Get in, loser. We're gonna go make up a genre.

[@smashism]

Thanks for shouting out in/Humanity and Guyana Punch Line

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Thanks for the incredible music.

[@secretsoftware]

I love Chris. Cant wait for the new movie your dropping soon! SMASHISM FOREVER.

[@lolafred320]

This channel absolutely rules!!! Thank you for what you do!!!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

You're welcome. It's a lot of fun to put these together.

[@GGfunhouse]

Great stuff! I feel like when I watch your channel it's like watching a history channel for underground hardrore or extreme metal. I believe Heroin had a record store day release last year which I did not get and should have. Thanks for your channel.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah, it was the Southern Lord 2xLP discography that I showed off. I think it was the red version maybe? Anyway, it sounds awesome.

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaabbbb]

ive never commented on your videos, but ive been watching for a few months now. your uploads make my days better, you give me new bands to check out, and your sense of humour is hilarious. keep on keeping on 🙏

[@GroundZeroSalem]

That is super flattering. Happy to help.

[@Lastiri2004]

If you love the locust, i recommend you Arab on radar and An Albatross. All those bands are tag like Sasscore, a thing i discovered using Rate your music. Thats a scene i was really into and never knew that had a genre term. I was heavy into screamo, emoviolence all that stuff in the 10s. I started with the post rockish like Envy and City of caterpillar, and ended in the wildest stuff. It was one of those things that made me more close to other scenes that came out from that.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I've actually seen Arab on Radar. Pretty sure they were from Providence, and they played with Lightning Bolt fairly often.

[@axelstattin]

Asterisk* was Jonas (ex Bloodpath), Stefan (guitar+vocals in Randy) and André (drums in DS13). And the DisAxis reference is not wrong. While on tour with Locust and Jenny Piccolo I know they talked about Crossed Out as an influence.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Thanks for the info!

[@rubberlover666]

And the Reversal of Man discography that came out recently is well worth picking up too

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I have the This is Medicine CD, but a nice 2xLP discography would be, well, nice.

[@rubberlover666]

@@GroundZeroSalem 3 LP set! For like $30 as well!!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

@@rubberlover666 oh dang.

[@brainrottedindividual]

i was all over this stuff when i was like 16. i still bump a fair bit of it to this day at almost 40. i feel like the earliest converge records could also sort of fall under this umbrella. antioch arrow-conspiring the gogo is probably one of my all time fav songs forever. the drums are absolutely insane. also RIP Gabe Serbian, i love a lot of projects he's been a part of. i remember being super bummed when i read about his passing.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah, I feel like a some of that "chaotic" metalcore stuff definitely crosses the streams with this stuff. I didn't know anything about the members of the Locust until I watched the Doc. Gabe seems like he was a super great, funny dude. Sucks.

[@thestranger3530]

Ayyy thanks for the shoutout GZS! Personal opinion here but there’s so so many greats from this era that blurred the lines of genre or style. A few more I enjoyed were Shora, Quest for Quintana Roo, The Number 12 Looks Like You, I could go on.. but anyway thanks as always for your time and effort. 🤘🏻

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Thanks for the recommendation! That CD rules.

[@BirdiePierce]

great exposition and/or dig dug'n 🤠 ... (personal insertion: without knowing or plan, it was brought to my attention, that I have been interested, at one time or other, with basically every project that Mario Rubalcaba (Ruby) has been involved with.)

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah, what a resume!

[@safetyfirst487]

I swear yoy talk about ALL the bands i have started to love and have been looking to hear discussions about since i started listening to more hardcore and crazy stuff. Keep it up i beg you!!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I most certainly will. I took a week off, as I was celebrating my Birthday, but I'll be back shortly.

[@infernusrex796]

Yasssss Pat, this my shit!!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I was waiting for you to comment!

[@infernusrex796]

@@GroundZeroSalem You know it!! Propd for mentioning Some Girls. Jenny Piccolo. Do u like Ink & Dagger??

[@GroundZeroSalem]

@@infernusrex796 I do! I got to see them once with Avail. Great band that I didn't really get until wayyyy later in life.

[@tonyfuller3741]

fun to hear about the locust i remember being a young highschooler being facinated by what theey did every time i hear cattle decap i remember 'the good days"' hahaha

[@tonyfuller3741]

that scene was my first real dive into extreme music

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I think it probably was for an entire generation. Wild to think of.

