Geopolitics Horseshoe Theory

[@otto_jk]

JJ getting progressively more annoyed as the video progresses is really hilarious

[@baldurofwrath]

JJ would never "progressively" do anything idiot

[@theredknight9314]

He is an establishment shill

[@JJMcCullough]

“Shill” is such a harsh word

[@theredknight9314]

@@JJMcCullough 🤣

[@lionskrike3753]

​@JJMcCullough love your stuff homie 😂😂

[@IMPERIALYT]

I get all my geopolitics knowledge from this channel, which might be why I keep being denied boarding rights at major international airports

[@pizzacheeseman2854]

Prager U was right about KZbin channels replacing public education but they were wrong about their channel being the one to do it

[@williamchamberlain2263]

DPrager getting schooled by 3 guys on a couch.

[@ליאםאברהם-פ4ת]

sounds like the name of an adults movie@@williamchamberlain2263

[@tuckerbugeater]

propaganda @@williamchamberlain2263

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Come back to be the perfect 666 like

[@fntatn]

@@williamchamberlain2263 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnzCXmyCZ8qripI&ab_channel=jacksfilms

[@ColCoal]

Jreg is now giving meta-ironic lectures now. We are getting into Andy Warhol levels of artistic oroboros.

[@adamtrott78]

This shit is like literally the most retarded and most genius thing at the same time.

[@francy3643]

You mispelled Ouroboros

[@jabobok786]

You misspelled autistic

[@normanclatcher]

You misspelled Warthole

[@CLOYO]

​@@jabobok786you misspelled intelligence

[@personator]

Jj and jreg interacting is such a clash of polar opposites The boomer centrism vs unhinged ironypilled anticentrism is beautiful

[@ranro7371]

jj is sleeper mosagent

[@Ajv516]

JJ isn’t a boomer. He’s a year older than me, and I’m an elder millennial. It’s like everyone forgot Gen X even existed.

[@theone7097]

@@Ajv516boomer = anyone older than gen z

[@dawsonlindahl7427]

@@Ajv516in this context it’s not being used as an age-related pejorative but either as a complete phrase “boomer centrism” or just generally referring to JJ as politically aligned with boomers

[@fedyx1544]

JJ is a rightwing Canadian. That puts him right of US democrats and left of US republicans.

[@duda1a2z]

I love Horseshoe Theory as a visual metaphor because it's literally a flawed two dimensional line being forcefully bent out of shape instead of just accepting that a left/right spectrum is not detailed enough.

[@teslashark]

Stethoscope theory!

[@Cherry-pu4mx]

Seemed detailed enough from this video

[@danielkiran8174]

You think Horshoe theory is wrong? Cause it seems to me that both radical right and radical left end up with the same bullshit takes.

[@duda1a2z]

@@danielkiran8174 yeah because they are both authoritarian. The quadrant covers this.

[@atwcat9370]

@@danielkiran8174 Horseshoe theory is wrong. It seems that way because both the left and right care about the same things. The economy, nationalism/patriotism, identity, etc. They just have very different interpretations of what the fixes for these issues are. While a leftist will chalk a mismanaged economy up to the fact that the rich care only for enriching themselves (explaining, for instance, how western economies keep growing despite 99% of people not seeing these benefits. Meanwhile someone on the right will say that the economic woes are the fault of immigrants and other undesirables that are taking jobs and sapping money from the already underfunded welfare system present in most nations.

[@mnbgt101]

JJ and Jreg collabing is further evidence for my Politics KZbinr Horseshoe Theory

[@bugglemagnum6213]

underrated comment

[@minushuman]

Centrist/anticentrist horseshoe

[@mkano7434]

It's like the infinity ♾️ extremes go back into the center

[@jangamecuber]

@minushuman the centrists have some good points and anti-centrists have other good points, lets take a middleground between them.

[@pacotaco1246]

Its because theyre both canadian. Theres only like a handful of canadians

[@MrJartsgamer]

love that you have the control centrist on hand with JJ. He hated being part of this

[@normanclatcher]

5:36 and 5:55 Blink twice if you're being held captive, JJ!

[@icecream-zi7sc]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@ranro7371that’s so untrue it’s astonishing. Israel has mandatory military service of about 3 years from the age of 18 (Arabs are excluded if they so please), so yes it is likely that many of those in attendance were former military, but the attack was on civilians. There are children, who were taken hostage. Children being undoubtedly civilians, and hostage taking, an act that is undoubtedly more than “just collateral”. Elders too. Come on, you can make better arguments for Gaza besides straight lying. Or do none of the presented arguments for Israel’s retaliation being completely unjustified hold up to your own personal scrutiny if you acknowledge the brutal inciting incident that occurred on the 7th? So you have to try and dismiss it to assuage your cognitive dissonance. Or are you just not good enough at maintaining a position with the real facts that you need to make up lies. Can’t handle a morally grey conflict? Can’t handle the brutal truth that no matter what becomes of Israel the people of have suffered and Gaza will continue to suffer because of poor governance? That regardless of other factors, there is no big battle you can win to truly relive their suffering? Can’t reconcile that the Jews in Israel have no where else to go. You make up whatever you have to to get some big obelisk of evil to bash because you can’t handle the truth.

[@bernardoohigginsvevo2974]

@@ranro7371 Uhh... based?

[@normanclatcher]

@@bernardoohigginsvevo2974 (guys help me out here-- I can't tell if he's being based or not.) -AnarchoMonarch

[@r1ght_n0w]

@@ranro7371 Least propagandist user on KZbin FRFR

[@MinusMaximusXX]

"That is the mainstream position in the entire world" - JJ A true western right there...

[@brydonthunder]

To be fair it is probably the easiest opinion across the world as a whole to have. "What about Africa" "Nobody gives a fuck what Africa has to say"

[@Gigadoomer13]

You hate black people because they support Russia and China?

[@tirsojed]

The easiest opinion to have in Latin America (and I guess Asia and Africa) is to support ceasefires and peace talks. Arming Ukraine and Taiwan is especially unpopular among the Latin American left.

