The Psychology of Arcane: Vander’s Parenting Style - Therapist Reacts!

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Psychotherapist Georgia Dow analyzes Vander and what drives the choices he makes for those he wants to protect in "Arcane".
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[@draryoth1573]

I only now noticed how Vander is bringing Vi to the place where everything started for him, so he can teach her how to control herself and make wise choises, while Silco brought Jinx back to the place where everything started for him, so he could teach her how to let herself go and fully embrace her caothic nature.

[@modkip25]

''chaotic nature'' is a strange way of saying terrorism lol

[@draryoth1573]

@@modkip25 well yeah, i Just wanted ti be artistic

[@sys3248]

​@@draryoth1573 Vander wanted Vi to be strong. Silco accept the broken child on Jinx and wanted to reassure her. The story portrayed polar opposites of mutual dependence and how it may deconstruct even the strongest connections through mutual misunderstandings. Vi wanted to shelter and shield Powder whilst denying Powder the chance to do the same.

[@moththechangeling8522]

To me, Ekko is the perfect balance of Vander and Silco's leadership styles. He embodies Vander's protectiveness and focuses on building community, while avoiding Vander's passivity. He also shares Silco's willingness to use force and violence to enact change, while avoiding Silco's ruthlessness (like creating those crystalline bombs). Ekko is the kind of community organizer and activist who could really change things for the better. Can't wait to see more of him!

[@panda_invention1810]

😒

[@kamilasr216]

Facts

[@atelalafford4794]

if you look at the moment when the camera pans to vander's face as he's choking silco he has tears in his eyes :( he was such an atlas character, trying to carry it all, and ultimately choosing to bare all the responsibilities in the end only to succumb to them. i too have so many questions about his past with silco and would love to see any of the potential videos you mentioned! as always, this was beautifully done :)

[@GeorgiaDow]

appreciate you

[@chipstarshine8150]

Very late response I know but the writers confirmed that we will be getting more of their backstory in season 2! Season 2 is slated for late 2024 release last we heard! Stay tuned!

[@cicadeus7741]

Just realised; Vi saying "when did you get so comfortable living in someone elses shadow??" is an echo of sevika's "you look weak." Vander has been told multiple times that his calmness, his soft authority, is weakness. But he has the strength to stand by it. To protect his family

[@emppa3138]

I think Arcane is a love letter to fathers and really well showcases how parenthood changes the toughest of men. Even Silco finally understood why Vander was giving himself up to protect his kids, all though it was sadly too late.

[@GeorgiaDow]

very well said

[@inactive_subs]

I think parents in general and their relationships to daughters. We see it with Vander and Vi, Silco and Jinx, Mel and her mother (I don’t remember her name) and Caitlyn with her mother. It’s beautiful.

[@calummclaughlin7464]

@@inactive_subs mel’s mothers name is Ambessa.

[@indifferenthomosapien7673]

@@inactive_subs Caitlyn’s mom is Kassandra

[@sebastianaristizabal3871]

@@inactive_subs dont forget Marcus and his daughter

[@ferni0307]

"He came on to the bridge a fighter and he left the bridge a father" wow, that made me cry

[@GeorgiaDow]

So happy you liked that one it was one i really felt

[@collincutler4992]

That opening scene is a storytelling masterpiece. Not a word was spoken yet it told so much, and the music was perfect. Really set a standard, as the whole series did.. Vander also made me wanna make some punching irons:)

[@alesksander]

Yeah. Is that perfect hook into episode. Feeling like when i first heard Lotr prologue. Ironically both prologues are so similar and so so different execution wise. Maybe that scene rivals only BB pilot or first scene from New Hope.

[@lilscenechick1995]

Absolutely. Exposition has its place, but most shows and movies overdo it and it's presented as if the writers don't trust the audience to understand what's happening. They "tell" instead of "show". Narration is supposed to offer insight that's not readily apparent, not over-explain the setting, characters, etc. Arcane did it so beautifully. The scenes without dialogue really stood out (and the dialogue sounds natural, like real conversation and not overly expository).

[@wtimmins]

Sometimes people tell me things like 'oh, the show really gets going around episode 168' or something, and I think... but this show absolutely grabbed me from the opening scene. It's astonishing.

[@thejennzee04]

What really made my heart tug was when Vander, near close to his deathbed when he heard Silco give the orders to find Vi. He knew that if Vi was found she was going to die and in his last-ditch effort drank a vile of shimmer. Once he's powered by shimmer, this animalistic side of him takes over that is able to kill Silco's henchman with such ferocity and fury it makes Vi flinch in fear. And when he walks up to her with that same anger it's the look on Vi's face that makes him snap out of it, and it makes him cower back in shame of himself for what he just did and what he's become. Vander never wanted Vi to see him this way again, not after their first encounter. His internal struggle against his rage and his love Vi is so painful he can barely concentrate. It isn't until he's sees Silco does he come to better wits, but it's his devotion to Vi that has him racing to save her life. And in the end, he does the only thing he can do, give Vi advice to take care of her sister and passes on. Not as a monster, but a human.

[@GeorgiaDow]

till the end he protected her

[@kellybraille]

That last sentence - "not as a monster, but as a human." Made me bawl all over again. Well put.

[@gungatz6696]

Jenna Zernhel I'd bet you'd see a real animal out of him soon, when season two comes out eventually. Warwick! , Warwick!.. Warwick!.., WARWICK! Hell yeahhhhh!

[@RizztrainingOrder]

It certainly cleverly distracted folks by blinding them to the reality of the situation by manipulating the emotions of the viewers.

[@Tizjiz]

5:37 The way Vander snuffs out VI’s attempt at making an excuse for her mistake is so real, like how a parent gets their point across to their child seriously. I wish more shows would do this.

[@dinofrog926]

didn’t even notice that. whoever is the writer should get an emmy... or whatever they’re called. a nobel price? yes.

[@panda_invention1810]

6:21 😑

[@Opix9410]

One last thing that I think is brilliant about Vander and Vi's relationship is the scene in episode 9 when Vi is fighting Sevika, she gets thrown to the ground and looks defeated. There's blood pouring from her nose, she looks on the brink of unconsciousness, but it's Vander's voice that pulls her back into reality. It's his calming voice that gets her back on her feet. The "that's my girl" keeps her going. For Vi to spend 7 years in prison being beaten, fighting for her life, and thinking that her sister is dead because of her actions, to still have such a positive image of Vander within her mind...that's powerful, and shows just how highly she really values him and his opinion to this day.