[@tonyfuller3741]

i think there was an avenue into the 3 1 g through emo/ indie stuff back in like 02 weird times @@GroundZeroSalem

[@rubberlover666]

Garment District is still around and you can still buy the buck a pound clothes! No shows there though.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Oh, good to know! I'm happy that they've survived Covid and all that.

[@9thcircle73]

I think Heroin could safely be called a patient zero for this sound. San Diego seemed to take the early DC emo and warp it with fast hardcore and make it something a little different from both. Two more obscure bands in this style I would recommend are Festival of Dead Deer and Robot has Werewolf Hand. Great video, Pat!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah, that seems right to me with Heroin being the OG. Holy crap, I forgot about Robot Has Werewolf Hand. I think I might still have their CD. I'm gonna go check right now.

[@ajh229]

Pat, great vid (as usual). I love how you get into the weeds with this stuff. Most of us know the heavy hitters, but with you, we get a few things to check out (I’m excited about this Asterisk*). I remember a lot of scene people wearing tight black tshirts and rocking the “Spock haircut” (lol) in the wake of these bands rolling through town. Also, haven’t heard the name Seven Days Of Samsara in 20 years! Very cool! Usurp Synapse was another band who (I thought) matched the live fury of Orchid. Also, dude, love the addition of some A/V snippets! You’re very gifted describing this stuff, but always cool to get a snippet built in!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah, it's always a roll of the dice with stuff that may or not be copyrighted, potentially it could mean a ton of re-editing and reuploading. I somehow lucked out with this one. Going forward, I'll probably include more, time permitting.

[@benng4376]

I was first introduced to Cattle Decapitation as "members of The Locust doing Carcass worship". That seems to have been lost to the sands of time. Im still a fan after all these years but they have evolved quite a bit. Speaking of The Locust you dig The Crimson Curse?

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah, I was introduced to Cattle Decap the same way. I think I've heard a bit of To Serve Man and Humanure and that's about it past the first two. I haven't heard the Crimson Curse or Holy Molar, but they're both on the list.

[@gallopingglen1]

we use to call kind of the dirty metallic hardcore/grindy/but screamy stuff "chaoscore" atleast from what i rememeber in the early mid 90s. especially the bands from the northeast and eastern canada, and a few from maybe nevada and utah. I use to like acrid from canada, ulcer from mass, forced expression from iowa, monster x upstate ny... basically the dirtier less metallic stuff., but i was alot more into the heavy noisecore crustcore side of things back then. that stuff wasnt really "powerviolence" in my mind, but there were quite a few other metallic kinds dischordant hardcore/screamy bands that i overlooked in the 90s playing with hardcore bands like overcast, one king down, blood for blood, that i always called "chaoscore" bands

[@brainrottedindividual]

i grew up in germany was a teenager into this stuff around 00 and i remember the term chaoscore being thrown around here for stuff like botch, cave in, converge or kiss it goodbye.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah, I definitely dig the term "Chaoscore".

[@DeaditeDelight]

It's seriously sad that I'm in my early 40's and just now hearing about some of these bands. That's what I get for growing up in a small town in the south 😂

[@GroundZeroSalem]

It's never too late!

[@noheroes8626]

One band I really liked back in the day was Blood Brothers. They started out really noisy and chaotic. They got less noisy over time but not less weird. When you mentioned The Locust sounding snotty and annoying, I immediately thought of this band. I remember them often being talked about in the same breath. When I couldn’t stand the Locust I found these guys to be more palatable.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Ohhhh yeah. I remember them. I completely forgot about them. I'll have to check back in.

[@noheroes8626]

@@GroundZeroSalem They were my gateway to noisier chaotic music. Their early stuff is very noisy and unpleasant. For some reason even though I listened to nothing else like them at the time, I instantly liked them. Funnily enough they got signed to a major label during the mainstream screamo/Emo boom. They got ever so slightly more accessible but mostly just relative to the racket they’d made previously. March On Electric Children or Burn, Piano Island, Burn are good starters. They got less heavy but never less bizarre. I’d be curious to hear your thoughts.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

@@noheroes8626 That's right, they were pretty huge...early to mid 00s, right?

[@noheroes8626]

@@GroundZeroSalem yeah, around then. they definitely had a higher profile than most bands of their ilk. I want to say the guy who produced their major label debut produced for At The Drive In, Slipknot, Korn.

