Karen Perry: Post-doom BENEFITS of Collapse Acceptance

[@HelenJohnson-r5n]

This is absolutely the best thing on the internet.

[@berbudy]

12:30 nah leave the baby alone, let them chill in the soul plane, no need to make then come here on worse condition, they will suffer more than you on even hotter planet than today, less comfortable living condition too in their teenage to adult live, spare their suffering.

[@WhirlpoolFarmer]

Well said. I was wondering about that one.

[@Peace2051]

So grateful to Karen and the late, great Michael. I try to re-visit this interview periodically as it is sings to me as a sermon.

[@marirose9648]

This was a huge breathe of fresh air! Thank you!!! I’m so happy I happened upon this conversation. Today I had a huge cry… not because I’m in grief over collapse. I’m actually very much in acceptance. I’m grieving feeling alone in this knowledge. All I want to do is be outside, garden, spend time with my family, meditate, do yoga and enjoy fully relaxed last few days, months or years we have left. My dear lovely husband is still in the bargaining phase. He really doesn’t want to hear my thoughts. I love him dearly and he is amazingly instrumental in securing our water supply, gardening with me and is a long time meditator. I grapple with wanting to shake him aware and leaving him to his process. Time will tell all. I know I’m in good company here. Just was moved to share my gratitude. Much much love ❤️💖❤️💖✨

[@realeyesrealizereallies6828]

In our privileged lives, it's so easy to ignore the consequences of the American empire, that is murdering and starving people all over the planet on such a massive scale, as well as cementing this self destructive system into place..Which I'm way beyond acceptance of, but it is a thorn in my brain..We can't change the collapse of this monstrousity, or stop the suffering that is perpetrated in our names around the globe, which we are almost completely powerless over also...But, it is sickening...Our privileged lives are made possible by the suffering of billions, including a large portion of our own society..I think something is wrong with anyone who isn't outraged on just about every level..There are many levels of awareness..One of those levels is understanding the miracle to be alive and to have witnessed the beauty and magic of life and the Earth..Which is what I cling to, in these troubling times..I have no anxiety over collapse, but great sadness, despair and rage over the collapse of the biosphere and the way we treat each other, and the miracle we have squandered..."It's no measure of health, to be well adjusted, to a profoundly sick society" ---Krishnamurti Gratitude that this system is still functioning is a double edge sword, in the context that maybe the sooner this system fails, the better the odds for life on Earth...Collapse is exactly the way it should be, we must pay for the untold destruction and suffering we've caused, they're really are no free lunches...We are not meant to walk around happy all the time, there is no growth without pain, sacrifice and being outside of our comfort zone...There is a balance in everything..But, if this system doesn't keep you off balance, something is wrong....Living close to the land, living in the moment, in my opinion, really is the answer for our dystopia..If Guy MC ego attitude would have stuck with that life, maybe he would be more understanding and palatable..."Only love remains, now quit asking me stupid questions you moron"---Some Guy

[@johnmoorhouse1455]

Beautifully said. Thank - you my friend

[@chickenfootranch]

Lots shared here to appreciate, thank you - will just touch on the Guy part: it's far too easy to shoot the messenger, and he is riddled with bullets, which can't feel very comfortable. Can he be a grumpy ass? Yes. Has he been pushed to be? Yes. Let's just be grateful for his work, and respect all he's endured to sound the alarms.

[@elainebraindrain3174]

👍 well said

[@garyhoover9750]

@@johnmoorhouse1455 i have much respect for Guy McPherson. My guess is that he is as imperfect as the next … Guy. Pardon that pun, please! I agree too that he seems awfully grumpy at times, but also that his caring heart comes through. It’s sure ok to point that out and even challenge that. I’ve been disappointed and upset about how disappointed and upset Guy gets! I do not know him personally, but i do pray for him - incorrigible mystic that I am. (Edit: after reading additional comments I responded to some of those. I do think that as Guy McPherson - and other activists working at a variety of levels and coming from a variety of perspectives - have spoken truth steadily over the decades even while watching things get exponentially worse, that this has broken many of us in ways that we did not expect. Clear vision and compassion are great gifts, but they also become a terrible burden in an ecodical culture. Clear vision and compassion are actually despised and rejected in our culture. The campaigns against the truth “Denial, Doubt, Delay” are actually highly organized criminal campaigns funded by “Merchants of Doubt”. Guy McPherson has been going up against these campaigns of deceit for a long time now. I want to recognize and honor that.)

