Germany's Secret Postwar Army - Schnez-Truppe 1949-53

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@Taco0718
@Taco0718 Жыл бұрын
Because of Dr. Felton, I've become obsessed with learning more about Cold War era East and West Germany, especially their militaries.
@DFisher-de1dw
@DFisher-de1dw Жыл бұрын
It's a very odd but fascinating time of transition from one polar opposite to the other, with a little grey area sprinkled in between the two sides. The societal aspect is really intriguing, I highly recommend looking at the cultural divide that was created and still persists in some part to this day. I know people in Germany who's older relatives will refuse to speak to people from "East" Germany and vice versa.
@alerojas2952
@alerojas2952 Жыл бұрын
Dr Felton is incredibly pathetic
@oemca1919
@oemca1919 Жыл бұрын
Watch Deutschland 83!!! Best tv show
@Taco0718
@Taco0718 Жыл бұрын
@@DFisher-de1dw sounds good will do.
@Taco0718
@Taco0718 Жыл бұрын
@oemca1919 I will check it out, thank you.
@skittlesandfriends5710
@skittlesandfriends5710 Жыл бұрын
I’m 58 years old and have reading about the Second World War since I was in elementary school, and I’m always excited to see Dr Feltons Videos, because I know that I’m in for a another amazing chapter from that Time Period.
@johnbaugh2437
@johnbaugh2437 Жыл бұрын
I’m 52 and feel the same. My son who is 16 loves history as well. He asked me the other day if I’ve heard of Felton. I laughed and said of course! We both have been watching this channel separately unknowingly
@vblake530530
@vblake530530 Жыл бұрын
Let me say what you just said another way. Dr. Felton is a MACHINE!!!
@ghostmanscores1666
@ghostmanscores1666 Жыл бұрын
Me too, I have Mark Felton so associated with WWII that I forget I'm actually older than him.
@dwightburns6699
@dwightburns6699 Жыл бұрын
p per se I'm 63 and Mark has been my historian the teaches me more than any class ever did all the best team Mark Felton
@toddsmith1617
@toddsmith1617 Жыл бұрын
Iam 60 and learning a lot more then I did in school. Thanks Mark.
@jerryellis8033
@jerryellis8033 Жыл бұрын
Mein Gott ! I'm 74 and have been studying WWII since I was a teenager! I've never heard of this secret army !! A real eye opener .Thanks to you , Mark Felton ! You're knowledge and impeccable research have and continue to contribute vastly to our knowledge of World War II ! KEEP up the great work ! Love your stuff !
@vinniethepuuh7553
@vinniethepuuh7553 Жыл бұрын
Ich studiere Geschichte (8. Semester) teilweise sogar mit Fokus auf dem direkten Nachspiel des 2. Weltkrieges. Und ich habe auch noch nie davon gehört! Werde ich auf jeden Fall mal in der Uni ansprechen. Greetings to all non-Germanspeakers und an die Verfasserin des Ursprungskommentars!
@RonaldoSerio7
@RonaldoSerio7 Жыл бұрын
Perfect comment! Agree 100%.
@lieninger
@lieninger Жыл бұрын
Ditto- although it brings to mind a German newsreel I saw back in the '60's where there were some civilians who were practicing tactical drills with full-up weaponry, equipment, trucks, and uniforms reportedly as a kind of militia against potential communist incursion. I thought it was just some local group of a few dozen who had bought all that stuff (although most of the participants seemed a bit young to have afforded all that) and I was thinking with that little group they'd been better off studying resistance type insurgency tactics than small unit-level field combat, but now I wonder if I'd glimpsed a bit of these guys training the upcoming generation?
@1987JohnMcClane1987
@1987JohnMcClane1987 Жыл бұрын
I also didn't know this army as a german who is interested in german history for over 20 years now. That's a really outstanding information!
@rambo6048
@rambo6048 Жыл бұрын
why mention god, what has he got to do with this?
@sebastiangeller8637
@sebastiangeller8637 Жыл бұрын
A video of what happened to the East German forces after the reunification in 1990, as well as their weaponry and equipment would be interesting to see. I believe not too many of them were allowed to join the newly reunified German forces.
@chadkarr7394
@chadkarr7394 Жыл бұрын
Most were integrated into the new Bundeswehr, from the amalgamation of both nations. However, much of the equipment was sold, and many former East German troops were disbanded, allowing only a certain amount to stay. I read up on this, and that's all I was able to ascertain. I FULLY agree with you, that a video indepth on this would be excellent
@selfdo
@selfdo Жыл бұрын
Mark's already done a video of the raising of the DDR "Volksarmee", which the Soviets staffed with officers from the WW2-era "Committee for a Free Germany", made of officers that expressed pro-Soviet sympathies (or simply felt their career prospects, or even the prospect of surviving captivity, would be enhanced thereof). They mainly used leftover Wehrmacht equipment but later, once the Warsaw Pact was set up, were re-equipped and re-organized along Soviet Army doctrines and tables of organization. What's interesting is that, in general, the DDR NVA got the "latest and greatest" of what the Soviets produced, as their capabilities seemed far better than most of the other Eastern European nations.
