George Galloway on why he voted Tory and for Nigel Farage, being anti-'woke', and Batley and Spen

Former Labour MP George Galloway is one of Britain's most controversial individuals, and is standing in Batley & Spen with the slogan 'STARMER OUT'. We talk about his pitch for the seat, including Palestine - but why he's focusing his fire on the opposition, rather than the Tory government which presided over 150,000 deaths; why he campaigned alongside Nigel Farage after denouncing him; why he campaigned for Brexit after declaring that he'd campaign for Remain like "anyone with any brain cells will be doing"; why he voted Tory after declaring he'd rather remove his eyeballs; and much else.
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[@lartydanceoff369]

Not sure you can be a Labour apologist (rather tgan a socialist) and be anti-Starmer simultaneously at this point. Time to get off the fence.

[@peterheke]

@@kevinb6831 More like a socialised patronage actually. The clue's in the URL.

[@nedludd3641]

Big up Owen Jones for having a political opponent on his show. I don't like Jones' political views much but I like it that he's at least man enough to stand up and defend want he preaches.

[@peterheke]

@@kevinb6831 He's a paid journalist mate, and he offers his videos for free. It's more like a tip jar than a begging bowl.

[@peterheke]

@@kevinb6831 He writes for several publications as a journalist, no matter what schoolyard names you want to call him. If you can't make a more adult critique of the man, go and copy-paste the one I made 5 minutes ago elsewhere in the comments. I'll let you pass it off as your own.

[@alanfontaine586]

I'm Black & what George said about (new) labour using race as a weapon is 100% correct

[@emmanuelrobert208]

Interested to know how?

[@poshvibes4021]

Me too, and I very much agree too

[@emmanuelrobert208]

@@poshvibes4021 ok, now you can answer me. How?

[@anglodoomer5995]

Yes!

[@poshvibes4021]

@@emmanuelrobert208 no problem. Antisemitism. Where are all the reports of it now? Are we saying JC encapsulated the essence of antisemitism in the party and with his departure it has all disappeared?

[@vivalapalestine7235]

George has been on the forefront of Palestinian activism when there were only 20 of us at the rallies , he deserved more respect than this .

[@mojo2679]

Tht's why Owen hates him. He's only just discovered the Paestinian plight whereas GG has been on it for decades

[@howtown1]

‘When the facts change, so do my opinions. I don’t know about yours’. Brilliant, clearly OJ isn’t capable of that 😂

[@foryourlugsonly]

He can't even begin to understand what it means mate. It literally went over his head.

[@paulies5407]

That's what happens with the ideologically possessed. Owen's just an empty vessel that someone has poured theirs into.

[@cuchulainx3125]

He probably did understand it given it’s been in frequently use since that Blairite JM Keynes said it first 80 years ago

[@foryourlugsonly]

@Bob Dredd he isn't naive. He's a partisan grifter.

[@igotvaccinated2816]

😂😂😂

[@tonyy452]

Labour needs to offer something different from the tories. Like him or loathe him, Galloway and others could make labour reconsider their current disastrous direction.

[@revol148]

@Tony Y what has Galloway to offer exactly although that his USP of being a so-called political maverick?

[@adetolaayodele7790]

You are very right!!!

[@Hoopla10]

So let's just think about this. Galloway, opportunistic politician with roots somewhere else in the country, with an obvious agenda beyond the area, will split the vote and drop another conservative into a seat. Which will mean Labour will blame Galloway (a man who voted Tory and got into bed with Farage). OR we have an actual Labour MP who's from the area, wants to take that areas issues serious because that's her community. And you think people should vote for Galloway? We really are mugs aren't we.

[@fellowcitizen]

Labour is simply not Labour. They are a front for Likud.

[@wbafc1231]

@@Hoopla10 Whats the use of another MP in a Starmer lead Blairite Party? I suppose they could vote for more privatisation of the NHS or more war crimes.

[@grayzytube]

Remember Owen - when the facts you originally used to base your position on change, re-examine your position. Don't be so absolutist.

[@catinthehat906]

Owen described BLM as 'a franchise'- well given the sudden & serious wealth of some of its leaders, he may well be right.

[@4imagesmore]

@grayztube That's irony, right?

[@HarryFlowerrs]

Yes,when it’s clear it betters One’s position,it’s best to be adequate for the occasion hence vote Tory! 🤡

[@clappedoutmotor]

@@catinthehat906 Which BLM leader has got rich? I haven't heard of this.

[@frazerduncan356]

@@clappedoutmotor look it up. Very widely publicised. Odd for Jones attempt to wriggle out of that one, it's not him that has been caught at the very head of the movement scamming members so why would he defend the elites within in that movement? I thought he was for the little man, obviously not.

[@AlMamun-qh9lr]

Hate him or love him, this Galloway man is really articulate.

[@HarryFlowerrs]

Really. If he was that articulate he wouldn’t have contradicted himself untold amount of times,he’s a Clown 🤡

[@kinky_Z]

How can you hate someone who just tells the truth?

