I think we all would be totally interested to see the engineering of righting the grain bins. This video was very educational, because I was not aware of how the shear plane forms.
@raven4k998 Жыл бұрын
what happen Putin happened there🤣
@gordswaitkewich940 Жыл бұрын
There is several videos. 1 has actual photos from the righting of the silos
@amosbackstrom5366 Жыл бұрын
I second this please
@IoDavide1 Жыл бұрын
I think it is ridicolous dont understand this in 40 seconds...
@marsaustralis6881 Жыл бұрын
This is somewhat similar to what could have happened at my old University. They were planning a big, major campus upgrade. The old veteran geologist professor warned the construction survey team of the ground condition at the planned site and that their proposed foundation would not hold and that they would need to dig deeper for the concrete rebar piles and further down for the foundation. They brushed him off and began laying the piles and foundation, only for the ground to give in in some places as they were drilling the holes for the piles and de-level the early parts of the foundation being set (that layer of dirt and rock meant to be flattened and built on top of). They were forced to correct their mistakes at their expense, which delayed the grand opening of the new science hall by a year as a more comprehensive survey was done, which ended up matching the old geologist professor's claims.
@ginnyjollykidd Жыл бұрын
Indeed! My Alma Mater University of Louisville has a Physics building with many structural support columns in the basement because of the sediments underneath; without them, the building wouldn't stand but buckle and slide or worse. I don't know much about this, but here are my thoughts. The building has its wide face facing the street while it's narrow sides face perpendicular to the street. It sits on a hill that descends toward the street. It might be that the building is held up by the street itself: that the street and its heavy traffic provide pressure on that place that might otherwise buckle upward as the building pushes down.
@NigelTolley Жыл бұрын
Imagine being dumb enough to think "Yeah, I did a 6 week course on this, what could the professor who taught the guy who taught me possibly know about his own back yard?"
@richardpowell1425 Жыл бұрын
The university I graduated from was hitby a major earthquake. Many of the buildings were condemned but the civil engineering department was fine. That was reassuring.
@Oberon4278 Жыл бұрын
Ignore the advice of old men at your peril.
@mbox314 Жыл бұрын
@Nigel Tolley many acidemics have no real world experience and are only able to recite a textbook.
@ericbainter826 Жыл бұрын
It is amazing that they salvaged the silos, especially for that time period.
@aviphysics Жыл бұрын
I imagine it was somewhat similar to the lifting of buildings in Sacramento CA above the flood plain. That was done very carefully with lots of jacks and even while the businesses remained open.
@timhinchcliffe5372 Жыл бұрын
I'd say they would of had a better chance back then as the structure would of been built alot stronger and _overengineered_ compared to today's leaner cost cutting engineering.
@stevebengel1346 Жыл бұрын
Think about what Galveston Texas did after the 1900 hurricane: they raised over 500 city blocks worth of buildings anywhere from 8 to 17 ft above existing grade as daily life went on around them.
@aviphysics Жыл бұрын
@@stevebengel1346 IIRC Seattle also did something similar. It seems like this was super common.
@BossSpringsteen69 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking of the same thing.
@numbnutz9398 Жыл бұрын
I grew up in South Transcona on the wrong side of the tracks ( or wrong side of the CN shops). I can concur that this is a very wet location. Every spring the floods would fill up the streets around my house. I have fond memories of floating around on rafts made from scrap wood or the occasional wooden bridge that floated away from someone's front sidewalk ( we had ditches on both sides of the road. Fun for the kids, but the parents were less impressed. If the city didn't get sand bags covering the manholes for the sewers in time we were treated to sewer backups in our basements. The city finally built a storage pond big enough to capture all the spring runoff which cured that problem. My parents bought a house here in the first phase of what was to be a subdivision of roughly 4500 houses. The tar roads and ditches were just temporary until the rest of the development was to be built with storm sewers and paved roads. That didn't happen and the original hundred or so home owners were screwed. No schools or shops or any amenities. They stopped when the developers found out how water logged and unsuitable this place was. The soil here is top soil on heavy clay with a gravely wet mix blow that. My father was digging out a hole (sink hole really ) in our front yard by the ditch. The shovel got stuck down in the hole and just got sucked in never to be seen again. Still there somewhere down below. I can see how a ,ess than perfect foundation would end in disaster here. Sorry for the long post but it isn't everyday a story that is literally in my childhood backyard comes up in my feed. Thanks for the video.
@TheEngineeringHub Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing numb, we appreciate stories from the locals. I am from a different part of Canada so never had the chance to visit Winnipeg but your description paints a very clear picture of what the geology/hydrology of the area is. Thank you, cheers!
@rubenenns7622 Жыл бұрын
@@TheEngineeringHub This was a case study that I got to hear and read about in our Geotechnical engineering textbook at the U of M. I always enjoy seeing something local like this unexpectedly.
