The Psychology of Arcane: Vander’s Parenting Style - Therapist Reacts!

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Georgia Dow

Georgia Dow

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@emppa3138
@emppa3138 2 жыл бұрын
I think Arcane is a love letter to fathers and really well showcases how parenthood changes the toughest of men. Even Silco finally understood why Vander was giving himself up to protect his kids, all though it was sadly too late.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
very well said
@inactive_subs
@inactive_subs 2 жыл бұрын
I think parents in general and their relationships to daughters. We see it with Vander and Vi, Silco and Jinx, Mel and her mother (I don’t remember her name) and Caitlyn with her mother. It’s beautiful.
@calummclaughlin7464
@calummclaughlin7464 2 жыл бұрын
@@inactive_subs mel’s mothers name is Ambessa.
@NinjaMaster23145
@NinjaMaster23145 2 жыл бұрын
@@inactive_subs Caitlyn’s mom is Kassandra
@sebastianaristizabal3871
@sebastianaristizabal3871 2 жыл бұрын
@@inactive_subs dont forget Marcus and his daughter
@draryoth1573
@draryoth1573 2 жыл бұрын
I only now noticed how Vander is bringing Vi to the place where everything started for him, so he can teach her how to control herself and make wise choises, while Silco brought Jinx back to the place where everything started for him, so he could teach her how to let herself go and fully embrace her caothic nature.
@modkip25
@modkip25 2 жыл бұрын
''chaotic nature'' is a strange way of saying terrorism lol
@draryoth1573
@draryoth1573 2 жыл бұрын
@@modkip25 well yeah, i Just wanted ti be artistic
@sys3248
@sys3248 2 жыл бұрын
​@@draryoth1573 Vander wanted Vi to be strong. Silco accept the broken child on Jinx and wanted to reassure her. The story portrayed polar opposites of mutual dependence and how it may deconstruct even the strongest connections through mutual misunderstandings. Vi wanted to shelter and shield Powder whilst denying Powder the chance to do the same.
@cicadeus7741
@cicadeus7741 2 жыл бұрын
Just realised; Vi saying "when did you get so comfortable living in someone elses shadow??" is an echo of sevika's "you look weak." Vander has been told multiple times that his calmness, his soft authority, is weakness. But he has the strength to stand by it. To protect his family
@moththechangeling8522
@moththechangeling8522 2 жыл бұрын
To me, Ekko is the perfect balance of Vander and Silco's leadership styles. He embodies Vander's protectiveness and focuses on building community, while avoiding Vander's passivity. He also shares Silco's willingness to use force and violence to enact change, while avoiding Silco's ruthlessness (like creating those crystalline bombs). Ekko is the kind of community organizer and activist who could really change things for the better. Can't wait to see more of him!
@panda_invention1810
@panda_invention1810 2 жыл бұрын
😒
@kamilasr216
@kamilasr216 6 ай бұрын
Facts
@ferni0307
@ferni0307 2 жыл бұрын
"He came on to the bridge a fighter and he left the bridge a father" wow, that made me cry
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
So happy you liked that one it was one i really felt
@AtelaLafford
@AtelaLafford 2 жыл бұрын
if you look at the moment when the camera pans to vander's face as he's choking silco he has tears in his eyes :( he was such an atlas character, trying to carry it all, and ultimately choosing to bare all the responsibilities in the end only to succumb to them. i too have so many questions about his past with silco and would love to see any of the potential videos you mentioned! as always, this was beautifully done :)
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
appreciate you
@chipstarshine8150
@chipstarshine8150 Жыл бұрын
Very late response I know but the writers confirmed that we will be getting more of their backstory in season 2! Season 2 is slated for late 2024 release last we heard! Stay tuned!
@collincutler4992
@collincutler4992 2 жыл бұрын
That opening scene is a storytelling masterpiece. Not a word was spoken yet it told so much, and the music was perfect. Really set a standard, as the whole series did.. Vander also made me wanna make some punching irons:)
@alesksander
@alesksander 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Is that perfect hook into episode. Feeling like when i first heard Lotr prologue. Ironically both prologues are so similar and so so different execution wise. Maybe that scene rivals only BB pilot or first scene from New Hope.
@lilscenechick1995
@lilscenechick1995 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Exposition has its place, but most shows and movies overdo it and it's presented as if the writers don't trust the audience to understand what's happening. They "tell" instead of "show". Narration is supposed to offer insight that's not readily apparent, not over-explain the setting, characters, etc. Arcane did it so beautifully. The scenes without dialogue really stood out (and the dialogue sounds natural, like real conversation and not overly expository).
@wtimmins
@wtimmins 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes people tell me things like 'oh, the show really gets going around episode 168' or something, and I think... but this show absolutely grabbed me from the opening scene. It's astonishing.
@thejennzee04
@thejennzee04 2 жыл бұрын
What really made my heart tug was when Vander, near close to his deathbed when he heard Silco give the orders to find Vi. He knew that if Vi was found she was going to die and in his last-ditch effort drank a vile of shimmer. Once he's powered by shimmer, this animalistic side of him takes over that is able to kill Silco's henchman with such ferocity and fury it makes Vi flinch in fear. And when he walks up to her with that same anger it's the look on Vi's face that makes him snap out of it, and it makes him cower back in shame of himself for what he just did and what he's become. Vander never wanted Vi to see him this way again, not after their first encounter. His internal struggle against his rage and his love Vi is so painful he can barely concentrate. It isn't until he's sees Silco does he come to better wits, but it's his devotion to Vi that has him racing to save her life. And in the end, he does the only thing he can do, give Vi advice to take care of her sister and passes on. Not as a monster, but a human.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
till the end he protected her
@kellybraille
@kellybraille 2 жыл бұрын
That last sentence - "not as a monster, but as a human." Made me bawl all over again. Well put.
@gungatz6696
@gungatz6696 2 жыл бұрын
Jenna Zernhel I'd bet you'd see a real animal out of him soon, when season two comes out eventually. Warwick! , Warwick!.. Warwick!.., WARWICK! Hell yeahhhhh!
@RizztrainingOrder
@RizztrainingOrder Жыл бұрын
It certainly cleverly distracted folks by blinding them to the reality of the situation by manipulating the emotions of the viewers.
@fabiangiesen306
@fabiangiesen306 Жыл бұрын
Watching this, I just noticed this incredible shot: 15:04 "I was angry, just like you". Look at how that frame is composed. On the right side, we have Vander leaning against the railing, open posture, relaxed. On the left, Vi, hood up, arms closed, rigid, angry, leaning against the pillar. And look at that pillar. Photos, lanterns, candles, handwritten letters; clearly some sort of memorial wall, presumably for the members of Vander's rebellion that died. Vander takes Vi to that precise spot. He clearly knows that's there; he's been carrying that weight since. Vi, from where she's standing, can't see it, but we can.
@Opix9410
@Opix9410 2 жыл бұрын
One last thing that I think is brilliant about Vander and Vi's relationship is the scene in episode 9 when Vi is fighting Sevika, she gets thrown to the ground and looks defeated. There's blood pouring from her nose, she looks on the brink of unconsciousness, but it's Vander's voice that pulls her back into reality. It's his calming voice that gets her back on her feet. The "that's my girl" keeps her going. For Vi to spend 7 years in prison being beaten, fighting for her life, and thinking that her sister is dead because of her actions, to still have such a positive image of Vander within her mind...that's powerful, and shows just how highly she really values him and his opinion to this day.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
she carries Vander with her and he is her str when she needs it
@inactive_subs
@inactive_subs 2 жыл бұрын
That scene made me cry - not only does it show how Vi Carrie’s the responsibility of everything that happens (it is her hallucination, after all) but how she really does take Vander’s lessons to heart and loves him. Such a short scene but a profoundly heartbreaking one.