[@galijuran]

@@tirsojedconsidering the history of the American army in Latin America it makes sense they wouldn’t be for Americans supplying weapons/fuelling war, but considering the history of the American army in Latin America it’s confusing to me why they wouldn’t be for the self defence of small nations against larger invading powers

[@StayFreshMyFriends]

​@@tirsojedleft wing Latin Americans are just tankies. And the right wing are Pinochet type Nazis. Very little valuable political theory found in south America

[@td23asus]

JJ not being able to joke about this and just getting annoyed is fascinating lmao.

[@akorn9943]

I will never forget how he brought a group of people to jreg’s mayoral rally to chant “status quo! status quo!”

[@sodinc]

waaaaat@@akorn9943

[@meltedsnowman9637]

He’s clearly appreciating the humour of it. He’s just playing into it.

[@meltedsnowman9637]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@ranro7371 This is disinformation btw.

[@dropandy1453]

someone has to play the straight man role for good comedy :)

[@paineoftheworld]

"This is arguably all nonsense, THIS is definitely nonsense." Now that's some satisfying analysis.

[@billbadson7598]

_"Is anyone actually advocating for that?"_ The answer is always yes.

[@wakingcharade]

JJ starting to regret all those videos he's made about mentoring the younger generation and the value of the wisdom of age in intergenerational friendships more and more by the minute.

[@JREG]

Jj blackpill arc

[@dusk2308]

@@JREG LESSSS GOOOOOO!!!!

[@ranro7371]

he's room temp iq midwit

[@wakingcharade]

@@JREG working smarter not harder, i see. go after JJ, get the entire online vexillology community as a bonus. based grindset

[@thunderthys2077]

​@@JREGYESSSSSS

[@vitaminluke5597]

Can't wait for jREG to add the fourth bar for Native Americans vs. white American suburbians. I know he's terminally online enough to know about that one!

[@samw7998]

cringe white liberal landback supporter vs chad native american conservative landback warrior

[@canadian9457]

@@samw7998 Just wait for our smoke signals bud, we'll get win against the white invaders..

[@GomulDart]

I love me some campist blood and soil, race realist, eco-fascist, ethnonationalist Native Americans. My favorite extremists after Nation of Islam people. Such a quirky group.

[@itnotmeitu3896]

@@samw7998>Native American > chad Chose one, as they’re incompatible together

[@goose9515]

​@@itnotmeitu3896racist wtf

[@ksid0644]

"the racial spirit of the Jews is communist" was not a statement I was expected to hear today

[@garshtoshteles]

kibbutzim are a thing

[@wildfire9280]

@@garshtoshteles Jello was also a thing, you don’t have people saying the racial spirit of Americans is gelatinous.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

I still can't comprehend this shiete. Soviets persecuted Jewish people for being inherently "capitalist". You know who believed they're inherently "communist". You know, maybe they're a diverse group of people. Some will support one option, some another one Similarly today there're Zionist and Antizionist Jewish people

[@Coldyham]

​@@wildfire9280I'm going to start saying it now

[@artchad]

I can't believe the third guy agreed to this with us. so grateful that he gave small youtubers like us a chance, his mentorship has been life changing.

[@thf456]

I'd like to recommend your video on Mark Fishers Capitalist Realism to everyone reading this comment!

[@serioussilliness2064]

Boobies.

[@ibbyseed]

Boob

[@Dude-vq3oe]

Who’s the third guy?

[@otto_jk]

​@@Dude-vq3oeJJs husband, Art Chad's dad, an author, astronaut and a Nobel laureate one of the most famous people on this planet... Have you lived under a rock?

[@realwolfingen8896]

I love this, it feels very much like an inmate running the asylum and J.J. is trapped in there :DDD

[@ASNS117Zero]

One thing that I feel needs to be brought up about the Evangelicals: There's a belief among some of the *really* diehard believers in that, basically, goes that Israel has to exist in order for the prophecy to be fulfilled for Jesus to return and the world to end. Therefor, all effort must be taken to support Israel, because w/o Israel, there can be no end times.

[@SCHMALLZZZ]

Catholics don't, for obvious reasons.

[@erickottke9673]

Yes I was thinking about that too. I was always creeped out about Iranian Shi'ite theology and it's obsession with end time (even Sunni Muslims are creeped out by them). Then I learned what evangelical Christians all around me actually believe

[@dannylojkovic5205]

Yeah, the Jews are more of a tool than anything. They don’t actually like Israel being in Jewish hands for eternity, just until the rapture. Meanwhile, Hamas says they need to take over Israel before the end times in Islam because all Muslim holy sites have to be under Muslim control before the final battle between good and evil. As a very moderate Catholic/christian, it makes it easy to understand why people are atheists

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

As a Christian who is a bit evangelical, I just support Israel because they’re not terrorists and their the only part of the Middle East that doesn’t kill people for their religion, unlike just south of it in Saudi Arabia. Edit: I changed my mind, I’m staying the f out of the Middle East in the future.

[@theapegod7668]

​@luigimrlgaming9484 >doesn't kill people for their religion >genocides people of another religion Also nice "all Arabs are terrorists" stereotype

[@Goldenblade14]

I can't believe Jregory kidnapped JJ and is holding him captive in his basement. By his basement, I mean JJ's.

[@v4603]

this video feels like jreg trying to rehabilitate JJ

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Might be too late he is a neo con fully now

[@NeostormXLMAX]

He also writes propaganda for bezos

[@DanielGalimidi]

Seeing how he talks about "far-left Democrats", there's a lot of work to be done.

[@REDDAWNproject]

if i've learned anything from the past 10 years, Neocons are based and better than any populist from any political side.@@NeostormXLMAX

[@manipulatortrash]

say what you want about JJ's political opinions and his written works, his videos are still great in terms of educational value. For the most part, he always makes it clear what is fact and what is his own opinion which is a lot more than what i can say about most political-content related big names nowadays. Ben shapiro, hasan piker, and all those in between, are just farming political drama with little to no care about what the facts are. It's always a constant need to try and changing their audience's minds while disavowing those who disagree with them, at least JJ makes it clear when he isn't talking about his own biases and opinions.

[@AlbertSirup]

i love how schizoid political analysis is the most sane form of understanding geopolitics right now, while normies are completely bogged down in propaganda.