[@oneirishpoet]

PS - stop blaming Guy McPherson for your shitty attitude

[@Sanulay]

I was really depressed and anxious for a few months when I first became collapse-aware. Since then, I've experienced these benefits for myself and it's surprised me just how little collapse-awareness has affected my well-being. The net effect might even be positive. I've adopted a lot of coping strategies, such as living in the moment, that might actually have made me happier than I would have been otherwise. I'm also far less afraid to make life choices that make me happier right now but which might have serious long-term consequences, like pretty much throwing away my career prospects and dedicating my life to activism and hobbies instead. I couldn't care less about unemployment anymore since I get by with very little income and like having all this free time.

[@RichRich1955]

Just what young people wanna hear right?

[@oneirishpoet]

@@RichRich1955 who the hell cares what young people want, they're f*cked too! 😁 Fortunately we decided to NOT have children many years ago 😂

[@oneirishpoet]

I understand how you feel, my wife and I just returned from buying a small house in the mountains of Costa Rica, and it feels great!

[@chickenfootranch]

@@oneirishpoet Follow your dreams and help set others free to follow theirs...especially those younger...

[@NancyBruning]

This rings true. Thanks for the posting. Collapse/disaster/death was always a guaranteed future, the difference now is that more people realize this, and that it will come sooner rather than later, and to many of us. Being diagnosed with breast cancer 40 years ago was a revelation and got me into "disaster mode" sooner than most. As a result, I have a appreciated life more than before diagnosis, and have designed my life to help others have quality lives, using some version of these 15 points. I am now solidifying my local community, aiming to be in close enough physical proximity to share whatever resources we have, to communicate without internet, to be mobile without transportation other than feet and bikes, and to be gathered together, holding hands, when the time comes. Just like the movie.

[@lostcreek9286]

Great interview. Important points. Except the 'have that baby' part. Things are going to get more awful before the end. Why subject a child to that, then an early, fiery death?

[@Uchutanjyo]

Came here for this comment, or to comment it myself. Haha

[@Peace2051]

Even though I empathize with your concept, Karen's message is you don't need to get permission from your peers on how to live the rest of your (limited?) life.

[@michelleelsom6827]

A very interesting talk, much appreciated, thank you. I believe that there are 4 stages of awareness about climate change. they are 1)denial that it is happening at all, 2) awareness that it is happening but don't know what to do, 3)determination to mitigate the causes - in effect to try & stop it happening, 4) acceptance that there is nothing we can do to stop it happening & facing up to the reality of what lies ahead. I think that Karen is in the forth stage as are most of the long-time climate activists as they now know it is too late to stop the collapse. I believe that everyone has to go through each stage before they can get to stage 4 but it is very useful to know that stages 2 & 3 will be followed by a more peaceful stage of acceptance. I will act on your advice as I am now between stages 3 & 4 & need to start living for today. excellent work many thanks to you both.

[@simonheyn3419]

+1

[@oneirishpoet]

Yep that sounds like me, long time climate and environmental activist who realized about 10 years ago that we were already doomed to near term extinction. I'm also a hospice nurse so went thru the stages of grief pretty quickly 😕

[@paulineprojectlove]

Karen is a beautiful, sparkling human. Hardly a doomer albeit very aware of our limited time. On one of Guy’s speaking tours we got to stay with Karen and I had a blast dancing with her at her lovely home while her hubby jammed on the drums. Such a wonderful memory. Planetary hospice is about being present and appreciating the wonderful people around you. Now. Great interview. Thank you for this. Xoxoxo

[@chickenfootranch]

Partying on the Titanic, great hospice memory! Very grateful to you and Guy for contributing so much to help make these conversations possible. You both rock! :)

[@thegreatstory]

Thanks, Pauline... yes, Karen spoke highly of your's and Guy's stay there. In case you've not already seen it, I defend and lift up Guy several times in my latest video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j16Ul6ljasSfmq8

[@thegreatstory]

Here's the exact time-code of one of the places I reference Guy and his vitally important work: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j16Ul6ljasSfmq8

[@finishedarticle7953]

The Band on the Titanic had The Gift - they played their instruments even though they knew the ship was going down.

[@dr.williamkallfelz8540]

Great interview with Karen!! 👏❤️ My personal fav. is # 14, letting go of the control thing, the "purity trap" 😆. So true!! There's a fine line between idiology and idiotology (or maybe there is no line at all!) Making the perfect the enemy of the good and all that...