[@kinky_Z]

@@HarryFlowerrs I've been listening to George for 20 years now and I've NEVER heard him contradict himself! Um... can you provide an instance?

[@anglodoomer5995]

He speaks the truth!

[@milocunningham9473]

@@jamesmartin2581 someone always mentions hitler eventually ffs

[@tezzathetattedtoad1089]

With respect you weren't on your A-game here, Owen. It appeared as if you weren't wanting to listen to Galloway as much as you wanted to signal your disdain for him standing in Batley in the first place

[@harrietwhyatt6750]

Yes his body language was that of a toddler about to kick off. He is only comfortable in an echo chamber

[@tezzathetattedtoad1089]

@@harrietwhyatt6750 Nah, Owen has had difficult conversations before. He just seemed focused on something else rather than really talking to Galloway. Owen can be a really effective journalist, whatever side you lean on.

[@danieljudegennis]

“As the facts change so does my opinion”. Fair comment.

[@danieljudegennis]

I like change but while I don’t have a religious view on politics, the Tories haven’t brought any change that has been beneficial to me personally. Labour has again not learned the lessons of the past. So I am with George on this.

[@the_furthest_reaches]

@@hmsealey3243 I’ve come to believe that humility is the primary virtue. My goodness could we use some in the US.

[@LuisCarruthers]

This is the precise issue that made me give up saying I was left-wing. Now I just say I'm a nothing.

[@fuckamericanidiot]

@@LuisCarruthers You're a Luis Carruthers :)

[@SGoater10]

An adult trying to explain things to a child who keeps throwing his toys out of the pram

[@nigelxavier883]

That's a bit harsh, but GG probably won't get Starmer to resign and he will continue to stand in by elections and he would still be great as an MP. It's better if he organises his party to stand in council elections next year.

[@nigelxavier883]

@@user-ke6hv5mc7x Yes and he contested the election result, but it's a waste of time. He said he'll stop standing again. He actually thinks he was ahead in the count till some allegedly open black bin bags were brought in and added to the rest of the votes. He did very well, won 8200,22% of the vote, but he should move on.

[@davidsheach8016]

So funny.

[@SuckMyCurry]

It's quite funny, at times Owen seems very confused by the fact Galloway doesn't vote for the same major parties: Labour, Democrat, in each election lol. Why are some people so dogmatic.

[@yooochoob]

Why do you care what OJ thinks?

[@SuckMyCurry]

@@yooochoob Because I think he's a smart man who interviews people across the political spectrum.

[@kinky_Z]

Never vote party! Vote for the person...

[@SuckMyCurry]

@@kinky_Z Agreed! It's hard to though, even for people engaged in politics it requires extra effort to vote in that way.

[@MrKbonez]

@@SuckMyCurry He certainly interviews a variety of people. I would dispute your first assertion, however.

[@noproducers]

Owen Jones eaten alive. Out classed out gunned, Jones comes across as a child...

[@prangbro]

Galloway is an utter scoundrel, but he oozes charisma and never looks flustered...

[@wayofthewonderer]

@@prangbro an utter scoundrel yes! I'm sure he would take that as a compliment!

[@MrKbonez]

Jones always looks and acts like a child.

[@nbp1309]

This is just 20 minutes of Owen contorting himself

[@Busterpoo1964]

his continuous face contortions are just annoying.

[@MrKbonez]

Hyperactive ketamine head.

[@ineedscissors6176]

@@Busterpoo1964nailed it

[@MrPloby]

Owen really struggles when he gets out-argued by someone of Galloway’s class. Similar when he was torn apart by Andrew Neil. His talent is some way short of his ego.

[@harisadu8998]

Because Owen insists on pigeon-holing you into ideas. You support x therefore you must support x. You are talking about x therefore, you must also feel x. You saw it throughout this video.

[@MrPloby]

@@harisadu8998 Yes, I would even go so far as to say that he personifies the fundamental issue Labour has in having lost touch with its traditional base. Galloway illustrates that clearly and Jones knew it and tried to change the topic of conversation.

[@greetingsbox4229]

@@MrPloby Spot on. Owen just doesn't understand even if he did he is not humble enough to look at himself.

[@colmd7680]

@@harisadu8998 didn't George by saying the the impression people have of BLM is of a Marxist organisation do the same thing? In the absence of complex and detailed analysis we reduce everything down to labels. I follow US politics and it's awash with that. Cable media there both left and right is a toxic wasteland of drive by labels and little to no nuance. It's the byproduct of both social media and the need to categorise everyone though you could argue that it existed long before that

[@djdoolittle1315]

@@colmd7680 best comment

[@jamesgoodwin8506]

George Galloway has never shared my politics but you can’t help but respect the man. He runs rings around Jones in this interview just as he did at the senate hearing. The man had a clear understanding of the working class that Jones and the current Labour Party are a million miles away from these days

[@1welshdevil]

Totally agree and echo the sentiment, I'd class myself as a working man, low income etc, do I feel labour is the party for me? I have zero connection with it these days, that went with Corbyn, and feels yet further away under Starmer.

[@RicochetAQW]

@@1welshdevil Why do you think labour doesn't represent the working class as much anymore? Also, do you think any party does?