@realQuiGon
@realQuiGon Жыл бұрын
@@chadkarr7394 "Most" is quite far off. Actually only a very small percentage of former East German soldiers were accepted into the Bundeswehr.
@chadkarr7394
@chadkarr7394 Жыл бұрын
@@selfdo I've seen that one, it was great
@wayneantoniazzi2706
@wayneantoniazzi2706 Жыл бұрын
@@chadkarr7394 I concur, a video concerning "What ever happened too..." about the East German forces would be most interesting. I could be wrong, but I believe most enlisted men of the NVA were almalgamated if they chose to stay in uniform and company-grade officers were allowed to stay as well, but field grade officers and higher were discharged. Since then there's been a major draw-down of the Bundeswehr which had led to some recent controversy.
@aeliusromanus9338
@aeliusromanus9338 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Felton digs up histories and happenings we'd never found anywhere else.
@nodarkthings
@nodarkthings Жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@motog4-75
@motog4-75 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I wonder how he does it............
@divebomb99
@divebomb99 Жыл бұрын
Albert Schnez. To think of the changes this man witnessed in his lifetime is somewhat staggering. WWI. The rise and rule of the NSDAP. The hell of WWII. The fall and destruction of his country. The literal division of his country. The wall. The Cold War. The fall of the wall and the Soviet Union. Atomic weapons. German reunification. The rise of modern technology. So much more. Amazing.
@jockmazza
@jockmazza Жыл бұрын
Yep. Not everyone knows it was the national socialist German Workers Party .. as in "Nazi". I studied ss.. algemeine, Totenkopf and Waffen (Armed) and the various early years HQ Staff, ss-vt, cristal nacht and more
@akiimo389
@akiimo389 10 ай бұрын
@@jockmazza Everybody knows their name but its irrelevant since they werent for workers or socialists it was just a name to capture these voters. A topic that has been thouroughly covered.
@davejones5745
@davejones5745 21 күн бұрын
​@@jockmazza it was a Socialist party but different to the meaning we associate with socialism today.
@evilchaosboy
@evilchaosboy Жыл бұрын
Wow! It's fairly amazing when you can tell 1 friend a secret and they will keep it completely. It's absolutely astonishing that 40,000 men kept a secret completely from a nation! What a swell show!! \m/
@JesusChristDenton
@JesusChristDenton Жыл бұрын
government secrets are srs bsns
@mikeblair2594
@mikeblair2594 Жыл бұрын
I seriously doubt that anyone cared at that point. Its the type of thing that is an open secret. As long as there's plausible deniability I'm sure they would have been useful to the powers that be.
@catiline1
@catiline1 Жыл бұрын
Yeah you don't think these 40000 plus army will brag to people or tell their families that there is a secret army in place in case of WW3 breaking out lol No one cared or at least their concerns were alleviated to know west Germany will defend itself.
@christopherholder9925
@christopherholder9925 Жыл бұрын
@@mikeblair2594 Exactly; there is no way, with the number of people indicated, this effort was actually unknown. Even to the USSR. Obviously, not everything about it, but definitely the bare bones of it at the very least. The only real question is why the Soviets might not have revealed this-perhaps it was thought better to keep this operation untouched, while keeping an eye on it, rather than exposing it and having it shut down, which would naturally reveal Soviet penetration and the loss of an ongoing source of information.
@Inception1338
@Inception1338 Жыл бұрын
​@@christopherholder9925they didnt comabt Germany to defeat Hitler. They installed and funded him. By the time the allied had taken control of Western europe, arming Germany and creating NATO couldn't go fast enough. The chief of Staff of Hitler also became chief of staff of NATO.
@Edescho
@Edescho Жыл бұрын
What an astonishing treasure trove of untold stories this channel is. Absolutely remarkable.
@michae8jackson378
@michae8jackson378 Жыл бұрын
I have studied WWII pretty well. Never heard of this before. I lived in Germany 13 years. Makes one wonder what else was not known. Thank you Prof Felton, as always such great information!
@heribertfassbender5759
@heribertfassbender5759 Жыл бұрын
There was a feature series of 4 episodes on ARD about that topic: Alte Freunde, neue Feinde. Based on historic events, with dramatization of certain aspects.
@michae8jackson378
@michae8jackson378 Жыл бұрын
@@heribertfassbender5759 is it available here on YT? I speak German
@kevinpittman2517
@kevinpittman2517 Жыл бұрын
lots is not known
@leoe.5046
@leoe.5046 Жыл бұрын
​@@michae8jackson378probably not on yt but only in the "ARD Mediathek"... You might need a vpn tunnel to germany to access the videos on their website though
@shaheeralikhan9561
@shaheeralikhan9561 Жыл бұрын
You've only studied ally powers part of wwII
@meijiturtle3814
@meijiturtle3814 Жыл бұрын
Extremely interesting. I think we were all aware of the gendarmerie and border guards but the "secret army" is a surprise. Kudos to Mark Felton.
@willmartin7293
@willmartin7293 Жыл бұрын
This story makes perfect sense. In any society that feels its safety is at risk, there are going to be men who will organize to whatever extent necessary to counter the threat and do it clandestinely if required.