[@thegreatstory]

Yup!

[@ronaldkable]

Wonderful to hear your conversation, you're kindred spirits, rare. Love the 15 points model 👌🏽 Stay well

[@thegreatstory]

Thanks, Ronald!

[@wanchattheeranaew9893]

Agree with most part of conversation. However, I have to warn you that Karen Perry came from the place of immense activism and responsibility. Her having fun is clearly totally different than irresponsible people having fun. It would be pretty sad if this good conversation were abused.

[@dr.williamkallfelz8540]

Excellent point, Wanchant Theeranew! I was thinking the exact same thing: coming to the other side as Karen has, was part of a very long journey and struggle. We cannot, and should not, confuse collapse acceptance with flippancy or insouciance. Not that l'm saying you gotta pay your dues if you wanna sing the blues, but more like what Rumi said: There are more than a thousand ways to kneel and kiss the ground. Usually, this surrender born of gratitude, is hard won, though. I've also gone through my arc of activism and techno-optimism--l'm glad l'm over those compulsive thought patterns!

[@chickenfootranch]

@@dr.williamkallfelz8540 Yes - it is for sure a hard ride to strap into to get through awareness to acceptance. But the benefits are worth it. And, there is no "one right way" to get through. With such little time left, anyone motivated can take Michael Dowd's crash courses and likely get there. But yeah, you can't fake the funk.

[@dr.williamkallfelz8540]

@@chickenfootranch Ayy-men brother! Thank you so much for your insight. I joined Michael Dowd's PostDoom community back in late October, last year, and participate in the weekly discussions. Best thing that happened to me, for sure! I've followed Guy McPherson for years and the other usual suspects like Sam Mitchell and all the people he used to interview (like Rupert Read, Carolyn Baker,...) so Michael Dowd's PostDoom is a real oasis in a desert of despair-- while there's still time, as you rightly point out, little time, --for oases!

[@northpole9311]

So many of us are here now and going forward with what's happening....yes it's time to ease into it mindful and have a crisp clear awareness of everything around us....great yak thanks..

[@thegreatstory]

Thanks, NP!

[@williampettyrivers]

Your conversation reminds me of two of my favorite quotes, the first by Dylan Thomas from his poem, Do Not Go Gentle Into That Dark Night, and the second by Annie Dillard from her book, Pilgrim At Tinker Creek. Thomas: “Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage, at the dying of the light” Dillard: “I think that the dying pray at the last not please but thank you, as a guest thanks his host at the door. Falling from airplanes the people are crying thank you, thank you, all down the air; and the cold carriages draw up for them on the rocks.” Together, these quotes embody two approaches to collapse that I notice in myself. Thank you for this conversation and the reminder that Dillards, gratitude and thank you is the place I would rather be.

[@thegreatstory]

Thanks, William. For me, personally, I couldn't disagree more with Thomas' advice. Dillard, on the other hand? Amen! My approach to death can be found here (best viewed on a laptop or desktop): thegreatstory.org/death-programs.html

[@williampettyrivers]

@@thegreatstory Thank you for the link, Michael! I look forward to watching/rewatching your insightful videos on this subject which is SO important. You and Connie and the work you do are a true gifts to the world!

[@jarkkokorpua9330]

Brilliant conversation! Needs more views and likes. I think for me it is very hard to normalize the collapse speak and not to end up in an argument. I try this in my everyday life and end up failing miserably. It's not easy to get into the benefits

[@richardbluhm1873]

A favorite poem of mine that I've thought about for years is "Requiem" by Kurt Vonnegut as follows: Requiem The crucified planet Earth Should it find a voice And a sense of irony, Might now well say, "Forgive them, Father, They know not what they do." The irony would be That we know what We are doing. When the last living thing Has died on account of us, How poetical it would be If Earth could say, In a voice floating up Perhaps From the floor Of the Grand Canyon, "It is done." People did not like it here.

[@chickenfootranch]

Jordan was reading Vonnegut in elementary skool in the 70s. 'Nough said.

