George Christie Jr. on Why There are No People of Color in Hells Angels' U.S. Chapters (Part 5)

[@vladtv]

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[@7aldivine]

The Wheels of Soul Motorcycle Club are a multiracial one-percenter outlaw motorcycle club. Although they are active nationwide in the United States (in addition to a chapter in Puerto Rico), they are primarily based out of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. With chapters in at least 25 states across the US, the group claims to be the country's largest mixed-race outlaw motorcycle club.

[@rmendoza5953]

There is one guy that did an interview on KZbin and the title was something like "If a shot caller calls a shot on you" I don't really remember the name of the video but the guy was a former Green Beret in prison and he was a tough SOB. He beat up the guys that came for him and he eventfully beat up the shot caller. The shot caller thought the guy was crazy because he thought the guy wasn't afraid of being killed. I wish that I can find the video and watch it again.

[@mikee6571]

@@7aldivine The Chosen Few are also mixed-race organizations.

[@davidmitnick868]

I dated a girl whose father was an enforcer for the Hells Angels. She said he once tied a guy to a flagpole and would raise him and drop him repeatedly, each time raising him higher and higher. I decided our relationship just wouldn't work out.

[@NoName-cn3cp]

Ok liar

[@franko8572]

Damn, seems like the risky move. You decided to break the girls heart? Seems like a guaranteed way to be on the flag pole.

[@darrinparker161]

😂

[@KhaledTheSaudiHawkII]

So how did you find the flagpole experience after you broke up with her?

[@DooDeeDew]

That's why you are 99%, because you chose not to ride the pole, imagine what fun you could have.

[@vistalite-ph4zw]

I don't ride and not affiliated with no MCs just stating the facts: Back in the 70s my family was at the boat races in Lake Elsinore Ca. My oldest brother got lost and my parents were frantic. Lake Elsinore wasn't that big at the time and the police searched the area. He was found in a Hells Angels clubhouse playing pool. The Hells Angels found him crying by the main street and took him back to their clubhouse about a mile away.

[@RandelSnitchon_em]

great story they are just misunderstood angles lmfao

[@shawnbillions1886]

How old was your brother

[@vistalite-ph4zw]

@@shawnbillions1886 He was about 7 or 8 at the time...

[@adrianpate4694]

@@shawnbillions1886 he was 27 😂

[@THEKING-tt5rp]

he was 28 🤣

[@csdfgtrss]

Dude this was your best interview, just let them do the talking and guide as needed. Awesome.

[@Lucky00Slevin]

@tonyvision

[@bangryman100]

I saw a Black Hells Angel member in Md. Seems as if he knew the others since they were young or something. They were cool no problems.

[@FrankinDallas]

That's because is wasn't Vlad doing the interview.

[@robertstevensonjr3286]

When you're a man roaming this land, it's best to be alone because you're responsible for your actions. But when you're with a group and they commit a crime and get caught, you'll find out how loyal the crew really is. Especially when they have to save their own neck. That's going on as we speak. The system made it really easy to get away with being a criminal by turning into a snitch. Cold game.

[@L.ATRAFFICNMADNESS]

Preach brother

[@blackwolverine1]

Guilt by association, same thing applies to Costra Nostra and street gangs.

[@BOOLERTHANOPPS]

Speaking FACTS

[@12babyapes59]

Goodfellas

[@kernalization]

Or you just fo legal stuff and not do anything illegal 🤷

[@bitplaya7432]

Of the non Vlad staff I can listen to this guy's voice the easiest. More from him please

[@brownjatt21]

Fax OG New Yorker right there.

[@tomselleck5560]

He doesn’t say “football numbers” and ask self incriminating questions on 17 year old beefs so that’s a start

[@devilinthedetails8350]

He’s trying to have a conversation Vlad just wants a sound bite. He’s not authentic at all ‘so I want to start at the beginning’ doesn’t even start his interviews with a genuine or original thought or feeling, purely business.

[@blackamerican40]

As long as the interviewer can say the word "herion" correctly, he could interview the Grand dragon of the KKK and I'd be intrigued. 😅

[@t.n.t-thug-n-thoro2445]

"It is what it is." Well said!

