George Tsakraklides: Post-doom with Michael Dowd

[@georgetsakraklides5829]

It’s been such a dense, electrifying and truth-confirming experience to engage with you Michael during this interview. One hour felt like 10 minutes! Thanks again for the invitation. All the best, George

[@thegreatstory]

Thanks, George...it was a real treat for me, too!

[@KaizenTrainingLtd]

Thanks so much for this conversation Michael and George (new to me and so glad to hear your voice). I'm thoroughly riveted by your novel at the moment xx

[@georgetsakraklides5829]

@@KaizenTrainingLtd thank you Kimberley for being in our company all the best!

[@Deebz270]

Hi George! That was a really humble and honest assessment my friend. Yes, indeed the numbers of those who are finally opening their eyes is growning, unfortunately not the right ones, not the ones with any real power. I'd personally prefer (in the short-term... There is no 'long-term'...) organised social revolution to post-apocalyptic [Mad Max] anarchy... But then I might be rejoining the elements of the universe soon anyway.

[@pigstonwidget]

I loved this conversation. |t's SO refreshing to hear people talk openly, honestly and intelligently.

[@thegreatstory]

Thanks!

[@oliviachipperfield6029]

Amazing!!! I am so, so very glad that you had on George as a guest. I can't believe that I have never come across this brilliant guy! When I whole-heartedly agree with someone who I am watching on the internet, I will almost aggressively point at the screen "yes!" And "absof***inglutely!". Well, I was doing that constantly during this brilliant conversation. Thank you so much for this fantastic channel ❤❤❤

[@thegreatstory]

You're most welcome, Olivia!

[@J.M.-nb4gw]

George is an excellent scientist, writer, philosopher, etc. I have been FB friends with George for several years, look him up and send a friend request 🙏😊

[@treefrog3349]

I have a vey difficult time dealing with your concept of "gratitude". Thankful to whom? And for what? I recognize the Earth for the absolute miracle that it really is. Amidst that visceral realization I cannot get beyond the horrific stupidity that lies behind our willful destruction of it. I am not "grateful" for my awareness. It only makes the horror and stupidity of our actions all that more horrific. Do you imagine that a suddenly blinded person would be more "grateful" for having once seen, than absolutely devastated about seeing no more? It is ludicrous to believe that. From my perspective it is just a new form of delusional magical thinking. Something to make us feel better about ourselves amidst the impending horrors we have created.

[@thegreatstory]

Call me: 425-760-9941. Leave a message and I'll return your call within 12 hours. I despise text-only based communication for meaningful dialog.

[@georgetsakraklides5829]

Thanks for your question. For me, gratitude and blindness are two sides of the same coin. If you are grateful, it means that you are not blind to the miracles that abound in the creation. It doesn't matter if you lose it all, if the world collapses. You can STILL be grateful for what YOU HAD, because you recognise the significance and the value of all Earth's beings. What is most sad is not the loss itself. It is the lack of awareness and gratitude, it is having lost something without ever having acknowledged its value. I will still be grateful even if all that is left is one species of bacterium on this planet. Because its value is immense.

[@LivingintheTimeofDying]

He’s a gem. Really enjoyed the conversation. Thank you as always for your work Michael

[@thegreatstory]

My pleasure!

[@J.M.-nb4gw]

Excellent conversation with George, I've been fortunate to be FB friends with him for a couple of years. He's a very intelligent man and also an excellent writer with insight and wisdom! 🙏

[@treefrog3349]

"Human Exceptionalism" is the insane, unrecognized "achilles heel" of the entire human species. As technologically brilliant as we have proven ourselves to be, we are unable to acknowledge that we are just one element in a fantastically variegated whole. The Earth is NOT just about US!

[@treefrog3349]

The undeniable -undeniable! - reality is that if humans had NEVER existed (all other factors remaining exactly the same) the Earth today would be a a living, breathing paradise with an effulgence of LIFE. The decimation we are witnessing on an almost daily basis is the direct result of HUMANS. It is heartbreaking and shocking to admit, but it is the truth.

[@magnushomestead3824]

Thanks for this conversation Michael and George!! It's so good to have this"channel" connecting humans that are already and/or becoming aware of the reality of our situation and awakening to Gaia/God/Great Spirit or whatever one calls the Life Intelligence that is the underlying reality and foundation of our Being!!! We are each of us indigenous to this Eairth! Love to all Life . . .

[@thegreatstory]

Indeed...thanks for your comment!

[@beausie-woesieherewegoesie2548]

Hebrews 9:27 “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”

[@KellyMonk156]

I really appreciate these interviews Michael, many thanks

[@Deebz270]

Excellent. I've had a few chats with George. He's definitely 'Good Peoples' ;-)

[@floriandiazpesantes573]

Thank you both, George and Michael.