@TheAncientColossus6 ай бұрын
This is literally one of the most famous and very first case study taught to every single Geotechnical Engineer in college (a specialization of civil engineering consisting of a relatively small group of practitioners). We love soil and solving problems in places like YOUR backyard! Geotechnical Engineers solve complex problems involving any type of structure that interacts with soil, not just foundations, but also large dams that hold reservoirs, deep walls that can be 10 stories below, underground tunnels, and nuclear storage deep underground 500 feet below your very feet!
@user-jm4nj7nz6tАй бұрын
Interesting story, but these silos are much further north by Kilcona Park off Springfield Road.
@wdoxsee29 күн бұрын
I'm an engineer. This video was clear and informative and I appreciate that there was no annoying "music" to "entertain" us. I look forward to a video about righting the Transconna - it would be fascinating. This is my first encounter with The Engineering Hub and I will look for more of your videos.
@TheEngineeringHub29 күн бұрын
Welcome to the community @@wdoxsee! I hope you enjoy some of the other videos as well! 🙏
@Prando34 Жыл бұрын
I love the format of these videos. As a visual learner, the graphics and demonstrations, like with the straws, helps me a lot to understand. Thankyou!
@TheEngineeringHub Жыл бұрын
Glad you like them! More to come!
@davidarvingumazon5024 Жыл бұрын
@@TheEngineeringHub Can you do about engineering of foundations underground mining? We need to know the evolution of their structural shapes. I'm still confused with people using woods to support their tunnels, and I don't know their limits. Steels are expensive.
@NigelTolley Жыл бұрын
@@davidarvingumazon5024 Wood is cheap and easily available in most distant mining locations, easily cut to length, and has great holding capacity. Using steel, you would still need something rigid to spread the load, else the steel would be driven like a nail into the earth. Very much like foundations!
@kerrykrishna Жыл бұрын
Geotechnical, I grew up in East End of Transcona, and had NO IDEA what this vid was about. I just saw a cool tilted structure! Something interesting for you maybe? Transcona was built on a dried out (for the most part) swamp. The entire suburb was once owned by a few farming families. There is a section about a mile and a half away that was a swamp when I was a kid. Freshwater springs brought water up to surface. In 60s, occasionally, the stupider kids (me?) would swim in there. When land prices increased. developers bought and drained the land, and rerouted the spring. Fast forward 20 years, and foundations were breaking on all the streets located above where the spring was. If I remember there were well over 100 houses involved. Imagine coming home after work, and you can't open your front door, as the door is jammed in the frame. This exact scenario played out over and over and over again. Developers denied all responsibility.
@BasementEngineer Жыл бұрын
KK: Of course they do, with some justification. The city (or county) building department reserves the legal right to review, AND APPROVE, all construction plans and drawings. Except for a garden shed below a certain size:-)) Legally that means that some responsibility is shared with that approving department of the government. Although I am not a lawyer, a law suit by my employer proved that such "approval" by a government body does entail acceptance of such responsibility. My employer won that law suit.
@gordswaitkewich940 Жыл бұрын
Lol. The old horse pond & the cordite ditch
@gordswaitkewich940 Жыл бұрын
I remember alot of that. Lol. Remember when Wayoata street was the end of the eastside & kildare to the north. When they built Murdoch McKay just inside of Duffys ditch. That used to be Clays farm. I hated that mile walk across the open field.
@gordswaitkewich940 Жыл бұрын
I used to play in that old elevator. Its accessed off Springfield road. Parish & Heinbecker bought it years ago & put it to work. Was still in use the last time I was back 4 years ago. I transferred out in 75. Lived in Transcona for almost 20 years. 500 block of Victoria east
@facingup1624 Жыл бұрын
When I heard Transcona in the video when I watched it on Sunday I assumed it was some other Transcona. Then he mentioned winnipeg at the end and I got curious where the building was. Today I was out for a xc ski at harbourview golf course, and bam, there it was.
@FalbertForester Жыл бұрын
@7:05 The author asserts that the main reason that foundations are dug into the soil is to extend the slip plane. That may be true in climates without winter, but I assert that in climates with winter, digging in to get under the frost line - the depth to which the soil freezes in winter - is a much more pressing reason to dig a foundation deep into the soil. If water gets under the foundation during warmer temperatures, then freezes in the winter, it can cause heaving, cracking, even collapse of the foundation, especially over years of freezing and thawing. Otherwise, good video, and thank you!
@TheEngineeringHub Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! There are many reasons why burying a foundation is a good idea. The extension of the slip plane and soil confinment are just two of many reasons. Frost is another excellent example, thanks!
@gregculverwell Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to hear what you have to say about the Milenium Tower in San Francisco and the efforts to stabilise /save it.
@TheEngineeringHub Жыл бұрын
That's an excellent example! It could end up being a nice video 🤔
@peterfireflylund Жыл бұрын
Pisan envy.
@dustinthewind3925 Жыл бұрын
As a pile driver, I would also like to hear your thoughts on cast in place pilings in the San Francisco "bay mud". After seeing the way they were drilled, filled with concrete or grout, and how the rebar cages are literally shoved into collapsed holes and called good... Well, it has always baffled me. I have 3 years of experience in dcip and it was some of the most horrendous pile installation I've ever seen and took part in... and I took no pride in it. One day I'm going to hear about one of those projects on the news, just like the millennium tower.