[@tiemanschnitzel7940]

Deep

[@mcarlkv53]

every time i hear george christie speak, he always speak with wisdom, discernment, critical thinking, and authority

[@johngilmore697]

I've got a chubby

[@citypopFM]

Once he began speaking about the California prison system, I already knew the answer was going to make a lot of sense.

[@TheBlackmanIsGod]

Which in California goes back to the 50s when the Mexican Mafia began, Pegleg one importnat founding member was half Slovakian (white European) and made the connection Southsiders to the AB way back then. That’s the beginning of the racial beef that poured out onto the streets in California. It’s California history.

[@citypopFM]

@@TheBlackmanIsGod I'm from LA so I'm fairly versed on that stuff but you're not lying.

[@Helelsonofdawn]

@@citypopFM and they all vote democrat to this day

[@jakeackermann9059]

​@@HelelsonofdawnGod, you people that bring politics into everything are so insufferable.

[@Playaflydre]

​@berniebrosrpedos7488 the fact you think they vote is hilarious. There's a reason why your fuhrer says he loves the poorly educated. An you fit the description 100% lol

[@redsky7527]

The California prison system is absolutely divided by racial lines. You will ride with your car. It’s just the way it is.

[@lamaarporter300]

Did you hear this on KZbin lol everyone knows that thanks for the input

[@EYEH8MOSTOFYOU]

Its More then just the California system

[@Mosa685]

Yep

[@maiyjekns]

California is a shxt hole of a state

[@RosvStudios]

@@antoniobrown411 thats not national at all. That's mostly in cali.

[@kynshii]

I just wish our people would stop trying to he included in everything. Let them have their own snd we have ours and go where we're accepted

[@Foenem521]

Say it again !!!!!!!!!!!

[@kynshii]

@@Foenem521 👑💪🏾

[@DrewMarino1995]

Please do so we dont have to hear yall cry and whine and claim racism when its not yalls way 😂

[@Tuelz...]

​@@DrewMarino1995it's actually both ways tho... you notice white ppl have to be involved in every single black thing. Rock and Roll... no now it's ours... Hip Hop... now it's ours... Black Lives Matter no all lives matter... Black History Month wait we want our own month... I really feel like deep down white ppl still think they own Black ppl

[@WopJr]

@@atrain9610the irony is crazy 😂😂😂

[@Skrillasp1023]

I had an Hells Angels friend. He wasn't racist at all but he said he could introduce us to a few members but the rest of them wasn't going for shit. There's is definitely validity to this

[@lordoffaiyum9727]

Only black people get critiqued for forming our own. Everu race thinks its ok for them but hate to see us do it. Drives them crazy

[@elijaharvinger1178]

@@noartist2694 First and foremost the Hell's Angels not accepting non white members was DEFINITELY rooted in racism. And second you do know that most black neighborhoods aren't crime ridden right? Please tell me you know black people don't just live in the ghetto? You know that's the equivalent of saying all white neighborhoods are rich and crime free right? You're one of those"I'm not a racist" guys who follows that statement up immediately by saying something racist aren't you.

[@SS-fb7zd]

@@noartist2694 this is wild all black neighborhoods crime ridden? Hell i would not want to live anywhere hells angels live

[@justinrichardson4456]

​@@elijaharvinger1178bullshit. The VAST majority of black neighborhoods ARE crime ridden shit holes, because you ppl care nothing about keeping the neighborhood nice and a place where children can grow up and families can live. It's literally, constantly, 'everything is white ppls fault '. It's nauseating and pitiful. Morning other group in America does this shit.

[@TheMrHavish]

@@noartist2694 You mean Indians from India, right?

[@WestSideBarson]

He's telling the truth. If you read the book by Tobi Gene Livingston the founder and original of the east bay dragons he explains the same thing. The angels and the east bay dragons have a solid relationship and have for many many many years. Also the chosen few it's a integrated club but primarily black and they have a good relationship with the angels too.

[@Benjamin-jo4rf]

You from Philly? You know there is dark skinned clubs right here in Pennsylvania? Or do you only watch discovery channel and report your findings?

[@WestSideBarson]

@@Benjamin-jo4rf I'm from L.A. and idk what you mean by the rest of your comment. It makes absolutely no sense.