[@arnisarniits]

Great stuff!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Thanks!

[@AnalogAttack]

Lovely stuff as always. I'd like to see an episode on Emoi! A genre I made up on WAYLT? on Friday. I haven't checked to see if it already exists, but I'm claiming it anyway.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I don't think so...I think there may be emoi songs (Because You're Young, This is Not the Last Song) but not bands per se... I wish I could have caught it live, but I crashed super early. I'll give it a watch this week. Can't wait to hear Jeff weigh in.

[@goat666db]

Very informative and fun video. As always, I have some homework to do lol. A few bands that might be worth checking out if you are not already familiar (which you probably are, I know you can’t include everything in every video), are Saetia, Potraits of Past, Funeral Diner and Yaphet Kotto(although those would probably just be categorized as screaming, no real grind elements). Cheers dude, great stuff as always 🍻🤘 Side note- you ever get into Hot Cross? I loved pretty much everything those guys did when they were around

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I actually saw Yaphet Koto once at a warehouse in Providence with Municipal Waste out of all bands. They were great, but I've never actually listened to their studio stuff. All of the other bands I've heard of but haven't listened to. I have a mix that a guy made for me when I lived in Maine that had Hot Cross and Saetia, and a bunch of other bands from that era. Some times that stuff gets a little too "noodley" for me, but it's pretty cool. I just grabbed a Majority Rule LP and Page 99 LP this week. Those bands are pretty astounding.

[@goat666db]

@@GroundZeroSalem Pg99 rules. I just realized my first comment said “screaming”, which must have autocorrected from screamo lol. I like the noodley guitar stuff! Also.. Municipal Waste and Yaphet Kotto sounds like an alternate universe lineup, that must have been a crazy show 😆

[@GroundZeroSalem]

@@goat666db It was super early on in MWs career, when they were mostly playing DIY venues. There were less than 100 people there.

[@vinylrichie007]

We do need another genre.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Skrarmnivolence!

[@vinylrichie007]

@@GroundZeroSalem5:51 You caught yourself saying screamo.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah, it's really hard to maintain a bit for more than three minutes, it seems.

[@Carlo.WTF416]

Loll dude, the long song names 😆

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah, there were some pretty funny ones. That whole shtick got a little tired at a certain point though.

[@vinylrichie007]

I would buy a I Hate Hank Williams Jr And I’m Gay T-shirt. Though hate is s bit strong.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Haha. 10 minutes on Redbubble or TeePublic and we can make this a reality.

[@benng4376]

Im partial to the term "emotional hardcore". Something happened when the Nation Of Ulysses influence migrated to San Diego. It became noisier, artier and more caustic. My assumption is the Gravity bands were influenced by the West coast bands of the day like Infest, Crossed Out and Neanderthal but I'm not sure if that's accurate.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah Nation of Ulysses is a massive influence, clearly. Even fashion-wise. Whenever I try to remember their name when I'm shooting a vid, my mind draws a blank.

[@brainrottedindividual]

@@GroundZeroSalem i loved that fashion. i rocked the nation of ulysses/dennis lyxzen 70s radical cosplay from when i was 16-18, haha.

[@noheroes8626]

I have never said skramz. I just can’t do it. Love the music, but I also think the name powerviolence is kinda goofy but it doesn’t make my skin crawl like that s word does.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Yeah, it's pretty much my least favorite.

[@vinylrichie007]

Of all the clips I liked Zegota the most. Funny you said they didn’t really fit in. I liked the guitar sound. I’m not sure about the politics. The political bands seem to be upper class dudes that can’t keep a job.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

I like the guitar sound too. As far as that "Champagne Socialist" stereotype, yeah, sometimes it's true. Sometimes it's not.

[@benng4376]

Labeling some of this stuff art school "hardcore" is not too out of bounds. "How much art can you take" is applicable. Me? I can take some art.

[@vinylrichie007]

@@GroundZeroSalem It seems most anarchist are white upper class.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

No lies detected there. Although, it's been said that the reason for that is well-to-do folks have better access to quality education, where they can deep dive into political theory without having labor away to survive while being fed false narratives utilized to pit people against eachother, but I think there's a lot more elements to it than that. We can have a liiiitle bit of art. As a treat.

[@vinylrichie007]

@@GroundZeroSalem Currently both sides pit people against on another.