German Terrorism |Red Army Faction | 1977

[@End-Result]

Another brilliant Thames TV archive doc. This is what real video journalism is all about.

[@whatamalike]

Your archives are absolutely incredible! I wish more folks did stuff like this. I mean i would LOVE to see a full episode of Tony Wilsons 'So it Goes' instead of just certain clips.

[@Worldofourown2024]

British Pathe is another good channel that does classic videos and old films.

[@tomduggan51]

Thames TV, Thanks for showing this documentary and thanks for making good archive programmes such as this available to us now!

[@maxheadrom3088]

This is an amazingly well done piece!

[@Noctic542]

They gave me Communist papers for the DDR and the Soviet

[@migspit]

A time when programmes like this were broadcast at prime time instead of the diet of soaps, quiz shows and "reality" tv we get now

[@gravvin845]

There is actually far more news on TV now including prime time then there was back then. You could argue about the quality. There was shite TV on in the 70s as well, far more people tuned into game shows and soups check the numbers. Don't be so nostalgic about the past, it was as bad as this documentary makes clear.

[@ENGABU1]

In fairness it's the fact that we had no "choice". Growing up in Ireland we had only 1 channel at this time. In the UK you would have had just 3. As children we watched political programmes like this, and I'm very grateful for that.

[@michaelcoulter1725]

Dang this is better news than what they show today

[@hisdud3ness93]

Its not that TV dont broadcast it, they broadcast what people watch the most and what you mentioned above gets the most people in front of the screens these days. Luckily we have internet and other streaming platforms.

[@edwardsantos7120]

Totally agree bring back World in Action. Less of Love Island reality TV. I blame Murdoch turning broadcasting into a tabloid style news

[@stefanhernold345]

The person speaking from 1.38 onwards is none other than Manfred Rommel, General Field Marshal Erwin Rommel`s son, then lord mayor of Stuttgart and a rare voice of moderation in those deeply troubled times.

[@amina-pr8xt]

Dagegen der, der um 2:50 herum spricht...

[@stefanhernold345]

@@amina-pr8xt The lawyer being interviewed from 13.36 onwards - what a *rocher de bronze* of civil libertarianism he used to be ! The man`s name is OTTO SCHILY, and 21 years later he would become Germany`s Minister of Interior. Along with other veterans of the glorious counterculture of yesteryear, Schily and his ilk have become part of this country`s new establishment. In the wake of 9/11 and the "war on terror", the former civil libertarian, as the red/green government`s minister of interior, not only enjoyed excellent relations with his American counterpart in the Bush administration; he was quite successful at emulating the US government`s most authoritarian anti-terrorism legislation.

[@suissais4732]

Doesent look like him

[@ivyradcliffe6559]

The fact that Nazis and their children were still in control of the West German government is exactly what caused the RAF to become active in the first place

[@froggreen2067]

Wois i

[@A_10_PaAng_111]

Damn, The Brits make good documentaries.

[@nigelbenn4642]

I mean THREE simultaneous suicides? I thought the Germans were more sagacious than that

[@rejectionisprotection4448]

Obviously not.

[@JoannVonroemer]

The number THREE is the clue..​@@rejectionisprotection4448

[@soulsey]

Terrorists complaining about the consequences of their terrorism. A lot of barking up the wrong tree.

[@gorgeousgeorge7960]

Commie intellectuals. The usual suspects behind the scenes, too

[@musicguy20]

The 70s were turmoil all over the world.

[@Zhicano]

"Democratic but not socialist". Liberal democracy is anything but a democratic system. How can capitalist parties who uphold corporate interests say they're for democracy or any other egalitarian valued when they work only in the interest of the few rich. Socialism is democratic because working class are in control. It is their interests that are sought after. Not individual capitalists and landlords.

[@zd1322]

Wrong.

[@Zhicano]

@@zd1322 all you got?

[@dominicseanmccann6300]

A philosophy in a word; a meaning in a grain of sand; succinctly put political argument in 5 letters'. Think of what a sentence could achieve.....😆

[@zd1322]

@@Zhicano I've got plenty more, but it is pointless to waste it on you. You are a fool.

[@ЛесяУкраїнкабуламарксисткою]

Exactly. Finally someone understands!

