana has to watch his performance from her window. She deserves her own life.

[@teppo9585]

Soviets started a war by a false flag in Mainila. Then they sent under equipped Ukrainians for cannonfodder against Finns. Once Soviets had run out of Ukrainians they declared to have won and claimed Karelia and other places. Everyone lived happy ever after. So very happy. Happyhappyhappy.

[@pineapplesareyummy6352]

Why Finland won't reclaim Karelia? What ability does Finland have to try to take land off a much more powerful country next door?

[@peagames2002]

You could say, all that remains of karelian heritage is lost in Russian side. Due Stalin making russians all over the country move in to Karelia to mix the culture away. We shouldn't forget that Karelia has areas on Finnish side too, for example mid-east Finland. That place has likely the most amount of genuine karelians. I myself am half karelian mixed after 2 generations. For what I know, that karelian heritage fled to mid-east Finland and left their farm and belongings. For what I learned from mother (grandmother is mentally ill so can't ask her), is that grandmother's mother never spoke of what happened when she left, since it was simply so terrifying.

[@FrostWolfPack]

My gradma never really talked either other that she missed her home in Karelia and how sad it was to leave. But the sad part was thet she asked me to try to drop that small bit of Karelian dialect out of my speech as she said she hoped it to die as it is not what is should be, I dropped it for the time she lasted but I have tried to have the little I have as reminder of her.

[@martinstent5339]

03:46 "a large country spanning over 388 square kilometers." That should have been 388 thousand square kilometers (388,000)!! 388 square kilometers is about half the size of Helsinki!

[@timor64]

I really enjoyed this video. Thanks very much. Did you learn English in Ireland?

[@GeoPerspective]

Thank you and yes :D

[@timor64]

@@GeoPerspective you have ended up with (to my ears anyway) a really pleasant accent. I've subscribed...

[@lucianboar3489]

Would have been cute if Karelia remained a Soviet Republic until 1991 instead of just a republic in Russia, thus almost having to be independent after the fall of USSR. I'm guessing it would have been the exception among the Soviet Republics and would have swiftly elected to unite with Russia.

[@kristofferhellstrom]

Ok Finland. You have to install 100 000 toilets, give them electricity, broadband, wifi and build other infrastructure. Lets invade!

[@christianheikkonen]

We have no such obligation, instead we could just deport the slavs from the land back to Russia.

[@Gxgvdhfg88]

Do it in your fcking Ukraine first

[@mayakstudios7292]

clown

[@christianheikkonen]

@@mayakstudios7292 You know that Russian isn’t an ethnicity? It’s similar to Americans. Mix-up of everything

[@mayakstudios7292]

@@christianheikkonen we are descended from the Eastern Slavs, America - a mix of cultures, we have a basic culture - Russian, there are locals like Tatar or Tuvan

[@royalty4611]

I visited russian side of karelia (the stolen lands from Finland) at 2013 multiple times. I can tell you that once you cross the border from Finland to Russian side, you step like into another world despite being old Finland areas. Everything from roads to buildings look like they have not been taken care at all. There is stray dogs everywhere, and old drunk men in the yards of those terrible looking buildings with a vodka bottle. Russian gov simply doesnt give a fuck about these minor areas, and if there is some money to improve those places, big part of it simply goes to corrupted authorities instead.

[@paulzx5034]

Hi from Russia. Its the opposite. You need harsh laws to keep people in place in such huge country. Who wants to stay in Karelia, its simply bad for health. People migrate in other regions voluntarily.

[@royalty4611]

@@paulzx5034 "you need hars laws to keep people in place" hahahaha, how brainwashed can people be. High chance im replying to a kremlin paid troll, but well whatever 😄

[@paulzx5034]

@@royalty4611 What exactly brainwashing in my comment? People from Baltic states and many Eastern European states migrate westward by millions. You should know this, uh? Villages and towns lies in ruins all over the place.