@timothy2431
@timothy2431 Жыл бұрын
It's happening in the United States as we speak.....
@stevef8606
@stevef8606 Жыл бұрын
@@timothy2431 Based on please? We read all the QAnon stuff after the election. Every military movement becomes 'its happening'
@sync9847
@sync9847 11 ай бұрын
​@@timothy2431Go back to your basement man.
@josepsamarrafarre
@josepsamarrafarre Жыл бұрын
I am still blown away when thinking how it's still possible for Dr. Felton to find AGAIN a new superinteresting but obscure topic to make a video of. I truly believe that this man never sleeps...
@chevelle1
@chevelle1 Жыл бұрын
I don’t comment much, but Mark is always reminding me that no matter how much I thought I knew about WW2, I am light years behind others. Thanks Mark for your knowledge and tireless work ethic to tell these stories and educate us. There are so many great YT history channels, but yours stands above all others. I appreciate your diligence in verifying facts and your non biased approach to these events. Long time viewer of yours and have never sensed a bias or agenda in your work. Also, please don’t ever change your video intro. This one you’ve had for a couple years now is perfect. It’s relaxing and stimulating in a weird way.
@nickymaz05
@nickymaz05 Жыл бұрын
One thing I really appreciate about Dr. Felton is how well he pronounces German names, words etc. Another outstanding video!
@utpharmboy2006
@utpharmboy2006 Жыл бұрын
loved the gentlemen taking off the hats and the officers saluting them around 2:30
@ThePainterr
@ThePainterr Жыл бұрын
Schnez is a true patriot and son of Germany. So glad men of his initiative and calibre existed. So too of all those that joined and supported him.
@waltie1able
@waltie1able Жыл бұрын
Mr. Felton, my father was a tech sergeant in the US Army working directly for General Lucuis Clay, Chief of the US Army in Berlin in 1948. My father attended meetings with General Clay being present. I have ancient photos. My dad told me that General Clay stated that nothing was as bad and or as horrible as the Soviets. My dad met my German mother in Berlin back then.
@Smudgeroon74
@Smudgeroon74 Жыл бұрын
@waltie1able the so called Allies were just as bad as the Soviet Union. The Rhineland camps is a case in point. May 1945 to 1947 prisoners were held with very little food...
@geraldbradner5801
@geraldbradner5801 Жыл бұрын
The “so called Allies” 😂
@mikeblair2594
@mikeblair2594 Жыл бұрын
@@Smudgeroon74 Rootin for the Russians are we?
@jean6872
@jean6872 Жыл бұрын
@@Smudgeroon74 It is true that German prisoners of the Americans at war's end was criminal in nature due to restriction of food in particular. Contrary to international law, even German civilians aged 14-65 in the U.S. occupation zone of Germany were registered for compulsory labor, under threat of prison and starvation. (General Clay's Allied Control Law No. 3 of February 17, 1946)
@LiftOffLife
@LiftOffLife Жыл бұрын
We fought the wrong enemy. The small hat tribe is forcing Clownworld on you now. Follow the money...who controls the worlds money supply, start your eyes being opened there.
@-.Steven
@-.Steven Жыл бұрын
When I click on a Mark Felton video, I simply click like immediately, before Mark even says a word. There's no need to watch it first, you already know it's going to be good, and time we'll spent! Never a disappointment!
@raziel8321
@raziel8321 Жыл бұрын
As a German, it is always interesting to see how pragmatic and goal-oriented our grandparents led the country back then. Today, on the other hand, we have people who are only administrators, who work strictly according to regulations for fear of responsibility. Millions of regulations that try to consider every conceivable case and make everything impossible. Then roads are not built because the sidewalk is 2cm too narrow. And instead of changing something, they work on projects with which managers can distinguish themselves morally, but which do not bring any practical use
@pierremainstone-mitchell8290
@pierremainstone-mitchell8290 Жыл бұрын
I think that this type ("administrators") exist all over the world! We certainly have them here in Australia and we were on the other side!
@raziel8321
@raziel8321 Жыл бұрын
@@pierremainstone-mitchell8290 Yes, there are definitely people like that everywhere. But I can't imagine that there are many countries where it is as extreme as in Germany. The administration here is already extreme, and a system that creates new administration to feed itself. Everything goes around in circles and consumes billions of euros without achieving any result. and the employees in this system go along with it as long as they benefit financially and have secure work. Nobody wants to make important decisions and take the risk. So everyone just works according to the rules in the book. And every few weeks an attempt is made to cover even more eventualities with even more rules so that no one really has to think and decide free. And in the end, thousands of authorities and administrations but no one feels responsible or works properly with another authority. There was once a time when Germany was successful because it had a functioning administration, while chaos still reigned in other countries. But today other countries work efficiently and towards a goal, while in Germany administration has become a fetish.
@Distracted_Productions
@Distracted_Productions Жыл бұрын
@@raziel8321 2nd gen German in America, from what I heard from my own elders, it's a good thing. America is free for fall, and the bottom line for education at the public level is finding a new bottom line every decade or so. The freedom of business, and property ownership is great, but if you are somewhere in the middle or dumb, it's hard to make it in America to take advantage of those freedoms. I'm very blessed to be born into some knowledge that benefits society, but the majority unfortunately are not.