[@treefrog3349]

This entire conversation is the ultimate expression of the "disposable society" that we have become. Feeling anger, disgust, horror, shocked disbelief and anxiety just isn't "fun" so we just won't do it! It is more fun to remember the good times we've had and continue to have even more of them while we still can. It is not any fun to acknowledge the horrors that we, humanity, have introduced into a beautiful, magical, ecologically-balance ecosystem. Human Exceptionalism is our collective shame. The Earth evolved for over 4 BILLION years in an ever-increasing symbiotic symphony of life - until we arrived a mere 200,000 years ago. We are a "flash in the pan" that managed to destroy the "primordial soup" itself. And we are supposed to be proud of THAT? You all betray the privileged and presumptuous worst aspects of our species.

[@oneirishpoet]

PS - as a hospice nurse I agree with this message! 😁

[@TheodoreKalamov]

Good conversation. Unfortunately, as someone who has not lived a full life, it is harder to get into a post-doom mindset and thus I feel immense resistance to take action, even for myself, to be more resilient. Must be an instinctual thing - the closer to kicking the bucket you are, the easier it is to accept - not to mention preach - being grateful for everything around us. Just choosing to be happy and free comes from a certain place of privilege that ignores the fact that the younger you are, the more innately scared of death you are, barring living in a culture that makes one comfortable with the thought since infancy.

[@garyhoover9750]

Very well said, Teodor. I appreciate hearing your experience and perspective. I do observe that many people respond somewhat as you do. Living into this great extinction event with full awareness and acceptance is both difficult and wonderful. I think it can rake time to really “be with it” and talk with others about it in order to find the gift of change in one’s heart and mind and body and then to stay in that gift. Gratitude for all of the good gifts in this world and life is a very good start. The fundamental nature of our human predicament is a crisis of relationship. When we become aware of collapse, we live in alignment with reality. For example, I do not expect to “get back to normal” nor do I believe that the last few decades constitute “normal” in any way. I do understand that we will see much increased suffering and while I am living with loving kindness in the moment, I also prepare myself to be loving and kind as collapse accelerates. I am not attached to ultimate outcomes, but rather simply try to do the best hospice care for earth that I can while also “mid-wifing” - that is, making a way for life as best as I can. We can love deeply, live gently, and let go gracefully. Warm regards to you on your journey, fellow traveler…

[@juliebarks3195]

I accept but can't live a full complaint life. My daughter went missing 12 years ago at the age of 19. I can't put that right and am locked into a state of grief without hope of a conclusion. Collapse for me seems a less painful option.

[@RalphDratman]

I agree that we have a responsibility to make good use of whatever time remains to us. I hope each person will choose what their personal "good use" is about.

[@chickenfootranch]

For clarification, Chickenfoot Ranch is Karen and Jordan Perry. Much gratitude for all the comments. Normalizing collapse means talking about it, so thank you!

[@cleonawallace376]

Interesting talk, thanks! I've been collapse-aware since about 2006, and have gone through a lot of the grief and anxiety to this point of seeing the benefits. Unfortunately my husband is not there yet...he's okay with some conversations on permaculture and self sufficiency, but as soon as I mention the word collapse he starts telling me I'm living in doom, which I feel totally misunderstands me. We are having a lot of issues over things like pensions, as I don't see any point, but it's hard to explain that without bringing collapse into it.

[@thegreatstory]

Thanks for sharing your heart, Cleona. You may find one of the two videos on this page: postdoom.com/discussions/ or one of the ones on this page: postdoom.com/resources/ be a bridge between you and your husband. That's pretty much why I created them.

[@johntresemer5631]

so astonishing how few humans are on this level of awareness. 😳

[@AudioPervert1]

Many more and much more awareness outside KZbin actually

[@michelleelsom6827]

they will all get there eventually

[@TheDoomWizard]

Facts

[@oneirishpoet]

I agree with all of that except for "have a baby", that's just stupid 😂

[@LivingintheTimeofDying]

how did I miss this one! great conversation

[@natalieeiser6694]

So good, thankyou ❤

[@jitendradasloves-life5738]

So so excellent 💓 as is your channel man ❤️‍🔥 brilliant ideas 💡

[@thegreatstory]

Thank you so much 😀

[@rogerlong6969]

Everything was going great until she said “have that baby“. I almost threw up in my mouth… With overshoot in mind, it would definitely be a better idea to adopt, then to bring an innocent child into world in the midst of a mass extinction event.

[@ruthbelda3887]

The life you describe is how we all should be living irrespective of outer events.

[@TheDoomWizard]

I agree.

[@thegreatstory]

Absolutely!

[@ikoiko1day531]

Have that baby? Isn't that kind of selfish, considering overshoot and the vast amount of suffering already here.