[@georgeousthegorgeous]

@@royalty4611y man politics in Russia work completely different than in the west. You simply don’t understand how big of an issue separatism is here. Any national minority comprising the majority of people in their respective region is one of the worst problems ever because it literally only takes one spark (which other countries are literally craving for right now) to ignite it based on the smallest differences. We are a country with the most differences in the world and just as many natural enemies so it’s in our best interest to secure the territories with resettling. We’ve all seen what happens when a region (Chechnya) or an entire soviet republic (Ukraine) stops having Russian majority. If we assimilated Ukraine Belarus and Kazakhstan Soviet Union wouldn’t ever fall.

[@royalty4611]

@@georgeousthegorgeous So why all this people should accept to be opressed and abused by russia? Yes, politics in russia work really different. All must obey putin, and any serious political challengers are either put into jail or murdered and citizens are slaves for putin and his gang who keep bathing on riches stolen from the citizen. Yet most of citizen there are so fools that they really think putin is their hero and doing good for russia. Controlling the media and feeding his propaganda makes it more understandable, but still it makes me doubt about the intelligence of russian citizen.

[@_Epsilon_]

You talked about depopulation of Karelia but also mentioned Baltic states as being some sort of benchmark for Karelia but depopulation in Baltic states is comparible to Karelia if not worse. And no Baltic states are not neutral and not wealthy as was claimed in this video.

[@GeoPerspective]

Fair its a contradiction, people have been leaving, but the Baltics economically have made massive progress since the 90's - its does not feel like the same old poor country.

[@ForOne814]

@@GeoPerspective most ex-Soviet states did, apart from several Central Asian ones and Ukraine.

[@timoterava7108]

​@@ForOne814 The Baltic status have done the best!

[@z7_95z7]

​@@timoterava7108 Hahaha then why Baltic people run away from their country to work in western countries

[@timoterava7108]

@@z7_95z7 E.g. more Estonians are now returning than leaving. I don't have to ask, why the russians are running away from their country. It's obvious.

[@novactic-s9k]

Karelia is not Finland's to claim. Karelia was never part of Finland in the first place.

[@3dfxvoodoocards6]

Interesting video! If possible please make a video about Romania, Moldova and their relations to Russia.

[@zuvu8023]

my gramdmother lived in karelia but her family had to flee to finnland because of the invasion. but she and her family stayed in touch with their culture and passed it down to us even tho i don’t even live in finnland.

[@jacuesduplessis319]

Karelia is Russia and so is Finland

[@zuvu8023]

um thats actually historically not true@@jacuesduplessis319

[@mihanich]

Murmansk oblast wouldn't be cut off from Russia if Finland gets its pre-war borders

[@GeoPerspective]

but it will make them exposed to being cut off easily

[@claude6543]

@@GeoPerspective then say so in the video, instead of "cut off"

[@lexluthor6497]

Not worth it. To expensive to upkeep. russia is also failing at it. The area is getting depopulated, only old people stay. And now they will have even less money to keep up the infrastructure. So not so great times ahead for the people of Karelia.

[@cinnamon2151]

Good vid , just 380 Km should say 380,000 kms ?

[@lAsteriosl]

Because here is Karelian population: Russians - 76,6% Karelians - 9,2% Belorussians - 5,2% Ukrainians - 2,7% Finns - 2% Vesps - 0,7% Others - 3,7%

[@lprice5583]

Russia may break apart to be absorbed by smaller neighbors and form smaller independent countries. Russia has done nothing but grown weaker.

[@КАБы_да_КАБы]

Wishful thinking on your part about Russia being weakened

[@DrHax-qi7ys]

​@slavakotelnikov2440 it sure as shit is pretty weak given the 200,000+ mobiks being dead, but that's vatnik cope for you there

[@imtiazakand3174]

Russia already broken in 1991 in 12 separate parts.