@RRaucina Жыл бұрын
@@TheEngineeringHub So get busy before it falls over.
@JamilaJibril-e8h2 ай бұрын
@@RRaucina😂😂😂
@pattschetter Жыл бұрын
I'm reminded of two similar failures relatively nearby, in the Fargo area, also on the Glacial Lake Agassiz lakebed - the Stockwood Fill east of Glyndon MN in the same timeframe as the Transcona failure, and a Fargo grain elevator built in the 1950's that failed similarly to Transcona but was unsalvageable.
@hartfordboothe746625 күн бұрын
The whole video is clear and well-done. But, the straws as a tool to illustrate the shear and heave failure is brilliant. It very clearly exemplifies how the failures can occur.
@TheEngineeringHub25 күн бұрын
Thank you for visiting and for the nice words. It means a lot to me!
@goodstufffromdavidpaul2246 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I have a failed home foundation on the north slope of Astoria, Oregon. I am continuing to study our options...we are at the top of one of 75 active landslides in Astoria. I read in (I think in: Brown's Foundation Engineering Handbook) about a rather famous settlement of a public building in Mexico. The building settled evenly making the second floor the first floor! And, I believe it is still in use today. PS: our geologist tells us that our fabulous view of the Columbia River, gets better every day.
@TheAncientColossus6 ай бұрын
Diatoms in Mexico City. Famous geotechnical engineering case study. You can thank Geotechnical Engineers for any options you come up with! We can solve any foundation problem thanks to the Father of Soil Mechanics, Karl Terzaghi.
@northtrader Жыл бұрын
Interesting video. Kind of nostalgic for me. This was pretty much "right in my backyard'. I grew up just north of Transcona and took my civil engineering degree from the University of Manitoba (way back). We studied this failure as part of the geotechnical curriculum. Thanks for posting. I also have that exact steel design and wood design manual in my 'library'. Although I don't practice engineering any longer, they are still great reference manuals.
@hmw-ms3tx Жыл бұрын
I took mechanical engineering at the U of M and remember the large black and white picture of this in one of the hallways. My older brother took civil there and they covered this failure as well.
@xanderopal7367 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating! This video explains why the plates and blocks I used to lift up a combine harvester in a field not just settled, but tilted as I operated the jacks. A much larger plate would have helped to increase the stability, and thus the safety.
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
But a larger plate would destroy more unharvested crops . For temporarily lifting a combine harvester, pushing around the soil at each location is acceptable and easily undone by plowing the field before sowing the next crop, as is tradition anyway.
@ylevre3285 Жыл бұрын
@@johndododoe1411 not the OP but having a few more square meters of crop disturbed is a lot less expensive than the ground shifting and dropping the combine in an awkward position that damages it. In addition, the odds are that the ground you are setting the plates and blocks on has already had the combine remove the crop being harvested anyways. Finally, most farmers engage in zero-till seeding now where they plant directing into the stubble of the previous year's crop as this reduces soil erosion during spring runoff or heavy rains as well as reducing moisture loss that occurs when the ground is cultivated.
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
@@ylevre3285 I thought lifting the combine would be after a breakdown with unharvested crops on 2 of 4 sides .
@ylevre3285 Жыл бұрын
@@johndododoe1411 I'd say that is generally correct, but because the combine header (intake) is at the very front of the machine that means that all the lift points underneath are going to have been cleared already. Any damage you need to do on the crop sides from there on will likely need to be done no matter if your final plates are 50cm per side or 150 cm per side
@ezegroup22 Жыл бұрын
What a great video! I learned more through it than in the lectures I received in my geotechnical engineering classes 25 years ago.
@TheEngineeringHub Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much ezegroup! We are very glad you found the video informative, check out some of our previous videos on geotechnical topics you may enjoy those as well. Cheers!
@ezegroup22 Жыл бұрын
@@TheEngineeringHub oh, yes. I’ve got quite a few that I need to watch!
@TheEngineeringHub Жыл бұрын
@ezegroup22 Great! Let us know how we did! Positive or negative, any feedback is appreciated 🙏
@jackfishcampbell6745 Жыл бұрын
That building is about 5 kilometers from our house , here in Winnipeg . I'm still amazed that they got a handle on this mess in 1913 .
@gordonborsboom7460 Жыл бұрын
I have passed near this structure many times. I've never heard of this failure before
@Umski Жыл бұрын
Thanks, a whole new field of engineering for me - it's astonishing that they were able to fix and re-right the silos after that failure - good old fashioned engineering, rather than the demolish and start again approach these days!
@tsm688 Жыл бұрын
the entire thing was structural metal, so not really fair to compare that to the failiure of most buildings
@Triple_J.122 күн бұрын
Modern construction projects have modern insurance. The insurance company owns the disaster. They transfer risk across hundreds of projects for a tidy sum.