@Tizjiz
@Tizjiz 2 жыл бұрын
5:37 The way Vander snuffs out VI’s attempt at making an excuse for her mistake is so real, like how a parent gets their point across to their child seriously. I wish more shows would do this.
@dinofrog926
@dinofrog926 2 жыл бұрын
didn’t even notice that. whoever is the writer should get an emmy... or whatever they’re called. a nobel price? yes.
@panda_invention1810
@panda_invention1810 2 жыл бұрын
6:21 😑
@jacksquatt6082
@jacksquatt6082 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the back and forth between Vander's pacifism and Silco's use of violence to solve problems. I got the impression that the reason Vander tried to drown Silco was tied up in that. I think that was the moment when Vander decided to make a deal for peace between the enforcers and the undercity, and Silco was having none of it, wanting to continue pushing for violent revolution. On a philosophical level, their interplay had me genuinely asking myself when is the right time to use violence to enact societal change. So many times we're told there is *never* a good time, yet so many beneficial social movements throughout history have occurred through violent means. Without it we would be trapped in an unchanging world were the existing power structures of wealth and influence continue to unfairly take advantage of a majority of the population. On the other hand, violence takes a massive toll on those involved in it, ruining or destroying lives, sometimes scarring entire generations. Also, I really liked that the lessons Vi learned permanently changed her in massive ways. After Vander's talks, she really was more thoughtful of taking responsibility for her actions as a leader. Too many shows have intense and important moments of character growth, only to just kinda' forget about how it changed the character in later episodes. And, yes, I would love another video on Vander raising Vi to be less like him verses Silco raising Powder/Jinx to be more like him.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
wonderful analysis
@goldenbrigain7031
@goldenbrigain7031 2 жыл бұрын
You could study history and politics if you want to learn when the right time to go to war is.
@lilscenechick1995
@lilscenechick1995 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything, but especially the part about character growth and *lasting impact* due to consequences. Way too many shows have character deaths, severe consequences, etc. yet the characters don't seem to change whatsoever. Of course, some people continously repeat their actions without changing, so it's not unheard of. But, when there are no lessons learned it just feels empty. Example: Jessica Jones. I loved it, and Jessica's character, but literally every single character on that show repeated the same behavior/mistakes after supposedly learning a lesson. It was super frustrating.
@jacksquatt6082
@jacksquatt6082 2 жыл бұрын
@@goldenbrigain7031 War with another country is very different than war inside your own boarders. Unfortunately, I get the feeling that the little people don't have a say in what goes on at the "level of change."
@jacksquatt6082
@jacksquatt6082 2 жыл бұрын
@@lilscenechick1995 If only all those other shows could use the "X character just fell back on bad habits." But we both know that it's due to crappy writing, unfortunately. I have only seen the first season of Jessica Jones. I really enjoyed it, but it kind of felt like a self-contained story, as if anything added to it would ruin it. Maybe the writers were just spinning their wheels.
@sharpier2283
@sharpier2283 2 жыл бұрын
I think it's extra touching when Vander realizes what the bunny means because he probably hasn't seen or thought about it in years but still recognizes it and what it means to Vi in this context right away. Great dad :( Also heck yeah to the Vander/Silco comparison video!
@chitoge7816
@chitoge7816 2 жыл бұрын
1:15 "He came onto the bridge a fighter and he left the bridge a father." Damn that hit me outta my room.
@Swampy_Hag
@Swampy_Hag 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Georgia, I really like your videos and you seem like a really nice person, just thought I’d put out a couple more details from this amazing show: Silco wears concealer and draws in his eyebrows. In the ‘rebirth’ scene with Powder/Jinx and Silco, you can even see his concealer wash off. In Jayce’s flashback you can see his mom has a couple of frostbitten fingers that turned competely black, later in the show you can see they’re replaced by mechanical fingers. Lastly, something very interesting but its more of a theory I read on reddit, everytime we see guns being fired sideways (gangster style) they miss. For example, Mylo misses all his shots in the arcade scene vs Powder, but Powder hits all her shots firing normally. What’s really intersting though is the fact that during the Ekko vs Jinx scene, Jinx fires sideways, as if trying to miss. It’s like a subconcious part of her brain is wanting her to lose the fight against her childhood friend.
@PALWolfOS
@PALWolfOS 2 жыл бұрын
Hell, Mylo hits all his shots when he aims normally
@Raven_Black_252
@Raven_Black_252 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think that's def because Jinx wanted to lose that fight. She even toggled the grenade but by letting it roll beside her, and remember those chomper grenades can bite opponenets (like the firelights she fought or Chuck the barmen). So, she misses shots on purpose but when Ekko can't bring himself to kill her, she gives that sad look with the realization that she has to do it herself. She could stick it to Ekko, but she just lets it roll beside her, giving Ekko enough time run away as she lies down there.
@HaydrogenBomb
@HaydrogenBomb 2 жыл бұрын
@@PALWolfOS Heh heh, yeah
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
Jayces fingers omg no way
@silfnix1971
@silfnix1971 2 жыл бұрын
I also enjoyed how Silco’s tie matches the academy style, and love how his clothes look like Piltover style in undercity colors
@NDJunction
@NDJunction 2 жыл бұрын
Parallel parenting from two brothers to two daughters? YES *PLEASE* . I would love to understand their different parenting styles psychologically 🤩
@MattKitten
@MattKitten 2 жыл бұрын
I think one of the most telling things about Vander's "gloves" hanging over the bar when Marcus is threatening him is the fact that he would have had to go back to the bridge to get them after bringing Vi and Powder home. To me that says he knew even then that he wasn't done fighting--not by a long shot--but perhaps what he was fighting for had changed.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
good point yes ! hah smart and protective
@silfnix1971
@silfnix1971 2 жыл бұрын
I wondered about that too, or else maybe someone else brought them to him (not nearly as impactful 😅)
@MrHendu214
@MrHendu214 2 жыл бұрын
I have a hypothesis about that. Silco brought his gauntlets back to him, before they had their confrontation. Perhaps it was the trigger for it?
@swiftrespite
@swiftrespite 2 жыл бұрын
Arcane is the only show I literally cried in the very first scene (seeing Vi break down into tears with Powder hugging her). Regarding what happened between Silco and Vander - Silco wanted to continue the rebellion but Vander wouldn't allow sacrificing more people for the cause. He knew as long as Silco had a voice in Zaun, there would be more deaths. So there was only one way to stop the rebellion and it was to kill Silco. Worst part is both are right in their own way. You can't have change without these drastic sacrifices. Vander made Silco a monster and Vi made Jinx. Will eagerly wait for the Vander/Vi and Silco/Jinx dichotomy vid!