[@КАБы_да_КАБы]

@@imtiazakand3174 that was the Soviet Union

[@imtiazakand3174]

@@КАБы_да_КАБыsoviet union made on russian territory.

[@rubiksprime6490]

So high quality videos!

[@GeoPerspective]

thanks for watching :)

[@ЕвгенийВаликов-ъ2ж]

Несколько моментов: 1. Карелы были крещены в православие ещё в 11 веке, как и Чудь Ильменская и другие финно-угорские народы, проживавшие вокруг Новгорода. 2. Исходя из других роликов автора, он хотел бы, чтоб Карелия стала независимой, нейтральной, а потом - вступить в НАТО видимо?). 3. Территории, отошедшие к СССР в 1940/44 г.г. закреплены двухсторонними договорами. 4. В годы зимней и продолжения войн финны относились к карелам как к людям "второго сорта", их не воспринимали как близкий этнически народ, многие оказались в финских концентрационных лагерях, а тех немногих, кто сотрудничал с финнами, даже если и желал остаться в Финляндии, финны выдали в 1944 году. 5. Русификация была проведена только на Карельском перешейке как части ЛенОбласти и Мурманской области. В Карелии все топонимы карельские. 6. Карелов в карелии около 5%, разговаривают на русском. 7. Выборг не часть Карелии, а часть Ленинградской области.

[@martins3331]

Historical Finnlands land ! Must be returned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@moneybelt9039]

As a Finn myself, I can tell with 110% certainty that we have more land than we ever will need and the responsability on the development of Karelia is with Russia to bare 110% on their own. You took it, you can keep it !

[@yurik8468]

Neutrality))) Somewhere a Ukrainian, or a Finn, or a Georgian died of laughter.

[@CHaosMD]

Опять какой-то западный чел объясняет как жить карелам😂

[@arizonabusinessleague918]

Even notice how the world civilsed world says the opposite of a facist Russia? You "people" are all alone on your island gobbling up every lie from your dictator. Sad.

[@rschoudhury3131]

Demand Independent Republic of Karelia❤ From India

[@irwainnornossa4605]

Finland should be returned t's territory and Karelia should be established, together with Murmansk. I love these concerns… Like…the Soviets did much more, worse evil to others, so…payback.

[@maikotter9945]

die Gebiete, welche sich in mehreren Gesamtstaaten befinden! Karelien Lappland Ostpreußen Pommern Brandenburg Lausitz Schlesien Irland Friesland Flandern Wallonien Tirol Katalonien Mazedonien Thrakien Kaskadien Kalifornien Borneo ...

[@Joelmonterrey]

When you say "Resettled within the Soviet Union," you meant to say they were kidnapped by Russia and replaced with ethnically Russian people. That's #RussianImperialism.

[@johnfox2975]

pls remeber that ukrainans were part of the authorities too.

[@Joelmonterrey]

@@johnfox2975"The Ukrainians" had KGB embedded into their government by a hostile state colonizer actor.

[@terjeoseberg990]

Karelia should be it’s own country. Finland and Sweden should have liberated Karelia before joining NATO while Putin is overwhelmed by Ukraine.

[@jussim.konttinen4981]

Good idea. We need a buffer zone between Finland and Russia.

[@sciencetechnology9167]