[@1welshdevil]

@@RicochetAQW a refusal to oppose the government, they have been like an obedient dog for years. I feel labour have been more caught up with identity politics than actual policies, I rate my own labour MP very highly, and will always vote for her, but Labour as a Party, I'm not sure what they stand for anymore. Party for the working man... I'm not actually sure any more, I find it incredibly sad, first time ever I've felt politically homeless. Maybe if the lib Dems got their act together they could make inroads, who knows.

[@Henrik578]

How refreshing. 2 people who don’t agree with each other on absolutely everything sitting down and having a reasoned debate without any hysterics

[@StratsRUs]

Or it means that it benefits both to feed off the same carcass.

[@originalflimflam]

@@StratsRUs what's the carcass..?

[@petermanuel5043]

I would've loved to see these guys have a casual much longer chat like this with more nuance, much more time and a tripod. It seemed a little rushed and the unsteady cam gave me Blair Witch flashbacks.

[@hardpass7204]

@@petermanuel5043 worth noting Galloway is busy fighting a by election in which he'll finish in the top 3. I doubt OJ would've given him an interview, let alone a longer one in normal circumstances

[@islandsedition]

That is a pretty low bar to overcome.

[@saffydaffy]

Keir Starmer is a block of wood 😅 never a truer description George.

[@djdoolittle1315]

We need to be real and he needs to go. Asap

[@HarryFlowerrs]

Can’t stand Starmer but Galloway is a lump of foul deformity!

[@TheSfbMet]

"Keir Starmer and the Terrible Failures of the Labour Leadership etc" sounds like a very niche Harry Potter spinoff

[@ganrimmonim]

🤣

[@aliwright1016]

☺️💫

[@chriscartwright6292]

‘Harry Potter- and the unvarnished block of wood’

[@michaelmcleod8598]

But Corbyn lost 60 seats at the last election. He is the failure - his terrorist sympathiser, anti semitic followers have ruined the party.

[@JGalt-em4xu]

22:28 >Galloway: Nuclear war is worse than ignorant tweets >Jones: We'll see Lol

[@brianfairclough4109]

Galloway handing those warmongering US Senators their balls on a silver platter was one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen. I disagree with him on many things, but the man is a legend.

[@josephasghar]

I’ve watched it many a time. It should be prescribed viewing.

[@the_furthest_reaches]

His demolition of Hitchens too, don’t forget!

[@keeganh8874]

"How dare you try to reform our party into being something not dogshit that people actually want, you should spend all your time foaming at the mouth attacking conservatives for anything irrespective of how incompetent our own leadership is."

[@thebadtemperedbrit]

Owen "most of the public suppprt taking the knee!" I doubt that in the extreme.

[@End-Result]

They do. Does that make you uncomfortable? It should.

[@Motownisyourtown]

Public opinion is high for it.

[@MrGenedancingmachine]

@@End-Result no they don’t, and your guardian or stitched up ukgov poll isn’t going to change that fact

[@1welshdevil]

I have such a confused opinion on Galloway, but he is speaking a lot of truth here, he seems way more in touch with what's actually happening than many. We're all done with this useless Tory government, but who on Earth could take over?

[@celestesmith6060]

A lot of independents who can hold the balance of power.

[@davidsheach8016]

George Galloway.

[@shivankmenon4722]

Now, he has to eat his hat.

[@zo1dberg]

Why would you want Owen to eat somebody else's hat?

[@showboy4431]

Very disappointing that Jones just smirks at most of Galloway's answers and doesn't listen to him, while Galloway was clearly trying to have a calm and thoughtful adult discussion (a very pleasant surprise given what he's usually like!)

[@quentinnewark2745]

@@davis7099 last four elections

[@kinky_Z]

I've been listening to Galloway for 10 years now and I've never heard him be anything other than calm, thoughtful, compelling and factual. So I'm not sure why you're "surprised." Maybe I'm missing something...?

[@adriftinaboat3452]

@@kinky_Z You’re not. Having to been a member of the Labour Party for 40 years…after the disgraceful way Corbyn was treated-I ripped up my Membership card.

[@kayzar293]

I thought this was a fruitful discussion. I'm not sure why some people on here are painting it as something different

[@michaelbliss3337]

Indeed it demonstrated Owen's inability to have a polite discussion or even understand one. Maybe it's a generational /Ritalin thing.

[@dickslaughter2]

Wtf has Palestine got to do with batley and spen?

[@matthewstone1362]

NHS dying. Unions on their death bed. Wages tanking. Income gap expanding. Workers rights on their last legs. The corridors of power are closed to compassion and decency. Yet the intellectual lefts main issue are race, gender and identity politics. Is this contrived or are they just completely out of touch with the working class?

[@johnmunro4952]

The media's portrayal of the left is that it's all about identity politics. Unfortunately many on the left gleefully play up to portrayal anyway. Too many only interested in grinding their own axe.

[@matthewstone1362]

@@johnmunro4952 But it seems systemic. There are zero new working class MPs that I know of. All seem to come straight from the financial sector or University. The intellectual/academic class have been given the reigns of left power and seem to have lost direction. Leaving the working class without a voice.