[@thegreatstory]

You're most welcome.

[@chubbyrain3]

Fantastic conversation. Thank you to both George and you Michael for bringing this to the world.

[@EranHertz]

Amazing conversation, so good hearing other people with a shared sense of (a horrifying) reality. I also observed the toxic exploitation culture in my field which treated humans as temporary parts in a machine that was designed to make as much profit as it can. No one who worked there actually gave a crap about the supposed cause, only about how much power and money they can gain with as little work they can put in. Most people only look at others as tools, something that they can use for their own benefit - or an enemy if not. Don't give away your life for people like this.

[@Emilyhlizz123]

well worth the time to hear your thoughts George

[@TennesseeJed]

Amazing guest! So very preceptive!

[@EnvironmentalCoffeehouse]

Gosh, I love George!

[@susanliebermann5721]

What a great interview! Thank you so much, George and Michael!

[@thegreatstory]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@AvanaVana]

Brilliant talk. You continue to amaze me with these conversations! And make me feel less alone.

[@georgepenguin2515]

I hope to be more like both Michael and George when I grow up

[@johnhester9646]

Thanks for all you are doing. Michael and George, both of you and your efforts, are touching others. Much respect and love for your work.

[@dieteshe]

Thanks for such an engaging conversation and tips given to coping with our changing world

[@arleenducey8511]

George brought me GREAT PEACE!!!

[@meidasken3508]

Thank you George + Michael! Great Podcast!

[@georgetsakraklides5829]

Thank you !

[@Anthropoid333]

Awesome interview! And so cool to find out you lived in Granville Michael. I am originally from Agawam, MA..still here in western MA. 🙂

[@thegreatstory]

Schweet! Coincidentally, my wife, Connie Barlow's great-great-great-great-great grandfather FOUNDED Granville, MA. :-)

[@Emiliapocalypse]

Hey fellow MA person! Greetings from the north shore ::waves::

[@dawnharvey4763]

About the best video I have seen on these topics ever. Thank you.

[@thegreatstory]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@davidfinch2478]

Not even 'a part of' but,,, I'm definitely not indiginous I'm an old white man but sort of a natural born mystic. So this incomprehesible not only earth but creation, both manifested and unmanifested, they knew that they weren't only a part of it but, rather, were it. I had a Native American friend who said "our culture was lost as soon as they tought us to read" It changed the mind into straight line,, conceptual thought and experience mechanism.

[@bumblebee9337]

The conceptual need not overwhelm the perceptual.

[@davidfinch2478]

@@bumblebee9337 1 more step, the apperception of Reality

[@thegreatstory]

Thanks for your comment, David!

[@tsumacity]

Shout out to fellow anti-natalists! OVERSHOOT edit @ conclusion; George is such a great person to listen to. 'Based' as the kids would say. Not one word I would disagree with. Will be looking for his writing. I could tell he and Michael were on the same wavelength. I could see this being a regular event. Let George ramble, he's thought about it quite a bit. Thank you for the wonderful content.

[@thegreatstory]

You're most welcome!

[@user-gf3lw5pi4t]

RIP Michael ❤

[@OurPredicament]

It seems to me all humans have the ability to live sustainably and the capacity for Overshoot. I'm not convinced Wetiko is a catching disease as much as it is a response to increasing carrying capacity through overtake or drawdown.

[@thegreatstory]

Yes, I basically agree. Wetiko as "disease" or "virus" is a metaphor. Still, I highly recommend Jack Forbes' masterful book, "Columbus and Other Cannibals".

[@noahbrown4388]

For sure! Chicken and egg scenario; mutually reinforcing feedback loop. Same with the proliferation of dark triad personality types in society. I think that if we were able to track the rise in psychopath/sociopath/narcissist as a percentage of population, it would perfectly correlate to the ‘progress’ of civilization

[@Emiliapocalypse]

@@noahbrown4388 very thought provoking comment, re the rise of the dark triad of traits correlating with the progress of civilization. Do you write or blog anywhere? That would be a topic interesting to read about. Take care ✌️

[@noahbrown4388]

@@Emiliapocalypse No I don't, but thank you :) Just another layman observing the world and trying to figure out what the hell is actually going on here

[@beingnonbeingincludesexistence]

Great talk! Hey Michael dowd, what are you're thoughts about the Venus project from Jacque fresco. Do you now about that? So yes do you think that is a more realistic version of civilization with smaller cities but they are connected nature friendly designed, and a resource based society with no money, i hate money and I think it causes alot of trouble. Is the Venus project realistic and could it happen? Of course he probably doesn't have everything right but the fundamentals about the Venus project how to do agriculture, resource based society, no money, technology that is helping us instead of controlling us and making a mess, the way he has designed cities, education his focus on art creativity, and making people self reliant and community. What are you're thoughts about that is that more realistic than the civilization we have now and is it possible if people can change their minds of course.