[@josephpickard3108]

How good journalism used to be. Proof that endless channels means chumbucket content

[@matthewgabbard6415]

That's the obvious question I have for the RAF. You have a Communist State right over the border. Why not go over there if its so great? But like most radicalized young people in stable, democratic countries, they were really at war with their parents values. I went through something similar in my 20s. You grow out of it, and hopefully before you do something horrible.

[@Artie1917]

Необходимо ликвидировать капитализм, частную собственность, конкуренцию, бюрократию, рыночную экономику, рынок недвижимости, риелторскую деятельность, рынок ценных бумаг, биржи, предпринимательство, маркетинг, рекламу. Слово "бизнес" пора забыть. Всё должно быть национализировано. Общество должно быть бесклассовым.

[@Artie1917]

Нужна мировая революция. Только мировая революция способна ликвидировать социальное неравенство. Нужно ликвидировать всех классовых врагов.

[@Artie1917]

Предприниматели (бизнесмены) - это спекулянты, ростовщики, эксплуататоры. Они классовые враги.

[@Artie1917]

В обществе, основанном на эксплуатации, высшей моралью является мораль социалистической революции. Л. Троцкий. Агония капитализма и задачи Четвертого Интернационала

[@Edgeoftown]

Take note, at roughly 18:28mins it is said that the ruling party in government is enacting new laws "ostensibly to Combat terrorism but which would dramatically curtail the civil rights of ALL Germans!!" That sounds very familiar! It seems that even though the players have changed the playbook remains the same in 2022!!

[@nopasaran191]

“Democratic, not socialist” If it’s not democratic it’s not socialism

[@gorgeousgeorge7960]

Lol

[@richpeacock]

if its Socialism its not Democratic.

[@jasonpillay9909]

@@richpeacock If it's "democracy" it's not democratic.

[@nopasaran191]

@@richpeacock cope

[@nopasaran191]

@@richpeacock I just checked this for the first time in months and this motherfucker said if it’s socialist it’s not democratic. Anyone who googles socialism will see what democracy means to socialism

[@Edgeoftown]

"If you are not unambiguously for the state than you are against it and enemies don't deserve civil rights!" Das hätte unter anderem auch über die heutige Corona Politik gesagt werden können!!!

[@D4rkc14ymor3]

That's alot of words for terrorists aren't people.

[@johanakermyr1437]

Meanwhile in the "UK". Occupying 6 of the 32 counties of Ireland. It takes guts....

[@hattiewhitson7736]

13:36 funny how what this guy is outraged over is less than what we all willingly submit to constantly in 2017. People expected a lot back then, didn’t they?

[@synthmaniacmoog2607]

I think it is more a case that people are chickenshit today.

[@AviateNavigateCommunicate919]

@@synthmaniacmoog2607 totally agree.

[@W.Stryker]

SteppenWolff100 if I find the living members of the Baader Meinhoff group. I’m going to let them know my rage first hand

[@joemackenzie2176]

@@W.Stryker Spoken like a good little Bootlicker.

[@PoonScurvy]

You're saying it's wrong to be mad about being detained for any reason and not be given access to a lawyer?

[@ikalgo5291]

People calling them good in the Comments didn't live in the 70s and most aren't even German i wonder why that is

[@swagkachu3784]

Commies thats why

[@МаксЕльк]

​@@swagkachu3784, и? Поясни?

[@veronikalynn5084]

@@МаксЕлькdon’t bother asking them to back up their reasoning, they’re already blind

[@JamesTilsley1]

The Bavarian politician seemed a bit of a character.

[@100cele]

Indeed. He was easily Western Germany's worst and most corrupt and dishonest politician by far. Even today's politicians are not as greedy and as bribable as he was.

[@AndreLei1982]

That’s an understatement.

[@philipwilliams9060]

...... Good Doc., - & with what we're goin' through Now; 'COMPLIANCE' - is putting It MILDLY!

[@alex69elijah9yaki]

I have the theory that people in the 60s / 70s enjoying the post war economic boom get bored because they have no poverty and no hunger, basically spoiled upper middle/ middle classes with too much free time, very few "terrorists" belonged to the working class

[@bertroost1675]

Possibly. I think they also saw the false Christianity that their parents practiced and felt rebellious against it or let down by it. I am not saying Christianity is false but that the practitioners were only going through the motions and showing their hypocrisy.