[@DeclanWilde10]

PLEASE DO MORE COLLABS WITH JJ. THE CLASH OF YOUR PERSONALITIES IS FUCKING AMAZING

[@NeostormXLMAX]

establishment shill vs anti centrist radical

[@hyp3ri6n58]

They need a podcast or something. They’re so good together it’s like absurd levels of opposites attract

[@dingo1547]

@@hyp3ri6n58there is a podcast of them together actually

[@beardannyboy]

JJ is hanging out with the youths, no wonder he's been lamenting the ignorance of Gen Z of late.

[@thekillers1stfan]

as of late lmaooooo

[@NeostormXLMAX]

he is from the most ignorant generation of them all, the millennial

[@NeapolitanDynamite99]

bro said lamenting

[@StayFreshMyFriends]

There is also the far right "Islam is based and trad women shouldn't leave the kitchen" andrew tate loving crowd. Not quite the same as nick Fuentes

[@teashook9627]

It’s the exact same thing as nick Fuentes. They only follow a different religion from the same origin: Abrahamic

[@StayFreshMyFriends]

​@@teashook9627fair enough

[@waldothewalrus294]

White supremacists who think Jews are white vs Reactionaries who think Islam is a "based" religion Ukrainian neo-Nazis who believe Russians are filthy Tatars vs Russian nationalists who think Ukraine is a "globohomo" NATO puppet Taiwanese nationalists who think China is a regressive communist state vs Chinese ethnonationalists who support a totalitarian ethnostate Far-right infighting is so strange

[@PunkiBrooster]

@@teashook9627 Incorrect. Ironically, Nick is a great big cracker, and has no plans for the continued existence of Palestinians (especially their women) in the region beyond the time it takes for the Holy Roman Empire to make a comeback and reclaim Palestine. Andrew Tate would just like to be the spiritual, terminally online sultan of a Palestine that already exists (sans Jews.) There’s nuances. Nick sees himself as a subject, ultimately, only always. I find that kind of interesting.

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@teashook9627You do not understand the difference between Islam and Christianity. A far-right Christian Nazi will impose their religion, perhaps kick out all the foreigners, but they won’t go full blown Nazi and start a mass murder campaign, they’re just very authoritarian. This is because Christianity is not a religion that works well with committing mass murder or bullying others. It’s very much a religion of love and so its followers (if they’re even Christian) will still not commit outright murder against them. Islam however… well it does have a command in it called “Kill the Infidel” which is not present in Christianity, and there is a reason they force women to cover their faces in public. Radical Islam has committed some of the largest terror attacks to date. There’s a reason you don’t see many Christian Terrorists, and even when you do, they don’t target civilian infrastructure, they target places like abortion clinics which in their eyes (and mine) are as valid of a target as Auschwitz is. Perhaps the most radical will make very controversial statements, perhaps even be racist, but that is far better than what the radical Islamists will do.

[@Nyx__]

jreg is unironically a great teacher. I imagine you could show this video to anyone and they would get a good understanding of political ideologies and their interests just by watching this.

[@Nabooshlove7]

Yes!

[@asherroodcreel640]

Except the left vs right understanding of polticals is fundomentally wrong and keeps people from focusing on the social constructs and vested intrests that govern the world, also shout out to Isreali fascists going after soroce

[@myfairlady343]

Hassans palestine support has more to do with him being turkish/muslim than hard left

[@hattu7924]

thats bullshit jreg can only speak in niche internet jargon

[@NeostormXLMAX]

@@asherroodcreel640they need to read mad stirner

[@izznt]

I'm so scared of finding out the horse shoe was a circle all along

[@BotNard]

Time is a flat circle anyways.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

Then you may want to just stop thinking about politics for the rest of your life. Think about fast food, smartphone games and short form videos instead.

[@earlpipe9713]

It's the 3rd ring of the cosmic circus that a drunk juggling clown has to perpetually ride it's unicycle around to power the current timeline trajectory

[@mygills3050]

Carpe diem.

[@earlpipe9713]

@@mygills3050 Indeed, though I think seizing efforts will be a lot more successful from less distracting offline platforms

[@NBISApologist]

Can't believe Jreg forgot us hardline Kuomintang supporters in support of reclaiming the mainland😔

[@butterccm]

I once saw a video of an anti-vax girl explain her idea for something to prevent disease and she beautifully explained vaccines. This is 100% true.

[@bloodleader5]

By "anti-vax" do you mean 'has no problem with actual vaccination but is against state-enforced gene therapy'?

[@APerson-kg2nw]

lmao found the anti vaxxer@@bloodleader5

[@ricardomiles2957]

@@bloodleader5 it's always amusing to see how much faith anti vaxxers put on any gov to be so efficient to be able to pull up something like

[@somerandomname3124]

So vaccinations if they were made without additives, metals, or were sent out with no testing for side effects just to end a pandemic prematurely.

[@bloodleader5]

@@ricardomiles2957 It's amusing how you can't finish a complete sentence, and think "I support the people in charge because they are stupid" is a sensible take.

[@restpostenbasti]

knowing that jReg knows about the Hasan-Ethan-drama makes me happy for some reason

[@MK_ULTRA420]

The Hasan-Ethan-drama is the classic story of "He cries out in pain as he strikes you." but it's somehow both sides doing it this time.

[@thelord4191]

@@MK_ULTRA420 tf does that even mean? Ethan has done nothing but ask for understanding but hamas piker is death hungry dog and cant give a single concession to his friend

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@thelord4191 Oh no, you're regarded.

[@somerandomname3124]

​@@thelord4191 "Hey lets go into a logic based debate." "Ok." "It's ok to bomb children." "No." "WTF DUDE YOU'RE MEANT TO BE MY FRIEND WHY WON'T YOU AGREE WITH ME WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU." For once Hasan did the right thing. He still can't help but act like a spoiled child about it but he isn't in the wrong here.

[@thelord4191]

@@MK_ULTRA420 Ethans entire point was the "killing bad". He wasn't pro Israel at all and even that famous clip of him crying on leftovers was him reacting to a Palestinian girl dying. An insane nutjob would hate him as you do

[@SantaClaauz]

JJ has said that the purpose of knowledge is to close your mind off so I’m not surprised by his views.

[@KarlSnarks]

That's an odd perspective, how does he reason it? I know he's a neocon and this opinion about knowledge fits with that really well, just curious about it. To me it seems like knowledge first closes your mind to the lazy cop-out open-mindedness of "it could all be true, who's to say, it's all so complex" but opens your mind in a more genuine way, in exploring different possibilities, contextualizing the same information through different lenses, using different philosophical frameworks that might contradict but all say something about a subject etc.