@750triton
@750triton Жыл бұрын
Bureaucrats will always find work for more bureaucrats
@freedomloverusa3030
@freedomloverusa3030 Жыл бұрын
@@Distracted_Productions a part of America is in free fall, not all of America.
@Dionaea_floridensis
@Dionaea_floridensis Жыл бұрын
Super fascinating as always Dr. Felton! Thank you for your hard work!
@lexploresoutdoor6938
@lexploresoutdoor6938 Жыл бұрын
Man merkt wie sehr du dir mühe gibst die deutschen Wörter zu sprechen. Super Video! Grüße aus Deutschland!
@dustylover100
@dustylover100 Жыл бұрын
The stuff he sends us on a nearly daily basis is nothing short of brilliant.
@Hairnicks
@Hairnicks Жыл бұрын
You never fail to amaze me with the fascinating information you impart, your research is impecable, you content educational and the entertainment first class. Without history we cannot understand the present or the future. You help us in that way.
@jlqe3401
@jlqe3401 Жыл бұрын
Ill admit I found this piece of history heartwarming in a way. As in, General Schenz did succeed not only in helping rebuild one of Germany's core institutions, but also in helping veterans get jobs and purpose after the war. And after everything came through, he kept everything he knew secret, being content with the fact that the plan worked. It speaks volumes about the German veterans, and the German society in general, that even after being defeated, they didn't just lie down, but they indeed sought to rebuild with the same discipline and tenacity they once showed in combat.
@808bigisland
@808bigisland Жыл бұрын
German Rearmament is well documented.
@TheMudworm
@TheMudworm Жыл бұрын
Also it ssems there was at least an effort to keep the worst nazis out.
@cleightorres3841
@cleightorres3841 Жыл бұрын
heartwarming? you must have something seriously wrong with you these men were complicit with germanys genocide of jews slavs and others i submit that you are more likely a heartless german
@tavish4699
@tavish4699 10 ай бұрын
whatsa nazi anyway? is it the guy who joins the party as a pssive member so he can actually achieve something in such a society ? or is it only the guy who really is believing into the idiology and openly shows it? @@TheMudworm
@61diemai
@61diemai Жыл бұрын
As a German being interested in history I did not know this. Thanks a lot, Dr. Felton.
@paulkoza8652
@paulkoza8652 Жыл бұрын
Wow. This was a good one. It reminds me of the secret German Bundsbank bunker in Cochem that I visited last fall while in Germany. I have to applaud Schnez for taking much of the secrets of this division to his grave. Not many people today know how to keep their mouths shut.
@carlmontney7916
@carlmontney7916 Жыл бұрын
Another awesome home run video! Dr. Felton. It never ceases to amaze me how much more I learn from watching your videos. Your channel is by far one of the best sources of historical information on the Internet. I always learn something I never knew before.
@henrikmelder379
@henrikmelder379 10 ай бұрын
Again Dr. Felton has realized how many historians have flown over without noticing anything. Where you are getting your information from must be great. And the way you present the story is one of the most exciting and educational. Keep up the good work so that posterity can get the right impression of what happened back then. Thanks for good programs.
@StevenKeery
@StevenKeery Жыл бұрын
I couldn't help smiling at the thought of a secret army in Germany, following the war. Since so many high-ranking German Officers were involved in positions of authority in post- war Germany. They were the ones with the experience and the connections. As in other countries, it would be from these groups that the new Governments would evolve.
@utpharmboy2006
@utpharmboy2006 Жыл бұрын
how the hell does Dr. Felton keep finding this amazing stuff ive never heard about!? many thanks!!! 🇺🇸
@TheKulu42
@TheKulu42 Жыл бұрын
I can always count on Dr. Felton to share military history that I never knew about. It's amazing how those German veterans created a secret army and actually kept it secret.
@wayneantoniazzi2706
@wayneantoniazzi2706 Жыл бұрын
I can't hep but wonder if a lot of those German veterans remembering the formation of the Polish Home Army after the fall in 1939 and how it was kept secret until they rose in 1944 might have thought: "Hey! If the Poles could do it we can do it too!" Great video Doctor Felton! There's some great Cold War stories unknown to us, thanks for finding them!
@robertshepherd8543
@robertshepherd8543 Жыл бұрын
Self defense. When nobody would help Israel, they turned to the black market for weapons, and communist Czechoslovakia, and France. Britain was being jerks for a while, and the USA was afraid of criticism. In Germany's case, Berlin was very vulnerable, and Stalin was being a Bully.
@jaws666
@jaws666 Жыл бұрын
Now THIS is something the so called "history channel" would NEVER cover
@Iauchmitschlauch
@Iauchmitschlauch Жыл бұрын
tbf it wasnt made public that long ago. The historychannel just relplays the same 3 topics
@jaws666
@jaws666 Жыл бұрын
@@Iauchmitschlauch and thats my piont...its the same reguriatted documentries over and over again...i dont need to hear the story of the battle of britan for the 50th million time...and if that channel had ACTUAL and REAL historians they should have been able to uncover this,after all Dr Felton did and its not like he has the advantage and budget of a television station to support his work.