[@matthewstone1362]

@Chris Cross well done. You answered 2 of my points. One of which by stating Farm hand pay has increased. The other by blaming the privatisation of the NHS on foreigners. Piss poor response.

[@matthewstone1362]

Who do you think makes the rules? Immigrants or those who allow immigrants in?

[@matthewstone1362]

@dnpe86 that was the old argument. Privates more efficient. Proved to be nonsense.

[@claireowens2884]

Owen is revealing here his utter inability to hold a mature, engaged, discussion on real politics. No wonder so many people don't like the Left he represents.

[@kevinbarry1724]

Yes I agree.

[@djdoolittle1315]

Shut up you bore. Owen is a lovely lad

[@anglodoomer5995]

@@djdoolittle1315 lol

[@anglodoomer5995]

Totally

[@brandonandtom941]

@@djdoolittle1315 for the rich not working class

[@Lessons4Life]

18:50 Galloway has him on the ropes

[@brettmeikle]

Aye, but he was still fuckin wrang!

[@Lessons4Life]

@@brettmeikle naw he wasnae

[@MacDazzle]

I used to like Owen Jones.. I now realise people like him are why Labour can’t get elected…..

[@rivak98]

yep, they delight in calling everyone fascists when the truth is that they are the fascists. there just liberal fascists

[@_Wakaz_]

Exactly. Galloway truly represents the working class, he's not a middle-class Oxford college grad, instead he's seen it all and tried to fight for it all, for the liberation of the many, not the few.

[@_Wakaz_]

@@rivak98 This! Thank you so much, I'm glad someone finally said it.

[@danleonard9004]

I notice how Owen struggles to keep eye contact with him when he doesn't like George's opinion.

[@cumbrianmackem9296]

It’s a classic tell isn’t it.

[@jessicaherring1507]

He’s intimidated by him

[@fidomusic]

I wish Galloway well if his intervention helps to end the disaster Starmer. George is also 100% right about Palestine. Respect to Owen for interviewing him.

[@stephenobrien5909]

Owen gets owned any time he "interviews" someone with half a brain., one of the reasons he ducks Douglas Murray This wasn't an interview more like a lecture to a petulant child, which Jones is.

[@lozzybozzy234]

@@stephenobrien5909 I think you'll find that Douglas Murray is the one who only speaks to those he agrees with.

[@desmonddoyle4470]

Yea,Corbyn should have brought him back to deal with the anti semiteism lies and slurs.See his interview on Sky News(Lies),when he wiped the floor with the interviewer.

[@markporciani8871]

He's using Palestine for his own ego in this election!

[@markporciani8871]

@@stephenobrien5909 who the f Douglas Murray. So well known most of us know nothing about him!

[@kinky_Z]

I voted for Jill Stein in 2012 and 2016. No way will I vote for the lesser of two evils which always results in EVIL! George is absolutely right!

[@anglodoomer5995]

Yes!

[@megagunner12345]

Well done! You wasted your vote!

[@aertuy123]

Voting is about the reduction of harm, it is a utilitarian activity! In most US general elections you have 2 choices. You voted 3rd party, meaning you helped who ever won you district win. You might live in Massachusetts where you helped the Dems win, but you might live in Michigan where you helped the Republicans win. The essence of voting is picking "the lesser of evils", in the US unfortunately you have two choices, but even in countries where you have 4 parties you will picking the lesser of evils. In short, Thank you for helping whoever won your State win!

[@anshumanjaiswal5787]

Did you voted howei in 2020 ? What are your plans for 2024 ?

[@derekyates4534]

Owen perfectly owned 👌

[@user-vh6ts9uf6c]

Owen is EXACTLY the reason Labour didn't win the election in 2019.

[@drSvensen]

@@user-vh6ts9uf6c I'm not even from the UK, but the first thing that pops into my head when I hear Labour party is that crazy girl who planned to work in the NHS as a doctor, but wished Boris "a horrible death".

[@182rObBiEmAn44]

Yeah! because Galloway won...oh wait!

[@mountaincraig9460]

Really interesting debate and insight into the nuances of Western politics.

[@williamwatters9928]

Hopefully as Owen Jones matures he will acquire the skills that will enable him to debate with another person.

[@TheSpoovy]

I wouldn't hold your breath. He's got worse as hes got older. He's now the left wing version of Katie Hopkins.

[@djdoolittle1315]

Save it Enoch

[@annefagit3305]

@@TheSpoovy How is that a bad thing? She's brilliant! ^o^

[@nealmctaggart7229]

Galloway does talk some sense here. If the wider left had supported the democratic Brexit outcome of the referendum Farage would have been crowded out politically, and the left supported. As it happened the Labour right led Remain movement dragged the Labour party into obscurity for years and enhanced Farages reputation as a result.

[@borderlands6606]

Labour entered a pact with its enemies to defy a democratic vote. It will do the same over proportional representation. The party has forgotten it was founded to provide the working class people of this country a vote, and has embraced causes that are marginal at best, and often in direct opposition to the interests of ordinary people. How is this so difficult to understand?