[@GeorgiaDow]

she carries Vander with her and he is her str when she needs it

[@inactive_subs]

That scene made me cry - not only does it show how Vi Carrie’s the responsibility of everything that happens (it is her hallucination, after all) but how she really does take Vander’s lessons to heart and loves him. Such a short scene but a profoundly heartbreaking one.

[@sharpier2283]

I think it's extra touching when Vander realizes what the bunny means because he probably hasn't seen or thought about it in years but still recognizes it and what it means to Vi in this context right away. Great dad :( Also heck yeah to the Vander/Silco comparison video!

[@MattKitten]

I think one of the most telling things about Vander's "gloves" hanging over the bar when Marcus is threatening him is the fact that he would have had to go back to the bridge to get them after bringing Vi and Powder home. To me that says he knew even then that he wasn't done fighting--not by a long shot--but perhaps what he was fighting for had changed.

[@GeorgiaDow]

good point yes ! hah smart and protective

[@silfnix1971]

I wondered about that too, or else maybe someone else brought them to him (not nearly as impactful 😅)

[@MrHendu214]

I have a hypothesis about that. Silco brought his gauntlets back to him, before they had their confrontation. Perhaps it was the trigger for it?

[@NDJunction]

Parallel parenting from two brothers to two daughters? YES *PLEASE* . I would love to understand their different parenting styles psychologically 🤩

[@Swampy_Hag]

Hey Georgia, I really like your videos and you seem like a really nice person, just thought I’d put out a couple more details from this amazing show: Silco wears concealer and draws in his eyebrows. In the ‘rebirth’ scene with Powder/Jinx and Silco, you can even see his concealer wash off. In Jayce’s flashback you can see his mom has a couple of frostbitten fingers that turned competely black, later in the show you can see they’re replaced by mechanical fingers. Lastly, something very interesting but its more of a theory I read on reddit, everytime we see guns being fired sideways (gangster style) they miss. For example, Mylo misses all his shots in the arcade scene vs Powder, but Powder hits all her shots firing normally. What’s really intersting though is the fact that during the Ekko vs Jinx scene, Jinx fires sideways, as if trying to miss. It’s like a subconcious part of her brain is wanting her to lose the fight against her childhood friend.

[@PALWolfOS]

Hell, Mylo hits all his shots when he aims normally

[@Raven_Black_252]

Yeah, I think that's def because Jinx wanted to lose that fight. She even toggled the grenade but by letting it roll beside her, and remember those chomper grenades can bite opponenets (like the firelights she fought or Chuck the barmen). So, she misses shots on purpose but when Ekko can't bring himself to kill her, she gives that sad look with the realization that she has to do it herself. She could stick it to Ekko, but she just lets it roll beside her, giving Ekko enough time run away as she lies down there.

[@haydenberends3905]

@@PALWolfOS Heh heh, yeah

[@GeorgiaDow]

Jayces fingers omg no way

[@silfnix1971]

I also enjoyed how Silco’s tie matches the academy style, and love how his clothes look like Piltover style in undercity colors

[@swiftrespite]

Arcane is the only show I literally cried in the very first scene (seeing Vi break down into tears with Powder hugging her). Regarding what happened between Silco and Vander - Silco wanted to continue the rebellion but Vander wouldn't allow sacrificing more people for the cause. He knew as long as Silco had a voice in Zaun, there would be more deaths. So there was only one way to stop the rebellion and it was to kill Silco. Worst part is both are right in their own way. You can't have change without these drastic sacrifices. Vander made Silco a monster and Vi made Jinx. Will eagerly wait for the Vander/Vi and Silco/Jinx dichotomy vid!

[@clownzzz4837]

Ever see the movie, "Up"? I sat in the theater and cried like a baby. :)

[@HexQuesTT]

Disagree that Vi made Jinx, despite what Jinx says, Vi did everything she possibly could for Powder

[@LoyaltL]

@@HexQuesTT Doesn't matter. Jinx was made the moment Vi said "Because you're a Jinx. Mylo was right." In one fell swoop Powder lost the one source of affirmation she always clung onto.

[@tomvyt956]

@@LoyaltL I think that's especially true because these are the last words vi ever says to Powder, so the thought could easily fester over time while under the influence of Silco

[@novaadstrum5730]

I think that part of the reason why Vander's trying to help Vi think about the consequences of her actions and learn how to solve problems in ways other than fighting, isn't just because he saw his former self in her, but saw who Silco was becoming in her. When Vi asked him "Since when did you get so comfortable living in someone else's shadow?" Vander said he heard that kind of talk before, and she wanted to fight for the same things as Silco, as she says when she vents about how she doesn't understand how Vander chose to negotiate with the oppressive Enforcers who only kill, imprison, and continue to serve Piltover's interests that involve depriving them of stable shelters, food, clean water, air, education, career opportunities, and a life in general where nobody has to worry about that or compromise their morals codes for survival, she said she wanted Powder to have a better life with these things and was willing to fight for it. In the past Silco and Vander fought for these things, but fell apart when Vander wanted to protect his fellow Zaunites from Enforcers by eventually choosing protection and negotiations over the constant bloodshed. All these talks with Vi definitely felt essential to have because those regrets about what he did and didn't do with Silco are very strong for him.

[@karolherman6715]

well Silco and Vander were really similar, even Silco understood that after realising that his dream was in the reach of his hand but he'd have to sacrifice his daughter, Jinx. The show became "human" after Silco visiting Vander's statue scene. I really recomend watching flying walrus film about that. Sorry if I slaughtered english, it's my 2nd language

[@mekkor8896]

Silco believed that in order to get the nation of Zaun, lives had to be sacrificed along the way. But Vander’s different. I think he believes that if he loses all of these lives along the way, what is he even fighting for?