@clownzzz4837
@clownzzz4837 2 жыл бұрын
Ever see the movie, "Up"? I sat in the theater and cried like a baby. :)
@HexQuesTT
@HexQuesTT 2 жыл бұрын
Disagree that Vi made Jinx, despite what Jinx says, Vi did everything she possibly could for Powder
@govind.m86
@govind.m86 2 жыл бұрын
@@HexQuesTT Doesn't matter. Jinx was made the moment Vi said "Because you're a Jinx. Mylo was right." In one fell swoop Powder lost the one source of affirmation she always clung onto.
@tomvyt956
@tomvyt956 2 жыл бұрын
@@govind.m86 I think that's especially true because these are the last words vi ever says to Powder, so the thought could easily fester over time while under the influence of Silco
@sakurap95
@sakurap95 2 жыл бұрын
Vi keeping her word speaks on how much Vander has impacted her shape as a person. She looks up to this man so much that certain mannerisms and ways of thinking are imprinted on her. Even her red jacket is reminiscent of Vander’s brown jacket.
@VillagerCometh
@VillagerCometh 2 жыл бұрын
Wait I noticed how at 14:50 Vander takes Vi to where they met, so that she could reconsider her intentions. On the other hand, Silco takes Jinx to a place where he was drowned to make her lose her doubts and trauma. The two had opposite intentions but both are places that massively impacted their lives and changed their views, both with the same hope in their hearts, to provide what was best for someone they cared for.
@novaadstrum5730
@novaadstrum5730 2 жыл бұрын
I think that part of the reason why Vander's trying to help Vi think about the consequences of her actions and learn how to solve problems in ways other than fighting, isn't just because he saw his former self in her, but saw who Silco was becoming in her. When Vi asked him "Since when did you get so comfortable living in someone else's shadow?" Vander said he heard that kind of talk before, and she wanted to fight for the same things as Silco, as she says when she vents about how she doesn't understand how Vander chose to negotiate with the oppressive Enforcers who only kill, imprison, and continue to serve Piltover's interests that involve depriving them of stable shelters, food, clean water, air, education, career opportunities, and a life in general where nobody has to worry about that or compromise their morals codes for survival, she said she wanted Powder to have a better life with these things and was willing to fight for it. In the past Silco and Vander fought for these things, but fell apart when Vander wanted to protect his fellow Zaunites from Enforcers by eventually choosing protection and negotiations over the constant bloodshed. All these talks with Vi definitely felt essential to have because those regrets about what he did and didn't do with Silco are very strong for him.
@karolherman6715
@karolherman6715 2 жыл бұрын
well Silco and Vander were really similar, even Silco understood that after realising that his dream was in the reach of his hand but he'd have to sacrifice his daughter, Jinx. The show became "human" after Silco visiting Vander's statue scene. I really recomend watching flying walrus film about that. Sorry if I slaughtered english, it's my 2nd language
@mekkor8896
@mekkor8896 2 жыл бұрын
Silco believed that in order to get the nation of Zaun, lives had to be sacrificed along the way. But Vander’s different. I think he believes that if he loses all of these lives along the way, what is he even fighting for?
@silfnix1971
@silfnix1971 2 жыл бұрын
@@karolherman6715 I watched that video and appreciated that take~
@GoonHandz
@GoonHandz 2 жыл бұрын
i am so glad that you mentioned that silco kidnapped vander in order to try to bring him back to silco’s side. i don’t think most people get this point. it was kind of subtle and i totally agree with your take. silco wanted to show his big brother the new plan he was hatching in the hopes of enlisting vander. silco basically says “we couldn’t win, until now; what do you say??”
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
agreed !
@sakurap95
@sakurap95 2 жыл бұрын
Vi taking down her bunny toy from the wires is symbolic of her growing up from the young child she said she was in her story. She is tall enough and strong enough to get her toy back. The act of her giving the bunny to Powder is symbolic of what she thinks may be her final act as a big sister. Imparting some final wisdom. After Vi and Vander have their conversation on the bridge, Vi realizes Vander might not be able to solve this one. He said he would take care of it before, but now he still hasn’t come up with an answer. And if he can’t come up with a solution, then Vi feels that it does fall on her shoulders. Vi takes Vander’s lesson to heart and is ready to give herself up in order to protect her family. When Vander sees the bunny, he remembers it used to be Vi’s, and he puts the two together that Vi gave this bunny to Powder because she is going to turn herself over. So yes, Vi is like Vander in his worst ways (from his past) but also in his best ways (the leader he grew to be).
@sunflowerice
@sunflowerice 2 жыл бұрын
okay, most interesting part because it´s new perspective I received: that he used to give her a drink when she was upset and that by solely watching her reaction and the bunny, that he knew what was up with Vi :D I often hear that he didn´t put that much attention on Powder as he did on Vi, but this shows that he knows her well, too^^ But I get why he´s putting so much effort in teaching Vi, not only because she´s the oldest, but because she´s so much like him. Btw yes please Vander&Vi and Silco&Jinx parallels analysis *__*
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I will do this for sure. And makes sense why he cared so much to teach her better
@BlizzardofKnives
@BlizzardofKnives 2 жыл бұрын
Also, if Vi goes down the wrong path, she'll take others with her.
@silfnix1971
@silfnix1971 2 жыл бұрын
I also have seen comments about Vander not giving as much attention to Powder, but I didn’t get that impression at all! (Besides, by that metric he doesn’t talk to the boys much either, and nobody makes that point). I felt, one again, the writers were using their economy of time well by showing us that scene without words, as opposed to slowing it down with dialogue. I can still appreciate that Powder probably didn’t get *as much* attention as Vi, but I wouldn’t use that once scene as evidence to say he neglected her.
@BlizzardofKnives
@BlizzardofKnives 2 жыл бұрын
@@silfnix1971 I suspect the negligent Vander angle comes from a section of the fanbase who want to diminish Powders’ responsibility for her later actions.
@DoctorAzmain
@DoctorAzmain 2 жыл бұрын
I love your Arcane analyses! Vander is one of my favourite characters - a father figure and leader who's made tragic mistakes and yet always wants the best for those around him. Can't wait to get stuck into this one 😊
@HK-gm8pe
@HK-gm8pe 2 жыл бұрын
I see Vander a little differently...I dont see him as a good guy at all , but I come from a country that was oppressed and our people were suffering not as much as in Zaun but it was also very bad....and the reason why we were occuied and oppressed for over 40 years is because of country was full of Vander like people , Vander isnt doing anything horrible when he raises his kids but his problem is his inability to act at all, people in his city are dying from toxic air and are being oppressed and his answer is to do nothing, all characters in Arcane are complex but almost they all wish the best for the characters that are around them
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
interesting yes I see him as tragic
@Makjaoiuewhxkjs
@Makjaoiuewhxkjs 2 жыл бұрын
@@HK-gm8pe But he did act and we can see its effects and the very beginning of the show. He accomplished nothing they just lost and ppl died. After such a crushing defeat no wonder he gave up.