@bevinboulder5039
@bevinboulder5039 Жыл бұрын
It's amazing that organization was kept so secret for so long.
@milferdjones2573
@milferdjones2573 Жыл бұрын
Probably an open secret. Sort of like cracking the German Enigma devices was known to all American Papers by the end of the war but no one discussed this for a good while after the war. Everyone who learned the secret went good idea to not share it.
@808bigisland
@808bigisland Жыл бұрын
German rearmament is well documented. The Bundeswehr, Lw and Marine are legal tender of Hitlers forces. Same people too. The Bundeswehr and Luftwaffe was a very formidable and experienced force right from the beginning and knew how to fight the Soviet threat. The GDR built their forces with WW2 veterans. A European war was problematic because the Germans would probably refused to fight other Germans, and, thus was averted.
@jeffjohnson3780
@jeffjohnson3780 Жыл бұрын
I was stationed at Rhein-main airbase 1973 -77 it’s runways were shared with the Frankfurt airport. The chapel had a huge round Stainglass window with the scene, visualizing swallow, birds, bringing supplies to Berlin to support them after the war. Yours after I had left, they memorialized a C 46 or maybe C 47 for Rhein-mains assistance in the Berlin airlift
@wolfgangwust5883
@wolfgangwust5883 Жыл бұрын
They have both C-47 and C-54 on display. I always pass them en route on Autobahn A5. Btw. In the seventies, as a little boy I walked through a Lockheed Galaxy during Open Days at Rhein-Main Airbase. Warm regards from Frankfurt.
@manuelsteiner9480
@manuelsteiner9480 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm from Frankfurt and the 2 Douglas airplanes are really iconic when you enter Frankfurt through the Autobahn. Just behind them there is also an event location now, where you got a great view on the whole airport scenery. I sometimes work there as a student job and it's the coolest spot I know
@thedangler8273
@thedangler8273 Жыл бұрын
THIS IS ANOTHER CERTIFIED MARK FELTON CLASSIC
@jonclassical2024
@jonclassical2024 Жыл бұрын
All peoples should have a right to defend themselves, Schnez saw a grave danger in the Warsaw Pact forces and moved to make ready until the allied forces woke up to the Cold War.....excellent topic Dr. Felton!
@jean6872
@jean6872 Жыл бұрын
It would be better if disputes could be resolved diplomatically rather than through violence. All children have a right to grow up in peace.
@josephpadula2283
@josephpadula2283 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it would be better. Now explain that to the Polish after Hitler attacked, Finland after Stalin attacked, and Ukraine after Putin attacked …
@jonathanwilliams1065
@jonathanwilliams1065 Жыл бұрын
All peoples and all people
@BasementEngineer
@BasementEngineer Жыл бұрын
@@josephpadula2283 Read "Polish Atrocities Against the German Minority in Poland".
@martinwarner1178
@martinwarner1178 Жыл бұрын
@@BasementEngineer You got it in one. Felton would not do a slot on that one!
@billmalone5050
@billmalone5050 9 ай бұрын
I love watching these videos because I learn about and discover new chapters of history that I would never get exposed to anywhere else.
@George-romanul1918
@George-romanul1918 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Thank you Dr. Felton!
@fancyultrafresh3264
@fancyultrafresh3264 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Felton, thank you as always for finding bits of history that are lost to many students of it.
@bohuslavhumplik6744
@bohuslavhumplik6744 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding episode. Your in depth research is amazing!
@jobaecker9752
@jobaecker9752 10 ай бұрын
My father was 16 in 1945 and had been training in the Glider Reconnaissance Corps at war's end. I hadn't heard anything about Schneztruppe from him. He's 95 and still around, so I guess that will be our next conversation.. Thanks to Mark Felton for another batch of incredibly interesting information.
@Jermster_91
@Jermster_91 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating how the old veterans took up the call to defend Germany once again in the event things had gone south.
@stefanmolnapor910
@stefanmolnapor910 Жыл бұрын
MEN
@openwheela
@openwheela Жыл бұрын
They didn't defend Germany in WW2, they were eventually pushed back into defense in what they had started as a pure war of aggression and expansion.
@mrwhips3623
@mrwhips3623 Жыл бұрын
​@@openwheelawhat a load of Jewish propaganda. They attacked Poland to recover land that was taken from them in WW1. Which is why the Allies declared war on him
@motog4-75
@motog4-75 Жыл бұрын
@jermster17 what do you mean by once again? & Had things gone south? No one attacked them pre 1939, they were on the attack. Nothing went south for them other than a poor economy because they had just fought ww1 ...........................
@MrGamer21
@MrGamer21 Жыл бұрын
Again?
@vinrico6704
@vinrico6704 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding.... I dont always agree with your opinions but the facts are always solid. And really its the only reason I watch, the little tid bits are simply amazing. Thank you.