[@marcushopkins2290]

He answered that question perfectly.

[@JamesCraigWhoop]

My friend in CA went to the drunk tank. He stood in line to make a call. He saw an open phone and used it. A guy behind him told him that it was not his phone. It didnt register til the guy said there were different racial phones. He used the Mexicans. They threatened to beat him when lights went down. Thankfully he got bailed before.

[@SidewaysBurnouts]

@@louisi363 depends, drunk tank is free for all, level one and two, but a serious until will have designated phones.

[@caradesicatriz772]

@@louisi363you must’ve been at a station my guy cause segregation starts as soon as you enter LA county jail

[@terminatorx6230]

I know of a Black HA member in NYC. I would see him fully decked out wearing the vest in front of their clubhouse in the East Village

[@kevinweaver4694]

Sure he wasn’t the janitor?

[@themangavin0140]

Sure he wasn’t the delivery guy?

[@noblesspell]

i have heard of him in NYC as well

[@johnphantom1344]

The outcast and thunder guards are two old school black outlaw clubs. That started in the 60s

[@seanhoneyman3388]

Here in Australia the H.A’s have a good number of islander and middle eastern members and even when you hit prison you can either be with your race or club

[@89RealThe]

Came here to post this.

[@paulp7561]

RIP Tobie Gene Levingston, East Bay Dragons founder. 🙏🏾

[@albrown1812]

Wow he really detailed this,and broke it down..Makes sense

[@aaroncoles3112]

LMAO @5:20 the Black Unicorns 😭😭🦄🦄🖤🖤

[@yacinedjemil978]

The Zulus MC are a Black 1%er club based in Cleveland OH, I used to see them riding around every so often

[@Rambunctious216]

The Omens are based out of Ohio also.

[@GHOST91141]

I heard of them before

[@jenniferanne4143]

...not to be confused with the older club outta Detroit called the Zulus m/c, (64'-65'?) which is a white club, I believe they were the first m/c to use that name, several years before the black club in Cleveland. No affiliation to each other.

[@betogarcia463]

Everytime i hear this interviewers voice it reminds me of when they had joey torres on smh unclick 😅

[@brittemanuel1369]

There is a great book about the origins of The East Bay Dragons and Tobie Levingston titled "Soul in Bikes" that will really shed light in all this. Great read

[@HeatherSpoonheim]

I find the prison racial lines difficult to understand. It's inmates against guards - that should be the divide. I believe the system itself has figured out how to socially engineer the racial lines in prison just to keep the inmates turned against each other rather than banded together against the guards.

[@GuyFromTheSouth]

It wouldnt be in the benefit of anyone to team up against the guards. The guards bring in the contraband and they can make your life hell.

[@kevinsharpe87]

I lived in Ventura the biggest HA chapter. He’s a legend in Ventura

[@sircaptain9673]

He just said they're not racist but we don't allow blacks in because of prison politics. We hang with black people tho. Lol

[@BLVCKSEA]

My boy Andrew is the VP of the Stockton Hells Angels Chapter and he is Thai/Laos. Rules have changed over the years.

[@MikeJ75]

How many Asians are part of the stockton chapter? Jw

[@H.S.H.M.]

I believe it. The local news in San Jose had 5 Hells Angels members arrested few months ago & one of the guys was Asian

[@SidewaysBurnouts]

@@MikeJ75 i think frenso, sf, daily city, sj and modesto all have a couple asians.

[@MikeJ75]

@@SidewaysBurnouts thank you for the info!! Appreciate it

[@SidewaysBurnouts]

@@MikeJ75 i forgot oakland, they were the first with san fran.

[@craigpetties1476]

The biker club was East Bay Dragons MC from Oakland the guy was Tobie Livingston

[@sopranofanpageKRRC]

This interviewer has been doing good interviews

[@a.m.m.4592]

Being from the Oakland, he explains this well in a short time. The prison politics dictate the streets to a point. However, in the streets, the HA's are not out doing racist things. The guys from San Francisco chapter, Richmond chapter etc come up with black dudes as in the Bay us working class grow up together regardless of color.