@HK-gm8pe
@HK-gm8pe 2 жыл бұрын
@@Makjaoiuewhxkjs I understand, I play lol, I collectcomic books and I love leagues lore .. ofourse I understand but I am just from Estonia...eastern europe, my country has been conquered by everybody in europe basically...thats why htis show is soo unique...beacsue we all see this differently... I just live in the place where I have understood that sometimes it is necessary to fight....just because you dont wnt your nation to be destroyed....Stalin tried to genocide estonians by sending us to Siberian gulags...my great gradnparents were even sent there.... thats why I see this show differently....I am just born in the lace where we had to always fight so that we couldnt go extinct .... but I understandthat yes....ofcourse its hard to lose people you love...I havelost my husband...my best friend died 1 month ago near Kharkiv in Ukraine.... I have lost sooo many people thanks to war but I believethat sometimes we have to make some sacrifices, my nation would be extonct right now if we would have continued acting lik Vander.... sometimes you need to stand up for yourself, othwerwise my nation would have been destroyed...world is sooo big and I dont know where you live but every part of the world s different and different problems need different solutions
@HK-gm8pe
@HK-gm8pe 2 жыл бұрын
@@Makjaoiuewhxkjs but yes...dont think thatI havent lost anybody....you have no idea, I have lostsoooooo many people I just think thatyou live in other country.... so you have different opinion because your country probably hasnt been ocupied for hundreds of yearsso you dont know that sometimes w need to make sacrifices just that our nation would survive....google Estonia and maybe you understand a little bit more... you probably ven havent heard of Estonia :D but yes we were oppressed, killed and deported to concentration camp just liek jews only that nobody cared about us
@shotaackerman2829
@shotaackerman2829 2 жыл бұрын
Vander: we crossed that bridge once before... Georgia: *quite literally-*
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
ehehehehe happy you noticed that
@silver9wolf6
@silver9wolf6 2 жыл бұрын
Haha, yeah that made me giggle 😁
@BlizzardofKnives
@BlizzardofKnives 2 жыл бұрын
Well, he tried to...
@Legion19911009
@Legion19911009 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a Silco/Vander video! Their relationship with one another is the foundation of so much of Vi and Powder’s relationship and personalities. It’s clear there’s so much history and nuance with Silco and Vander it definitely deserves its own video!
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
okay =)
@The_Story_Of_Us
@The_Story_Of_Us 2 жыл бұрын
Vander is one of the greatest mentor-type characters I’ve seen in a while. There are lots of fantastic father-figure characters in fiction, especially recently I would say. But as a mentor, I love that this role is something he’s had to struggle with since before we even meet him in the show and the things he learns are from lived experience. He got to be a mentor and a leader to the people of the undercity, fed up with the suffering and injustice they have to put up with and ready to lead them personally to war to give them a better future. But then he sees the destruction that he visits upon people around him, he knew Vi, Powder, Mylo and Claggor from before, he was friends with their parents, and he led them to their deaths, leaving them orphaned and alone. And here’s what I think makes him such a good mentor figure: it’s that his growth, his epiphany that he needs to care for his people without putting them in harm’s way, blinded by his anger for what’s been done to them, it’s motivated by real emotion, guilt, not just by rationality. And he tries his best to communicate that to his people, that they need to care for each other above all else because topside sure as hell won’t, and he forms this attachment to Vi especially, because he sees her walking in his footsteps and has to stop her from repeating his mistakes and feeling the same guilt he has to carry every day. His first scene after the opening, he’s standing up for a random trencher against bullies, one of his people (he even knows his name) and no violence occurs, he reprimands the bullies for their behavior, pushing them to honor their word and subtly telling one of them “You’ll learn to love it.” in a double entendres referring to both his nasty tobacco and the way of life he cultivates in the undercity, this sense of community he has dedicated his life to fostering. It’s not perfect, they’re getting nowhere, but that’s politics, politics is complicated, but his sense of right and wrong, the moral obligations he knows he has towards his community, those are clear to him. And before tragedy strikes, he is willing to give up his life, his relationship with his family and community to keep them safe. And even in his final scene, Silco tests him so hard, he has to take the Shimmer and destroy himself, become an animal, the hound of the underground (wink wink for League of Legends fans), and even with his mind raging on shimmer, ready to rip Silco’s head off for what he did to his family, he chooses to protect Vi. And that’s where you see that all those hard won lessons, his growth, he wasn’t just doing it because he was scared to fight or guilty, but because he knows in his heart that he has to do it, because it’s the right thing to do. In his final words asking his daughter to take care of her sister. His true final act was to guide Vi to make better choices than he did, a mentor.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for this wonderful analysis
@Flufferz626
@Flufferz626 2 жыл бұрын
Parents want to make the best for their kids and in the effort sometimes sculpt them into making the same mistakes. Even if they don't want to. It's an endless cycle. Pretty much every mother or father comes to realize this in Arcane.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
yes they do
@amberyoungblood714
@amberyoungblood714 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pausing this at 6 minutes in because my 9 year old heard what you were saying and wants to watch all your Arcane videos with me. I am seriously in love with the depth of the characters in this show and how each person might do terrible things, but they all do have souls that care about something very deeply. I am going to enjoy my daughter hearing your perspective on that and thinking more deeply about what makes this show so wonderful.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
that's adorable. Let them know I say Hi =)
@silfnix1971
@silfnix1971 2 жыл бұрын
Would you be willing to share a follow up to this experience? I hope it went well
@amberyoungblood714
@amberyoungblood714 2 жыл бұрын
@Silfnix my nine year old has watched all of these Arcane videos and honestly loved listening to her perspective on the characters inner struggles. We had a few deep conversations after these about how Arcane shows some truths about serious issues that actual humans deal with, like loss, power, weakness, loneliness, etc. My 6 year old also watched all of her Encanto videos because she swears Georgia is Pepa from the movie, and she watched all of them very intently and I think a lot really sunk in in a different way than she had thought about the movie previously.
@damobeck1
@damobeck1 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of people miss Vander's fear, when he is lecturing Vi. "It just makes m-more of them."
@LangkeeLongkee
@LangkeeLongkee 2 жыл бұрын
Something I will say that I think people skirt over is when Vander says "whatever happens it's on you". Yes as the adults we can look at this and understand he's trying to teach her that as a leader she needs to be responsible, but as you yourself say she is a child and to her, still, everything is straight forward. "It's on you." And Vi takes that to heart. It struck me immediately as an older sibling myself, with a mother who did hold me responsible for even her own faults (and also pursuing a career in Psychotherapy, gang gang). A child needs a parent because children aren't even FULLY responsible for themselves at the end of the day, so she truly cannot be fully responsible for what happens to other kids. Yes, to an extent she is liable for leading them but she is too young to see that nuance, to her that means it's ALL her fault. They show this, she blames herself for everything that happened from the the moment she learns this, she wants to fight for something better for Powder cause it's on her, she wants to give herself up for everyone cause it's on her, she toils for years in jail and throughout the events of Acts 2 and 3 cause everything that happened to Powder, to Ekko, to everyone, is on her. When she shows that she takes responsibility Ekko says to her "that's a good way to send yourself crazy" and it's true. Vi is damaged in her own way, a lot of us don't see it because she's clearly not as manic as Jinx, but she has her own issues. And while I don't blame Vander, similar to Silco, the things he says to his daughter, he was trying to guide her in what he thought was best but ultimately didn't see how those words scarred. While we do recognize Vander as a good man, and we can love him for what he did, but people tend to ignore that just like every other character in the series, he has flaws and made mistakes. But we love him all the same.