[@SantaClaauz]

@@KarlSnarks he reasons it off the idea that the world is full of people trying to give you false but tempting propaganda and that knowledge keeps you from falling for these traps

[@meltedsnowman9637]

⁠@@SantaClaauz Sounds like kind of a Wittgenstinian esque view. I remember Wittgenstein saying something to the effect of “Some questions are better to be dissolved rather than resolved”.

[@SantaClaauz]

@@meltedsnowman9637 There’s definitely a charitable reading of it we can construct if we want but if we’re being honest JJ was just kind of panicking that people were taking ‘the wrong view’ from the bin Laden letter and freaked out to the point of endorsing an anti-thought stance in order to counter it. No thinking is better than wrongthinking ig.

[@meltedsnowman9637]

@@SantaClaauz Well that is essentially the same kind of point Wittgenstein makes. Dissolving a question would be equivalent to no thinking.

[@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding]

I love JJ's "why did I agree to this" actitude.

[@zuffin1864]

He is having fun but is indeed flustered 😂

[@robbiedubbelman3024]

... He struggles with actually understanding the situation while things Jreg turns everything into single line soundbites. "Forever war" as an explanation for an average Westerner's support for keeping Eastern Europe out of a new Russian Empire (which Eastern Europe wants), is fucking ridiculous. The Military Industrial Complex wants conflicts to continue but the reality is, they have such a grip on power, they barely need a war (i.e. assymetric conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq) just justify ridiculously bloated budgets. The truth is, the Pentagon could literally overthrow the US government if it decided to fuck it's power base, let alone if the citizens had some ideas in that direction. I think the average American doesn't understand international politics and how anti-interventionism has repeatedly been equal to supporting genocide 🤷‍♂️. But simple-minded people like to think that only "The West" can be oppressive, imperialist and genocidal. In spite of Khmer Rouge, Saddam Hussein, Stalin, Mao, Pinochet et cetera.

[@natebox4550]

@@robbiedubbelman3024American isolationists when they are pulled into a world war the 20th time.

[@googane7755]

​@@robbiedubbelman3024Interventionism goes in the other way too, as in actively supporting a genocide in Israel and Bangladesh, killing millions in Libya, Iraq, Vietnam, Cambodia and destabilising countless countries, overthrowing democracies and installing dictators. Btw the Khmer Rouge only seized power after america literally bombed the country into the stone age, going into Iraq resulted in a million dead Iraqis and led more destabilisation and radicalisation of the middle east creating breeding grounds for terror cells like ISIS and Pinochet is literally a CIA puppet. Don't talk big about how others don't understand the politics when you've demonstrated your own blatant ignorance of the history.

[@bullshitdepartment]

@@robbiedubbelman3024 anti interventionism is based because its not my problem and I don't care if saddam is killing people in some random country in the middle east

[@bigknight202]

I appreciate the guy in the middle's enthusiastic nods of encouragement for jreg

[@diegoyuiop]

Who is that guy?

[@jameslooker4791]

I'm surprised Chomsky didn't get a shout-out. He's one of the more prominent anti-Israel and anti-Ukraine intellectuals.

[@GreatLakesFeatherCo]

honestly this group didn't have a great grip on left wing politics

[@pekka405]

I mean they did tackle the anti western "tankie" position which I would say chomsky falls under

[@GreatLakesFeatherCo]

@@pekka405 tankie isn't an ideology lmao it's a word people throw at others when they're mad

[@pekka405]

​@@GreatLakesFeatherCo tankie mostly means leftists who are actively anti western hegemony and some level of stalinists. I think the word that you meant by people throw around when they are mad was actually "nazi"

[@owabowa]

​@@pekka405Chomsky, the famous anarchist-tankie

[@stoatmuldoon3131]

JJ's final sigh right before you cut the video, perfect lmao

[@Nagasakevideo]

It feels like Jreg started out as a centrist mocking extenists but then slowly learned about the actual idiologies he was poking fun at and poisoned his brain.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Becoming the mask

[@skyreelz]

soooooo does that mean we know what his actual beliefs are now

[@mygills3050]

it's always been exactly one (1) layer of irony. nothing more, nothing less

[@Oblivion9873]

M8 I think you poisoned your brain based on the stroke you just had

[@yecksd]

thats literally what happened yeah

[@jessicaevans7798]

This unironically helped me plot myself on a set of coordinates thank you for helping me dehumanize and deindividuate myself.

[@JamesofallTrades73]

Thank you jreg, i cannot afford $40k of debt for my poli sci major. But i can watch your videos and get the same experience

[@akorn9943]

I think this is what Confucius wanted learning to be

[@shittymcrvids3119]

I've studied poli sci, you are correct

[@TheRatSquid]

Imagine Jreg as your Political Science teacher.

[@uunnoov]

in a different reality

[@Daniel-yz5qj]

he’s nothing but a liberal pretending to be smart, he may be funny yea but that’s it

[@vroomkaboom108]

Gotta make that diploma worth it to your parents

[@Yet.Another.Rapper.KiG.V2]

If i wanted center left bs that ultimately supports us hegemony and their brainwashed narrative id just read the guardian. Admittedly he would be much much funner than all the other college liberals.

[@RogueSanta]

I would need more adderall for those lessons

[@tahimwaicij]

not my country's war getting called an expansion pack lmao

[@George-real]

There is a large portion of the right that doesn’t support Israel for isolationist reasons rather then anti Semitic reasons

[@雷-t3j]

yeah, considering how much the US has given Israel, how rich Israel is, how much they don't respect the US, on top of the geopolitical cost of supporting them, those right wingers aren't being unreasonable.

[@zm1786]

Yeah jreg might be a little biased in that regard. Having the whole Muslim world hate us to protect " God's chosen master race" is not really in our interest. If they are chosen by God and so powerful and the only 1st world country in the middle east, it should be easy for them to defeat a few thousand inbred muslims with rusty aks and flip flops.