[@borderlands6606]

@dnpe86 The views of Tony Benn and other EU sceptics have been erased from Labour history. Brexit was year zero for the new left, they misjudged the public mood in favour of Twitter silos.

[@32446]

Which is why I won’t forgive Corbyn and those who abandoned this position.

[@nealmctaggart7229]

@@32446 to be fair Corbyn's personal policy was to stick with the democratic brexit result. Unfortunately he was crowded out by the soft left and Remain faction in Labour (mostly weaponising it to bring Corbyn's Labour down).

[@yington]

I was looking forward to this debate/conversation being released. How did you only manage 22 minutes for this? It’s worthy of 1 hour at least.

[@poshvibes4021]

Because it was too nuanced for Owen to handle.

[@jamesgoodwin8506]

Galloway was running rings around Jones in this interview , now wonder he cut it short . I’d like to see the rest of it

[@adulthumanfemale265]

Love George!! Owen is at his immature "discourse" again where he thinks he can get a "gotcha moment" from a man of far more intellect than he could ever hope for. George held firm, kept calm and preached common sense. Owens misanthropy is as palpable as ever. His distain and dismissive "whatever" when George suggested that the so-called left hated the working class is one example of that...

[@RustyCohle]

Owen is an archetypal 'morally superior', pseudo intellectual beta-male type, full of his own inadequacies and neuroses.

[@clinker123]

Give the poor cameraman a tripod.

[@leestanley5837]

It is really poor camera work….

[@andygardner5810]

Sold it for lager.

[@pancrack]

And choose a location with better sound - no traffic !

[@Strin287]

@@leestanley5837 Agreed. Could have got a passing school kid to do a better job with their phone.

[@anglodoomer5995]

The guardian can’t afford it

[@rubberplant6375]

Well said George

[@johnmcafee9663]

its fun watching owen be exposed to opinions that he doesnt agree with, hes a fidgeting authoritarian mess and i love it

[@joecritch]

When someone states they would ‘never vote’ this way or that, to my mind they expose themselves as more concerned with their own identity and belonging to something than what they think is right.

[@dannytoots6635]

To repeatedly vote conservative and be astounded, again and again, when they implement policies that don’t benefit the working and lower-middle classes only evinces stupidity/malleability. However, I will be voting Green at the upcoming election. Sick of voting based on practicality as opposed to ideals. On that front, I agree with you.

[@russia8899]

george galloway is such a smart politician ran rings around you there owen

[@yelnats85]

He's a rotten MP though

[@originalflimflam]

Why does he also not recognize that the right will call anyone to their left communists? It's internet polarisation echo chamber George, it's not a uniquely left issue.

[@ftumschk]

_"Why does he also not recognize that the right will call anyone to their left communists?"_ ...indeed, and they do it with far greater venom, as far as I can see.

[@KarakuraNinja]

Yup. This talk about authoritarian left is so one sided, so many tight wing hypocrisies

[@BaronVonGreenback1882]

I would think it's because he's not on the right, he cares about the left so that's why he was giving his constructive critique.

[@fellowcitizen]

There is no longer a Left and a Right, both tactics are there to advance the objectives of the evil elites. The Church camouflaged with virtue for over a thousand years, when in fact they were sadistic imperialists - just because someone claims to be feminist or pro-family doesn't mean it's so - even if they've convinced themselves. The major parties support the systemic mass murder of women and children, as well as mass surveillance without due process. Their claims are empty. Post-Corbyn is no more Left than Hitler, and the Tories are no more pro-family than Pol Pott.

[@mattreichel4458]

I'm much more of a Galloway lefty than a Jones lefty, despite being much closer in age to the latter.

[@jorgepeterbarton]

I am just...looking at two extremes of how not to be a lefty here

[@_Wakaz_]

Me too, I much prefer Galloway.

[@_Wakaz_]

@@jorgepeterbarton So you don't wanna be a lefty? George Galloway is a far better lefty than Jones ever will be. Wait, sorry, George Galloway is an actual representative of the Left, Owen Jones is pretty much a radlib lol.

[@32446]

Same. Owen and those like him hate the working class.

[@fuckamericanidiot]

@@jorgepeterbarton There's nothing extreme about George Galloway.

[@mooney11]

Interesting to watch Owen's mannerisms during this interview and his openly stated despise for Galloway (who came across well here), compared to Owen's chummy, matey, giddy interview with war criminal Alastair Campbell.

[@charlesreid1311]

"DESPISE FOR GALLOWAY "?should I pay attention to anyone who can't express him self in English

[@mooney11]

@@charlesreid1311 Not sure I’ve made a grammatical error there but happy to be shown to be wrong. But otherwise, you a) well understood what I’d written, b) surely aren’t saying you’d ignore anyone who’s first language isn’t English and c) I’ve no idea who you are or remotely care if you want to pay attention to what I’ve written/said. But thanks for such a valuable contribution…

[@zah936]

He is just another career leftist. Real activists laugh at him.