@RobertKubas
@RobertKubas Жыл бұрын
Thank you Mark. I had A good chuckle about hearing that the German veterans formed there own army. And the allies were completely oblivious to it.
@sijul6483
@sijul6483 Жыл бұрын
Would not be the only time either, the Western Allies were quite oblivious to quite a few things back then.
@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry
@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry Жыл бұрын
​@@sijul6483Yes. Wilfully oblivious.
@mebymyself2816
@mebymyself2816 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr Felton, it is amazing the information you manage to ferret out, and put into these productions.
@philipbrowne7620
@philipbrowne7620 Жыл бұрын
Incredible story. I was living in the old East Berlin in 1993. Got to know some of the history lecturers from Humboldt University, they used to like to practice their English over a beer. Heard this story from one of them and also a veteran German soldier who survived the eastern front. I don’t know if Dr Felton can confirm this from his sources but I heard that the allies only found out about this much later on in the 1980s? The allies were astounded.
@aroncells3120
@aroncells3120 Жыл бұрын
The way you pronounce the former WW2 German generasl name plus unit and rank makes these videos so authentic. Thanks mark yet again
@IvorMektin1701
@IvorMektin1701 Жыл бұрын
That explains some of weapons caches we found in the eighties. Like grease guns in buried crates with panzerfausts, covered in wax paper and cosmoline.
@stevef8606
@stevef8606 Жыл бұрын
but the Germans also had stay behind territorial units in the event of a Cold War
@thewaterdrop123
@thewaterdrop123 Жыл бұрын
most likely Werwolf caches. the Nazis planned to keep fighting for ever like Afghanistan and hid weapons in germany
@IvorMektin1701
@IvorMektin1701 Жыл бұрын
@@thewaterdrop123 No, M3 Grease Guns with Panzerfausts. These were definitely postwar.
@IvorMektin1701
@IvorMektin1701 Жыл бұрын
@@stevef8606 There was a Cold War going on.
@thewaterdrop123
@thewaterdrop123 Жыл бұрын
@@IvorMektin1701 yeah. And no. The Werwolf did on purpose use some allied weapons because they would be easier to maintain in an insurgency
@FZD173
@FZD173 11 ай бұрын
Aint no one do it likes Mark Felton
@curtisdaniel9294
@curtisdaniel9294 Жыл бұрын
Yes, this was something new for me to learn. But Not exactly unexpected as I am sure the Allies would easily have welcomed another 40 000 troops had they needed them. Thanks again, Dr Felton, for another fascinating story!
@milferdjones2573
@milferdjones2573 Жыл бұрын
Probably an open seriet to top Allied leaders in a few years but no need to actually point it out to anyone as they were clearly only interested in defending Germany vs Warsaw pact. .
@Ronnie_McDoggle
@Ronnie_McDoggle Жыл бұрын
I don't understand why anyone would dislike your videos
@charleskiel2299
@charleskiel2299 Жыл бұрын
Another great video Dr Felton. You have a magnificent gift of teaching sir.
@Articulate99
@Articulate99 Жыл бұрын
Always interesting, thank you.
@danielnewman134
@danielnewman134 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this very interesting story. You illuminate many stories that we normally would never happened. Great job.
@nodarkthings
@nodarkthings Жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating, Dr. Felton. Thank you.
@jasonrodgers9063
@jasonrodgers9063 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Felton never fails to put forth excellent, informative videos! Thanks! I've learned so much stuff that I wouldn't have even known to ask about!
@nanorider426
@nanorider426 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. ^^
@juanzulu1318
@juanzulu1318 Жыл бұрын
German here. Never heard about this. Thanks, Mark. Super interesting!
@Marco187Polo
@Marco187Polo Жыл бұрын
me too 👍🏻
@cptcalico2
@cptcalico2 Жыл бұрын
Deeply fascinating. I thought I knew somewhat of early postwar Germany and yet this force is completely new to me.
@mikewinston8709
@mikewinston8709 Жыл бұрын
I’m 68….former 24 year army type. I had never heard of this. Extraordinarily erudite research….🇬🇧
@diethardnowag9545
@diethardnowag9545 Жыл бұрын
Very impressive to hear about a group of brave men who bridged the German security gap until the formal army came in place. Chapeau! ...and thanks, Prof. Felton for this revelation. Though very interested and involved with history matters, this was totally unknown to me...
@victorbeauvois
@victorbeauvois Жыл бұрын
Always a treasure trove of history and facts great content
@joeeagles7528
@joeeagles7528 Жыл бұрын
Amazing story. Never knew that. Thanks. Learned something new.
@The_Republic_of_Ireland
@The_Republic_of_Ireland Жыл бұрын
Now this is gonna be interesting
@feefreyer8506
@feefreyer8506 Жыл бұрын
Das what im thinking
@HK-pp9ig
@HK-pp9ig Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@cior8837
@cior8837 Жыл бұрын
Great Content again from the great Dr. Mark Felton! thanks again for all the historical work you do!
@amartin4423
@amartin4423 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Felton is the best historian I know!