[@rilesmattix5217]

Yeah but people love stamping us with being antisemitic

[@zm1786]

I dont even remember what i posted but it got deleted. but have another post i made as a rightwinger, i support palestine , because 1. it supports our geopolitical interests. 2. it is objectively the moral choice. @ndresnavarrete5166

[@MarxistMogger]

no more dog whistles just say you want ews

[@colinlpeace]

7:15 JJ: Who’s advocating that? The entire Canadian parliament: 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@ahmedalshabrawy202]

I was shocked by that I support Ukraine against an invasion but there is a sizable amount of people in Ukraine who are n.a.z.i.s

[@binben1236]

8:08 I kid you not that a guy I know genuinely believes that the Middle East should “return to Christian rule”. I’m not sure how, but he’s adamant that Christians have been prosecuted in the area and should “regain control”.

[@Coldyham]

This but unironically

[@FranciT98]

JJ is missing the crucial fact that the extremes don't believe in voting, and so the fact that there are no parties that support Russia and Palestine is a feature not a bug. Seriously, though, maybe in the US and Canada this might be the case, but globaly, in countries with more parties those positions do exist.

[@D.S.handle]

I feel like when it comes to the populist Right in the US, these people do actually vote and now are a big part of the GOP electorate. That’s said, I agree that the excision of the most radical parties is a feature of the US two party system.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@D.S.handle The populist Left in the US would rather smash windows and beat up old people than fill out a voter registration form.

[@Cornflakes-sr3nq]

They'll just ban the parties anyway. See the uk & Germany.

[@davidsenra2495]

​​@@D.S.handle I wonder if that "Jews won't replace us" crowd from the Charlottesville march in 2017 will actually go through and vote republican again despite all the support and love Israel is getting from the republicans nowadays. My vote is yes. They probably hate Arab Muslims more.

[@4Shaman]

@@D.S.handleAgree, and this video unironically demonstrates how the two party system effectively weeds out criticism and alternative narratives to the mainstream. Aka not democracy

[@juliabarrow-hemmings6624]

To be fair on the idea of the "Jewish Spirit of Communism" thing, lots of very important leftists were Jewish. Karl Marx is *debatedly* a Jew, his parents did convert to Christianity before his birth which in some traditions would make him a gentile, but he at least has a very long Jewish heritage, his paternal line is full of rabbis for example. Lenin was also quarter-Jewish, although he wouldn't count as a Jew since it was through his paternal line, but if he were alive today he'd be Jewish enough to use the Right to Return to Israel. And obviously there is Trotsky. In addition to these there a lot of more minor Jewish Socialists, the idea of the Labour Bund is originally Jewish for example. And as jREG stated, Zionism started off as a fairly left wing and liberal ideology, combine that with the Jewish Kibbutz idea and its not hard to think that Jews are just naturally socialist. There is also the link between Jews being generally rather well educated and centres of education being generally leftist as well. So really, its not that outlandish an idea, even if it has no reality beyond a marginalised people wanting a fairer system.

[@puraLusa]

U forgot to add that inicial soviet was very much into the foundation of the jewish state. It suspended its recognition when arab states started their baath coups. So there is that.

[@esthersteier6840]

As a Jew I would argue that the Jews who were part of founding communism and Zionism Were simply looking for a way to eliminate anti - Semitism. They were all secular and simply wanted to create and environment where they would be considered “equal” Ironically they simply created more conspiracies through their actions….

[@juliabarrow-hemmings6624]

@@puraLusa Eh, depends, I don't think Lenin ever really commented on Zionism, although he was against the idea of anti-Semitism, claiming it was Capitalist propaganda. Stalin meanwhile gave a lot of lip service about being against anti-Semitism but was also... Massively anti-Semitic sooooo.

[@puraLusa]

@@juliabarrow-hemmings6624 he was anti-theist. The many nazi conspiracies about the jews weren't a nazi original. It all starts with an opera in paris, a tzar aaking a russian writer to do something similar and then it getting appropriated by the nazis. Don't remmeber the russian author sorry. Anyway, stalin was 1st in favour of a jewish state as a slap to british empire, than he backtracked and supported the arabs (due to baath party) and he actually used said stupid conspiracies and spread them in the arab world. There is also the palest armed resist being used to do soviet bidding in middle east, hence why the palest were present in the atempt to overthrow jordanian monarchy for example. All in all, stalin 1st position was for a jewish state and not liking the arab states cause they were monarchies and muslim, a religion he despised even more due to his need to control central asia, his need to legitimize a slavic crimea etc.

[@easytiger6570]

Haven't seen any jews near labour party lately? So where they been?

[@supahotfire9176]

Another take from Germany: Our far right (with sympathys for the Nazis but on paper they dont like Nazis) are most suckups for Russia for the exact same reasons you stated but there is a small party called the third way (a reference to the third reich and honest Nazi supporters) that actually support Ukraine. They reason their support with the nazi movement in Western Ukraine that was against the soviets in WW2 and collaborated with the Nazis before they were imprisoned by the Nazis. But this party also likes Wagner and the huuuuge nationalistic part of Russia. Its wild out there.

[@fumo7467]

I was not expecting the funny political extremist man who i watched in middle school to be making good geopolitical analysis.

[@SteeleJohnson-o7u]

oldest jreg fan

[@telotawa]

fumo

[@solidaritytime3650]

He's fucking NOT though. If you think this is solid political commentary you're as incompetent as the standard internet commentator

[@adamlagerqvist8111]

Good...?

[@samw7998]

@@SteeleJohnson-o7u Jreg has been making content for a while

[@PoolNoodleGundam]

JJ Jackass over there really bringing down the mood in there pass him the crack pipe already

[@the1exnay]

It wasn’t until his name was said that i realized that was jj. I just completely did not expect that crossover, and i love it

[@klein8697]

JJ and jreg are an incredible combo, never stop exploiting your relationship for clout and content

[@notsostealthmission5184]

3:10 Tbh Two-State solution kinda is pro Israel. Since the solution would favor Israel, they aren’t going back to 1967 borders (which were more 50/50)

[@VioIetShift]

Most two-state advocates use the 1967 borders as their desired starting point.

[@hjorturerlend]

@@VioIetShift The problem is that the West Bank settlements have to be dismantled in order for the 2-state solution to work and no Israeli government is going to do that because: 1. No relevant political parties support that, cuz Zionism. 2. Doing so would probably plunge Israel into civil war due to Religious Zionism being so much bigger in Israel these days, especially among the youth. This problem is only going to get worse due demographic trends. We're at the point where sane solutions can only be imposed externally.