[@silfnix1971]

@@karolherman6715 I watched that video and appreciated that take~

[@jacksquatt6082]

I really enjoyed the back and forth between Vander's pacifism and Silco's use of violence to solve problems. I got the impression that the reason Vander tried to drown Silco was tied up in that. I think that was the moment when Vander decided to make a deal for peace between the enforcers and the undercity, and Silco was having none of it, wanting to continue pushing for violent revolution. On a philosophical level, their interplay had me genuinely asking myself when is the right time to use violence to enact societal change. So many times we're told there is *never* a good time, yet so many beneficial social movements throughout history have occurred through violent means. Without it we would be trapped in an unchanging world were the existing power structures of wealth and influence continue to unfairly take advantage of a majority of the population. On the other hand, violence takes a massive toll on those involved in it, ruining or destroying lives, sometimes scarring entire generations. Also, I really liked that the lessons Vi learned permanently changed her in massive ways. After Vander's talks, she really was more thoughtful of taking responsibility for her actions as a leader. Too many shows have intense and important moments of character growth, only to just kinda' forget about how it changed the character in later episodes. And, yes, I would love another video on Vander raising Vi to be less like him verses Silco raising Powder/Jinx to be more like him.

[@GeorgiaDow]

wonderful analysis

[@goldenbrigain7031]

You could study history and politics if you want to learn when the right time to go to war is.

[@lilscenechick1995]

I agree with everything, but especially the part about character growth and *lasting impact* due to consequences. Way too many shows have character deaths, severe consequences, etc. yet the characters don't seem to change whatsoever. Of course, some people continously repeat their actions without changing, so it's not unheard of. But, when there are no lessons learned it just feels empty. Example: Jessica Jones. I loved it, and Jessica's character, but literally every single character on that show repeated the same behavior/mistakes after supposedly learning a lesson. It was super frustrating.

[@jacksquatt6082]

@@goldenbrigain7031 War with another country is very different than war inside your own boarders. Unfortunately, I get the feeling that the little people don't have a say in what goes on at the "level of change."

[@jacksquatt6082]

@@lilscenechick1995 If only all those other shows could use the "X character just fell back on bad habits." But we both know that it's due to crappy writing, unfortunately. I have only seen the first season of Jessica Jones. I really enjoyed it, but it kind of felt like a self-contained story, as if anything added to it would ruin it. Maybe the writers were just spinning their wheels.

[@VillagerCometh]

Wait I noticed how at 14:50 Vander takes Vi to where they met, so that she could reconsider her intentions. On the other hand, Silco takes Jinx to a place where he was drowned to make her lose her doubts and trauma. The two had opposite intentions but both are places that massively impacted their lives and changed their views, both with the same hope in their hearts, to provide what was best for someone they cared for.

[@sakurap95]

Vi keeping her word speaks on how much Vander has impacted her shape as a person. She looks up to this man so much that certain mannerisms and ways of thinking are imprinted on her. Even her red jacket is reminiscent of Vander’s brown jacket.

[@Flufferz626]

Parents want to make the best for their kids and in the effort sometimes sculpt them into making the same mistakes. Even if they don't want to. It's an endless cycle. Pretty much every mother or father comes to realize this in Arcane.

[@GeorgiaDow]

yes they do

[@sakurap95]

Vi taking down her bunny toy from the wires is symbolic of her growing up from the young child she said she was in her story. She is tall enough and strong enough to get her toy back. The act of her giving the bunny to Powder is symbolic of what she thinks may be her final act as a big sister. Imparting some final wisdom. After Vi and Vander have their conversation on the bridge, Vi realizes Vander might not be able to solve this one. He said he would take care of it before, but now he still hasn’t come up with an answer. And if he can’t come up with a solution, then Vi feels that it does fall on her shoulders. Vi takes Vander’s lesson to heart and is ready to give herself up in order to protect her family. When Vander sees the bunny, he remembers it used to be Vi’s, and he puts the two together that Vi gave this bunny to Powder because she is going to turn herself over. So yes, Vi is like Vander in his worst ways (from his past) but also in his best ways (the leader he grew to be).

[@GoonHandz]

i am so glad that you mentioned that silco kidnapped vander in order to try to bring him back to silco’s side. i don’t think most people get this point. it was kind of subtle and i totally agree with your take. silco wanted to show his big brother the new plan he was hatching in the hopes of enlisting vander. silco basically says “we couldn’t win, until now; what do you say??”

[@GeorgiaDow]

agreed !

[@DoctorAzmain]

I love your Arcane analyses! Vander is one of my favourite characters - a father figure and leader who's made tragic mistakes and yet always wants the best for those around him. Can't wait to get stuck into this one 😊

[@HK-gm8pe]

I see Vander a little differently...I dont see him as a good guy at all , but I come from a country that was oppressed and our people were suffering not as much as in Zaun but it was also very bad....and the reason why we were occuied and oppressed for over 40 years is because of country was full of Vander like people , Vander isnt doing anything horrible when he raises his kids but his problem is his inability to act at all, people in his city are dying from toxic air and are being oppressed and his answer is to do nothing, all characters in Arcane are complex but almost they all wish the best for the characters that are around them

[@GeorgiaDow]

interesting yes I see him as tragic

[@Makjaoiuewhxkjs]

@@HK-gm8pe But he did act and we can see its effects and the very beginning of the show. He accomplished nothing they just lost and ppl died. After such a crushing defeat no wonder he gave up.

[@HK-gm8pe]

@@Makjaoiuewhxkjs I understand, I play lol, I collectcomic books and I love leagues lore .. ofourse I understand but I am just from Estonia...eastern europe, my country has been conquered by everybody in europe basically...thats why htis show is soo unique...beacsue we all see this differently... I just live in the place where I have understood that sometimes it is necessary to fight....just because you dont wnt your nation to be destroyed....Stalin tried to genocide estonians by sending us to Siberian gulags...my great gradnparents were even sent there.... thats why I see this show differently....I am just born in the lace where we had to always fight so that we couldnt go extinct .... but I understandthat yes....ofcourse its hard to lose people you love...I havelost my husband...my best friend died 1 month ago near Kharkiv in Ukraine.... I have lost sooo many people thanks to war but I believethat sometimes we have to make some sacrifices, my nation would be extonct right now if we would have continued acting lik Vander.... sometimes you need to stand up for yourself, othwerwise my nation would have been destroyed...world is sooo big and I dont know where you live but every part of the world s different and different problems need different solutions

[@HK-gm8pe]

@@Makjaoiuewhxkjs but yes...dont think thatI havent lost anybody....you have no idea, I have lostsoooooo many people I just think thatyou live in other country.... so you have different opinion because your country probably hasnt been ocupied for hundreds of yearsso you dont know that sometimes w need to make sacrifices just that our nation would survive....google Estonia and maybe you understand a little bit more... you probably ven havent heard of Estonia :D but yes we were oppressed, killed and deported to concentration camp just liek jews only that nobody cared about us

[@Legion19911009]

I would love to see a Silco/Vander video! Their relationship with one another is the foundation of so much of Vi and Powder’s relationship and personalities. It’s clear there’s so much history and nuance with Silco and Vander it definitely deserves its own video!