@Casper8855
@Casper8855 Жыл бұрын
Vander took in two girls (and later two boys) who were orphaned because of his actions, being indirectly responsible for Vi and Powder no longer having parents. He accepts his role in their deaths, makes protecting his children his new mission and openly talks about his mistakes with his children (or Vi at least from what we see), wanting them to be better and not make the mistakes he made. His focus is on them staying together as a family and looking out for each other, even with his dying breath. Silco orphans a girl and refuses to accept any responsibility. Instead he twists certain truths and and straight-up lies about other facts to turn this girl against her family and make her dependent on him. He gloats about this to her surviving family member Vi ('I freed her, I thought you were the price of your second hand family, but Jinx is so much more') and mocks her lack of strength, claiming that is why Vander died and what 'drove he sister away'. Drove her away, not 'you left her' as he often tells Jinx, thus showing he is constantly lying and manipulating her about the loss of her family, refusing to accept any guilt on his part. And people have a hard time deciding which parenting method is better. Silco has as much right as calling the girl he orphaned and planned to kill his 'daughter', as my shit does at claiming to smell sweet. Candidly, I think my shit would stand a better chance in court.
@Aceries_
@Aceries_ 2 жыл бұрын
Their relationship is a very interesting dynamic that begs the question of: What is most important? Is it giving people the potential for freedom and more, even at the risk of suffering and death? Or is it keeping people safe and protecting life at all costs, even at the cost of freedom and a better life? Personally, I would side with Vander because I am more of a protector and nurturer but I can understand Silco's perspective. Its interesting how this is also reflected in Vi and Jinx. Vi wants to protect because of Vander's influence and of how much she fears losing Powder, even metaphorically. Jinx doesn't necessarily care about Silco's vision. It's apparent with how much she rolls her eyes at his speeches. I think what Jinx gets most out of Silco's perspective is the potential to be more than just the "jinx" and prove herself. A world like Silco's is much more conducive to that saying of "we will show them all". To helping Jinx protect herself from the threat of being replaceable and abandoned.
@Poppinion
@Poppinion 2 жыл бұрын
Can we get a parenting style video? It really feels like heimerdinger Vander and silco were the main parents of this show and their approaches to their children/students really produced such colorful children and stories.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
that would be a good video
@SeyhawksNow
@SeyhawksNow 2 жыл бұрын
These arcane videos brought me to your channel! The fact that you, a trained professional, can take time to analyze these characters says so much about the writing
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
it is an amazing show start to finish
@shipmaster101
@shipmaster101 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I would love a video comparing Silco and Vander as father figures, that deserves 20-25 minutes at least
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
At least
@SeyhawksNow
@SeyhawksNow 2 жыл бұрын
The analysis made me realize the parallels of Vander/ Silcos relationship and Vi/Jinx's more, too! Both Silco and Jinx create a weapon to be used against the Topside, and Vi and Vander go to extreme measures to ensure its not used, even going so far as to work with Topsiders to stop it. It's those direct actions that lead to Jinx and Silco feeling betrayed the most, and which lead to the final confrontations.
@TukaihaHithlec
@TukaihaHithlec Жыл бұрын
I like how Vander was willing to fight and sacrifice himself to help his followers, but they died following him while he was strong enough to survive. It’s counterintuitive but very realistic.
@chelbanna
@chelbanna 2 жыл бұрын
Vander essentially warned Vi about the entire plot of the rest of the show in the few episodes he was alive. He wanted her to learn to negotiate instead of fight because things get out of hand. He wanted her to take care of the people around her and think about how her behavior can cause violent ripples if she herself chooses violence instead of listening to the world around her. However, she remains so stuck in her ideals and her head that they constantly come to war with her over Powder/Jinx. She lost her temper, she hit Powder, so Jinx was born. She tries to negotiate but her words don't work because she doesn't think about what Jinx is thinking or try to see her perspective, which repeatedly throws Jinx further off the deep end and begets more violence from Jinx's instability. "She could lose her sister if she did anything too rash, if she didn't think it through properly." And so she did.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
Truth
@Everythingbutcarp
@Everythingbutcarp 2 жыл бұрын
I’m hyped to see how Vander turns out in Season 2 as Warwick.
@benjaminszatmari4714
@benjaminszatmari4714 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love Vander, he is one of my favorites. JB Blank’s voice acting gives a lot of warmth, pain and texture to his character. Vander’s role is very archetypical, he is a broken man who wants to escape violence and war and tries to solve everything with peace but his hesitation is his doomfall. You can’t escape your destiny. He reminds me a lot on Thors, Thorfinns’s father from Vinland saga. A former Jomsviking infamous for his ferocity and mercilessness on the battlefield. Not long after the birth of his firstborn daughter he decides he escapes the cycle of violence by faking his own death. He Settles down and later his second child, his son, Thorfinn is born. Eventually his former brothers-in-arms tricking him into an ambush and gets assassinated by pirates. At the end he fights valiantly but because of his injuries he dies. The lesson is that no matter how hard you try you can’t give up. I can relate to Vander because I do seek tranquility in my life but I can not escape certain things from my life. I have to keep going. Everyone has to. Keep fighting the good fight!
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
he does a wonderful job in voice acting for sure
@georgesamsara18
@georgesamsara18 2 жыл бұрын
I wanted to comment that I love Arcane, it reminds me of my life, I am an orphan, I identify myself too much as Vi, when you made an analysis of it I was shocked, I also have to comment that my uncle is like Vander Totally, he is a father to me.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
so happy you have a vander in your life
@georgesamsara18
@georgesamsara18 2 жыл бұрын
@@GeorgiaDow Thank you ❤️
@darius0683
@darius0683 2 жыл бұрын
This therapist is the best!
@damianstarks3338
@damianstarks3338 2 жыл бұрын
I know that is why I subscribed to her channel !
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
aww
@damianstarks3338
@damianstarks3338 2 жыл бұрын
@@GeorgiaDow your welcome you do the best character analysis.
@darius0683
@darius0683 2 жыл бұрын
@@GeorgiaDow no problem I’ll always watch you
@tomburns7544
@tomburns7544 2 жыл бұрын
I love how you break down so much of this story and characters so thoroughly. Arcane is such unexpectedly great storytelling and your analyses do a great job highlighting the brilliant writing. Thank you!
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
thank you
@WaywardVet
@WaywardVet 2 жыл бұрын
Survivor's guilt is real, but it can make a man better. Vander definitely became a better man. By far my favorite character.
@merrril
@merrril 2 жыл бұрын
There's so much parallels in this show, so I can imagine that when Vander says "This kids look up to you... You say light a fire, they show up with oil. But whatever happens, it's on you", and as he struggles with Grayson's offer to turn someone in, it's actually might be a parallel of what actually could happen in his past with Silco (and, maybe, some other teenagers). I can imagine, they did something very wrong, that cost people lives, yet scared the topsiders, so people of the Lanes got a bit more freedom (and so Silco realised this sort of violence is the key to his nation's freedom, as he's saying twice in Act 1), and Vander was in charge of actions of his younger friends, yet could betrayed Silco by giving him in to the angry crowd (or enforcers?) who wanted to find who's responcible for their friends and families deaths ("I trusted you, and you betrayed me" part). And end up murdering his brother himself due to the deaths he caused, not with his knife, but the way people usually drowns puppies and kittens, cause they can't handle seeing the blood of their loved ones (much less violent parallel with Vi punching her sister when she realised that her family's dead because of Powder). These are pure speculations from my side, and yet, hmmm 🤔
@anonymousfellow8879
@anonymousfellow8879 2 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see videos analyzing the Mentors and their Proteges of Arcane (Vander and Vi, Silco and Jinx, Viktor and that mad scientist (forget his name). I’d put Grayson and Caitlyn here too, except there’s really only a single (but formative) scene of them interacting-it’s closet to Jayce seeing a mage saving his and his mother’s life with magic.) But, also seconding a video specific to Vi vs others’ relationships with Vi.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
Grayson and Caitlyn nice one
@ShyyCrow
@ShyyCrow 2 жыл бұрын
this is easily my favorite series on your channel! arcane is such an amazing show. and i would love to see a video on the parallels of vi & vander & jinx & silco. i feel like theres a lot to unpack there
@joelaroche8103
@joelaroche8103 3 ай бұрын
1:16 that was so well saied that i quoted it in the official intro (having your word + the dramatic music is just bone chilling for some reason)
@ArtificiallyIdiotic
@ArtificiallyIdiotic 14 күн бұрын
i really love how, unlike most shows you end up analysing, arcane is so full of artistry you can read them bylooking at other things other than the characters themselves. you can read them by camera angle, by objects associated with them, by the cadence of the scene.