[@RegardlessRecords]

Had The EastBay Dragons expanded outside of their 1 and only mother club they would have probably been the largest Black MC in the nation. Like he said The Dragons & HA function in the bay. Tobin & Sonny probably go way back to start. Tobie just never wanted to expand outside of the mother chapter. I always wondered why. They probably could have projected around the same scale.

[@SidewaysBurnouts]

might have kept the feds out of their hair, they dont have the history of being framed every few years by ambitious cops and attorneys like the angels.

[@homelessman3483]

Less variables

[@yorkazuna5934]

This was a good interview. George Christie is a great subject and Vlad asked some good questions.

[@brown123487]

Vlad wasn't asking the questions,he not interviewing 😂

[@timothylawson3262]

😮.

[@MamboKing215]

The philosophy 'never make an important decision based on emotion, base on logic' is common among those born right after WWII. I'd hear my dad cite that to me repeatedly growing up.

[@qp4367]

what is logic

[@MamboKing215]

@@qp4367 rational ponderance

[@toneocaster]

George is the real deal! 👊🏼

[@user-xq4jw2yg4f]

Good interview

[@MongoltheMaligator]

I have met mexican American Hells Angels. Look up George López funeral in Stockton ca. He was a Hells Angels in good standing.

[@YourBigHomieDancingBear]

Exactly, I know a few 81 who are chicanos out of Stockton. They even rock a patch that says “chicano”.

[@MongoltheMaligator]

@YourBigHomieDancingBear it makes sense we run together in the California Prisons and County Jails.

[@1Interloper]

@@MongoltheMaligator smh

[@MongoltheMaligator]

@disneydoodles4353 shake your head. I don't give a fuck. Dumb ass

[@babyboy562]

@@1Interloperthey lap dogs brotha and claim brown Pride 🤦🏾‍♂️ when we are the true brown peoples lol everybody ain’t built like US 💪🏾

[@riqodinero]

We have black outlaw clubs we don’t need to join up with the angels to be considered outlaw their privilege is not the same as ours

[@mikedonovan6665]

Yeah.. they are mostly imitators who live the life but have no pull in these streets.I hung around the oldest club in NYC it was sad. All they did was create drama and pass around busted down women. When some of the heavier white groups started coming in NYC the jjust bowed

[@riqodinero]

@@mikedonovan6665 lmao ok Mike Donovan

[@mikedonovan6665]

@@riqodinero name is fake but knowledge is real

[@newagain9964]

Diff is hells angels gets protection from the police and FBI. 💁‍♂️

[@JK-we2np]

Lol tell me you have no clue what your talking about again. The big 5 are white and Hispanics and if they operate in your area no clubs get 👍 without the dominants approval in this life you abide by shit set forth before your time… you have no clue what your spewing

[@Cancelthis1541]

I went to a George Christie talk here in Ventura CA about 4 years ago. Very interesting. He talked how he did horrible in school because his attention was out the window. They had him take some test, not sure if it was SAT or not. He aced it. The principle brought him and his parents in and accused them of cheating because no one every aced the test before. But he did.

[@oaklandtraphouse]

The east bay dragons are legendary, they had them in snowfall when they went up to oakland

[@chuydizzle8734]

The Oakland Chapter on Foothill isn’t just white members

[@real1muzik]

One of my best friend's stepdad was fresh out and was a HA member. I didn't know anything about politics, I was about 13/14yo at the time (early/mid-90's). He was super cool with me every time I stayed over or hung out. Super hospitable and just a nice dude. This was in Sacramento/ EG.

[@jwill6495]

East Bay Dragons!! RIP Uncle Green Eyes.

[@Rooster_707]

There’s a bunch of Mexicans in HA in the Bay Area.

[@robertcook6736]

He answered thwt perfectly

[@OwnerOfAestheticDietetics]

Shit I’m from Cleveland and two blocks away from the Hells Angels Headquarters is The Zulus Club who are an all black MC and they get along fine! They’re literally only 2 blocks apart from eachother

[@randywatson1296]

It’s like that up here in Cleveland Ohio.