[@GeorgiaDow]

okay =)

[@sunflowerice]

okay, most interesting part because it´s new perspective I received: that he used to give her a drink when she was upset and that by solely watching her reaction and the bunny, that he knew what was up with Vi :D I often hear that he didn´t put that much attention on Powder as he did on Vi, but this shows that he knows her well, too^^ But I get why he´s putting so much effort in teaching Vi, not only because she´s the oldest, but because she´s so much like him. Btw yes please Vander&Vi and Silco&Jinx parallels analysis *__*

[@GeorgiaDow]

Yes I will do this for sure. And makes sense why he cared so much to teach her better

[@BlizzardofKnives]

Also, if Vi goes down the wrong path, she'll take others with her.

[@silfnix1971]

I also have seen comments about Vander not giving as much attention to Powder, but I didn’t get that impression at all! (Besides, by that metric he doesn’t talk to the boys much either, and nobody makes that point). I felt, one again, the writers were using their economy of time well by showing us that scene without words, as opposed to slowing it down with dialogue. I can still appreciate that Powder probably didn’t get *as much* attention as Vi, but I wouldn’t use that once scene as evidence to say he neglected her.

[@BlizzardofKnives]

@@silfnix1971 I suspect the negligent Vander angle comes from a section of the fanbase who want to diminish Powders’ responsibility for her later actions.

[@chitoge7816]

1:15 "He came onto the bridge a fighter and he left the bridge a father." Damn that hit me outta my room.

[@shotaackerman2829]

Vander: we crossed that bridge once before... Georgia: *quite literally-*

[@GeorgiaDow]

ehehehehe happy you noticed that

[@silver9wolf6]

Haha, yeah that made me giggle 😁

[@BlizzardofKnives]

Well, he tried to...

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

Vander is one of the greatest mentor-type characters I’ve seen in a while. There are lots of fantastic father-figure characters in fiction, especially recently I would say. But as a mentor, I love that this role is something he’s had to struggle with since before we even meet him in the show and the things he learns are from lived experience. He got to be a mentor and a leader to the people of the undercity, fed up with the suffering and injustice they have to put up with and ready to lead them personally to war to give them a better future. But then he sees the destruction that he visits upon people around him, he knew Vi, Powder, Mylo and Claggor from before, he was friends with their parents, and he led them to their deaths, leaving them orphaned and alone. And here’s what I think makes him such a good mentor figure: it’s that his growth, his epiphany that he needs to care for his people without putting them in harm’s way, blinded by his anger for what’s been done to them, it’s motivated by real emotion, guilt, not just by rationality. And he tries his best to communicate that to his people, that they need to care for each other above all else because topside sure as hell won’t, and he forms this attachment to Vi especially, because he sees her walking in his footsteps and has to stop her from repeating his mistakes and feeling the same guilt he has to carry every day. His first scene after the opening, he’s standing up for a random trencher against bullies, one of his people (he even knows his name) and no violence occurs, he reprimands the bullies for their behavior, pushing them to honor their word and subtly telling one of them “You’ll learn to love it.” in a double entendres referring to both his nasty tobacco and the way of life he cultivates in the undercity, this sense of community he has dedicated his life to fostering. It’s not perfect, they’re getting nowhere, but that’s politics, politics is complicated, but his sense of right and wrong, the moral obligations he knows he has towards his community, those are clear to him. And before tragedy strikes, he is willing to give up his life, his relationship with his family and community to keep them safe. And even in his final scene, Silco tests him so hard, he has to take the Shimmer and destroy himself, become an animal, the hound of the underground (wink wink for League of Legends fans), and even with his mind raging on shimmer, ready to rip Silco’s head off for what he did to his family, he chooses to protect Vi. And that’s where you see that all those hard won lessons, his growth, he wasn’t just doing it because he was scared to fight or guilty, but because he knows in his heart that he has to do it, because it’s the right thing to do. In his final words asking his daughter to take care of her sister. His true final act was to guide Vi to make better choices than he did, a mentor.

[@GeorgiaDow]

thank you for this wonderful analysis

[@amberyoungblood714]

I'm pausing this at 6 minutes in because my 9 year old heard what you were saying and wants to watch all your Arcane videos with me. I am seriously in love with the depth of the characters in this show and how each person might do terrible things, but they all do have souls that care about something very deeply. I am going to enjoy my daughter hearing your perspective on that and thinking more deeply about what makes this show so wonderful.

[@GeorgiaDow]

that's adorable. Let them know I say Hi =)

[@silfnix1971]

Would you be willing to share a follow up to this experience? I hope it went well

[@amberyoungblood714]

@Silfnix my nine year old has watched all of these Arcane videos and honestly loved listening to her perspective on the characters inner struggles. We had a few deep conversations after these about how Arcane shows some truths about serious issues that actual humans deal with, like loss, power, weakness, loneliness, etc. My 6 year old also watched all of her Encanto videos because she swears Georgia is Pepa from the movie, and she watched all of them very intently and I think a lot really sunk in in a different way than she had thought about the movie previously.

[@Aceries_]

Their relationship is a very interesting dynamic that begs the question of: What is most important? Is it giving people the potential for freedom and more, even at the risk of suffering and death? Or is it keeping people safe and protecting life at all costs, even at the cost of freedom and a better life? Personally, I would side with Vander because I am more of a protector and nurturer but I can understand Silco's perspective. Its interesting how this is also reflected in Vi and Jinx. Vi wants to protect because of Vander's influence and of how much she fears losing Powder, even metaphorically. Jinx doesn't necessarily care about Silco's vision. It's apparent with how much she rolls her eyes at his speeches. I think what Jinx gets most out of Silco's perspective is the potential to be more than just the "jinx" and prove herself. A world like Silco's is much more conducive to that saying of "we will show them all". To helping Jinx protect herself from the threat of being replaceable and abandoned.