[@TheDoomWizard]

Yeah having a child is unbelievably stupid and selfish.

[@chickenfootranch]

Good question, seems a rather impossible task to identify and rank all the selfish choices one makes in global industrial civilization and the impacts. Perhaps Collapse Acceptance offers more empathy for those in this really challenging baby dilemma.

[@exceptionalrelationships805]

While I appreciate much of what Karen says, I do struggle with some of this content. "Quit that job" strikes me as a very privileged attitude and will not be received well by those living paycheck to paycheck.

[@sunsetfoglight]

@@exceptionalrelationships805 indeed.

[@chickenfootranch]

@@exceptionalrelationships805 Ah the privilege conversation...So many layers to this, as you are considered rich by global standards if you can take a hot shower. Where does a "very privileged attitude" begin? As stated at the beginning, what is offered are merely examples of how the Benefits could be applied to ones' life, and are just that, examples. It's completely unique to each person in how they are expressed, and what sacrifices each feels can be made to express them (impossible for others to know/understand our sacrifices). Appreciate your share, thank you.

[@milnergregorye]

Great topic Mike 😁 Karen's word collapsy lol

[@thegreatstory]

Indeed.

[@TheDoomWizard]

Wise talk!

[@AudioPervert1]

Can words and conversations mitigate a biosphere which is dissolving bit by bit everyday??

[@TheDoomWizard]

No we accepted it's over.

[@thegreatstory]

No, of course not. My sense of the near-term (and beyond) future is well captured in these four short essays/posts and 8-minute video: (1) "Climate Change and the Mitigation Myth" - by Mark Brimblecombe: markbrimblecombeblog.wordpress.com/2021/01/18/climate-change-and-the-mitigation-myth/ (2) "Overshoot: Where We Stand Now": (guest post I wrote for Dave Pollard's blog, "How to Save the World": howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/ (3) "Time's Up: It's the End of the World, and We Know It" - Salt Lake City Weekly cover article - by Jim Catano: www.cityweekly.net/utah/times-up/Content?oid=17298723 (4) "Climate Change is Accelerating": - Colorado Boulevard.net: www.coloradoboulevard.net/climate-change-is-accelerating/ FINALLY, this 8-min clip from HBO's "The Newsroom" (EPA Segments) is a classic (the most accurate portrayal on American TV of what most climate scientists know, but never say): www.dropbox.com/s/orq3tops40gftzo/The%20Newsroom%20%202013%20Environmental%20Protection%20Agency%20report%28EPA%29%3A%20Richard%20Westbrook%20scenes_1920x1080_MOV.mov?dl=0

[@troygoss6400]

Resonance ♾🖤

[@1980oldtimer]

how does a person contact either Michael Dowd or Karen Perry.? I haven/t been able to figure out how. thanks

[@Bookhermit]

The pure entertainment value of the upcoming collapse is endless! And the challenge of guessing how it will unfold and how to enjoy life as we go through the process can be fun too. And then we get to see what we can build out of whatever is left afterwards!

[@thegreatstory]

Entertaining for those of us fortunate enough to not yet be struggling for food, shelter, breathable air, etc. IF anything salvageable is left, of course. :-)

[@Bookhermit]

@@thegreatstory Plenty to salvage. Food for the 1st year after collapse is the only serious issue.

[@malinchristensson4250]

Joanna Macy helps to get through grief to the fifth stage, meaning. Thanks for acknowledge the privileges of others, which are your own; you don't need to worry as much if you are white middle-class with a farm and maybe less traumatized. We can have this collapse acceptance with changed mindset and still be activists.

[@chickenfootranch]

Thanks for the comment! Joanna Macy is directing towards "collapsing well" and what that can look like through the love-in-action Michael Dowd speaks of. Both require Collapse Acceptance to get there, something most with any level of privilege are struggling mightily to do. But once there, wow is there a lot that privilege could do to attempt to clean up the mess and create a more just collapse for all.

[@chickenfootranch]

Here's the full length documentary Innocently Violent by Korey Rowe featuring Karen and Jordan and additional voices kzbin.info/www/bejne/bny5qpWdhpmnmq8

[@tarverator]

Will this be released as a podcast? (Please & thank you)

[@janklaas6885]

📍34:33

[@davidmchugh-hypnotherapist7213]

Thank you for these thoughts. What happens to the “Eco-Warrior?” What do we do with the warrior inside of us? I appreciate Karen’s living in the moment and living unconditionally.