[@LouisvilleKyrich]

Good interview vario👍

[@ChoneyPony]

My dad was Puerto Rican, in the 70's & 80's in Oakland he did business with the Oakland chapter of the Hells Angels. Dope, guns etc...my dad was a big time booster too, he sold them a lot of power tools etc since a lot of them were in construction at the time. When my dad got popped the Hells Angels put up his bail, it was $10K thats a lot of money at the time and he didnt screw them on it, he turned himself in and did the time. I remember spending a 4th of July at that club and watching them do fireworks when i was little.

[@Hurya8666]

Stop lying

[@dannylujan3619]

Bullshit storyline.... My Uncle is a former member and would never talk such crap..... When did Oakland chapter arrive in Australia ? Yankee living in Australia 🌏🦘

[@dannylujan3619]

You would know my cousin who was kidnapped by the Fed's... Before you say it's a lie ,look it up and I won't give any names.... Go find the information

[@ChoneyPony]

@@Hurya8666 never that, lie for what?

[@Hurya8666]

@@ChoneyPony cap wetback

[@grampageorge3407]

Great explanation about the color line,I never knew.

[@brooklynred6762]

brotherhood is brotherhood no matter the color but there’s a small amount who don’t believe that

[@2Tall03XX]

Facts. Some of the guys who showed me the way into the biker community were white guys, former and current Outlaws at that. And I myself am black.

[@six6thdisciple]

WELL SAID

[@MikeyBee-]

Facts

[@이이-n4z8y]

Excuse me, Europeans have colour, peach. But if you want to claim white isn't a colour then neither is black, they are shades.

[@tfitness4u]

Hell’s Angels members are not racist. My family has been very close to some Angels

[@alexander1902]

Some chapters were though and really only changed that after several Mexican clubs came around such as Bandidos, Vagos, and the Mongols.

[@SidewaysBurnouts]

thats a story the off brands have profited from. angels never denied based on race, the mongols stared off wearing bogus angels cuts and had them taken away from them. they also didnt become the mongols until a snitch from witness protection who told on the angels got them all jazzed up to fight his battles for him. vagos were an angels puppet club until around the year 2000. bandidos are bad dudes and i got no dirt to throw on them. @@alexander1902

[@tupac777]

Bullshit

[@JayS64]

4:37 ".. they kind of processed themselves out.." Yeah, I'm sure.

[@Cabrazzi]

This was one of your best interviews thus far. The more you remember to remove yourself from the interview, the more engaged, the interviewee will become example. Your uncle, being a member of the black unicorns was completely irrelevant detail when the question was really about his knowledge of any other black motorcycle clubs besides the black unicorns.

[@michaelford1056]

All black bike club around me in Delaware called the Thunder Guards

[@alvarado8557]

Shout out them East Bay Dragons. 🎱👌🏼💯

[@510baysharkantthizzle4]

They should do an interview with them that would be Dope asf

[@sean900fps]

simple rule " show respect get shown respect " dis-respect and it's your own fault .

[@ThatGuyEclipz330]

My city, Warren, Ohio, is the home of Brothers of the Hammer. One of America's first and oldest All Black MC's - they go back to the late 50's, 60's

[@TommyChong-t3k]

I talked to a Native American girl from California, who told me her uncle was a member of the hells angels. I am a hells angels supporter, thats how that topic came up

[@pharoah1200]

The Chosen Few is one of the oldest M.C. Clubs in the U.S. We attended a lot of their events and functions back in the 1960's. My mother was good friends with the wife of the president of the L.A. chapter of the Chosen Few.

[@ronpl8473]

Which one? The black, white, or mixed one?

[@mackattack8627]

Yes The Chosen Few Mother Chapter Was On 108Th & Broadway A All Black Chapter That They Lost Building & Everything Nevertheless When They Came Together The Neighborhood Was Full Of White Rider's Paying Respect To The Mother Chapter I Went To The Chosen Few A Thousand Times To Party Grew Up At The Boxing Gym Across The Street With My Father Who Was A Trainer & Manager To Prize Fighters Much Love Respect To Peewee & Clean And 108Th Chosen Few Team✌️

[@pharoah1200]

@@mackattack8627 The 108th Street location came along later. The original L.A. Chapter was at Manchester & San Pedro. Spent many of days over there in the 1960's.