@denkern-phil Жыл бұрын
Your straw model is wonderful. Please extend it and do ananalysis video using straws of different diameters, mixed, or in planes, or in patches. The underpinning thought is a realisation of mine of looking at solid, liquid and gaseous not as aggregate states, but rather as behaviour. This behaviour is determined in the most simple case by the mixing ratio of two homogenous particulate grain sizes. Exemplified by ground coffee (KG1) in its vacuum package (KG1=100%) behaving solid until a hole is punched and upon air (KG2, where KG2 KG1:KG2 = 90/10 -> 80/20 -> 70/30 etc. over time) - you can now "pour" it out.
@frankhoose Жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation. I'm not an engineer, but I'm always interested in how and why things happen from a scientific perspective. This really helped me to understand how, what seemed like a well-tested design, failed for reasons that are now much better understood.
@mumblbeebee6546 Жыл бұрын
Oh I would happily watch a video on the righting of the silos! :)
@InTeCredo Жыл бұрын
One came to my mind: St Mark basilica in Venice. I visited the basilica in 1989 and was surprised at how crooky and lumpy the flooring was. I could see from a certain distance that the basilica wasn't level. Pisa tower is famous and most visible example of foundation failure. Another is the Millennium Tower in San Francisco that is leaning 28 inches at the top, leading to the enormous engineering challenges of finding the optimal solution for stabilising the skyscraper (hopefully before the next Big One hits).
@RonJohn63 Жыл бұрын
7:27 Much of the parts of New Orleans and it's suburbs that were built up after 1950 suffer serious subsidence problems, since new land was created by filling in marsh and reclaiming the edge of the nearby lake. I remember driving down cracked and undulating streets, while seeing two foot gaps under house slabs.
@Christoph-sd3zi Жыл бұрын
Everything East of Michigan Ave is debris from the Great Chicago Fire that was pushed out into Lake Michigan after the fire so all buildings built there have to have pilings that extend down to solid ground.
@modernnomadtechnology9252 Жыл бұрын
A huge condominium tower had to be demolished on the Texas USA sandbar island of South Padre Island. This was quite recent, and it seems surprising that the engineers were once again incorrect in estimating the soil's capacity. It was an EPIC failure.
@sakeesh9p795 Жыл бұрын
Factor of safety is important here, which is the ratio of ultimate failure load to design (actual load). In every civil mechanical structure the factor of safety is used, if variable are unmeasurable or not measured it is increased. It could be high as 8 for tractors or 1.2 for rockets. In general engineering structures it is 3 to 4.
@Yora21 Жыл бұрын
A low safety factor for rockets makes sense. These things are so precisely engineered with extremely high quality control for the materials so that the possible loads are highly predictable. And they also need to minimize total weight as much as possible.
@jtd8719 Жыл бұрын
The factor of safety is usually taken against the computed "ultimate" strength (resistance) of the soil. Note, however, that this is the strength limit state and it may require that the soils move (settle) a great deal to fully mobilize the available resistance. In many cases, the usable strength is dictated by the settlement tolerance of the structure being supported - known as the serviceability limit state.
@Isabella-nh5dm Жыл бұрын
Ah...My own backyard. This is the Red River Clay soil that we live in. Transcona today is dry only where massive drainage systems have been put in place.
@eyemastervideo Жыл бұрын
Knowing how they brought it back up would be very interesting
@mohamedkhan4762 Жыл бұрын
As always a great video. It would be nice if we can have a separate video on Terzaghi's Failure Model and the Bearing Capacity Equations.
@TheEngineeringHub Жыл бұрын
Great suggestion!
@franksprecisionguesswork501 Жыл бұрын
Great concise video. Proves that assumptions can make or break a design. In this case a surface test did not reveal the weakness lurking below. I assume a valid test would have to be a drilled hole then inserting a pole to load test. And A driven pile would skew the bearing capacity because it compresses the soil beneath the pile.
@SafeTrucking Жыл бұрын
And the soil beside the pile. It creates a load bearing column that is of significantly larger than the area of the pile. Of course, that depends on the shape of the pile.
@pauldavidson6321 Жыл бұрын
The leaning tower of Pisa foundations would be an interesting topic.
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
And a potential example for ground settling slowly under a foundation, he asked for examples of that to use in a future video.
@linctexpilot8337 Жыл бұрын
I am not a soil engineer....................... but this video and failure explanation is FASCINATING!!!!
@Lucky9_924 күн бұрын
Dude. 5:44 where you showed the prediction with the straws was beautiful. It was so awesome to see the failure mechanism so clearly
@TheEngineeringHub21 күн бұрын
Thank you for the nice words and for taking the time to voice it 🙏🙏
@sailingstpommedeterre4905 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video !! It appears that the Tower of Pisa could have failed due to the same failure described in your video👍
@SeedlingNL Жыл бұрын
They also could have prevented this collapse the same way as Pisa did.. but that depends on how fast the collapse happened. If it was noticible, they could have left one side empty, which would counteract the tilt.. but with that weak clay layer, it could easily have gone the other way then. Kudos to whoever build them though.. those silos survived a collapse!