[@chickenfootranch]

We still have lots of work to do! Michael talks about the nuclear spent fuel rods. We want all the dams to come down. So much we could do to collapse well!

[@castlebravo2023]

His names Ted Kaczynski and we've stuck him in a federal supermax prison for the past two decades. There has been a concerted effort waged to disrupt and breakup serious dissident ecological organisations. People have also been offered Astroturfed movements such as Extinction Rebellion which are completely performative. Social Media allows well meaning, but ill informed masses to achieve catharsis by way of signal vicariously through these organisations. The Eco-Warrior branded "Eco-Terrorist" and Incarcerated. The Eco-Philosopher branded "Eco-Facist" and Censored.

[@davidmchugh-hypnotherapist7213]

@@castlebravo2023 Thanks Castle for this information. I think XR is successful because it works at the fringe of 'acceptable-protest' whereas if rebellion is too radical it becomes associated as a terrorist movement.

[@mrbisse1]

Michael, this comment I am making more generally than about this specific interview with Keren (which, of course, was great). I believe that I can offer you some help. Not sure, but pretty sure. It was most apparent to me when I listened to your interview with William Rees. Should I, perhaps, make the comment on that video? I would just like to make sure that you would notice it. The comment can be quite long, so maybe you could suggest a better venue fro me to use. Meaning to help, Frank

[@thegreatstory]

Go for it, Frank! Comment on the Bill Rees post-doom video and I'll get an email alerting me. Thanks!

[@mrbisse1]

@@thegreatstory Thanks. I'll do that. I'll keep my comment a little brief, but I'll say what's most on my mind. By the way, I love what you have been doing. Nice work!

[@berbudy]

6:47 😂😂😂 yeah you right, but only after we admit we did the crime first though so mother gaia didn't left gaslighted to death

[@edthoreum7625]

14:50 🍩!!

[@michaeldowd5545]

It feels so academic. Detached in the world of words.

[@mikeharrington5593]

Karen's backdrop picture Peyto Lake?

[@chickenfootranch]

Not sure, looks like the Sierra Nevada alpine lakes where we've backpacked multiple times. Wherever you imagine it being works!

[@shoshanafox727]

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine 🙃

[@seankennedy2856]

Some of this advice is terrible. Eating a donut does not help with overall short term happiness due to unhealthy food’s immediate impact on our health and mood. It’s disheartening to hear her promote having kids and using gas too; it’s kind of a slap in the face to how we got here. Also she was inspiring when she said to liquidate your 401k, then said she poured all of hers into real estate. Not very enlightened. Overall very interesting though.

[@johntresemer5631]

👍💜🙏

[@heronblue5]

have that baby????

[@heronblue5]

Seems the wrong time for that if you care for the baby.

[@karenperry3168]

In case I didn't make it clear enough, I'm not making suggestions for how anyone should choose to live their life - only stating that in Collapse Acceptance you have deeper understanding/grounding to be able to make life decisions, whatever they may be.

[@michaelsee6553]

This is beautiful

[@TennesseeJed]

Karen, rocks!

[@johntresemer5631]

Michael- You often reference the “normalcy” of civilizational collapse but historically those empires decayed or were destroyed separately while others were on their way up. This time it’s all of humankind and the biosphere going down the tubes at once, quantitatively and qualitatively very different. “Unprecedented!” 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@thegreatstory]

Yes, John, I'm well aware of this, and agree fully. I've tried to make that clear in many of my videos: Such as "Hopium Detox and Recovery: Accepting and Trusting Unstoppable Collapse", as well as "Collapse 101" and "Collapse in a Nutshell" and "Overshoot in a Nutshell", all accessible here: postdoom.com/resources/

[@carolsmith5157]

It’s the roaring twenties once more

[@TheDoomWizard]

With collapse right after

[@maretranquillity]

No subtitles? C'mon, what about those of us with hearing impairment? We don't deserve to hear what you folks have to say?

[@thegreatstory]

How do I create subtitles? Teach me!

[@maretranquillity]

@@thegreatstory Beats the Hell out of me. However, there are thousands of channels and most of them have the usual low-quality computer generated ones, a few though have excellent subtitles made from a transcript of the program itself. You'll have to ask somebody who knows about video production to find out how it's done. Sorry, I only have a channel so that I can post comments, I know almost nothing about video production. Thanks for caring enough to respond, I like your content even though I only get about 1 word in 7. Hearing impairment is just another one of those invisible disabilities like color blindness.

