Getting Kimber 84M 7mm-08 to Shoot with Handloads and Silencer

[@lmbear]

Betsy, thanks for putting up a new target. Ron has been using that same one for months!!! Good video!

[@hockeytownluv2012]

The banter was classic. Married for sure lol

[@TerryLay-sn9gg]

Ron I have been watching your videos for sometime now and I would like to say! You have beautiful hunting partner not to mention a very wonderful sense of humor! What a gift to have such a awesome life partner! I'm a 57 year old sportsman I hope some day I'm as lucky as you! Finding such a beautiful hunting buddy and life partner, you should really feel proud! Thanks for the videos I enjoy watching you and Betsy together! Congrats

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Terry. I am blessed indeed!

[@TerryLay-sn9gg]

@RonSpomerOutdoors I'm not sure they make fine young women like Mrs Betsy anymore, she must have been special order,congratulations!

[@PicturesofTravel]

Ron, I love the simple lesson through demonstration of not seating bullets deep enough. You are a clever teacher.

[@sheridanblackley9394]

Just do as your told Ron. Happy wife happy life. You both made me smile and laugh

[@dodgyass11]

So good too see Betsy shootin' thx guys!!

[@roneuler5913]

@rats52 Ron , This is a Great Video , I’ve got you by a year , & I was raise by Depression Era parents & Grandparents . I am guilty . Not changing targets myself. Avid reloader since 11yo. I agreed with your lovely wife . Looked like it was kicking her pretty good. What a Blessed life You have 👍

[@jerrysmith9935]

best video ever Ron and Besty you guys are a blessing

[@sammartinez8084]

Nice show and thanks again for a wonderful show and you and your wife are amazing people 👍👍👍👍👍❤️😍👏👏👏👏👋👋👋👋🦌👍👍

[@cbuck5165]

I have to agree with Betsy, the recoil looks significant based on how much the rifle is jumping. I had a similar issue with my kids and have developed some low recoiling loads for them. I now have several loads using Hammer Hunter bullets in the 85gr-100gr range that have proven to be devastating on deer. We have taken 4 deer so far this season with these loads and have been impressed by the terminal efficacy of these lightweight bullets.

[@blindboyjonny]

I about fell out of my chair, laughing. Having been married for 50 years and was born in the same year as Ron, I wonder if we could get a group rate on marriage counselors. I can’t get my wife even to get behind a rifle, too much recoil, too loud, it startles me. I just had to laugh. Ron, be thankful that Betsy will get behind a rifle at all. And she’s taken down some pretty nice critters to boot. Count your blessings, and by the way, with all these advertisements during your KZbin videos, you would think that you could afford a couple of targets. Thanks for everything. Awesome video. 6:15

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks blindboy. Betsy has taken some fine specimens indeed, including eland, kudu, oryx, 3 species of wildebeest, waterbuck, nyala, bushbuck, sable, cape buffalo... But, of course, as someone on this thread pointed out, she doesn't know how to shoot. :)

[@galenhisler396]

I agree! With Betsy, you need new targets, Ron. Nice buck 👏 congratulations Betsy. 🎉

[@leskrug9266]

I just shot my 708 on Sunday, Barnes ttsx 140 grain, 2825 fps, 3/8" group, been working on loads for the last year! TC venture 20" barrel.

[@64samsky]

I love my older Remington 700 in 7mm-08! It is a full cammo model from Cabelas bought in 1982. Even the scope is cammo.

[@idahoron]

You two crack me up 😅 I love it.

[@chrisnolin7103]

Adorable! Can I say that as a dude? Seriously, Ron, thank you. So cute. My wife loved it!

[@williamlaird2136]

YYYAAAHHHOOO Betsy! Thank you for putting up a new target. Congratulations on a BEAUTIFUL buck!

[@splitpin1764]

Hi Ron and Betsy, I have found the varget speed powders easier to get shooting well in 7mm-08, especially with a short barrel. Slower powders that fill the case seem like they are still burning when the bullet leaves the barrel, making it bark and higher recoil without much extra velocity

[@matthewellis2673]

My wife's first deer was taken with a 270, its now her rifle. She says it don't kick bad. Until we were sighting it in on the ground one day and she didn't have it against her tight enough. Congratulations Betsy, beautiful buck!