@darylcheshire1618 Жыл бұрын
What amused me about Pisa was that it began to tilt during construction and the builders tried to compensate for the lean by making the building curved. The tower has a slight curve.
@sailingstpommedeterre4905 Жыл бұрын
@@darylcheshire1618 😳😳😳 "curved" wow, I never heard that story😳
@SigniousCA Жыл бұрын
Best part of the video is using O86 and S16 as the end stops for the experiment. We'll done mate. Great demo and explanation of shear failure. Learned some history on it from the vid.
@pe4153 Жыл бұрын
This helps a lot. My friend is building retaining walls on expansive soil and was wondering why an expensive soils report was necessary and why they needed to take such deep samples. It also answered my question why foundations or footings are typically buried. Thanks
@TheEngineeringHub Жыл бұрын
There is also a video on expansive soils. You can find it in the description. Cheers!
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@brennans1563 Жыл бұрын
Not bad! The experiment with the bottle, however, is somewhat misleading as it does not include a foundation between the bottle and the straws.
@joetuktyyuktuk8635 Жыл бұрын
I am not familiar with how grain silos are loaded, is one silo loaded to capacity then the next? Or are they loaded simultaneously? I see a distribution arrangement on top, but I assume there would be gates to regulate flow into different silos. I wonder what role if any of uneven distribution of weight may have played, say if the bins were started to fill from front to back, or one side to the other.
@joetuktyyuktuk8635 Жыл бұрын
@@brennans1563 Yes and the rounded edge on the bottle would serve as a additional source of slippage, given the "grain" size of the straws, but I think overall it does a good job of providing a visualization of the "underlying" principles...
@perotekku Жыл бұрын
I actually used to work in this grain elevator, as a subcontracted electrician for maintenance. Have lots of photos on my phone of all the old pulleys and DC motors. As far as I know, this elevator is now vacant as of 2021 or so, serious foundation issues I heard, and the owners have moved to a brand new elevator out East of Winnipeg, past the town of Dugald.
@Shaker626 Жыл бұрын
IF they had foundation issues to begin with, I can't imagine how bad they are now. I think the elevator should be preserved though.
@normbograham3 ай бұрын
In the repair, they drove piles down and put the silos down on the pilings. But there is a brown clay layer, and then a grey clay layer which is only 1/3 as sticky as the above layer. The weight of the building needs to be distributed over a larger area, to reduce the actions at the grey clay layer. You could still repair this, but it'd be expensive. You'd need to pick up each silo again, and pour a big pad, to distribute the weight over a larger area. It might also help, to move the silos a little further apart. but then you'd want to drive some new pilings.
@darylcheshire1618 Жыл бұрын
reminds me of the coal stage at Ararat in 1970 it was a massive concrete structure. An attempt was made to demolish it and it leaned over at 45 degrees and stayed that way for a week. Later it was demolished,.
@rafaeldiazsanchez Жыл бұрын
Clear explanation, good graphics... a pleasure to watch. Thank you.
@KaiHenningsen Жыл бұрын
We've had subsiding problems here caused by big building projects which in turn caused a lowering of the water table, leading to many cracks in old buildings. At least around here, it was a huge thing. Here = Münster (Westf.), Germany. (As in, peace of Westphalia.)
@Sylvan_dB Жыл бұрын
This was great, especially the straw model. I'd love to have a similar analysis of the Millenium Tower in San Francisco.
@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking Жыл бұрын
Yes! I'm scared by the fact that could be an actual water well underneath that building. "The Leaning Tower of San Francisco." Edit: Also, please do the liquifaction events during the 1906 Quake...like the Valencia Hotel. (Proof wooden buildings are not safer than brick if your foundation is built upon old wetlands or creeks.)
@gordswaitkewich940 Жыл бұрын
And to think I used to play there when I was a kid. I think it was in the late 70s when these elevators were finally put to intended use. The long sides face north & south. The west side of the silos have settled & remain that way still today
@pbm767 Жыл бұрын
And think of it, the ancients erected the Pyramids without such capabilities
@murphybrown6662 ай бұрын
To be fair, they built that directly onto the bedrock. After they surveyed it from space. Before the great war that wiped out humanity. ;-)
@alexc43002 ай бұрын
And there was I just going to say, “the ones which are still standing” … but I like yours!
@hhiippiittyy2 ай бұрын
Pyramids are inherently more stable.
@freedomoperator650225 күн бұрын
They did it on bedrock. Not even close to the same.
@gilsaraiva5815 Жыл бұрын
Touché...but also, the soil type is important. As a Geologist, in my country we never use the 300mm plate, only 600m to 720mm plate. Also we use the DIP test and Troxler test. And if needed we complement with CPT and/or DPSH.
@formolzinho Жыл бұрын
Very nice, concise and informative video. Thanks for sharing.
@hafeeznoormohamed1259 Жыл бұрын
Wow this series on Geotechnical topics is really awesome! Can you please do the next part on piles / deep foundations? Cheers!
@BrilliantDesignOnline Жыл бұрын
Second that on piles/deep foundations, especially under-sea (like SF Bay Bridge).