[@shoshanafox727]

Closed caption is available automatically after 24 hours. Available now

[@maretranquillity]

@@shoshanafox727 Thank you, that's good to know. I assume that channels can block the subtitles since I see so many videos that have a notice pull up that says "Subtitles not available" when I click on the CC button. I will check back with "thegreatstory" videos however. I appreciate you taking the time to enlighten me, thanks again.

[@maretranquillity]

@@erdelegy Yes, there is a button, but the process seems to be more complex than it initially appeared. I keep running across videos in which the CC button pulls up a notice on the screen that says Closed Captions Are Unavailable. So, I don't know how this business works and looking at the responses to my first post it appears that no one else does either. You Tube does not seem to have a Tech link where one can go to find out how things work or at least I haven't been able to find one.

[@user-hi1mj4mc3w]

Why is everyone so old who is interviewed? 🙄Why do we need to listen to the generation that ruined things? 🤔 You had your time, and you did nothing of note. Let the younger generations figure things out

[@hiimelfo]

Time is relative ⏰

[@coolworx]

"Why do we need to listen to the generation that ruined things?" Do you have any idea when the industrial revolution began? Or how 7 out of 8 of us wouldn't be here, without fossil fuels? Stop blaming other people. You're as culpable as any of us.

[@garyhoover9750]

Thank you for asking this question. It is valid for the young to be angry. We have had years to make another outcome possible, but frankly we were so drunk of fossil fuels and the like that everything we did just seemed like good idea at the time. I had questions and tried to live in an alternative way, but found it really hard to be heard as long as things were easy and of course then as things became difficult but most folks just wanted (and still want) to get back to normal. So, yes. The “moral injury” of our time is not that collapse is ultimately inevitable, but that we have pursued foolishness rather than wisdom. We traded away the future of the young so that we could live in often stupid luxury. Wisdom and peacemaking would have made room for more life and love. Eventually death and collapse are a part of life. We could have made a longer, better life. So here we are now. Speak your truth and also look and listen deeply. Find those who understand and help you grow even at the edge of all things. And now, maybe there are some good things we can do here and now. Things are very grim. We can choose how we spend whatever life we have left. Ask your questions. Be fully present. Love deeply, live gently, and let go gracefully.

[@wanderingneone]

valid point in a way, but always remember, those ppl that are making this point all their lives, are not really "noteworthy" towards the general media, and got ignored all this time, up to date ;-) But I understand your frustration, and your point, probably being part of the younger generation yourself; to figure things out. Godspeed.

[@michelleelsom6827]

I think you will find it's the wealthiest 5% & the governments who had the control, the rest of us - like you 'youngsters' just got dragged along without much say in the matter. And just look at the mess left at the music festivals to see who really cares ( litter pollution) not many 'oldies' going there!!.

[@elainebraindrain3174]

This is all new to me but I feel like I'm a victim in a slaughterhouse waiting for my turn.🥵 devastated

[@chickenfootranch]

Yes, global industrial civilization is indeed a meat grinder. Hang in there, you got this, Michael's videos are extremely helpful to get clarity. You are not alone, his discussions are great, and there are Benefits in Acceptance! We're all in this together!

[@thegreatstory]

Elaine, a couple of more supportive videos (and community conversations) here: postdoom.com/discussions/

[@elainebraindrain3174]

@@thegreatstory thx👍

[@loshuskiespack9456]

I can teach you hashtags if need be. Let me know

[@thegreatstory]

Yes, Los, I would gladly receive your coaching on this. Let's schedule a time to talk via Zoom or phone. My email sounds like: MichaelBDowd(AAT)geemaleDHATcom

[@theoneeyeseesall6616]

its like being in a bad relationship with great sex

[@Bookhermit]

Sigh...why do I keep ending up in the opposite.....

[@PeterTodd]

lol@@Bookhermit

[@bumblebee9337]

But Sam Mitchell enjoys being curmudgeonly!

[@mikeharrington5593]

That's catching him on a good day.

[@TheDoomWizard]

He's trash. He used to be a realtor, I mean does that not just explain his narcisstic garble.

[@jasonrose1758]

Lost me at liberal

[@xxx-ly7jf]

For me the severe doom comes if I think the system is going to keep going and developing. That’s the actual nightmare. Collapse is a blessing IMO given the course the current technological and industrial system is taking.

[@thegreatstory]

Precisely...well said!