[@thegreatstory]

Nope, not possible. I've got a new video coming out tomorrow that will explain why: "Hopium Detox and Recovery: Accepting and Trusting Unstoppable Collapse."

[@beingnonbeingincludesexistence]

@@thegreatstory alrighty! I will look forward to you're next video. I know that collapse is unstoppable, But i mean more like is a resource based civilization, based on community and observing life with high education, without money, more compatible with life. If we survive collapse and humans form communities again, and we form a resource based society, and build material that can last longer than in a capitalist society because in capitalism everything is made to last really short, and a few people are knowledgeable about how it works than it becomes corrupt and dangerous. so we don't use much resources people can freely get high education that is life based, technology is inevitable with humans it's better to invent technology that is compatible with life. Otherwise if we survive collapse we are going to do the same thing and collapse again and that could be the end, maybe this coming collapse will be even the end.

[@beingnonbeingincludesexistence]

@@thegreatstory it is more like a question, people definitely won't change their minds for a resource based society, i know that, so collapse will definitely happen and possibly end the human adventure/experience.

[@beausie-woesieherewegoesie2548]

Try placing your camera above your line of sight.

[@paulmageeberry2451]

"...even just building topsoil..."

[@thegreatstory]

Yup.

[@justcollapse5343]

Thank you again Michael. Yes George - Inflation. The future will look back at the present and marvel at how cheaply purchased were the stuffs of life.

[@justcollapse5343]

You refer to Sheldon Solomon - This is a good conversation with Catherine Ingram re Becker's prize winning work "The Denial of Death". kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3TXdIR6idilp80

[@Trace7173]

Not sure why you thought he was younger..Obviously he was a bit bothered by that comment because of the way he looked away when you said it

[@beingnonbeingincludesexistence]

Michael dowd what is you're opinion on a resource based society/civilization

[@thegreatstory]

Simply not possible. I've got a new video coming out tomorrow that will explain why: "Hopium Detox and Recovery: Accepting and Trusting Unstoppable Collapse."

[@beausie-woesieherewegoesie2548]

So this guy is a pantheistic naturalist? How long until the revival of the (extinct) Greek Pantheon

[@millennialmindset3624]

Inflation is entrenched in the economy and will skyrocket.

[@sofasrus8081]

I've watched these post-doom vids. But they are all men. There are millions of brilliant enlightened women out there. Why the bias?

[@thegreatstory]

As if today (July 20, 2022) I have had a "post-doom conversation" with 24 women (feel free to suggest more!). All of them can be found here: postdoom.com/conversations/

[@sofasrus8081]

@@thegreatstory 63 blokes tho. Ask your previous male interviewees to put women forward for interview. They're well connected in the ecology world. It would be good to hear from Radical feminists particularly. Too beard-centric at the mo. I've watched almost all but only Kunstler, as far as I recall, brought up the impact of trans ideology on Truthfulness.

[@leonfth]

For such an intelligent person mr Tsaraklides has a pretty naive notion about what's happening in Ukraine

[@EvanWells1]

oh, you're still doing these?

[@karencrecco2922]

You swear to God, and yet ignore his creatorship. He has made all these things for a purpose. The design in nature should show you this. Isaiah 45:18. Revelation 11:18. I am so comforted in the knowledge that Jehovah will restore his purpose in SPITE of man’s hubris.

[@thegreatstory]

Wrong. I don't swear to God. I don't ignore either Creation or Creator. Nature is creative, not designed. But I'm genuinely delighted to hear that you are comforted by your worldview! Me, too.

[@cleonawallace376]

@@thegreatstory I'm pagan and I don't believe that God wants to come and 'punish' humankind. I believe that we are all part of God, and we are also a part of nature. Charles Eisenstein writes very powerfully about the idea that our sense of separation from the rest of nature, and our ensuing loneliness is a at the root of our materialism and destruction of the natural world. I believe that people of all spiritual paths and religious faiths need to rediscover their eco-spirituality.

[@thegreatstory]

@@cleonawallace376 I am a religious naturalist (sacred realist / evidential mystic) pagan Christian, myself. My view of death (notice two RED essays): thegreatstory.org/death-programs.html

[@j85grim4]

The fact that you Karen think, (as nothing more than an advanced breed of monkey like all of us humans are) are so important that you have an imaginary friend with a beard and sandals pulling the universes strings in your favor is nothing more than a quintessential example of supreme not only hubris but of human centered narcissism at the root cause of all the problems facing us in plain sight today.