[@gargoyle7863]

These terrorist heard some BS about Marxism at the university but instead visiting East Germany to see the "blessing" of such ideology first hand they started a terror group to steal the democracy of the people in West-Germany.

[@myboythom]

I think this piece explains a lot about where Germany is today on all fronts Merkel migrants etc etc

[@moralcoach717]

Of course it's a fucking mess. Imagine you were educated to believe you're the worst kind of monster but a the same time you're not a monster, why is it so surprising to find out these people are crazy?

[@adamgardiner5869]

This resonates deeply in 2020.

[@antigen4]

eh? how so? black lives matter etc??

[@A_10_PaAng_111]

How ?

[@lebendigesgespenst7669]

@Sebastian Guevara no…

[@shanetonkin2850]

@@antigen4 the current political situation in the US - the emergence of a small bunch of deluded, yet extremely militant, clowns who are practically foaming at the mouth over the supposed “crimes” of their government. Fascinatingly though, this time the morons are now from the far-right, rather than the far-left.

[@Worldofourown2024]

I'm watching in 2024 and yea, it's very familiar. Except this time collapse of America and world war results from the old world order out of chaos conspiracy. We're enter a truly horrifying era of history. Yes, we're not yet in famine nor collapsed nor in a civil war yet, but it's 100% certain by decades end. I really do expect WW3 before decades end with a full on new world order. That's super scary, isn't it?

[@MrBillcale]

one mans terrirst is another mans freedom fighter at least then people were wiling to give theri lives for a cause right or wrong now they are too busy on their phones

[@D4rkc14ymor3]

No, there are clear lines. Most freedom fighters are just terrorists you personally agree with. Their actions are no different. Real fighters fight in the military.

[@dvb2957]

For those of you who actually think that more government is good idea, I challenge you to do this. Within the week go to your local US Armed Forces Recruiting Office and enlist for 4 plus years. Once you sign that contract and swear in you'll be government property. Hence the word G.I. Which means Government Issue. You'll no longer have rights but privileges. You'll fall under the Uniform Code of Military Justice or UCMJ until your contract is completed. For those who scoff at my post remember this. In communist countries and majority of socialist countries military service is MANDATORY. Just ask the Russian male conscripts who feld Russia because they didn't want to fight in their government's war with Ukraine.

[@Master_ofReality]

Russia is not a socialist country

[@Worldofourown2024]

I served in the US Army as a cook turning up in Bosnia's civil war for a year. It was a most challenging enduring endeavor and one that isn't worth it in the end for individuals to commit 100% unless war is no other option here on the home front. Yes, you could get in trouble with an Article 16, demoted, and sent to the brig with dishonorable discharge is a bad unruly soldier in defiance of the chain of command and US Government. I did see several bad soldiers go out bad and had 2 bad soldiers as battle buddies who supposed to be helping me instead of raping civilians and being mean and hateful. I thought for a few months I was going to have to shoot two fellow Americans, but they got in trouble, sat in the tent waiting discharge, and dishonorably discharged back to Alabama and Mississippi. I didn't even have to report some problems during deployment to the chain of command for they saw and heard it discreetly handling it. There are only a handful of recruits today going active duty. I wouldn't do it again for that's a lot of hard work that hurt me effecting and ruining my life. I've met hundreds of dis-empowered under employed and even homeless veterans of foreign wars that all feel it was a bad misstep as in terrible mistake. Don't do it unless war on the home front is the only option.

[@MikeNelson-s4o]

You are partially right. It has nothing to do with socialism, or even democracy. But a lot of countries do have mandatory conscription. Including Israel. It makes sense for these smaller countries to, because if a situation did arise, like a military attack, they will have plenty of trained civilians, much like our national guard. To help protect their country. Already trained.

[@vladimirolujic6637]

10:13 it's a tradition in Germany. 😎

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

Does moderation even exists in the German vocabulary.

[@AN474-e1o]

No. Horst Mahler, one of the founders of the RAF is now a National Socialist and just got out of prison for Holocaust denial. Germans can never just settle with Liberalism for long.

[@48677]

@@AN474-e1o The far left and the far right are very similar today...