@truegret7778 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating. I, for one, would like to see the follow-up story of just how they "righted" the Transcona Grain Elevator, and why it was decommissioned. Thanks!
@raydunakin Жыл бұрын
I'm not an engineer or architect, but this was quite fascinating!
@sixstringedthing Жыл бұрын
I've only watched the intro and paused this for later, but I've already subscribed to the channel. I can see that this is going to be excellently produced and very informative. I have nothing to do with geo/hydro or civil works in my day job as an electronics tech, but I've always been fascinated by the engineering behind The Big Jobs. Looks like this channel will fall right on that particular shear line. :)
@TheEngineeringHub Жыл бұрын
Hi thing with six strings, I am flattered by your comment. I hope the rest of the video, when you watch it, will hold up to the initial expectations. Possibly this other video on Taipei 101 might fall in your interest category as well: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3jIaq2grLBlnbM
@pro7o7ype87 Жыл бұрын
Good video, but for the record 300kPa is not "well below" 400kPa in a geotechnical engineering sense. Factor of Safety of at least 2 should be applied for bearing capacity, corresponding to 200kPa allowable.
@cosmiccharlie8294 Жыл бұрын
I used to chuckle reading the geotechnical reports, talk about CYA language. That told me it was not an exact science. One situation that cropped up over and over was trench settlement. Contractors universally detested having to compact the trench spoils in lifts and if they were not watched they often would not do it.
@josephmarks55072 ай бұрын
Excellent lesson in video form. Equal time and respect for the different view points. Easily digested and permanently absorbed for future use. Thank you!
@TheEngineeringHub2 ай бұрын
@josephmarks5507 thank you so much Joseph for the nice words 🙏
@charleslyster1681 Жыл бұрын
I had always thought that the depth of foundations (unless they are raft foundations) was determined by how far down it was necessary to go to get either to bedrock or to hard, compacted subsoil which would resist compression. I’d certainly have imagined this grain silo was built on piles, but it seems it was just a relatively shallow slab.
@MegaTapdog Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, Im an armchair engineer and love to learn from videos like this.
@TDurden52722 күн бұрын
As Malcolm said in "Jurassic Park", "God help us, we are in the hands of engineers." Not that engineers are goofballs, but the shlt they deal with is so complex . . . well, there it is.
@Flowing23 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thank you.
@kevinduran9337 Жыл бұрын
Could uneven grain loads in the silos themselves have contributed to the failure as well?
@dwaynemurphy8229 Жыл бұрын
Really awesome video! Well explained. Look forward to more videos soon.
@kennethellison9713 Жыл бұрын
This is a great presentation. Your use of clear explanations and understandable modeling made this accessible to the layman. I'd like to know your thoughts on the Millennium tower failure in San Francisco.
@stephenbrickwood1602 Жыл бұрын
As time past I grabbed every chance to see a fallen crane or cracked building or over settled structure. It made my engineering perspective more real.
@rager1969 Жыл бұрын
The Leaning Tower of Pisa (of course) and the Millennium Tower in San Francisco.
@465maltbie Жыл бұрын
Very nicely done video, more detail about the righting of the elevator would be nice to see. Charles
@tsbrownie Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Well explained. Thank you. Did you make a video on the righting of the bin house?
@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking Жыл бұрын
Really cool video! I never understood this phenomenon before. I have a suggestion - if you use different colored straws for each layer, we could visualize it much better. See just how far soils from below, climb up to the top. (And how upper layers sink!) Thank you, eagerly awaiting more.
@TheEngineeringHub Жыл бұрын
Great tip! Thank you, settlement coming up next! In meanwhile you can check out our latest video on the Comet - The Plane That Kept on Crashing! Cheers!
@vector712 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you are getting some value out of your CISC design handbook finally. :P
@TheEngineeringHub Жыл бұрын
If you enjoyed this video, you may also enjoy the next video in this series on: The Leading Cause of Foundation Failures ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4OYgaWYead2gtk )
@DavidRLentz Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your acknowledgements and feedback.
@DarkVoidIII Жыл бұрын
Here's a question: Why do they pack sand and level it when building foundations? Is the compaction force applied to the soil and sand mixture important when building large buildings that are only 1 or 2 stories high?
@wally78562 ай бұрын
Compaction is important when building a sidewalk.
@SeanBZA Жыл бұрын
By me, due to a lot of the soils being wet sand and silt, many of the large buildings in the city are built on pilings, that go down to a bedrock layer some 30m/100ft down, so that the buildings do not settle into the ground. Even for buildings that are 3 floors many were built that way, simply because there were so many other buildings that settled down over time, despite having massive floating slab foundations. You have to come out of the city basin before you find simple non piled foundations, and even there many still use deep piling to get stable foundations that will not shift. One large centre was rather infamous for having an expansion joint, that opened up big enough that you could put a ladder between the 2 floors, and climb between them. They fixed it by casting in a new section of slab to close it up again, after the motion had subsided, and putting in a massive effort involving digging out the fill (what caused the issue) and piling under the half to both expand the centre, and to provide a large area of foundation on existing soil as well. university has the one building that has moved around 5m down the hillside it was built on, as a unit, due to them underestimating the piling requirement, but the concrete structure is strong enough to handle it. Ironically, it does contain parts of the civil engineering faculty, and the other side is known as the most accurately surveyed hill in the area, seeing as it get surveyed around 100 times a year in training students.