@cgross82
@cgross82 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating! I was stationed in Frankfurt a/M with the U.S. Third Armored Division Band, 1975-77. I was very interested in military history and curious about the Bundeswehr and its beginnings, but I had never heard of this secret army until watching your video, Mark! Once again, you have scored a historical coup! ;)
@barryfletcher7136
@barryfletcher7136 Жыл бұрын
This is the first I have ever heard of the "secret" German forces. Amazing.
@Thereisalwaysmore
@Thereisalwaysmore Жыл бұрын
This is why I love history Thank you Mr. Felton
@RonaldoSerio7
@RonaldoSerio7 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding research work! Dr. Felton keeps surprising us with his excellent videos even when we think we knew enough about a subject.
@marcoantoniodelarasilva1516
@marcoantoniodelarasilva1516 Жыл бұрын
I want to congratulate Dr. Mark Felton for his impeccable way of exposing and explaining the history of a crucial time of humanity as it was the twentieth century. I hope you will consider making a compendium of the chronicles of the Second World War. And my greatest respects and my best greetings to you, from an Auslander am Mexiko, who all, absolutely all your family lived that conflict directly, both on the military side and on the civilian side.
@briannicholas2757
@briannicholas2757 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr. Felton. We always learn something meaningful from your presentations, and your narrative style is very captivating. For those who haven't read any of your books, I highly recommend them. You writing style matches your presentation style so it never feels like reading some dry history tome.
@PuckDudesHockey
@PuckDudesHockey Жыл бұрын
I have to think that somehow this must have become known to at least a few U.S. or UK representatives at the time, and that they would have quietly sat on the information. Everyone would have known that allowing the formation of the Bundeswehr was only a matter of time, and the idea that that was quietly starting to happen would have likely been seen as a good thing (albeit perhaps with great caution at first). But certainly not something that would have gone down well in the press at the time. I wonder if it might have been in the category of "we're okay with it as long as you don't talk about it publicly".
@LTPottenger
@LTPottenger Жыл бұрын
Due to national security press is not really free. This would definitely fall under that and so could many other things.
@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry
@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry Жыл бұрын
They just had to wait until the Americans could provide them with Forest Green uniforms and M1 helmets.
@milferdjones2573
@milferdjones2573 Жыл бұрын
@@LTPottenger Press knew the German Enigma machines were cracked by end of war but never published till secret officially ended decades later. No major reason to reveal something the public would not want revealed.
@nepe1282
@nepe1282 Жыл бұрын
Top Quality Content ! ! ! ! ! Thank You Mark Felton ! ! ! 👍
@Cohen.the.Worrier
@Cohen.the.Worrier Жыл бұрын
We'll never know how this _army_ would have performed on the field, or if it was a army on paper only. Either way, another interesting vid Mr. Felton.
@Jreb1865
@Jreb1865 Жыл бұрын
Pretty well I would think, considering the pool they were drawing from. I doubt there were too many volunteer cowards...
@Cohen.the.Worrier
@Cohen.the.Worrier Жыл бұрын
@@Jreb1865An army is more than the heroes fighting at the front. An army needs to be lead, it's efforts coordinated with other units fighting on your side, they need to be supplied . . .
@Jreb1865
@Jreb1865 Жыл бұрын
@@Cohen.the.Worrier Whatever you say...
@tavish4699
@tavish4699 10 ай бұрын
they would have fought like the partisans they themselves had faced, only that they would have worn uniforms unlike the other cowards.....
@concept5631
@concept5631 4 ай бұрын
A for effort, at least.
@TTULangGenius
@TTULangGenius Жыл бұрын
It's always a treat to see a new Mark Felton video pop up in my feed! I love the amount of detail and loving care you put into your work! ❤❤❤
@peterpeterson4800
@peterpeterson4800 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the Freikorps, various volunteer and veteran miltias throught German history. They existed from the Napoleonic wars through the Weimar Republic. The Nazis also had a plan for a guerilla troop called Werwolf that should continue to fight behind enemy lines after Germany was defeated, but nothing much came of this plan. Interesting to see that something similar was set up in secret after the war in case of a Soviet invasion. The link to Otto Skorzeny is really interesting, as he was charged with training the partisan fighters of this Werwolf program. It's really interesting to speculate what would have happened if history went a bit different and the cold war went hot at various points in time. What would east or west German soldiers have done, when ordered to fight against their German brothers? What role would the Schnez-Truppe have played? etc. I never heared about the Schnez-Truppe before, very interesting stuff, great video!
@daryllamonaco3102
@daryllamonaco3102 Жыл бұрын
Who would think or know about this? only Dr. Felton, the best!
@avian68tb
@avian68tb Жыл бұрын
I can definitely see why West Germany was keen on raising a military considering the constant Soviet sabre rattling.
@nathandeal9703
@nathandeal9703 Жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, it’s videos like this that keep me coming back Dr Felton. Any chance you could do a video about the German veterans that served in the First Indo China war?
@L1V2P9
@L1V2P9 Жыл бұрын
A lot of willful blindness was likely exhibited during these years, as any German who caught wind of this organization would view it with a sigh of relief knowing that at least some Germans are endeavoring to protect the nation.