[@johnmorgan792]

I don’t want trouble nor to offend anyone, but hearing people say there is no, or that there barely is opposition in West Germany does not make any sense. Why? Because, Helmut Schmidt an Willy Brandt both of whom were chancellors of West Germany during the 60s and 70s where members of the social democratic party SDP. Their predecesdors where members of the conservetive party CDU. Both the right and the left were represented in the West German governemt.

[@eggselent9814]

Yes but don't forget that in the late 60s the CDU and the SPD had entered into one big coalition which made the FDP which was significantly smaller the only opposition to the coalition in charge

[@miel1074]

But what rights were taken away!? Which West German citizen was not able to vote or write a newspaper article or speak freely in West Germany in 1977!?? What is this ridiculous Thames Television moron talking about: "repression ", "lack of freedom " etc. Baader -Meinhoff HIJACKED AIRCRAFT! Kidnapped and then murdered its victims!! What does this "journalist " expect the German State to do?! Hand over the country to these Marxist Liars!? What election did the Meinhoffs win!? Why should the majority population submit to their ideas, just because they murder people!!?

[@purpking6000]

From a personal view its weird but some what comical to see how the tables have turned in the modern day on who is censoring who

[@andreaziz5499]

iMPORTANT FILM-NEWS FOR EUROPEAN POLITIC STUDY

[@GhoulJaron]

Ilan Hartuv, one of the surviving hostages in the hijacking of Air France Flight 139 in 1976, recalled Böse saying to him during the hijacking that "I carried out terrorist acts in West Germany because the ruling establishment took Nazis and reactionaries into its service." During the hijacking, Böse is reported to have told a Jewish passenger who had shown Böse his Auschwitz tattoo, "I'm no Nazi! ... I am an idealist."[3] Böse was killed during Operation Entebbe. According to hostage Ilan Hartuv, Böse was hesitant to shoot the hostages.[4] He ordered them to take shelter when Israel Defense Forces commandos stormed the airport terminal where the hostages were being held.

[@DivideandConquerAnti-WEF]

German rock band brought me here

[@myboythom]

14.40 sound fuckin spookily familiar or what?

[@stefankirner7347]

Seine heiligkeit Franzl Hit....äh, Strauss mein ich, spricht Englisch, wasn Lachflash

[@neilfinercampbell4167]

Dave Greaves said once while he was helping me out that he always remember ed the phone number at 163. .. 43588 ... Until Hull made numbers six digit s when it became 343588.

[@kaybeesmith6164]

Depends on who your asking

[@mellamell7441]

12:59 In answer to the witch hunt question “I do not believe in witches . . . I am not a member of an African tribe . . . “ There is so much wrong with this answer.

[@fgaze72]

@Jo Piscine well (disregarding your rather broad and unsubstantiated generalisation), the term 'witch-hunt' does not literally mean 'hunting for practitioners of witchcraft'. its an idiomatic expression, meaning a zealous or dogmatic campaign against a particular group

[@fgaze72]

@Jo Piscine Did you really show that it was not racist? You just said 'African [sic] themselves to this day are very proud of their beliefs in witchcraft'. That's not showing anything. That is just stating something without any evidence. Even if it were substantiated, it doesnt negate the racism of his response - the phrase 'witch-hunt' originates from the medieval prosecution of 'witches' in western Europe. 'witch-hunts' (in the original meaning) wouldn't even *occur* in a society where witchcraft was practiced and believed in (because witches wouldn't be considered a bad thing). the instant association of 'witch-hunt' with 'African tribes' is the sign of a diseased racist mind. And your defence of him (along with your wild unsubstantiated generalisation) says a lot about you too

[@fgaze72]

@Jo Piscine anyway, OP didn't even say anything about racism. You brought that to the table.

[@fgaze72]

@Jo Piscine as far as I can see, the rise in witchcraft accusations in Africa seems to be due to christian preachers. and no, im not drunk, why do you keep trying to insult me? i understand the notion of implication, I'm just saying that OP didn't actually really imply she was talking about racism, there's loads of other things wrong with his response; it's ignoring the pragmatics of the interviewers use of 'witch-hunt' as a non-literal term, which is just bad discourse, for a start

[@fgaze72]

@Jo Piscine and anyway, your generalisation is still racist. none of the africans i know engage in these practices, you're making a blanket statement about a continent of 1 million people, with the implication that they are backward

[@kollusion1]

Who knew authoritarian, big brother, state controlling, was starting to develop this early?