@VenhedisKaffas
@VenhedisKaffas 2 жыл бұрын
If there's anything I want to see in season 2 it's more memories between Powder and Vander and also definitely what happened between Silco and Vander. Something must have happened that wasn't just "I'll betray you for power" because Vander sees himself in Vi and Vi at 16 doesn't seem like the kind of person to stab someone in the back either. More like, something happened and rage took over. Or it was an act of protection, to protect someone else. Maybe, because Silco compares himself to Powder/Jinx a lot, Silco also has something on his conscious and Vander reacted in the only way he was taught to react, the same way Vi reacted to Powder in episode 3. As for the Powder/Vander memories, I never connected the dots of decorations on the cup + Powder = Powder's cup so now I just want to see more of that. He definitely took extra care of Vi because of their similarities and Powder definitely connected more with Silco for the same reasons. But there was definitely still a fatherly bond between Powder and Vander that I really want to see a little bit.
@DawnRego
@DawnRego 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic analysis of Vander, Georgia! You showed all the good, the bad, and the ugly of being a true leader. I always remember Vander's words that he gave to Vi: "Whatever happens, it's on you." I also didn't even notice the parallels between Vander/Vi and Silco/Jinx until you mentioned it. :D Thank you for the video!
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dawn it was such fun and I love they show the grey in us all
@artboymoy
@artboymoy 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, Georgia. Vander was such an influence on Vi and he was shaping her to be a leader. Vander's Prodigy as Silco put it. I honestly think Vander should have let Vi turn herself in, but I guess he was overly protective and emotional to let her do it, not fully realizing in Grayson's words that the safety the lanes had would all fall apart without him there. I love Vander's and Powders interaction too. I get the feeling that Powder doesn't look at Vander as a parent. I think Vi definetly fills that role. But the scene is just gold. No words needed. Keep the Arcane vids coming!
@none-pr4zm
@none-pr4zm 2 жыл бұрын
I have had bad days. And perhaps I feel vulnerable at the moment so when I see your video, I feel somehow conforted. Thank you.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
happy it helped
@snowm1836
@snowm1836 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing analyses! We don’t get much of Vander in the show so I’m really happy that he can still be analyzed and to be able to get an in-depth look into his character and personality💖 And amazing cosplay as always💖😄
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much
@cazory2147
@cazory2147 2 жыл бұрын
Vander the Maker of Villains. Thank you for another great Arcane video and I hope you keep making more of them. Your analysis on the different characters is very rewarding to watch, and this show has really well crafted-complex characters. As such, Vander is one of those complex characters. On the surface level, he is the Protector/Morale/Father figure (usually destined to be sacrificed in service of a Protagonist); however, there is so much more going on. He is flawed and made some serious mistakes; however, these are very subtle yet have made huge impacts to this story. The most obvious (non-subtle) is his betrayal and creation of Silco as a villain; however, there is a parallel being show here in that he also created Jinx as a villain (much more subtle). Vander betraying/failing Silco is explained in about a minute total screen time. The visual of trying to drown Silco with some "brothers in a cause" dialogue. Got it, and easy for an audience to understand. Vander betraying/failing Powder is explained visually only and drawn out throughout the first act in small little nuggets. Much easier for an audience to miss. Chronological examples... The Bridge - The opening scene is from Powder's point-of-view. All the white scratch line overlays when she sees the Enforcers and dead bodies is her mental breakdown from witnessing this trauma. Those lines continue throughout the entire show. Emotionally, Jinx never left the Old Cannery (why the season finale takes place there, and I think you pointed that out); however, Mentally, Powder never left that bridge. And Vander is unfortunately to blame by... Neglect - Powder and Vander never have a on-screen conversation together. He only ever says a single word to her "From?", and even that single word interaction has nothing to do with Vander and Powder's relationship. The bar/bunny/drink scene is set to music to avoid showing Vander and Powder having a conversation. This was all done by design to show how Vander is fueling Powders mental problems of fear of abandonment, fear of acceptance, fear of worthiness.. such as.. The Door - When Vander tells the kids to leave so he can talk to Vi, Powder pauses for a split second to look at Vander and Vi before closing the door. Initial understanding would be that Powder is worried about her Sister getting into trouble with Vander; however, it much more includes the fact that Powder is seeing Vander spending so much more time focused on being a father to Vi's needs... such as... The Bunny & The Drink - When Vander does his usual Fatherly comforting routine of giving Powder her drink and it doesn't work, he of course becomes concerned; however, before he can actually engage in any meaningful conversation about her mental state, he sees the Bunny and his Fatherly concern immediately switches from Powder to Vi. Just another subtle example of the neglect. Two Different Daughters - Vi is Vander (won't repeat all your excellent examples), and as such he can easily be a Father to her. Drawing on his own experiences to guide her. How Vander can properly be a good Father to Powder just isn't in his wheelhouse of understanding. He doesn't know how to properly care for a person with so many mental/emotional/fear problems. As such Powder never left that Bridge, never learned to properly cope with trauma, never learned emotional/mental strength, never learned to properly deal with/be prepared for future hardships (teasing/loss/etc.). Powder was never given the chance/guidance to not become Jinx. If the events in Episode 3 never happened, there would have been some other later trauma in her life to push her over the edge. Vander is a good person, and he never intentionally neglected Powder; however, neglect is still neglect - intentional or not. Just another great complex yet flawed character (who unfortunately did create the biggest threat to this story and peace). But peace is boring! :p P.S. Jinx saying Vi created Jinx is because she is always going to blame whatever catalyst trauma pushed her over the edge. Say for example Episode 3 didn't happen and Powder later in life found a love interest, and that love interested caused a perceived catalyst trauma, she would say that person created Jinx. Because her unresolved mental trauma from the Bridge is always there just waiting to blow up!
@nallash905
@nallash905 2 жыл бұрын
Of course we do want another Vander and Silco analysis! Another great episode, thank you for putting so much heart into these ❤️
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
@mochoppowade7531
@mochoppowade7531 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! Looking forward to the one about Vander and Silco. I never even realized that Vander is trying to help Vi be better than him, where Silco wants Jinx to be him. Your analysis is always enlightening
@МарияСизова-г9м
@МарияСизова-г9м 2 жыл бұрын
They both want their daughters to be better than them. The opposite thing is that Vander does not want Vi to choose the same path as he did while Silco honestly thinks that the same path he walked is the best way for her to become free and powerful. They both care and they both offer their life's knowledge to those kids.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much
@LaineyKismet
@LaineyKismet 2 жыл бұрын
"He came onto the bridge as a fighter, and he left as a father." Damn. You just had to make me cry immediately 😭
@sarairicard8283
@sarairicard8283 2 жыл бұрын
I love how you really understand the characters! Also, love the cosplays of the characters you react to!