@melody37412 ай бұрын
Its terrifying to think about doing everything right and still failing, but also is sort of reassuring, that not all failures are evil and neglectful Its very tempting to get really angry at failures and demand someone be blamed, but sometimes that is really not possible in a fair way. When you see new situations (e.g. visual inspection not being enough) instead of jumping to blame, its time to learn things. Yes, sometimes people will die. I myself may die from an oversight. Thats how we learn. Thats life. You don’t get to cheat death and harm at every turn.
@patty109109 Жыл бұрын
Very useful, as I’m in the middle of planning a Grain silo project!
@BillySnowball Жыл бұрын
Good video, the original design error was only a couple of %, assuming they'd allowed % 33 factor of safety. Which they clearly had. The fos I would argue was an error and should have been two to three times the characteristic load
@rre9121Ай бұрын
5:50 what an awesome demonstration!
@parkwaydriven92 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I have actually been wanting to build a model similar to what you have shown to help better explain this concept. Time to go buy some straws! Haha thanks!
@TheEngineeringHub Жыл бұрын
Hi Park! Thanks for the comment, starws of varying diameters might be even better. That would represent the soil better since the particle size distribution in the soils could vary a lot.
@wombatillo Жыл бұрын
No longer available in Europe. I hope you live somewhere else or cardboard straws have to be good enough.
Жыл бұрын
Interesting explanation, it's necessary to say that the bousinesqq model apply for the trayectories on the stresses lines and finally will show the tendency for the deformation plane. The bousinesqq Model for the tensorial state of deformations over an object is deduced from the Lamé-Navier differential equation solution, wich describes accrurately this kind of punture applying load over an horizontal layer, like this superficial foundation.
@DavidRLentz Жыл бұрын
EDITED for completion: This is so far from my area of expertise that I cannot succinctly describe it. I am a brilliant speller, an excellent writer, and an aspiring novelist. Conversely, I am as far from being a maths whiz as humanly possible. Yet I still find this remarkably interesting; enough so that I watched till the end. I have a gangly, long-legged, visibly asymmetrical physique, which has suffered numerous structural injuries; sprains and a broken right shoulder from different ways of falling. I also have the capacity to walk with astounding quickness! I explain things in general terms of mechanical engineering (I lack the training or expertise for any depth), which from others' responses registers to some extent.
@TheEngineeringHub Жыл бұрын
Hi David, the fact that you could follow the video until the end is a good sign that you (even though far from your area of expertise) may have an engineering (factual) way of looking at things on top of the story-telling writing perspective which I am sure you also excell at. Thanks for coming here! Cheers!
@DavidRLentz Жыл бұрын
@@TheEngineeringHub , well, how kind of you to say! I usually hear "NERD ALERT! NERD ALERT! NERD ALERT!" or 😠 "Know-it-all!" I endeavour for intellect and rationality in all things. When people scold me for being the Spelling Police (therein admitting to being the spelling criminal?), I ask them if they would tolerate such sloppiness and error in maths. Sullen silence! 😳 SMH
@Graham_Wideman Жыл бұрын
Touting your brilliance as a speller invites closer inspection of your use of "till". 🙂
@DavidRLentz Жыл бұрын
@@Graham_Wideman as opposed to "until"? Or "'til"? If it would satisfy your abacus-itch, I am poor at maths. I am gangly and misshapen. I am unable to work, essentially trapped in suffocating poverty. These are horrid circumstances not of my causation, and completely beyond my capacity to resolve. I am an aspiring novelist. For the practical, I hope to earn a worthy income. I endeavour to excellence, though I still make typos. I just wish that your perverse picayunity had merit. I truly do not feel well (I dozed off whilst texting this), and I could use your assistance to improve my life. Since you seem so eager to offer criticism, and I infer, help, could you email me a thick crust mushroom pizza, mild sauce, a two- litre of Orange Crush, an 8-piece cinnamon roll with white icing, a few large jars of Randall great northern beans, three premade cornbread, and a half gallon of 3% milk from Kroger's, please? I am too weary to cook. (I am not good at it, anyway.) Remember: email them! 🙂 Then, please help me to find a way to have my notebook recharge its battery, so that I can return to what work I can do? That would be such a big help! If you could pop by, I have a huge, long list of my other faults for you. They in their enormous quantity are really heavy, though. I have lost count, though it has to be well into the millions! Terribly embarrassing! Till then . . . .
@Graham_Wideman Жыл бұрын
@@DavidRLentz Exactly. Not that it matters much in the grand scheme!
@ClassicShotokan Жыл бұрын
Interesting. You should analyze the leaning tower of Pisa. The failure and the corrective actions.