[@geofftayloruk]

@@zah936 They're all career politicians...

[@geeman.8081]

Quite a hypocritical stance Galloway has on LePen and the SNP.

[@elgee6202]

How?

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

The SNP are fascists. Their "hate" bill ends free speech as we know it.

[@geeman.8081]

@@cockoffgewgle4993 how so?

[@BOOOOOOOONE]

@@cockoffgewgle4993 Ahahahahahahahahaha

[@peterheke]

I love you mate, but please take on board Galloway's comments about a lack of nuance. Several times you weren't listening to what he was saying, and hearing only what you expected to hear. It doesn't help us.

[@peterheke]

@@jonface93 I didn't see it as an argument as much as a conversation. But like many people having heated convos, Owen has a habit of losing focus on what people are saying. Some mindfulness might help him chill, and produce more useful chats.

[@frankallen7779]

Agreed. To save Labour we need to listen to its critics

[@brianfairclough4109]

Owen, you came across as a bit petulant here. I generally enjoy your channel, but you let yourself down badly on this one.

[@georgeyb91]

Hilarious the number of people in this comment section trying to frame this as some sort of adversarial contest, whereby George has 'destroyed' Owen for some reason. All I saw was a very friendly, engaged debate between two people who agree on some things and disagree on others. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

[@thechunkster7905]

No one cares 👌👌

[@georgeyb91]

@@thechunkster7905 and yet you cared enough to comment lmao

[@thechunkster7905]

I merely pointed out that no one cares. As you see, the still don't 👌👌

[@clappedoutmotor]

@@thechunkster7905 I care

[@matsuda1994]

more hostile to George than he was to Peter Hitchens

[@coldblowcode]

Peter Hitchens was never running as an MP

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

Sums the left up lol

[@radicalprolapse9807]

@@cockoffgewgle4993 is George on the left?

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

@@radicalprolapse9807 Are Labour?

[@radicalprolapse9807]

@@cockoffgewgle4993 members are and some MPs... Galloway isn't

[@scottgaynor239]

George: ‘nuclear war is worse than mean tweets’ Owen: ‘erm like maybe it could be?’

[@janguvpes7518]

To be fair, the phrase he replied with was "well, we'll see" - a reference to the prediction that Galloway made re Biden's administration: that it would plunge the world into nuclear war. It's also worth remembering that this was a big fear regarding Trump too, both elections. It's why Noam Chomsky advocated a vote for Hilary Clinton and a vote for Joe Biden at both elections, in spite of their politics and their reprehensible foreign policy. I think it's pretty disingenuous of Galloway to ignore or downplay the way in which Trump's diplomacy and ability to maintain international relations was a car crash waiting to happen. Whatever else is true about the risks of Clinton or Biden.

[@kinky_Z]

@@janguvpes7518 No. Galloway didn't say Biden WOULD plunge the world into nuclear war. He said "HE MIGHT" and if you look at Biden's actions thus far on Jun 27th, it looks like we could be headed in that direction. He's bombing people in their own countries for private profit using taxpayer dollars. That's pretty damn scary to me!

[@heinrichvonwicker168]

@@janguvpes7518 Now look at the world, Biden and his bunch are pushing for war with Russia, China, and as I write this maybe even Mexico...

[@topskek9786]

​@janguvpes7518 how'd that theory work out for you lol

[@haz_mort9521]

This is traditional working class labour Vs woke labour

[@idiotickidful]

What a complicated man; if he was being 100% honest

[@benangel3268]

Labour doesn't want an independent Scotland because they will never win a seat in England ever again.

[@corpgov]

@@benangel3268 nor will the Toffs, sorry Tories

[@tomben6180]

@@corpgov England would become a one party state if it were by itself… and that one party is the Conservatives.

[@chriscox3109]

Galloway is awesome, we need him in the HoC to speak truth to power and hold the neoliberal elites to account

[@aidanjohnkelly]

Galloway's analysis of "taking the knee" is absolutely spot on. Owen suggests that people's motivation for booing must be racism, yet as Galloway rightly points out, there could be multiple reasons for booing (including opposition to the organisation, not the statement, Black Lives Matter, opposition to the politicisation of football, etc.). Racism is certainly a problem in British society and in soccer, but booing taking of the knee is not as simple to suggest it's only racists that boo. I personally would not boo, but I do not think we should assume that all those who boo are by default, racist. Owen also suggests that there is no "organisation" BLM, again this is simply not true. There is an organisation called and marketed as "Black Lives Matter", and they have managed, very successfully, to co-opt a larger discourse around racial equality. If there was no organisation, there would be nothing to donate to, its genius is in its branding - only but the most strident of racists would oppose the statement "black lives matter". I think George in this interview, very succinctly, has gotten to the heart of the problem with some sections the left (not Owen specifically) - how they sneer at and misrepresent the views of the working class, and as a result they've stopped voting for the Labour Party. Doubling down on this strategy will render the Labour Party obsolete by the next election, as a party Labour needs to listen to these communities, address issues that will make their lives better (I'd argue that "taking the knee", while an act that may make people feel they are tackling racial bigotry, may in reality not be doing much to do so) and come up with a coherent story which engages a majority of voters - it's not enough to win over a majority of 600,000 Labour Party members, we simply will never win power that way alone.