[@LangkeeLongkee]

Something I will say that I think people skirt over is when Vander says "whatever happens it's on you". Yes as the adults we can look at this and understand he's trying to teach her that as a leader she needs to be responsible, but as you yourself say she is a child and to her, still, everything is straight forward. "It's on you." And Vi takes that to heart. It struck me immediately as an older sibling myself, with a mother who did hold me responsible for even her own faults (and also pursuing a career in Psychotherapy, gang gang). A child needs a parent because children aren't even FULLY responsible for themselves at the end of the day, so she truly cannot be fully responsible for what happens to other kids. Yes, to an extent she is liable for leading them but she is too young to see that nuance, to her that means it's ALL her fault. They show this, she blames herself for everything that happened from the the moment she learns this, she wants to fight for something better for Powder cause it's on her, she wants to give herself up for everyone cause it's on her, she toils for years in jail and throughout the events of Acts 2 and 3 cause everything that happened to Powder, to Ekko, to everyone, is on her. When she shows that she takes responsibility Ekko says to her "that's a good way to send yourself crazy" and it's true. Vi is damaged in her own way, a lot of us don't see it because she's clearly not as manic as Jinx, but she has her own issues. And while I don't blame Vander, similar to Silco, the things he says to his daughter, he was trying to guide her in what he thought was best but ultimately didn't see how those words scarred. While we do recognize Vander as a good man, and we can love him for what he did, but people tend to ignore that just like every other character in the series, he has flaws and made mistakes. But we love him all the same.

[@shipmaster101]

Yes I would love a video comparing Silco and Vander as father figures, that deserves 20-25 minutes at least

[@GeorgiaDow]

At least

[@damobeck1]

A lot of people miss Vander's fear, when he is lecturing Vi. "It just makes m-more of them."

[@Everythingbutcarp]

I’m hyped to see how Vander turns out in Season 2 as Warwick.

[@fabiangiesen306]

Watching this, I just noticed this incredible shot: 15:04 "I was angry, just like you". Look at how that frame is composed. On the right side, we have Vander leaning against the railing, open posture, relaxed. On the left, Vi, hood up, arms closed, rigid, angry, leaning against the pillar. And look at that pillar. Photos, lanterns, candles, handwritten letters; clearly some sort of memorial wall, presumably for the members of Vander's rebellion that died. Vander takes Vi to that precise spot. He clearly knows that's there; he's been carrying that weight since. Vi, from where she's standing, can't see it, but we can.

[@SeyhawksNow]

These arcane videos brought me to your channel! The fact that you, a trained professional, can take time to analyze these characters says so much about the writing

[@GeorgiaDow]

it is an amazing show start to finish

[@lydia-roseaigbedion6025]

Can we get a parenting style video? It really feels like heimerdinger Vander and silco were the main parents of this show and their approaches to their children/students really produced such colorful children and stories.

[@GeorgiaDow]

that would be a good video

[@benjaminszatmari4714]

I absolutely love Vander, he is one of my favorites. JB Blank’s voice acting gives a lot of warmth, pain and texture to his character. Vander’s role is very archetypical, he is a broken man who wants to escape violence and war and tries to solve everything with peace but his hesitation is his doomfall. You can’t escape your destiny. He reminds me a lot on Thors, Thorfinns’s father from Vinland saga. A former Jomsviking infamous for his ferocity and mercilessness on the battlefield. Not long after the birth of his firstborn daughter he decides he escapes the cycle of violence by faking his own death. He Settles down and later his second child, his son, Thorfinn is born. Eventually his former brothers-in-arms tricking him into an ambush and gets assassinated by pirates. At the end he fights valiantly but because of his injuries he dies. The lesson is that no matter how hard you try you can’t give up. I can relate to Vander because I do seek tranquility in my life but I can not escape certain things from my life. I have to keep going. Everyone has to. Keep fighting the good fight!

[@GeorgiaDow]

he does a wonderful job in voice acting for sure

[@georgesamsara18]

I wanted to comment that I love Arcane, it reminds me of my life, I am an orphan, I identify myself too much as Vi, when you made an analysis of it I was shocked, I also have to comment that my uncle is like Vander Totally, he is a father to me.

[@GeorgiaDow]

so happy you have a vander in your life

[@georgesamsara18]

@@GeorgiaDow Thank you ❤️

[@SeyhawksNow]

The analysis made me realize the parallels of Vander/ Silcos relationship and Vi/Jinx's more, too! Both Silco and Jinx create a weapon to be used against the Topside, and Vi and Vander go to extreme measures to ensure its not used, even going so far as to work with Topsiders to stop it. It's those direct actions that lead to Jinx and Silco feeling betrayed the most, and which lead to the final confrontations.

[@bellamydoucette9530]

Poor Vander has so much more suffering ahead of him. He doesn't get the sweet release of death, instead he continues living as a bloodthirsty monster who has lost itself completely into wrath and pain

[@Kore_Cir]

Hopefully so. Not because I'd want him to suffer, but I'd like to have him back.

[@kristiyangrigorov5232]

@@Kore_Cir oh you will see him in season 2 as Warwick

[@hieronymusboss7705]

I wonder if you could even argue it's truly Vander anymore. If he actually died, then Warwick is just a reanimated corpse basically, with sporadic memories but an identity all his own, and perhaps the question will become whether he can regain any of that humanity or if he's truly a mockery of the old Vander, doomed to stalk Zaun in bloodlust. Almost like a Wolverine kind of arc, where he's trying to regain his memory from before Weapon X. I haven't played LoL, but I'm psyched to see how they work Warwick into Season 2.

[@VenhedisKaffas]

If there's anything I want to see in season 2 it's more memories between Powder and Vander and also definitely what happened between Silco and Vander. Something must have happened that wasn't just "I'll betray you for power" because Vander sees himself in Vi and Vi at 16 doesn't seem like the kind of person to stab someone in the back either. More like, something happened and rage took over. Or it was an act of protection, to protect someone else. Maybe, because Silco compares himself to Powder/Jinx a lot, Silco also has something on his conscious and Vander reacted in the only way he was taught to react, the same way Vi reacted to Powder in episode 3. As for the Powder/Vander memories, I never connected the dots of decorations on the cup + Powder = Powder's cup so now I just want to see more of that. He definitely took extra care of Vi because of their similarities and Powder definitely connected more with Silco for the same reasons. But there was definitely still a fatherly bond between Powder and Vander that I really want to see a little bit.

[@darius0683]

This therapist is the best!

[@damianstarks3338]

I know that is why I subscribed to her channel !