🌟До прихода в Залесье (будущая московия) хана Батыя со своим монголо-татарским войском в 1237 году никаких русских, русских земель и тем более древнерусского государства в Залесье, в мокшанских лесах и болотах и ​​в помине не было. На землях Залесья за 1000 км на северо-восток от Киева жили первобытно-общинным строем полудикие угро-финские племена. А Киевская держава Русь в 988 году крестилась, строила города и была сильной державой в Европейской цивилизации. Сами финно-угры (чудь) Русью себя не называли. Они по сведениям летописцев напротив противопоставляли себя Руси. Какая колония не противопоставляла бы себя чуждой ей метрополии? В Лаврентиевской и в Ипатиевской летописях хорошо видно это противопоставление. А в них развития события XII-XIII века.То есть даже в XII и веке в начале XIII века Новгородская, Ростово-Суздальская, Владимирская, Рязанская, Смоленская земли не считались Русью. Московиты же считают… Внимание: ** что их первое государство (Русь) появилось где-то на 400 лет раньше, чем они сами *. О народе страны Моксель (будущая Московия) как чистых язычников регистрирули посол Папы Римского в империю Чингизидов - Иоанн де Плано Карпини, написавший свою «Историю Монгалов», и посол короля Франции Людовика IX к Хану Золотой Орды Сартаку - Вильгельм де Рубрук, написавший «Путешествие» в Восточные Страны ». Московиты есть смесь монголо-татар с угро-финнами, и их родина - московско-татарский улус Золотые Орды. Из ряда названий: угро-финны, московиты-ордынцы, «русские», только угро-финны и московиты-ордынцы есть исторические. Великороссами московитов назвала Екатерина 2, национальность "русский" московитам присвоил Сталин в 1932 году, будучи грузином сам стал "русским". Названия "великороссы" и "русские", искусственный "русский язык" и фейковую историю московитам дали их завоеватели. Бытует такая поговорка: "Папа турок, мама грек, а я русский человек". Московиты могут свою фейковую историю переписывать сколько угодно, и лепить туда идиотские карколомные фейки, но к Руси-Украине они не пришей-пристебай. Русины есть предки украинцев, и один народ испокон веков живущий на земле Руси-Украины. То что нынешние кацапы (московиты) потомки угро-финнов и татар не славяне, спору нет, это давно доказано российскими учеными, историками, археологами и антропологами. Московско-татарский улус Золотые Орды (московия-рассеюшка) есть творение и детище Орды. Выдумки о том что "великороссы", "русские" славяне, имеют какое то отношение к Киевской державе Русь, это маскировка, чтобы скрыть свое недавнее ордынское прошлое. Для этого оборотень полу татарин, полу финн Пётр-Исаак 1 мурза Нарыш в 1721 году переименовал Ордынское Московское царство в Россию. Нет никакой истории "великороссов", "русских", а есть самозванство истории "русских", "великороссов", "россии" ... Эту паранойю придумали Пётр-Исаак 1 мурза Нарыш и Екатерина 2 своими подручными немцами, написавшими фейковую « россии ». Это было сделано, чтобы скрыть ордынское прошлое Московии - московско-татарский улус Золотой Орды, и предстать перед Европой с новым фейковым названием «россия». Но у финно-угро-тюркской группы племен народов есть историческое название - московиты. Сами московиты и есть НЕРУСЬ и НЕ СЛАВЯНЕ, а их страна - ТЮРЬМА НАРОДОВ, всемирно известная всероссийская система концлагерей - ГУЛАГ. "Представление о том, как бы позднейшее московское (русское) государство есть продолжение Киевской державы Русь, в корне неправильно. то время была провинцией большого государства "(Н.С.Трубецкой" Наследие Чингисхана "). "Созданное ханом Батыем государство Золотая Орда существует до сих пор и будет потом называться: Российская империя, СССР, РФ" (Г.Тюньдешев "Хан Батый - основатель Российской государственности"). Руzzкий мир РФ - это kацапы и нацмены маскирующиеся под славян, православных, потомки тех ордынцев, которые в составе войск хана Батыя ходили с разбоем на КИЕВ, на РУСЬ, на ЕВРОПУ, а сегодня в том же составе 9-й год ведут агрессивную войну против УКРАИНЫ.🤬🤬🤬

[@edonveil9887]

During these years SU / RF has developed these areas and they are probably the gem in all of RF. Meanwhile Finland has been developed more which make these areas very unattractive. Someone compared them to a toothbrush your neighbor got from you a long time ago.

[@RR-jz2up]

There are border regions in russia nearby Finland where people doesn't get 24/7 electricity. They can't have indoor plumbing or use fridge. It's so "developed".