[@Byronwi]

ive seen them in milwaukee

[@rolexrockstar5078]

The father Lionel

[@EYEH8MOSTOFYOU]

The chosen few MC have been around for a while,they was in Michigan in the 70s and here he is talking about em still being around today

[@jenniferanne4143]

The chosen few in Detroit is a different club than the Los Angeles based club, same name , both black, but not affiliated.

[@lukebryant5017]

South Park hit the nail on the head

[@barakmoss1691]

There is a Hell’s Angels chapter right in the middle of the hood on 22nd in Tampa, Fl.

[@stantondavid4435]

How could he forget the all black Wheels of Soul who have been around since 1967 out of Philly… Their patch even looks similar to hells angles

[@DaveyG68]

Wheels Of Soul are not all black.

[@i_love_tacos7887]

Because that's philly he's from California you're not gonna know about something on the other side of the country especially back in his days

[@herbertjones9329]

Wos is not all black

[@slightlyworking4]

I wonder how racism even started. Its a shame it exist in the first place. There are so many intelligent minds of all walks of life.

[@neonvandal8770]

Vlad should talk to legendary bike builder Sugarbear if you want to really know about black biker culture, such an interesting guy - Especially about who really built the iconic choppers from the movie "Easy Rider". A real eye opener.

[@michaelsherwood499]

Support 81 nothing like old school gangsters 💯

[@NorCalTC]

“The black unicorns” 😂 might as well be the “hells fairy’s, or the pink kitty cats” 😂

[@dres6686]

Did you know them?

[@samdarmondy2767]

Great interviewer

[@rbcdobe]

Dude a real one fa shoutin out the East Bay Dragons

[@dragonslayer3017]

That was beautifully explained 👍🏽

[@WickedHebrew]

What about the Wheels of Soul!!??🤦🏿‍♂️

[@BasementVinyL85]

The Hells Angels were heavy in Bridgeport Ct back in the day I heard.

[@echad6259]

The questions some people ask...

[@forthesnowflakes7691]

East Bay Dragons been around a long time. A golden era Oakland rap group by the name of The Delinquents always have them in videos.

[@tmc2710]

I've always wondered what the division was.. this answered everything

[@edwintroy6957]

Great interviewr ....hes got it now soory t criticize before but u got it brother good interview

[@jhezy2000]

I've never experienced prejudice in the MC 🌎

[@clarencejones8180]

Black people not being able to join Hells Angels is prejudice by definition.

[@jhezy2000]

@@clarencejones8180 and not having comprehension skills is a waste of a comment. I can tell you're a fake intellectual, it was black hells angels and still is, the man just said that and also you're not in this 🌎 because you wouldn't have made a comment solely based on feelings and no facts

[@salvatorerusso6727]

I have seen HA guys in San Francisco who were Samoan and Filipino

[@Clipps-gp4os]

Crazy how an African American was a shot caller for hells angels. Lived on my street (3houses down)in San Diego. South East sandiego. In the 80s. Absolutely insane living in black/Mexican hood to see the hells angels coming down our street on the normal.

[@e.l.9589]

Quit pandering.

[@tygur23]

Cap

[@pateheckerwood]

Straight lies....

[@audubonave7904]

We don't believe you....

[@maktiki]

It were the MAYANS MC lol@@pateheckerwood

[@mauriceallen5573]

The United States is the most seperated country in the world... It's a sad situation tbh...

[@sam4soph1]

You should've asked him about his relationship with Von Dutch.

[@AnybodyCngtItK]

Hells Angels in NZ and Australia half of them are Polynesian

[@joshualewis1154]

The only black full patch Hells member is Greg Wooley from the Montreal Quebec Chapter. He's was their explosives expert.

[@b.benjamineriksson6030]

There's black members in Europe. Not many but they exist.

[@jmackdap207]

There are many black outlaw biker clubs. Eastbay Dragons, Chosen Few, Soul Brothers, SinCity Disciples, Outcast MC just to name a few. These are big clubs with multiple chapters in multiple states.

[@johnisouth6636]

A person of color wouldn't want to be with the angels. Trust me. They wouldn't be able to handle it.