[@poshvibes4021]

This

[@chrisbfreelance]

He has no scope, everything is binary.

[@aidanjohnkelly]

@@chrisbfreelance I don’t think it’s possible to know how many people are booing as they are racist or booing because of other factors, it’s probably a mixture, but my suspicion is the people booing for race reasons are far smaller than Owen suggests.

[@poshvibes4021]

@@aidanjohnkelly agreed

[@aidanjohnkelly]

@Chris Cross the only remotely surprising thing is that people are surprised by this.

[@Da1Dez]

So... does he want salad or chips with his hat?

[@brandonandtom941]

No we listen to the issues at hand

[@Da1Dez]

@@brandonandtom941 Don't make promise you can't keep.

[@e1239]

Owen Jones completely baffled by sound argument...

[@rossmackenzie7158]

The more I listen to Galloway the more I agree with him

[@rocky5755]

Owen Jones is a poor interviewer far too full of himself. Doesn’t give his interviewee time to answer fully, and doesn’t listen to his answers. Galloway comes across as much more balanced and intelligent. Jones also seem to believe if you express a view then you can’t change your mind however pragmatic the reason.

[@slappyfun]

haha, yeah, it's hard to watch an interview when the interviewer keeps cutting their guest off. I'm glad to see young people with passion about this though, but in every issue Owen brought up, George has very salient points.

[@chriscartwright6292]

Yep! He only lets people talk when they’re saying what he wants to hear, as soon as he’s not getting it he changes the topic. He is a journalist though. He interviews people like he’s trying to gather quotes for his newspaper column, rather than facilitating a decent conversation. It’s quite frustrating to watch sometimes

[@socialistvision2579]

Galloway is a left winger with conservative values he even said this himself

[@borderlands6606]

The Labour vote has always been politically left and socially right. Rejection of this has lead to 1.6% support for the party.

[@quentinnewark2745]

Closer to the British people then, than Labour’s leadership.

[@kinky_Z]

He's economically a Socialist but is socially Conservative, just like the recent winner of the Peruvian election, Pedro Castillo. It's a very common position among Socialists.

[@TrequartistaFM]

Historically figures on the left have been very socially conservative. Castro hated the prostitution and gambling in Havana not just cause it was run by outside influences, but because he saw it inherently as a corrupting influence

[@quentinnewark2745]

@@TrequartistaFM lets not forget the hero of all students, no not Queen Elizabeth, the world's most popular woman, but Che: "Among the many obscurities surrounding the figure of Che is his aversion to homosexuals, whom the revolutionary believed to be "sexual perverts" and contrary to the ideals of the "new man," warned one of the artists.

[@jonathanwaldren2631]

Tactical voting is what could get labour back into power, some labour supporters might have to vote Liberal. If that's what it takes, I'm sure they'll hold their nose and vote. GG voted tactically in Scotland and he's a hypocrite! Wtf?

[@akib2542]

A proper interview. Challenging questions and genuinely listening to the answers.

[@Strawberry80x]

You need to let the interviewee speak.

[@Sollatimer-Ed.southeast-]

This hasn't aged well for George all predictions wrong.

[@scythermantis]

Well he is an MP now so it looks like he got the last laugh

[@raymondbonington9355]

Jones seemed a little scared .

[@lasttango7522]

Meow where is the cat? Remember the display. Ffs

[@simonrodgers2375]

It's like an uncle talking to his nephew

[@kinky_Z]

"Actually, the SNP was founded by fascists".... hahaha! You can't win a debate with George Galloway.

[@humdunkin328]

The snp was actually founded by robert cunningham graham, the first elected socialist mp in the UK and a founding member and first president of the labour party

[@frazerduncan356]

@@humdunkin328 if he's anything like the socialists of today, he'll certainly have some fascistic tendencies!

[@yerdasellsavon9232]

@@frazerduncan356 [citation needed]

[@frazerduncan356]

@@yerdasellsavon9232 refer to last 15 years.

[@numptybumpty7463]

And they still are if you can include their supporters racist rhetoric towards the English.

[@user-vh6ts9uf6c]

It's like watching a political giant slowly put his foot down on a snail. Top work George.

[@user-go4ih1xx3b]

Great Interview by Owen....I appreciate This..

[@billuk1413]

Silly boy is not listening to wise old George like a student leftist who never grew up.

[@kevinbarry1724]

George has and presents an understanding of the thinking of some sections of the working classes. A section of the left simply cannot or will not try to understand how many working class people feel about a range of issues. This interview is a classic example of this.

[@HarryFlowerrs]

Really?

[@AVhq11]

Can someone ask George how did he enjoyed eating that hat?

[@Beefybaby]

Great interview

[@DisobedientSpaceWhale]

Thought this was generally pretty civilised considering they hate each other.. also it sounds like someone with a bucket is banging away in the background 🗑

[@marfin4325]

I like this guy, I would vote Galloway if I was in the UK.