@Kevinrothwell1959 Жыл бұрын
That was really interesting! It explains something that I've often wondered about concerning foundations. Subscribed
@JelMain Жыл бұрын
The obvious one is soil liquefaction in the San Francisco 1906 earthquake. We now have the Millennium Tower in torsion, partially supported on bedrock, which suggests to me they've created a pivot point in this model. Sand bed ultrasonic studies suggest a thixotropic breakdown of clay colloids may be pertinent.
@markp5726 Жыл бұрын
Houses in Amsterdam are on pilings. Some started leaning because the pilings started rotting when the groundwater level dropped.
@trischas.2809 Жыл бұрын
San Marco in Venice did settle unevenly since its construction, managing to deform its own Tarrazzo floors in the outer areas but keeping its inner floors mostly flat.
@roberthoffhines5419 Жыл бұрын
Settlement case: The Auditorium Theater building in Chicago.
@TexasEngineer2 ай бұрын
I have designed large autotransformer foundations for substations. I sent a project to three soil consultants to determine the settlement of a piers
@deanmason5827 Жыл бұрын
Never will I do any kind of work like this, just knowing what is below my feet and above my head is interesting. Every day structures, bridges, skyscrapers, highways ,this could be a long list of infrastructure designs that most of us don't put a second thought into but use every day are important, thanks for the knowledge.
@va4cqd Жыл бұрын
I used to work there for a few years. My dad worked there for 7 years
@LordMondegrene Жыл бұрын
All the crazy corrections made to the Leaning Tower of Pisa, which began to lean DURING construction, so they built a curve into it! ... and the engineering afterwards was just as wacky, monster lead blocks, grout injections, hydraulic jacks and more! It's like a smorgasbord of engineering fixes over the centuries. ALSO: Titanic, Hindenburg, Challenger, Columbia, Upper Big Branch Mine, Deep Water Horizon Oilwell, etc, in which accountants overruled engineers to cut costs, and wound up cutting throats.
@rickdommett Жыл бұрын
geopiers are becoming more and more in use, I would appreciate a shear plane experiment on this new adaptation, thank you.
@mltnetwork Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video...I love engineering marvels and solving and understanding engineering failed events and projects.
@pdgingras Жыл бұрын
Something similar was happening at the Anderson Plant (Conant Street) in Maumee, Ohio, although not as extreme. They still use the grain bins, but at only 50%.
@zaptor1514 Жыл бұрын
I think a contributing factor in this failure is uneven loading and unloading similar to loading and unloading ships and the ballasting operations. Too much load on one side of the silo complex would put uneven pressure on the foundation causing it to slip / slide down in the ground hence tipping the silos over.
@evangiles44032 ай бұрын
Based on their design it shouldn't matter where the grain is put In the case of the silos each silo would hold different grades of wheat so the first two silo's would be filled simultaneously with the same then the next two going from front to back They would never load all the left side bins and then all the right because they already know it would be a stupid thing to do
@BillDavies-ej6ye Жыл бұрын
An excellent video, interesting and well explained. Congratulations.
@DiriN-u4x Жыл бұрын
very well presented , i love illustration they help understand the problems
@iandalton6887 Жыл бұрын
My Civil Engineering lecturer warned me of the danger of & how to calculate the slip circle in 1967. Unfortunately, I witnessed live on television in 1997, 2 ski chalets' concrete slabs slip onto each other after constant rain, killing 18 skiers in their sleep !
@sparty942 ай бұрын
excellent presentation. it's easy to visualize with your model.
@johntakolander8613 Жыл бұрын
Here in Finland there is a difference with winter conditions eg frost. But also changes in the groundwater level due to excess rains etc. can also contribute to catastrophies. Sadly the global climate has changed radically with torrential rains in usually dry areas.
@zachreyhelmberger894 Жыл бұрын
How they got it righted must be an amazing story!
@rosiehawtrey Жыл бұрын
Not really. I imagine they counter loaded the up side with grain and used screw jacks under the down side to move it into equilibrium. The amazing story is jacking up a whole town to deal with flooding..
@walterpasicznyk4325 Жыл бұрын
The Logan neighborhood of Philadelphia was dangerously sinking back in 1986. You can find old news articles easily with a search. Cinders and ash were used to fill a creek bed on which the homes were built.
@BasementEngineer Жыл бұрын
Hmmm, I wonder if there is a record of the condition of fill of the various silos. If all the silos were empty, and loading began with an outer row of silos progressing towards the middle, an overturning moment would be introduced in the foundation slab. This could start the shear failure of the soil below the foundation. I'm surprised that no test borings were conducted to investigate soil conditions for some distance below the footing, say at least to the lowest extend of the "sphere of influence" as shown on your animation diagram.
@tsm688 Жыл бұрын
as the video says, they did do borings, but only **looked** at the bottom half. It looked the same as the top half so they didn't test it. They were wrong
@pierrec1590 Жыл бұрын
In Winnipeg, in winter, frost frequently reaches 2 meters deep. I wonder if this may have contributed in any manner to the failure.
@c.garcia2363 Жыл бұрын
Muy bien hecho el video y muy informativo su contenido.