[@GeorgiaDow]

aww

[@damianstarks3338]

@@GeorgiaDow your welcome you do the best character analysis.

[@darius0683]

@@GeorgiaDow no problem I’ll always watch you

[@Casper8855]

Vander took in two girls (and later two boys) who were orphaned because of his actions, being indirectly responsible for Vi and Powder no longer having parents. He accepts his role in their deaths, makes protecting his children his new mission and openly talks about his mistakes with his children (or Vi at least from what we see), wanting them to be better and not make the mistakes he made. His focus is on them staying together as a family and looking out for each other, even with his dying breath. Silco orphans a girl and refuses to accept any responsibility. Instead he twists certain truths and and straight-up lies about other facts to turn this girl against her family and make her dependent on him. He gloats about this to her surviving family member Vi ('I freed her, I thought you were the price of your second hand family, but Jinx is so much more') and mocks her lack of strength, claiming that is why Vander died and what 'drove he sister away'. Drove her away, not 'you left her' as he often tells Jinx, thus showing he is constantly lying and manipulating her about the loss of her family, refusing to accept any guilt on his part. And people have a hard time deciding which parenting method is better. Silco has as much right as calling the girl he orphaned and planned to kill his 'daughter', as my shit does at claiming to smell sweet. Candidly, I think my shit would stand a better chance in court.

[@anonymousfellow8879]

I’d love to see videos analyzing the Mentors and their Proteges of Arcane (Vander and Vi, Silco and Jinx, Viktor and that mad scientist (forget his name). I’d put Grayson and Caitlyn here too, except there’s really only a single (but formative) scene of them interacting-it’s closet to Jayce seeing a mage saving his and his mother’s life with magic.) But, also seconding a video specific to Vi vs others’ relationships with Vi.

[@GeorgiaDow]

Grayson and Caitlyn nice one

[@tomburns7544]

I love how you break down so much of this story and characters so thoroughly. Arcane is such unexpectedly great storytelling and your analyses do a great job highlighting the brilliant writing. Thank you!

[@GeorgiaDow]

thank you

[@ShyyCrow]

this is easily my favorite series on your channel! arcane is such an amazing show. and i would love to see a video on the parallels of vi & vander & jinx & silco. i feel like theres a lot to unpack there

[@Kore_Cir]

I'd really love it if we would get more insight into the relationship of Silco and Vander before the fight on the bridge took place. What their personalities were like and why Vander tried to drown him later. Would add even more detail to their characters. Hopefully there'll be some flashbacks in season 2.

[@mochoppowade7531]

Fantastic video! Looking forward to the one about Vander and Silco. I never even realized that Vander is trying to help Vi be better than him, where Silco wants Jinx to be him. Your analysis is always enlightening

[@user-uf7wg1zo5k]

They both want their daughters to be better than them. The opposite thing is that Vander does not want Vi to choose the same path as he did while Silco honestly thinks that the same path he walked is the best way for her to become free and powerful. They both care and they both offer their life's knowledge to those kids.

[@GeorgiaDow]

thank you so much

[@teebo2085]

AHHH, I'm so excited for Vander & Vi, Silco & Jinx parrallels!!

[@GeorgiaDow]

me too

[@hyperf1sh161]

Vander was, is, and always will be my favorite character in Arcane

[@cazory2147]

Vander the Maker of Villains. Thank you for another great Arcane video and I hope you keep making more of them. Your analysis on the different characters is very rewarding to watch, and this show has really well crafted-complex characters. As such, Vander is one of those complex characters. On the surface level, he is the Protector/Morale/Father figure (usually destined to be sacrificed in service of a Protagonist); however, there is so much more going on. He is flawed and made some serious mistakes; however, these are very subtle yet have made huge impacts to this story. The most obvious (non-subtle) is his betrayal and creation of Silco as a villain; however, there is a parallel being show here in that he also created Jinx as a villain (much more subtle). Vander betraying/failing Silco is explained in about a minute total screen time. The visual of trying to drown Silco with some "brothers in a cause" dialogue. Got it, and easy for an audience to understand. Vander betraying/failing Powder is explained visually only and drawn out throughout the first act in small little nuggets. Much easier for an audience to miss. Chronological examples... The Bridge - The opening scene is from Powder's point-of-view. All the white scratch line overlays when she sees the Enforcers and dead bodies is her mental breakdown from witnessing this trauma. Those lines continue throughout the entire show. Emotionally, Jinx never left the Old Cannery (why the season finale takes place there, and I think you pointed that out); however, Mentally, Powder never left that bridge. And Vander is unfortunately to blame by... Neglect - Powder and Vander never have a on-screen conversation together. He only ever says a single word to her "From?", and even that single word interaction has nothing to do with Vander and Powder's relationship. The bar/bunny/drink scene is set to music to avoid showing Vander and Powder having a conversation. This was all done by design to show how Vander is fueling Powders mental problems of fear of abandonment, fear of acceptance, fear of worthiness.. such as.. The Door - When Vander tells the kids to leave so he can talk to Vi, Powder pauses for a split second to look at Vander and Vi before closing the door. Initial understanding would be that Powder is worried about her Sister getting into trouble with Vander; however, it much more includes the fact that Powder is seeing Vander spending so much more time focused on being a father to Vi's needs... such as... The Bunny & The Drink - When Vander does his usual Fatherly comforting routine of giving Powder her drink and it doesn't work, he of course becomes concerned; however, before he can actually engage in any meaningful conversation about her mental state, he sees the Bunny and his Fatherly concern immediately switches from Powder to Vi. Just another subtle example of the neglect. Two Different Daughters - Vi is Vander (won't repeat all your excellent examples), and as such he can easily be a Father to her. Drawing on his own experiences to guide her. How Vander can properly be a good Father to Powder just isn't in his wheelhouse of understanding. He doesn't know how to properly care for a person with so many mental/emotional/fear problems. As such Powder never left that Bridge, never learned to properly cope with trauma, never learned emotional/mental strength, never learned to properly deal with/be prepared for future hardships (teasing/loss/etc.). Powder was never given the chance/guidance to not become Jinx. If the events in Episode 3 never happened, there would have been some other later trauma in her life to push her over the edge. Vander is a good person, and he never intentionally neglected Powder; however, neglect is still neglect - intentional or not. Just another great complex yet flawed character (who unfortunately did create the biggest threat to this story and peace). But peace is boring! :p P.S. Jinx saying Vi created Jinx is because she is always going to blame whatever catalyst trauma pushed her over the edge. Say for example Episode 3 didn't happen and Powder later in life found a love interest, and that love interested caused a perceived catalyst trauma, she would say that person created Jinx. Because her unresolved mental trauma from the Bridge is always there just waiting to blow up!