[@doogle212]

Does he want some ketchup for his hat?

[@onehundredpercentboyband]

I really enjoyed that! Great conversation,

[@johnroberts8137]

“When the facts change I change my mind” is a coverall for moving to manage his popularity.

[@MichaelPetek]

Keir Starmer isn't a block of wood. He's Max Headroom.

[@veggie42]

I call him Mr Brittas🤣

[@linz404]

I'm watching this in March 21st, 2022. The end when George says Biden 'may well lead us into Nuclear war'....

[@kammalik]

Great discussion, valid points by both!

[@debeeriz]

most clever thinking tories will vote labour, so labour keeps starmer as leader and then the tories will win the next election as well, if labour changes leader the tories might have a fight on their hands and 1 seat will make no difference to this government at the moment

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

This won't end Starmer. It's completely trivial in the grand scheme of things.

[@Strin287]

Labour won't oust Starmer. There is no one with any credibility to replace him, so they would just be lurching from one failure to the next.

[@potatomahonman5008]

The second half of this is kinda like a dad arguing with his teenage son

[@veggie42]

Steptoe and Son🤣

[@Treblig1969]

in current poling he holds the balance 47, 41, 6, He is literally handing the Tories a seat.

[@colephelps7816]

Starmer is doing that job himself

[@rachel.mcgowan]

I agree with Galloway on this, one more Tory MP is irrelevant in terms of national politics, and hastening Starmer's demise is worth the price.

[@dreamer2260]

Exactly. Also, considering it's Jo Cox's sister who's running, in her former seat, I think it's a bit disrespectful to use his run as a political stunt which will only have the effect of losing her the seat to the Tories.

[@goonerboz6023]

Starmer is the worst leader in my lifetime even worse than Kinnock so he needs to go

[@noneoftheabove5816]

starmer has lost 100's of council seats and 2 by elections without Galloway spoiling the vote

[@shanky1751]

I wish there was more time for this interview u could've talked in more detail I definitely think Owen and George are 2 sides of the left that need to come together and challenge their ideas

[@billhicks8]

If it weren't for the messy political reputation Galloway has, I'd say that he sounds almost like an electable left wing alternative for the country here, and I wouldn't put it past said country to put aside his sensationalism and vote for him on pure entertainment value alone in the future, potentially...

[@CharlotteAcc]

it's just sad that only one of those sides wants to destroy trans people

[@revol148]

@@billhicks8 "pure entertainment value" - politics is supposed to be serious matter not some sideshow to keep simple people amused !?

[@revol148]

@@CharlotteAcc who has ever said they want to "destroy" trans people?

[@billhicks8]

@@revol148 Yes but whether you like it or not, that's what it is at the moment. That is my point. It is personality, melodrama and caricature that gets people's attention. Sincerity is mocked and seriousness ignored.

[@mk14dr]

How would George like his hat preparing?

[@adamford7808]

Your victories are getting exponentially smaller 😂

[@matthewsmith8726]

@@adamford7808 Liking your own comment is incredibly sad

[@32446]

You do know why he wears this hat don’t you?

[@djdoolittle1315]

We need to get real we need to get rid of Starmer

[@keithcroissant5640]

Owen cannot interview. He’s terrible.

[@microaggressionsurvivor2937]

Owen closing himself off from George's questions.

[@tabishmirza3728]

More Galloway interviews please!! Im a big fan of you both!!

[@franklinnash]

Oh Owen, learn to listen just a little bit more and always remember that 'all' binary thinking leads to poor decision-making.

[@_Wakaz_]

Galloway truly represents the working class, he's not a middle-class Oxford college grad, instead he's seen it all and tried to fight for it all, for the liberation of the many, not the few.

[@RaskoOOO1]

Great interview👍

[@tcda9699]

Have to say George is spot on with everything he says. And well done to Owen for facilitating an open and fair discussion.

[@catrionaskivingtonskivingt4819]

George is full of it.His description of Scotland & how we vote is hilarious.He came here telling everyone to vote for him to save the union & failed miserably.He said brexit would be the stupidest most economically stupid thing Britain could do till he seen how people in England were in support then jumped ship.He marched with NS for home rule in Scotland in the early 80s then jumped ship again.Its always hilarious to Scots when people take George seriously we know him up here that's why he tanked.

[@AVhq11]

So how spot on was he about that by-election?

[@ade1963]

Owen - you'll have to get up much earlier if you want to out-manoeuvre George

[@carolynwestlake7670]

He’s not trying to out manoeuvre him though, they’re having a reasoned discussion.

[@aaronwillis6035]

It's not 150,000 deaths. It's not even 128,000, as many as not the actual cause of death. Thought I'd correct Jones's bio of the video!

[@sosalpha]

What happened to the rest of the interview?

[@CharlotteAcc]

coming from someone who DID vote Macron to oust Marine le Pen, it's refreshing to hear you show the take, thanks fam

[@jamesalger9561]

Schooled with every response, amazing difference in intellect.

[@paigewatsonx1512]

When i hear the word Wayyysist i see Owen Jones face 😂