[@sercravenmohead3631]

Two-State isn’t pro anything, it’s just the status quo conflict. After the first Arab Israeli war Israeli PM Ben Gurion advocated the “co-state” in which Palestinians would get majority in the legislature, saying “it’s the only way forward”. Then you’ll ask yourself well why didn’t that happen? It’s because the Palestinian authority refuses to negotiate and come to these terms so instead they’d rather antagonize Israel every few decades and get rolled over by the IDF. We actually know the co-state would work because nearly 1/4 of Israel’s population is Arab Muslim and when polled they prefer to live in the state of Israel, not Palestine. Of course anyone opposed to that would say Israelis need to leave, people tend to forget Jewish resettlement at first wasn’t facilitated by the western powers, it was actually the Ottomans in the “Balfour declaration”. Israeli PM Ben Gurion had an Ottoman Empire citizenship and attended university in Istanbul. This is also the same guy who is in charge of the Zionist movement, all the British did was uphold the Balfour agreement and continued Jewish settlement which actually wasn’t a problem and in that agreement both local Muslims, and Ottomans recognized Jerusalem as ancient ancestral homeland of the Jews. It became a problem only when Islamist parties took over neighboring Arab countries and viewed Israel as a threat.

[@easytiger6570]

It favours Palestine because Palestine would get land back

[@ren2871]

The Palestinians have no interest in a state. Those advocating for it don't understand that basic fact. They don't want a state because then it means any grievances are laid to rest. They haven't gotten over that very fact that Israel exists and the 1948 war turned (started by the Arab League) led to the "Nakba" and also, the Palestinians are the world's favorite "oppressed" child. Billions are pumped into the West Bank and Gaza by Western countries and also Arab countries as well as hundreds of millions are transferred over to the PA by the Israelis each year and there's no accountability for it. All the Palestinian senior officials are millionaires and they have a pretty good gig right now going for them, why would they give it up? 2 states mean that the Palestinians have to build their own country and Fatah and Hamas have to share power, hold elections, build democratic institutions and we know they have no interest in that. A poll in the summer showed that 66% of Gazans don't believe Israel will make it to their 100th year anniversary. The biggest Jordanian Gazette printed an article in Hebrew calling Israel a failed settler state that will collapse in the next few years. These are the inherent beliefs the Arabs have, that somewhere down the line Israel will cease to exist.

[@GLUBSCHI]

The canada youtube multiverse is colliding

[@dementedfairy7373]

thank you for your candid and incisive take on this pressuring current issue. I'm always waiting for the geopolitics take from my favorite parasocial relationship at any given moment so I then know who it is trendy within my community to support👍

[@solidaritytime3650]

THIS is the only comment that praises JReg's video in the correct way. All these people saying "wow! Never expected JReg to have an actually correct political model!" Are fucking braindead

[@Yet.Another.Rapper.KiG.V2]

His geopolitics are ehh. He doesnt understand russia or china very well, very "i listen to whatever the west says about their enemies" pilled

[@adidelouya9989]

nice one Jreg! you really showed zogpilled JJ who’s boss

[@skx444]

follow your leader

[@pilopet1150]

@@skx444 but im already in argentina?

[@ffff7164]

@@pilopet1150 Start painting.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

@@skx444 stalin purged more jews than hitler lmao the entire reason why Trotsky was purged was due to stalin not trusting jews. karl marx also wrote 200 pages on why Judaism is bad. max stirner didn't like jews ether even though him and marx hated each other. kant as well even though him and hegal were opposites anti Semitism is bi partisian, both the grey zone and info wars talk about the zog, its truly horseshoe theory

[@AmasterfulJuice]

insane comments

[@leviroussel-lustgarten7110]

It’s pretty hilarious how, despite all the meta-irony, Jreg has a better grasp of these positions then the guy who is a pseudo authority on politics

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Jj is just bezos and the establishment’s pawns read some of the stuff he writes

[@problems3485]

A lot of people that really get into politics can sometimes forget how an opinion can be formed from wrong information

[@MrSomeDonkus]

Jreg should make more videos with the primary purpose of anoyying jj. I find it very entertaining.

[@WhyGodby]

Thanks so much for hosting that second ironic rave. Couldn't make it ti the first one but the vibes were immaculate this Friday

[@JREG]

Thanks for coming! Our best show yet!!

[@shinjinobrave]

The interesting thing here is that who ever this JJ guy is, he shows that being "normal" and thinking whatever "regular people" think, can make you even more insane than any extremist.

[@Tofu_va_Bien]

He's a self-described conservative. Apparently neocons are considered "moderates" these days.

[@manwithnewname]

​@@Tofu_va_Bienhe's not a neocon if he's not supporting interventionist policies to project American power. Also he's a progressive conservative Canadian, basically a moderate US Democrat.

[@noespell]

I for one fully endorse any content that makes JJ this fucking uncomfortable.

[@user-yw9mw9hv8o]

I like the distinct lack of any sort of analysis on any of these conflicts and how opinion is different from it and how someone doesn't have to support a conflict party, but conflict solutions instead.

[@user-yw9mw9hv8o]

Oh and the mischaracterization of some popular figure's beliefs... beautiful.

[@user-yw9mw9hv8o]

thank you for gracing me with your most valuable input!!!@varalderfreyr8438

[@Amin_al_Husseini_1941_picture]

exactly, we must stay calm and not feel like we need to pick between Holocaust survivors or the arab supremacists who happened to ally with Germany during ww2

[@user-yw9mw9hv8o]

@@Amin_al_Husseini_1941_picture Leave it to you to be unironically antisemitic, when Holocaust survivors actually share widely different opinions. Oblivious also when it comes to the role of the British in this supposed allyship with Germany. Don't even bring that up, if you're not gonna also mention the terrorists that had similar considerations. But yet again you let your gaze wander in a racist fashion instead of finding any sort of criticism for the architects of these colonial projects. Go read a book. I mean what? haha

[@frvn6756]

2:14 the moment Jreg confirms the thwarted Moebius zizek/hegel identity of opposites, when some content transforms into its contrary.