[@merrril]

There's so much parallels in this show, so I can imagine that when Vander says "This kids look up to you... You say light a fire, they show up with oil. But whatever happens, it's on you", and as he struggles with Grayson's offer to turn someone in, it's actually might be a parallel of what actually could happen in his past with Silco (and, maybe, some other teenagers). I can imagine, they did something very wrong, that cost people lives, yet scared the topsiders, so people of the Lanes got a bit more freedom (and so Silco realised this sort of violence is the key to his nation's freedom, as he's saying twice in Act 1), and Vander was in charge of actions of his younger friends, yet could betrayed Silco by giving him in to the angry crowd (or enforcers?) who wanted to find who's responcible for their friends and families deaths ("I trusted you, and you betrayed me" part). And end up murdering his brother himself due to the deaths he caused, not with his knife, but the way people usually drowns puppies and kittens, cause they can't handle seeing the blood of their loved ones (much less violent parallel with Vi punching her sister when she realised that her family's dead because of Powder). These are pure speculations from my side, and yet, hmmm 🤔

[@nallash905]

Of course we do want another Vander and Silco analysis! Another great episode, thank you for putting so much heart into these ❤️

[@GeorgiaDow]

[@snowm1836]

Amazing analyses! We don’t get much of Vander in the show so I’m really happy that he can still be analyzed and to be able to get an in-depth look into his character and personality💖 And amazing cosplay as always💖😄

[@GeorgiaDow]

thank you so much

[@jetismaili6391]

These characters on the show are the best i've seen in any animation movie....really!....so "human" and relatable to real life....so fragile and easy to empathize with Love this type of content from georgia who really is the best with her cosplays and her really emotional and precise words to analize and get to understand more of these beautifully written characters.....Really looking forward for the next video!

[@GeorgiaDow]

thank you so much

[@javascriptsophie4958]

Vi is the sweet caring caretaker side of Vander and Jinx is the inner monster side

[@artboymoy]

Excellent video, Georgia. Vander was such an influence on Vi and he was shaping her to be a leader. Vander's Prodigy as Silco put it. I honestly think Vander should have let Vi turn herself in, but I guess he was overly protective and emotional to let her do it, not fully realizing in Grayson's words that the safety the lanes had would all fall apart without him there. I love Vander's and Powders interaction too. I get the feeling that Powder doesn't look at Vander as a parent. I think Vi definetly fills that role. But the scene is just gold. No words needed. Keep the Arcane vids coming!

[@DawnRego]

Fantastic analysis of Vander, Georgia! You showed all the good, the bad, and the ugly of being a true leader. I always remember Vander's words that he gave to Vi: "Whatever happens, it's on you." I also didn't even notice the parallels between Vander/Vi and Silco/Jinx until you mentioned it. :D Thank you for the video!

[@GeorgiaDow]

Thanks Dawn it was such fun and I love they show the grey in us all

[@sarairicard8283]

I love how you really understand the characters! Also, love the cosplays of the characters you react to!

[@GeorgiaDow]

thank you this one I think I ddi pretty good on

[@rylace]

"It happened with the monster that he created," I appreciate what you did there.

[@GeorgiaDow]

Happy you noticed =)) was assuming no one would

[@crystals.7161]

Another amazing video! I love your breakdown of Vander. I really enjoy when you breakdown how the brain and the pshye work. I also love the cosplay everytime!

[@aleheatherx7992]

Another cool symbolic thing about vander and his character is that the name vander means ‘family of’ and ‘good man’ which I think adds so much more depth to his character and what he represents

[@GeorgiaDow]

nice i didnt know that

[@chelbanna]

Vander essentially warned Vi about the entire plot of the rest of the show in the few episodes he was alive. He wanted her to learn to negotiate instead of fight because things get out of hand. He wanted her to take care of the people around her and think about how her behavior can cause violent ripples if she herself chooses violence instead of listening to the world around her. However, she remains so stuck in her ideals and her head that they constantly come to war with her over Powder/Jinx. She lost her temper, she hit Powder, so Jinx was born. She tries to negotiate but her words don't work because she doesn't think about what Jinx is thinking or try to see her perspective, which repeatedly throws Jinx further off the deep end and begets more violence from Jinx's instability. "She could lose her sister if she did anything too rash, if she didn't think it through properly." And so she did.

[@GeorgiaDow]

Truth

[@bones6896]

Your videos are incredible, this might be my favorite KZbin channel. I aspire to be a psychologist one day, so being able to learn some things while still being entertained is fabulous. Keep up the amazing content!😁

[@dallovi1990]

I love these videos, I learn so much watching them, please keep them coming 😊

[@vladislava511]

I love that watching your videos allows me to rewatch Arcane in the perspective of one character.

[@KniteSparxx]

Great video as always Ms Dow

[@atelo8467]

You keep showing us more perspectives and little treasures, thank you 💜

[@GeorgiaDow]

Awww!

[@hol83]

Uhhhh, I've been waiting for this. I'll look at that now very happily, thank you in advance for analyzing his character.

[@GeorgiaDow]

welcome =)

[@joeyc.9622]

It is getting crazy how much I look forward to your perspectives!

[@GeorgiaDow]

oh yay

[@romycaverly4087]

Your content is so amazing and so SO important. Im in awe everytime. From an arcane fan and psychology student, thank you again for making these!

[@GeorgiaDow]

You are so welcome!

[@icywinterof88]

these videos are so amazing, thank you for sharing these, they mean so much.

[@GeorgiaDow]

appreciate you

[@robbiestroud2858]

Thank you, Georgia, For your invaluable information.

[@aquana]

Another great video! I've been hooked on your Arcane content ever since KZbin accidentally showed me one when I was browsing reaction videos and now every time you say "maybe this should be its own video" I just want to yell "YES PLEASE" at my TV lol. The whole "good friends" thing and you actually going back and revisiting the topic was very wholesome, too. I hope you can squeeze a few more videos out of the show, there's just so much to analyse 😁

[@GeorgiaDow]

there are so many to still do

[@Tredhd]

Subscribed. Very perceptive takes. I'm quite enjoying these! Thanks for making them.