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
thank you this one I think I ddi pretty good on
@teebo2085
@teebo2085 2 жыл бұрын
AHHH, I'm so excited for Vander & Vi, Silco & Jinx parrallels!!
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
me too
@jetismaili6391
@jetismaili6391 2 жыл бұрын
These characters on the show are the best i've seen in any animation movie....really!....so "human" and relatable to real life....so fragile and easy to empathize with Love this type of content from georgia who really is the best with her cosplays and her really emotional and precise words to analize and get to understand more of these beautifully written characters.....Really looking forward for the next video!
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much
@BunnysBadHabit
@BunnysBadHabit 2 жыл бұрын
I greatly appreciate that in every one of these videos you try to match the style of the character. Thank you for your videos!
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@v.ndeadd
@v.ndeadd 2 жыл бұрын
I love that watching your videos allows me to rewatch Arcane in the perspective of one character.
@Kore_Cir
@Kore_Cir 2 жыл бұрын
I'd really love it if we would get more insight into the relationship of Silco and Vander before the fight on the bridge took place. What their personalities were like and why Vander tried to drown him later. Would add even more detail to their characters. Hopefully there'll be some flashbacks in season 2.
@natmontero3705
@natmontero3705 2 жыл бұрын
I love how this show was able to start debates where both sides have good points of view. It shows how humans nature is. Also I love your analysis of the series 🥰🥰
@bellamydoucette9530
@bellamydoucette9530 2 жыл бұрын
Poor Vander has so much more suffering ahead of him. He doesn't get the sweet release of death, instead he continues living as a bloodthirsty monster who has lost itself completely into wrath and pain
@Kore_Cir
@Kore_Cir 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully so. Not because I'd want him to suffer, but I'd like to have him back.
@kristiyangrigorov5232
@kristiyangrigorov5232 2 жыл бұрын
@@Kore_Cir oh you will see him in season 2 as Warwick
@hieronymusboss7705
@hieronymusboss7705 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if you could even argue it's truly Vander anymore. If he actually died, then Warwick is just a reanimated corpse basically, with sporadic memories but an identity all his own, and perhaps the question will become whether he can regain any of that humanity or if he's truly a mockery of the old Vander, doomed to stalk Zaun in bloodlust. Almost like a Wolverine kind of arc, where he's trying to regain his memory from before Weapon X. I haven't played LoL, but I'm psyched to see how they work Warwick into Season 2.
@rylace
@rylace 2 жыл бұрын
"It happened with the monster that he created," I appreciate what you did there.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
Happy you noticed =)) was assuming no one would
@cynthiameyers7529
@cynthiameyers7529 2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting how both Vi and Jinx are carrying on the legacy of their respective fathers. Both Silco and Vander saw themselves reflected in their children and they, in turn, revered them to the point of carrying out the war against one another long after both men are dead. Loved the jacket, by the way! The analysis of Vander's parenting and influence on Vi was spot on.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
thanks =)
@muffinlamp
@muffinlamp 2 жыл бұрын
can i just say how much i love that you match your outfits to what character you’re talking about??
@NeilSchnepf
@NeilSchnepf 2 жыл бұрын
As a writer and storyteller, I've loved all of your videos exploring the motivations of, and interactions between, such fascinating, multi-layered characters! Would definitely enjoy a video comparing the arcs of Vander and Silco!
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
thanks =)
@grey29825
@grey29825 2 жыл бұрын
This video is so good! Vander is one of my absolute favorite characters and I think his relationship with Vi is so caring and real. I’m really hoping in season 2 we find out more about what caused the rift between vander and Silco, despite them both being dead. I would also love love love to see a video comparing Vi and Vander and Jinx and Silco.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
yay
@sanobr318
@sanobr318 2 жыл бұрын
"despite them both being dead" Yeeeaaah,... about that... 😅
@aleheatherx7992
@aleheatherx7992 2 жыл бұрын
Another cool symbolic thing about vander and his character is that the name vander means ‘family of’ and ‘good man’ which I think adds so much more depth to his character and what he represents
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
nice i didnt know that
@akashsandhu2931
@akashsandhu2931 2 жыл бұрын
"He came onto the bridge a fighter and he left the bridge a father" OH MY GOD THATS A FIRE LINE
@maryelitherrera5993
@maryelitherrera5993 2 жыл бұрын
Yesss, I want to watch that video of the parallels between Vander and Silco's parenthoods. I think Vander didn't want Vi to become like him because he thought that would make her reckless, but in Silco's case, since he thought that he used to be weak and that being weak was the reason why he was hurt by the person he trusted the most, he wanted to make sure it didn't happen again to him nor to Jinx, and in order to prevent it to happen to her, he needs her to be more like him, more like the version of himself that survived almost being drowned to death
@reaperandyel
@reaperandyel 2 жыл бұрын
I think Vander asking everyone out of the room in order to talk to Vi is because Vi is the leader of the group and she's gonna be on guard when those three are around (which is also why she kept talking back to Vander).
@HaydrogenBomb
@HaydrogenBomb 2 жыл бұрын
Already one of the best father/mentor characters ever written. Vander's last stand is probably my favorite scene in the show.
@jamess.2491
@jamess.2491 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Would love to see a solo Silco video, thought he was maybe the most complex and flawed character in the show and he definitely deserves his own video!
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
i think so also
@baldguy5941
@baldguy5941 2 жыл бұрын
Analysis of different ways that Vander & Silco taking care of Vi & Jinx? Oh boii, I can't wait to see that Your films are so goddamn good :D
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
thank you !!
@cazory2147
@cazory2147 2 жыл бұрын
Again, re-watch the first 3 episodes and see the Powder/Vander interactions. It's Father Figure neglect 101, wish I could explain more, but my previous detailed explanations got KZbin spam flagged. It's a clever dynamic of villain creation many people miss. Both for Silco and Jinx.
@lofilivewire5693
@lofilivewire5693 2 жыл бұрын
As a trauma kid bringing up my own child in 8 months, this helps. Yes, I'm an adult now. But I still have no idea what I should do to raise my own child. I want to do my best, but now that I have an idea on how to, I feel more comfortable being vulnerable to my own child. To show them humanity comes before leadership.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
So beautifully said and congratulations on your new little one.
@lofilivewire5693
@lofilivewire5693 2 жыл бұрын
@@GeorgiaDow Thank you very much. I might want to start taking steps towards therapy so I can do my best for my wife & child.
@joeyc.9622
@joeyc.9622 2 жыл бұрын
It is getting crazy how much I look forward to your perspectives!
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
oh yay
@DaniReacts13
@DaniReacts13 2 жыл бұрын
"He came onto the bridge a fighter and he left the bridge a father" Georgia why are you making me cry already? The video is just starting! Vander is one of my favorite Arcane characters, thank you so much for doing this! All of your videos are so great and enlightening.