[@AnythingMachine]

This has real they're all locked in a basement with JREG vibes

[@telotawa]

tbh i kinda expected jreg to counter all of the arguments jj made but he just called him a zionist which is more epic actually

[@appa609]

tbf almost all Westerners are at least kinda Zionist

[@oltimos8888]

He cant counter who that is right 🇮🇱😎

[@quartzking3997]

10:50 “that’s just like the mainstream opinion of the entire world” Yeah if you define the “world” as the five eyes and the EU

[@JJMcCullough]

And all of South America, Asia, most of Africa…

[@wabbajocky8235]

​@@JJMcCulloughJJ, stop sorting comments by new. it's bad for your health

[@hamburgerboy]

@@JJMcCullough Most of South America exists as a de facto American colony, and Southeast Asia (many China's closest neighbors) generally has a pro-Chinese view.

[@manwithnewname]

​@@hamburgerboyso you're saying he's correct, but the South American nations are just US colonies, what?

[@DevinGamage]

@@JJMcCullough westoid opinion detected, thats simply not the case

[@sinfinite7516]

JJ looks so mad lmaooo

[@NeostormXLMAX]

centrists always get angry when people see past the illusion

[@johkupohkuxd1697]

​@@NeostormXLMAX So true. Centrist are just as much indoctrinated and self-deceived in their ideology and views as extremists. (I don't believe this, but it is correct)

[@googane7755]

​@@NeostormXLMAXGood catch!

[@yusufgazi7]

Is he Jewish?

[@theresa_sweetheart]

I wish I had friends like Jreg who would sit me down and show me charts 😢 this seems like so much fun...but no i just spend all day reading tweets about israeli spermjacking and im supposed to be "happy with my life"...sheesh 🙄

[@bananabed9492]

depression is just a chemical imbalance i love the system i love the system i love the system

[@Bizarro69]

**points and laughs**

[@sercravenmohead3631]

Maybe you shouldn’t read tweets all day

[@odrs]

We got a chronically online waiter

[@tytrater2136]

“I made it up in my own head, and I like it” If we could all just be so god damn honest about our bullshit takes instead defending them to the death, we might actually build a world worth living in

[@eblom366]

Gee jREGular! Thanks for this warm spoonful of CAN-CON! What would I do without my healthy dose of good old-fashioned Canadian Content!!!!! 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@allibaba711]

God i love jReg. Thank you for breaking down the conflict in the exact lense that ive been consuming it- thru eceleb drama. As we all should.

[@_S3]

maybe just read?

[@allibaba711]

How do you see this on a jreg video no less and think I'm being sincere you absolute tard

[@AofCastle]

​@@_S3never (never)

[@wildfire9280]

Russia supports traditional family values, like legalized domestic violence.

[@iyamzach]

I wish that instead of understanding all of this I could remember my childhood friend Walker better

[@CLOYO]

Choices mate

[@dankcreme3687]

🙏 praying for u

[@JH-ty2cs]

Jreg is the Joker to JJ's Batman and i'm kinda here for it

[@unstable7505]

I didn't realize JJ was so... wrong about everything

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

"He's a Zionist so you can't trust them" I can't believe that JReg is unironically right about something

[@Baguette17]

Ik right

[@HadynTM]

Jjs center right is showing by how seriously hes taking these graphs, as if they are based in any reality.

[@Frankishsaxon89]

I’m glad you included the part about the minority of the far right who support Ukraine in the States. However, in the Baltics and Finland, they overwhelmingly constitute the majority.

[@proudtitanicdenier4300]

Based russia hatred

[@easytiger6570]

Also Georgia Azerbaijan and a particular niche of Kazah nationalists

[@meltedsnowman9637]

It’s almost non existent in the states interestingly enough.

[@Yet.Another.Rapper.KiG.V2]

Nobody should be surprised. The nords and the baltics are infested with nazis, have been ever since ww2

[@erickottke9673]

30 years ago the right in the US would have looked the same as Baltic and Finland (see Reagan and Bush policies). What's happening now is the result of some really weird identity politics stuff. In reality most of the right doesn't really care about Russia at all. They just oppose whatever Biden is doing, even if they would normally agree with it. If you look at the center right a lot of politicians are loud about how Biden is too slow supporting Ukraine. They have to make it about sh----g on Biden even if they actually agree with what he's doing.

[@woclass_weeb]

Damn. That JJ dude sure is wrong a lot.

[@woclass_weeb]

@thepeoplesrevolutionradio cope

[@dAWwr906]

@thepeoplesrevolutionradio Aren't you a communist or it that an ironic thing? Shouldn't "moderate" conservative be the type of person you hate the most?

[@vitaminwater9662]

​@Sphrerikal nice deflection looza

[@NeostormXLMAX]

⁠@@dAWwr906the pseudo commies are just neo liberals in a mask like vaushnir destint

[@manwithnewname]

​@@vitaminwater9662nothing to deflect, the weeb just blurted out "cope".

[@JersyiteGaming]

Man Jreg you really showed who those political people whose boss!

[@appa609]

Is it the Jews?

[@oggolbat7932]

Unironically supporting the 9th crusade to retrieve the Holy Land rn

[@MK_ULTRA420]

Same but from the other side of Asia as a Mongol Horde.

[@hillhokan4378]

9th? We are in the 15th (I think so)

[@joeschmo4646]

We need another Baldwin IV on God.

[@ffff7164]

What could go wrong?

[@greywolf7577]

That's fine, but they better be Mongols and not Chinese. We want the real deal.@@MK_ULTRA420

[@drgrey7026]

JJ looks like the dad who doesn't like his daughters boyfriend but is unsuccessfully trying to hide it.

[@Woodscraps-lr5vz]

Horseshoe theory is the ultimate form of "Both Sides Bad™"

[@MK_ULTRA420]

bad bait

[@matityaloran9157]

When unsophisticated, yes

[@somerandomname3124]

Both sides good actually chud.

[@danielwoods3896]

Certified "other side bad" moment

[@alanspirand880]

@@danielwoods3896 It often IS bad tho

[@lyxandrast0ttr0n1x8]

I just want my jREG + JJ wacky roommates sitcom

[@tissuepaper9962]

*Kramer voice* "HeeeEEEYY JJ!"

[@LeoulB]

The nervousness/anxiety of the guy sitting in the middle is possibly the best part of this video.