@bengreen6980
@bengreen6980 Жыл бұрын
Captivating as ever Dr Felton, thank you.
@christophlima7982
@christophlima7982 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like an early "Stay behind" Troop. @markfeltonproductions maybe a topic for a video: western Stay-behind-Organisations & Gladio? ❤
@williamhernandez3201
@williamhernandez3201 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Very interesting. There's a great documentary from the BBC 1992. That I found on here about the Italian Gladio.
@hackney7106
@hackney7106 Жыл бұрын
As ever Mark, fantastic stuff!!👍👍🦘🦘🦘🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
@Man0fkulture
@Man0fkulture Жыл бұрын
I really love the Post-war Armed forces of West Germany due to the Mixture of WWII weapons and US uniforms.
@RayyTunes
@RayyTunes Жыл бұрын
You did it again Mr.Felton!👏
@andreasschrader6925
@andreasschrader6925 Жыл бұрын
There where many underground groups/organizations/organized veterans some managed by anticommunists or secret/intelligence services of the allies. They all didn’t trust the Eastside of Germany/Europe and wanted to be prepared in case of need. Still many story’s to share, hope you will have an eye at this storyline at both sides of Germany/Europe As every time good job from you and your team.
@jean6872
@jean6872 Жыл бұрын
The western countries and the rump of the Third Reich as a demilitarized BRD carried on the Nazis anti Bolshevik stance as a Cold War after WWII. The DDR considered itself as representing the German socialist and communist tradition or those Germans who resisted fascism during Hitler's rule before WWII, naming regiments of their Volksarmee in honor of Rosa Luxemburg, Ernst Thälmann, etc.
@cmciaranmasterson
@cmciaranmasterson Жыл бұрын
Fair play to you, Dr Felton. I've been interested in World War 2 since childhood but I never heard of the Wehrmacht generals that you mentioned in this documentary until now.
@philippschwartzerdt3431
@philippschwartzerdt3431 Жыл бұрын
Schnetz never discussed the forming of a secret army. And so did some 40,000 men, given the fact that it was found out officially only in 2014. Maybe same as Christopher Lee, he Knew how to keep a secret. Something unimaginable today to have 40,000 men not blasting it all over the social media for some 5 min of fame.
@tomhenry897
@tomhenry897 Жыл бұрын
Hand picked More a list of names then anything else Like the IRR
@stevef8606
@stevef8606 Жыл бұрын
@@tomhenry897 sounds more like that than an actually army that did any covert training etc
@MsPaintMr
@MsPaintMr 11 ай бұрын
Exactly. 40,000 men and, to our knowledge, not a single one let the secret out even years after it was disbanded after having too much to drink. The past is a different country.
@tavish4699
@tavish4699 10 ай бұрын
training for what? you think 6 years of war arent training enough? those guy went through hell and were ready for more @@stevef8606
@tavish4699
@tavish4699 10 ай бұрын
sure they probably did, but nobody listens to that guy who sits drunk in the bar every day@@MsPaintMr
@petergreenwald9639
@petergreenwald9639 Жыл бұрын
I always learn something new. And like another commenter, I have been reading history books about the European and Pacific theaters since the late 1960s. Thank you.
@ARIXANDRE
@ARIXANDRE Жыл бұрын
Amazing video. It always comes back to having a strong Germany as a bulwark against the USSR.
@donaldedward4951
@donaldedward4951 Жыл бұрын
AND HITLER TOOK OVER STALIN'S JOB OF KILLING PEOPLE
@checktheskies5040
@checktheskies5040 Жыл бұрын
Felton is the man. Great content 👍
@chuckkottke
@chuckkottke Жыл бұрын
State of mind. What do you do when you overtake the enemy, but confront a blob of the USSR, which really should be called Russia, run by Stalin? Enlist the best, already ready to serve their country, even if they had a terrible past. It's pragmatic, but for the old guard patriotic, for the Germans under the old command generally favored the West as opposed to Stalin's machine. History makes strange bedfellows, that's for sure!! Thank you Mark for this fascinating episode of history that fills in the gaps of knowledge. 📚 🗣️ 😉
@stevef8606
@stevef8606 Жыл бұрын
though it sounds more like a paper structure that would be activated rather than a covert standing force like those that existed say in 1914 Ireland where loyalist and nationalist units drilled and had uniforms etc
@lmelton78
@lmelton78 Жыл бұрын
Excellent content! It's also very refreshing to hear a WWII History commentator who can properly pronounce the German proper nouns...
@johndenugent4185
@johndenugent4185 Жыл бұрын
I don't get how an army of 40,000 men can be kept a secret....unless it is an open secret.
@johndenugent4185
@johndenugent4185 11 ай бұрын
Years before the Bundeswehr (1955) the Cold War was already on -- and in Korea (where my father was a Marine Corp infantry officer) it was actually a very hot war. Governments often let things happen without officially endorsing them.
@e.foster1284
@e.foster1284 Жыл бұрын
They say "learn something new every day". On this channel, I always do. Thank you!
@mattw785
@mattw785 Жыл бұрын
Great video. The attention to detail is great!
@toddewire13
@toddewire13 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting mark thank you so much!
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