[@pazza4555]

You're joking, right?

[@matthew1996]

This was in East Germany or West Germany?

[@markvolker1145]

West Deutschlands

[@dominicseanmccann6300]

Thames t.v.....wow i'm 10 again!

[@CamiciNera-17m]

😁

[@M80Ball]

I wish the guy had shown me one more hand signal for murder. I’m still not sure what he’s trying to tell us.

[@garyreid7865]

we get rubbish , on itv now

[@swedishboi3208]

how can people today like them??

[@swedishboi3208]

@Діма Базалюк they were terrorist and on the wrong side of history. They stood for nothing other than violence. They’re ideas should have died with them.

[@swedishboi3208]

@Діма Базалюк ok, so you’re still on the wrong side, well.. good luck with that crazy stuff.

[@swedishboi3208]

@Діма Базалюк hahaha are you really asking what is wrong with communism? You are funny without trying. Well, hopefully you won’t win but as I said, good luck!

[@swedishboi3208]

@Діма Базалюк Jesus Christ.. we spent the later half of the 1900’s fighting communism as the ultimate evil. The idea of communism should have died with Marx. You really need to read history books honestly. Communism at its core is evil no matter how you implement it. You probably have no life and want attention in these comments but I wish you luck with your life.

[@devorah935]

Just stop oil will become like this

[@Fanon1916]

Bro what 💀

[@CamiciNera-17m]

S.P.E.C.T.R.E brought me here.

[@helcap8499]

10:47 "what frightened me more...was the erection of the state"

[@KaunasKid-vv5xi]

hel cap what frightens me most is when the state has an erection. As for leftists, kill 'em all. They constitute wrongful life in the first place.

[@mj.l]

fuck off kid

[@christiannewaye7306]

hel cap he said “direction” not “erection”.

[@gabrielnunes4465]

Idk why all english reports looks like British Pathé to me

[@scoobydo-m1v]

what a shame they seem to have dropped this law, or don't apply it to modern day terrorists

[@ericwedin4154]

They should have been dumped in the sea

[@komrad510]

To whom are you referring too? The German government who murdered red Army Faction soldiers in their cells Red Army Faction soldiers are heroes to America anarchist!

[@tompor561]

@@komrad510 God bless them for taking out the Marxist trash

[@illusiveman1613]

@@komrad510 I really hope they were actually killed in jail because they deserved it

[@Wuchtamsel]

This is a hilarious, tendentious misrepresentation of the situation back then.

[@mironvitushka]

still waiting for a proper explanation

[@DK4Private]

Still waiting

[@zd1322]

Explain further or gtfo.

[@terryxperry]

They were pawns of stasi and Russia. To distable west Germany. They kidnapped people, robbery banks to finance terrorists. They are not heroes. Just people trying to use force and terrorist to get there way. The government of west Germany cracked down like they should have.

[@the_no_war_boys]

Hey guise, just go to East Germany.

[@Ingsoc75]

A few did and were given new lives by the Stasi.

[@bob8688]

A hero dies once a coward hundred times😎

[@eaglesfan226]

Germany’s IRA

[@W.Stryker]

And what I wouldn’t give to meet them face to face. Show them my rage for trying to kill my mother and father

[@elaovi]

@Wilson And?

[@elaovi]

@Wilson Ok they were terrorists. What’s the point of stating an objective observation? Are you trying to make a point?

[@eaglesfan226]

@Carl Jung Haven’t you read our Irish history? It was the IRA who won our independence from the Brits like the FLN won Algeria’s from the French.

[@georgemacpherson1992]

@@eaglesfan226 They didn't win in Northern Ireland where it went the other way round.

[@mac163]

part of Operation Gladio

[@иванепифан-к8ж]

@Franz Huber Und wer führte die "Subversion" in Deutschland vor der Russischen Revolution 1917 ?!Auch "Stalin" Und in den Zwanziger Jahren ?! AH ha ha :)).

[@Wuchtamsel]

Moron.

[@crocodiledundee8685]

13:00 imagine if someone said the same thing today. All hell would break loose, the poor man would be crucified as a supposed racist and he’ll probably lose his job. Oh, how we’ve changed.