@DaniReacts13
@DaniReacts13 2 жыл бұрын
P.S: YES, we want to see a video about the parallels between Vander/Vi and Silco/Jinx, please!
@OldManBenjen
@OldManBenjen 2 жыл бұрын
The video I've been waiting so long for! I figured Vander would be last or not get one at all since...well, reasons. But the weight of his presence is felt throughout the show! Thank you. I really like how Silco clutching Jinx on the bridge and taking her to safety solidifying his fatherly role to her runs parallel to Vander picking up the girls and leaving that same bridge years beforehand as a new father himself.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
yes Silco also left that bridge as a father
@OldManBenjen
@OldManBenjen 2 жыл бұрын
@@GeorgiaDow ahh I was so eager to comment I hadn't even finished your video and of course you caught it! Thank you for this series! Would definitely like to see a parenting focused video :)
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
I will try to do that one as well
@bigboyart1
@bigboyart1 2 жыл бұрын
It's so interesting that, in order to create Zaun, Silko destroyed the real Zaun to try and achieve it.
@baphomeat
@baphomeat 3 ай бұрын
I'd be interested to see a break down in his return for Season 2. Warwick... the monster he becomes... has a very interesting dichotomy in him. He is still very much Vander, the father of Vi and Powder. He cares for Zaun. He loves his city... but at the same time Shimmer has made him a monster both in mind and body. If the existing League quotes for Warwick (who was reworked during the production of Season 1 to fit this role... so likely to fit into who Vander is going to become) has several interesting lines. "Can't Save them all... don't want too." (His voice grows heavy and gravely on the 'don't want too' and is softer spoken on the 'can't save them all'). "The blood you spilled brought me here." "The memories come back everytime you scream." "What have you done!" (while he smells blood on someone else. This line is delivered like actual concern). So with the character as a guide... I think there is some pretty interesting stuff to be said on addiction, trauma, and conditioning. Vander is still very much within Warwick... but the beast is trying to get rid of him. "The man I was... I killed him first."
@javascriptsophie4958
@javascriptsophie4958 2 жыл бұрын
Vi is the sweet caring caretaker side of Vander and Jinx is the inner monster side
@TheShockwave1138
@TheShockwave1138 2 жыл бұрын
Oh oh oh!! We've gotta get a video to analyze Marcus! Such a complex character, taking what could have been a stereotype, and giving him so much more depth and nuance!
@lumineuse
@lumineuse 2 жыл бұрын
Ohhh I was rewatching Arcane and was like "oh it would be so good to have the relation between Vander and Silco analysed by Georgia Dow" and didn't even thought of just Vander. Also still loving your cosplays.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
Yay thanks
@wodredow
@wodredow 2 жыл бұрын
This was so well done, as all you previous work. I hope you might do the character of Greyson as well! Bravo
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
I think I will
@wodredow
@wodredow 2 жыл бұрын
@@GeorgiaDow Yeah! :)
@George_M_
@George_M_ 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, do Grayson. It's great to see a depiction of the difficulty of achieving peace at the ground level.
@alex4833
@alex4833 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video, Georgia! I like Vander a lot. Your analysis about him seeing himself as a father not just to the kids, but also to everyone in the community, is spot on. I also like how the show has done a great job in showing why he does what he does - it is definitely understandable. His struggle, his pain, and the impact the war had on him is portrayed well by the show and your analysis is spot on. And, one of the strengths of the show is how they take a nuanced approach to each character. All of them are complex and have understandable motives. You're spot on- safety is definitely one of the core needs and I can see how that drives Vander's actions. I agree with you - his selflessness is incredible and it moved me to see how he was willing to take the fall, in spite of the consequences (and even after what Grayson said). Last, but not least, I'd definitely like to see a Vander and Vi/Silco and Jinx comparison video :) Keep up the wonderful work. Have a nice weekend!! :).
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you =) and he is so selfless
@alex4833
@alex4833 2 жыл бұрын
@@GeorgiaDow Awww thank you, Georgia! I appreciate you too! He definitely is. He has a very caring heart.
@hol83
@hol83 2 жыл бұрын
Uhhhh, I've been waiting for this. I'll look at that now very happily, thank you in advance for analyzing his character.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
welcome =)
@unityedits3722
@unityedits3722 2 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about rewatching the season, but I honestly might just wait for the rest of your character analyses! 😅 Edit: 17:53 I never noticed, but this scene kind of mirrors the one where Jinx goes to see Chuck the bartender (which is definitely his name) later in the series. I think it might even be the same cup
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my i wonder if it is now I have to look. YES IT IS the same cup !!!
@alexhayden219
@alexhayden219 2 жыл бұрын
I really loved your analysis of Vander and I'll be watching your other videos, too. I also really enjoyed the moment that I realized you were wearing Vander's shirt. Very subtle and thought out, but not called too much attention to, like much of the show that has everything there for the audience to see, if they're looking and notice it. Until the end, when you did call attention to it. ;)
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
hehee i was proud of my work =P happy you liked it
@xavi3813
@xavi3813 2 жыл бұрын
I love your Arcane Series! It is really great content that analyzes a great show! I really like Vander as a character and how he loved his children, specially Vi and Powder!
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
yes he really did thanks
@rafaelalvessantos12
@rafaelalvessantos12 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the content! It would be interesting if we got a series in the channel about the personality types and mind characteristics of characters in fiction, using them as examples to explain some concepts in psychology, in some ways following the model that we got from the Arcane videos, but on a more focused and deep dive on key concepts rather than an analysis of the characters themselves. For instance, videos where a personality type or ego defense mechanism is exposed and characters from different medias are shown representing those. Hope the channel keeps growing, those discussions fly under the radar to most, I'm glad it's getting that spotlight.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for being a part of my community
@michelleborchardt199
@michelleborchardt199 2 жыл бұрын
Terrific insights! As you mentioned, the changes that occur during brain development are on full display in Arcane. Youth with its myopic passion filled furor - which age can replace with a more measured emotional intelligence to temper singular desire. Most of the message Vi gained from Vander was the depth of responsibility in leadership and influence. Much like Luisa in Encanto, protectors live to sacrifice for others at huge personal cost. The weight of failure due to a moment of poor judgement can be even more crippling for these personality types. Vi was asked “what are you willing to risk?” - and it ended up she lost everyone Vander listed when she brought the fight to Silco. I’d LOVE to see further analysis of the Silco/Vander parenting dynamic!
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
thank you will do
@stomponshao
@stomponshao 2 жыл бұрын
Originally WandaVision brought me to your channel and I'm so happy to see how much it has grown especially since Arcane, so very deserved! By all means keep them coming, I could watch your Arcane videos forever! :D
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
awww thx
@classicslover
@classicslover 2 жыл бұрын
QUITE the intimidating picture of you in thumbnail, Georgia...I got chills. YES to the videos about the specific scenes you mentioned. Brilliant analysis! Very thought provoking. While pondering, I walk...jog...do a katana kata...hit the heavy bag...I'm guessing you do the same kind of thing with your archery and martial arts. Not everybody grasps the spiritual healing tranquil aspects...but I absolutely know YOU do.
@GeorgiaDow
@GeorgiaDow 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you CL =)
@classicslover
@classicslover 2 жыл бұрын
@@GeorgiaDow Aww! You switched the thumbnail picture! I liked that one. I mean, pretty sure you CAN'T take a bad picture...so yes, this one works too, of course.
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