[@babyboy562]

Relax keyboard warrior lol

[@DeathShamen2182]

I ran into a chosen few member in vegas once. Respect theyre a great club. Id talk to them too if possible. Keep the mc stuff coming.

[@rpm2085]

Used to deliver the ADP payroll to the Hells Angels Club on East 3rd st. In Manhatran. They were always Cool. Always a dufferent guy everytime i went there.

[@SidewaysBurnouts]

the way it was explained to me, is they have a long standing treaty with the east bay dragons going back to 50s where dragons dont take whites and angels dont take from their recruiting pool. nothing racist about it, maybe antiquated but keep in mind the dragons are bad dudes and sonny didnt speak at their founders funeral as some kind of oppressor or racist, they were genuine friends. there is also the fact the angels in socal invited the chosen few to become red and white before they were such a huge club, and if you go to an angels party you will see both black clubs hanging out in the club house and no static.

[@tracphonevirtualmagazine]

You can't say it isn't racist if race is specifically what separates membership.

[@bend4236]

​@tracphonevirtualmagazine do you believe all black groups are racist?

[@RosvStudios]

@@tracphonevirtualmagazine how is that racist? When will people like you understand that racism means that someone hates certain group of people purely because of their skin color. If someone doesn't want to date outside of their race, does it mean they're racist? Of course not. Racism = hate, simple as that.

[@SidewaysBurnouts]

@@tracphonevirtualmagazine if the east bay dragons asked them to agree to mutually agreed rules, sounds like they are being diplomatic. Besides it is the offical stance of the Angels that no Black hang around has tried to gain membership, you cant rattle their drum if no one is willing to try to get in. The mongols tried to start a rumor they got turned away for race, turn out it was based on their rep as tattle tales.

[@tracphonevirtualmagazine]

@@SidewaysBurnouts so you're agreeing with what I'm saying. I've read the East Bay Dragons book myself. And I'll say agian, if race is what separates you from being able to join a group or go into a career field then how does that not equal racism? Not even in a negative way just in general.

[@tweeze2700]

They fuck with the East bay dragons in Oakland black club

[@TheTraveler33]

VERY well said. In the MC community as well as everyday life, have a VERY large quantity of paranoia, but do it with common sense and facts. NOT emotions. Those are the guys that seem to still be alive to tell the old stories. Just sayin! Lol.

[@1tuffzx10]

OUTCAST OUTCAST OUTCAST, 38 -40 chapters mainly based in the southeast.

[@richbumdrop2881]

I'm from Johnson projects,I do remember that club on 111th and Lenox,man those were treacherous streets back then, Africans changed that area big time,put up many shops on 116, remember African Muslims moving on 110st,late 70s,they started the gentrification

[@metalfacevillian5909]

That's BS. It's alot of K2 heads in that area & lots other drug activity.

[@richbumdrop2881]

@metalfacevillian5909 much better now,it was nothing but abandoned buildings, heroin central,a real hellhole,Africans bought commerce and religion, clean it up to a degree,Crack came ,went back down,I lived 25 years in johnson, which is pretty bad now,actually black Muslims, under Elijah predated african immigration, putting up various stores.

[@SteppeWisdom]

@@metalfacevillian5909you want it to be bad but it’s way better than in the 80s and 90s

[@missmorena1049]

People have a right to stay to themselves! People getting tired already

[@jrsantoyo9028]

My uncle Al was in the hells angels San Jose chapter …. He passed away years ago from cancer.

[@jaye5926]

if they were black gangs & exhibited this type of behavior : the government would deem them illegal & shut the gangs down...KEY WORDS : EXHIBITED THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR MEANING THE ACTIONS THAT THEY DO CONSISTENTLY

[@scottharm3932]

You mean like they've shut down the bloods and crips? 🤣

[@Larhless]

@@scottharm3932like the bloods or crips have a big bold symbol stating they’re blood or crip. Imbecile

[@jaye5926]

@@scottharm3932 yep...they constantly extort them, kill them, & lock them up...they dont even sneeze @ these white biker gangs 🙄

[@prolly2stoned420]

The black unicorns? What?🤣🤣

[@ThomaspridgenTV]

Shout out to the Eastbay Dragons

[@labib3x]

❤ great interview