[@diegoyuiop]

Who's that btw?

[@LeoulB]

Probably a guy who lost a bet or something​@@diegoyuiop >> the representative sample of most people with no firmly held beliefs yet concerned about other people's opinion of their opinion... or.... the guy ... in the middle.

[@sophie7393]

We are insanely centrally back jReg

[@sophie7393]

What the fuck is jj talking about

[@coows]

i love how jj always listens to what jreg says almost as if he's watching a movie and is about to be pissed.

[@d6o9]

11:32 “Hamas emerge victorious” IN WHAT WORLD

[@actionjackson5212]

"...it shows that political extremism is always defined by a certain degree of self loathing" JJ calling me out hard right now

[@timisontube]

Extreme measures to overcome loathsome conditions, and/or world hatred expressed as self destruction. Take your pick bc imo it’s a bit of both

[@felixsylvester4266]

That whole analysis was pretty terrible, especially the beginning. "These are the mainstream positions of the entire world." Spoken like a true Westoid.

[@BasicLib]

@@felixsylvester4266, Bro, just liten to thouse of us from the developing world and our governments and the votes we've had in the UN: Pro-Ukraine (Russia Leave) 2 State Solution (Free Palestine, Israel is a legitimate state) One China policy Like this is the international consensus unless you are living under a rock.

[@BasicLib]

@@Mega88888 My brother. I am not a fucking westerner I do not live ANYWHERE Close to the west My country is even Muslim Plurality (despite me not being one) Gets Its official position on the Israeli - Palestinian conflict is 2 state solution along 67 boarders Which imaginary countries do you see in the past few years have flipped to a one state solution?

[@joeywheelerii9136]

Don't have any hard data but it seems most people in the political fringe have gone through at least one long phase of suicidal depression.

[@Cyanopteryx]

@8:20 "is anyone actually advocating for this?..." My 86 year old grandma is lol.

[@tedrash7402]

Can you make a tier list of geopolitical youtubers? Caspian report, good times bad times, kraut, politics with paint, jonny harris and so on? I think it would be nice to hear your thoughts on many of geopolitical channels

[@mwalter98]

damn jj is actually insane, what is he saying

[@popefrancis6920]

The parts where he tried to put actual input into the Israeli conflict hurt to listen to

[@aSmallGreenDot]

he's a conservative, thats why nothing he says makes sense

[@DanielGalimidi]

@@aSmallGreenDot He's something even worse than a conservative: a centrist.

[@based_mouse]

@@DanielGalimidi his ideology is actually pretty far-right. he just knows how to couch his positions in the kinds of language and framing that liberals and social-democrats vibe with and he labels himself as a centrist (a thing which some far-right political commentators do as a tool to target a less radically right-wing audience with their ideological message). it's similar to the approach Johnny Harris uses to push far-right propaganda via liberal-sounding phraseology, and which he uses to reinforce the narratives pushed by the Dept. of Defense and State Dept. in the US, since he generally agrees with their positions on foreign policy.

[@shadowseek27]

​@@based_mouseyeah there was a certain falseness to his manner of speaking that really put me off his content when I first found him, I think he's an alright guy, but weirdly enough, he's too extreme in his views and quickly labels things to suit his worldview

[@twentyfirstcenturygothic]

I DONT READ THEORY I WATCH JREG 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

[@Xfighter22]

This is the first video i've ever seen from this chanel. The bro banter while actually giving a pretty fucking spot on analysis. I've always thought about how the support of nations even though considered "right" or "left" always have way more of a spectrum than we are let known. Yeah this was pretty cool. Good perspectives.

[@cameronwaters3641]

This was actually way more fun than it had any right to be

[@constipatedwonka8061]

1:34 a rare moment of JJ smiling because of a joke and not dying on the inside

[@mateostenberg]

I feel like the only point of this was to make jj as uncomfortable as possible

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Also jj mcshill trying so hard 😂😂😂

[@manwithnewname]

Not as hard as you in these comments buddy

[@manwithnewname]

He's actually using his brain yes

[@Т1000-м1и]

I used to say the pony cartoon as "My Illiterate Horseshoe" because that's what I thought of after waking up at 3 AM once or smth. So that's that

[@chatboychit]

that's awesome

[@coletakkish4389]

In case y'all're curious, I think the extreme left-wing case for Israel would go something like this: In Marxist theory, a society must progress through several different systems of political economy in order to ultimately arrive at communism, with each successive system developing the means of production and facilitating greater class consciousness. In order to make redistribution under communism effective, a society must first expand its industrial sector and develop its natural resources under capitalism, and in order to facilitate a workers' revolution, the proletariat must be able to organize freely and not be entirely beholden to reactionary ideologies, including religion. This logic was actually used by Marx to justify European colonialism in Africa and Asia, dubiously arguing that it introduced these colonies to industrialization and secular rationalism. If we take this theory as true, given Palestine's poverty and the theocratic influence of groups like Hamas, communism could not develop due to a lack of material resources and the grip of Islam on the consciousness of the proletariat. Thus, Israeli hegemony in the Levant should actually be favored from an orthodox Marxist perspective, as the colonial influence of Israel might industrialize the region and combat Islam's influence as an ideological force among the proletariat. Assuming that Israel gradually subsumes Palestine into its system of political economy and that sociocultural barriers between the Palestinian and Israeli proletariat are gradually eroded, eventually Israeli hegemony will produce the material conditions and class solidarity necessary for communist revolution. This is all, of course, completely buck-wild and doesn't neatly reflect anyone's view of the world. But at least theoretically, it could make some twisted amount of sense

[@bcvetkov8534]

This was genuinely very funny and a great video overall.

[@AGenericAccount]

JJ's reaction to greg saying zogged is golden

[@Tgungen]

I think the best way to describe this content would be "popular science but its for political science"

[@beardannyboy]

I recognize art chad/sea salt moses and JJ but who's the man in the middle? Jreg writing "a third guy that needs no introduction, we all already know who he is" immediately makes me suspicious that I shouldn't actually know who he is.

[@hwithumlaut8288]

His name is Ben

[@markusklyver6277]

@@hwithumlaut8288 Ben who?

[@tissuepaper9962]

@@markusklyver6277 Ben Dover and lick deez nuts!