[@butterflies655]

​@@RR-jz2upWrong. Finland has more electricity than they need. Also it is cheap. Come to Finland and see yourself. Finland 🇫🇮 is a prosperous Nordic country with Sweden 🇸🇪 Norway 🇸🇯 Denmark 🇩🇰 and Iceland 🇮🇸.

[@RR-jz2up]

@@butterflies655 I apologize if my comment came off wrong. I was describing russian border regions, not Finnish. I do want to visit Finland one day.

[@angron2074]

It is really impressive how the russian culture can destroy a land

[@Svarog50]

Unbelievable, how the Anglo-Saxons and their poltroons (Finns) can destroy entire nations and countries. For example: Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria... May your house be as far away from normal nations as possible.

[@butterflies655]

​@@Svarog50Finland had nothing to do with those matters. Are you an idiot?

[@ronmoes42]

If you ask me that piece of land would do much better if it would be a part of Europe, I think the people in that arrea would not mind at all! Also russia is big enough and they should give it back to Finland! but we all know they will not, instead the rather annex more countries and add them to the poverty and bad govern of their goverment....

[@timoterava7108]

We Finns do not want the russian occupiers with the returned Finnish lands. None of them were there before 1940/1944.

[@KateeAngel]

​@@timoterava7108lol, so what? Discriminating people based on ethnicity or when their ancestors moved somewhere is wrong anyway.

[@LloydChristmas983]

Fortunately nobody is asking you.

[@LloydChristmas983]

@@timoterava7108 nobody cares what you internet warriors want

[@timoterava7108]

@@LloydChristmas983 Nobody cares, what you think of anything.

[@RiwenX]

Why won't a weak nanny state reclaim a territory belonging to the country with the biggest nuclear arsenal?

[@minnaorv]

Todays Karelia is mostly inhabited by Russians and theres only a little native Karelians bc during the wars 500,000 native Karelians left their homes and evacued to Finland and they never returned to Karelia. It’s not that hard to find Finns whose grandparents or great-grandparents were native Karelians.

[@KoljaRadulovič]

I’d imagine it’s the same thing with the Alsace region in France and Germany would not try to reclaim Alsace because it is entirely French now and so is the populous

[@timoterava7108]

Finland wants (only) the Finnish Karelia (Viipuri, Sortavala) back, just like it was ceded in 1940/1944 - empty.

[@calebbearup4282]

And as a minimum Russia needs to return all payments they forced Finland to pay and then counter pay reparations for the winter war

[@samueljack3731]

@user-mt4sy8nf9x Read more Russian history books. If Finnish troops would have pushed forward from Karelia, there wouldn't have been Leningrad anymore. Germans asked several times from Finnish leaders to keep going but was always denied. The road of life was open because Finland did not close it. Learn propaganda if you wish but its not true.

[@timoterava7108]

​@user-mt4sy8nf9x The ussr was allied with Hitler 23.8.1939-21.6.1941. The russians and the Nazies started the WW2 in Europe together as allies. The Nazies assisted the russians in the Winter War 1939-40. The russians returned the favour and helped the Nazies to attack Denmark, Norway, Luxemburg, The Netherlands, Belgium, the UK, Yugoslavia, Greece... What "active participation" of the (incomplete) siege? At the Karelian Isthmus the Finns stopped by the border. Finns never bombed or shelled Leningrad - not even once. The Leningrad people knew that very well. By the Syväri/Svir River the Finns never advanced, despite of the several German requests. Leningrad was not evacuated, because stalin decided so. The food was not distributed evenly, because stalin decided so - and the civilians died. The "life-line" of Leningrad was left open, because the Finns (unfortunately) decided so. For comparison: at least 30,000 Finns were killed in the ussr in the 1930's. Slava Ukraini

[@samueljack3731]

@user-mt4sy8nf9x From Karelian Isthmus.