[@asnowballinhell]

Very likely. But why even bring up Africa? He's a German in Germany.

[@crocodiledundee8685]

Asnowballinhell basically he is making a joke. What, do you now have to be in Africa to be allowed to make a joke about African people.

[@trenchantinsight]

@@asnowballinhell because he was being asked if it was a witch-hunt. Germans stopped believing in witches a long time ago and at the time of the interview (true still now) various places in Africa are some of the only places in the world where some people would have a witch-hunt in the sense of identifying people as witches and persecuting them.

[@phoenix.]

@@crocodiledundee8685 it's a racist joke made by low to mediocree intelect but funny to other casual racists. And in post WW2 Germany there were a lot of undercover Nazis in official places.

[@Saman.99]

Long live socialism 🚩🚩🚩

[@moviereviews1446]

Haha! Your wretched system collapsed 30 years ago, you lost!

[@Zopf-international]

The helicopter taking Gudrun Ensslin away with the word HATE on the side blows my fucking mind.

[@W.Stryker]

She deserved i!

[@FlorianMuellerB]

Eins Zwei Polizei

[@GriefTourist]

Horst Mahler though

[@leoblanc7805]

RAF members were heroes. Rest in peace

[@ludekosicka6540]

No, they were criminals. They are now burning in hell.

[@dlee3710]

They were arrogant assholes.

[@leoblanc7805]

@@dlee3710 not as arrogant as US air force generals that ordered the napalm/agent orange bombing of vietnam and Cambodia, and who are today retired and chilling somewhere on the east coast. RAF members fought to stop these war crimes. Should I remind you that 2 millions of vietnamese CIVILIANS died during Vietnam war ? US government is fascist and imperialist, it is by far the worst cancer on this fuckin planet... now dont tell me that a bunch of german guerrilleros that killed something like 50 ancient SS and GIs are worst than the US genocidal machine ...

[@XtreemMetalManRedToTheBone]

@@leoblanc7805 Germany didn't participate in the War in Vietnam.

[@crocodiledundee8685]

Léo Blanc so you think the ruthless bombing of innocent civilians in the name of an ideology that has killed more innocent people than the US is justified. By the way, the US isn’t fascist or imperialist you wanker. Why do you think fake news sites like CNN can get away with criticising Trump 24/7. As for imperialist, the only countries that you can claim are imperialist in 2019 is China (invading Tibet in 1950 and the Paracel and Spratly Islands in the South China Sea), Russia (invading Georgia in 2008, Crimea and Ukraine in 2014), Indonesia (invading West Papau in 1962), Turkey (invading northern Cypriot in 1974) and Morocco (invading the West Sahara in 1970).

[@johanakermyr1437]

The roots of german terrorism.. Hahahahahahaha, what about the roots of british imperalist terrorism? Please stop joking................

[@olivere5497]

Back when the left had balls and no identity politics.

[@peterbustin2683]

Dont worry. F. Merkel will come to your rescue !

[@christopherrichardwadedett4100]

Red army factions forming in America?

[@oceania2385]

Formed not forming

[@tovarisch7]

Слава RAF!🚩

[@francismuiruri9064]

13:03 not a member of African tribe. Lol i am.

[@DaL33T5]

16:53 Sad to see the Washington DC of 2021 isn't too dissimilar from the Bonn of 1977.

[@k.s.333]

You could say the same about the guy talking at 10:50. Many on the left wanted the so-called insurrection to be an excuse for a wholesale elimination of conservative politics.

[@loke5551]

deathisapreferablealternativetocommunism.jpeg

[@andreaziz5499]

FOLLOW ON RADIO KPFK LOSANGELES FREE SPEECH..SOURCE

[@wotan7830]

RAF FÜR ..... !

[@FakeNewsHunter]

Lies as always ...

[@skiptrailer7048]

free rudi dutschke

[@ibrosenkrantz4876]

He wozi In waffen SS llike my oncle eat that

[@48677]

?

[@raskltube]

f blm

[@toolongdidnotlisten355]

Enough of this Hebrew nonsense

[@GGGboi]

Subhuman collectivists. And they were treated as such.

[@elias560]

*heroes you bootlicking pos

[@johnhatchel9681]

Yes.