[@GeorgiaDow]

Appreciate you

[@TheMadDoctor-ku6yu]

More for this series is always appreciated 🙏

[@GeorgiaDow]

will happen =)

[@none-pr4zm]

I have had bad days. And perhaps I feel vulnerable at the moment so when I see your video, I feel somehow conforted. Thank you.

[@GeorgiaDow]

happy it helped

[@TukaihaHithlec]

I like how Vander was willing to fight and sacrifice himself to help his followers, but they died following him while he was strong enough to survive. It’s counterintuitive but very realistic.

[@DragonAge87]

Always love you videos. Especially the ones on Arcane. The show is just so amazing, and has so many complex characters. Definitely hope to get a video that is 100% about Vi.

[@GeorgiaDow]

I think I will yes

[@BunnysBadHabit]

I greatly appreciate that in every one of these videos you try to match the style of the character. Thank you for your videos!

[@GeorgiaDow]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@Flowery1991]

Great video! Thanks for your Vander-analysis! I also agree that there are many parallels but also opposites between Vander and Silco as well as the dad-daughter-relationships of Vander+Vi and Silco+Jinx. I would love to see your video about that topic!

[@natmontero3705]

I love how this show was able to start debates where both sides have good points of view. It shows how humans nature is. Also I love your analysis of the series 🥰🥰

[@roguetrick4590]

Are you willing to face the consequences of your actions, no matter how well intentioned?...is Vanders greatest lesson to vi, one that he should have also told his other kids

[@rafaelalvessantos12]

Thanks for the content! It would be interesting if we got a series in the channel about the personality types and mind characteristics of characters in fiction, using them as examples to explain some concepts in psychology, in some ways following the model that we got from the Arcane videos, but on a more focused and deep dive on key concepts rather than an analysis of the characters themselves. For instance, videos where a personality type or ego defense mechanism is exposed and characters from different medias are shown representing those. Hope the channel keeps growing, those discussions fly under the radar to most, I'm glad it's getting that spotlight.

[@GeorgiaDow]

thanks for being a part of my community

[@305bj]

Just discovered your channel this week. I’m in love with it! Can’t wait to see what’s next.

[@GeorgiaDow]

Welcome to the family! Hope you enjoy the videos and content

[@305bj]

@@GeorgiaDow :D

[@cynthiameyers7529]

It's interesting how both Vi and Jinx are carrying on the legacy of their respective fathers. Both Silco and Vander saw themselves reflected in their children and they, in turn, revered them to the point of carrying out the war against one another long after both men are dead. Loved the jacket, by the way! The analysis of Vander's parenting and influence on Vi was spot on.

[@GeorgiaDow]

thanks =)

[@muffinlamp]

can i just say how much i love that you match your outfits to what character you’re talking about??

[@maryelitherrera5993]

Yesss, I want to watch that video of the parallels between Vander and Silco's parenthoods. I think Vander didn't want Vi to become like him because he thought that would make her reckless, but in Silco's case, since he thought that he used to be weak and that being weak was the reason why he was hurt by the person he trusted the most, he wanted to make sure it didn't happen again to him nor to Jinx, and in order to prevent it to happen to her, he needs her to be more like him, more like the version of himself that survived almost being drowned to death

[@xavi3813]

I love your Arcane Series! It is really great content that analyzes a great show! I really like Vander as a character and how he loved his children, specially Vi and Powder!

[@GeorgiaDow]

yes he really did thanks

[@stomponshao]

Originally WandaVision brought me to your channel and I'm so happy to see how much it has grown especially since Arcane, so very deserved! By all means keep them coming, I could watch your Arcane videos forever! :D

[@GeorgiaDow]

awww thx

[@giohex]

I adore your arcane analysis! I've been watching them for so long...and ah, the feelings is insane. The characters in arcane are so different in so many ways. There's many different layers to them and it's all so good. Partially off topic, would you ever think about doing one of Jayce? I feel like so many people get his character wrong and hate him for so many weird reasons.

[@jamess.2491]

Great video! Would love to see a solo Silco video, thought he was maybe the most complex and flawed character in the show and he definitely deserves his own video!

[@GeorgiaDow]

i think so also

[@TurokRevolution]

Please do the video of the parallels and differences between Vander and Vi, and Silco and Jinx. I'd really like to see that! POTENTIAL SPOILER FOR SEASON 2! I think it's pretty obvious that Vander will become Warwick in Season 2, there are just too many hints to it for it not to happen. In the lore Warwick is haunted by the memory of a girl and one of his last and only memories before becoming a monster is a girl screaming a name. The girl is Powder. Vander's last thought just before he "died" was of Powder. Add to that, in the Season 2 teaser Jinx says "I'm glad it's you. Had to be you." followed by Warwick's hunting theme, which could also be heard in Episode 3 after Silco said "I will show you what you really are." My theory is that Jinx will meet Warwick, recognize Vander and accept him as the creature he became. This would also mirror what Jinx wants. She just wants to be accepted like she is now. Silco did, but Vi doesn't. The question is if Warwick will also recognize Jinx.

[@GeorgiaDow]

oh wow thanks for this information

[@iamyoung4eva21]

Warwick is not going to be in this. Warwick was made by singed..

[@haydenberends3905]

Already one of the best father/mentor characters ever written. Vander's last stand is probably my favorite scene in the show.

[@paulf1461]

I love these arcane videos! MORE! Also plz do ASMR, you have such a relaxing voice.

[@GeorgiaDow]

heheeh asmr its probably not that relaxing

[@jeffhale1189]

Thanks...I enjoyed your video with great insight. Blessings on your day!

[@GeorgiaDow]

thank you

[@silfnix1971]

I love you character analysis videos! I look forward to every new Arcane episode you release and I really hope you do make a video talking about Vander and Silco 💖💖💖💖 I need it 🥲

[@GeorgiaDow]

I think I may

[@marianamora4203]

I can't get enough of these Arcane analysis videos

[@GeorgiaDow]

[@NeilSchnepf]

As a writer and storyteller, I've loved all of your videos exploring the motivations of, and interactions between, such fascinating, multi-layered characters! Would definitely enjoy a video comparing the arcs of Vander and Silco!

[@GeorgiaDow]

thanks =)