[@JeffreyCotle]

Hi Ron. You can laugh at me now. I just put a brand new 1-5 leupold scope on my winchester 94 30-30 made in 1978. The rifle cost 98 dollars new from Murphys mart. It's been my rifle since then. I shot the rifle in last Sunday at my brother Kevin house. At 100 yards after sighting in my rifle will land 170 winchester power points into a 1" sticky dot on cardbord at 100 yards every time. I love this rifle. My mother and dad gave it to me for Christmas in 1o78. I've hunted Pennsylvania, Alaska Maine south Dakota and took game in every state with it. I love my 30-30 . Make fun all you like. If I was charged by a grizzly that wanted to tear my head off and the eat me. This is the rifle I want in my hands at that moment God bless 😊

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

No laughs from me, Jeff. I recognize a perfect rifle when its user describes it. And, having taken my first two whitetails with a Model 94 30-30, I know how good it is. Congrats and enjoy.

[@theredflannelchannel7820]

I carry my Winchester 94 30-30 in grizzly bear country every year. I have run into two bears in the last 10 years and both times I was in the least bit worried if it would get the job done if needed. Luckily I didn’t have to find out but I’m confident it would have because it’s basically an extension of myself.

[@robertdinicola9225]

😊 I love 7mm-08! I was gifted a BLR in 7-08 from a friend. It has the old redfield tv scope on it! Still looks great. He shot one elk with it. Then he got old.

[@barryhill6482]

Betsey and the fall colors is classic. Great episode!

[@georgedavis2936]

My wife loves her Kimber 84m in 7-08, uses Federal Fusion 140grn in nice 3/4" groups. Hardest kicking rifle i shoot, take my 300wsm any day but that 08 is deadly on WT.

[@jamesmoore768]

Ron you know better than to argue with the boss! 😊🤣😂

[@grizzlygrull]

Lady Spomer is lovely! 👍

[@gatorflea2788]

The .284 projectile is the king from way back !

[@BrandonK-r2z]

Its great to see you guys out and about enjoying shooting and hunting together. May we all be so lucky one day. The only thing ill say is." Before i do i understand ron has forgotten more about guns and ammo that i know, he definitely made sure this ammo and rifle was ok before shooting" For those who may be new to this if the bolt doesn't feel right when you attempt to close it please stop and check everything. Something is worng from the sizing, case length, chamber. Unless you are a skilled handloader like ron at no point should you have to "force" or "fight" ammunition into battery.

[@jeffreyadams5017]

Love you guys , your killing me . Laughed the whole time.

[@curtishunter6725]

I love this betsy doesn't take any bs from you 😂

[@lcpltpow5870]

I admire Ron's financial responsibility with saving targets. Even if it looks like he emptied a 12 gauge into it before Mrs Spomer started shooting

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

Pretty awesome to showcase the shooting skills of the woman behind the camera and the Ron Spomer Outdoors show. Definitely a nice cartridge and rifle combo.

[@hendrikvanderschyff7812]

Thank you for not editing out the fiddling with too long cartridges. This minute detail points out just one of advantages of the 7x57 long case neck and "intermediate" COAL... Regards

[@brianperiso674]

Thank you for the clean target Betsy!

[@DannyPetersen-t4k]

Hey Ron. I love your videos and information. I agree with using the same target. I just put a little piece of tape over the holes.

[@jeremystyron9721]

Great vedio Ron ! But I have to speak on this . Suppressors might suppress the sound but all that push and pressure from the bullet leaving the muzzle has to go somewhere, and the way suppressors are designed it pushes the recoil straight back to your shoulder OUCH. In a way your wife is right ! Watching her shoot she gets a big push back from the recoil . Now if that was a ported suppressor, now that would not only tame the sound but the recoil as well . Suppressors are nice until you have to clean the baffels then its a pain in the butt lol .Muzzle Breaks !!!! Not all muzzle breaks are created equal. Alot of the muzzle breaks on the market today are not good at all . Then you have good ones that reduce recoil tremendously. You can take a 300 win mag and make it feel like a 243 win . To the point that my 10yr daughter and my 12 & 14-year-old sons shoot our 7 WSM and 300WSM all the time for hunting and shooting. With a good muzzle break you can make a 243 feel like shooting a 22 hornet . We put a 5 port custom muzzle break on my 416 Rigby with 400gr pill the recoil feels between a 30-06 & 300 win mag belive or not. It's actually a nice bench rifle now . Moral of this story ear plugs are cheep muzzle breaks are under $300 & suppressors are $1500-$4000 PLUS $200 Fed Tax plus 6mo to a year in paper work jail . That's the cost of a good/custom new rifles & scope , Ammo with ear plugs and muzzle breaks lol . Do your research before you buy anything Rifle , pistol , muzzle loader , Crossbows, compound bows , PCP air rifles, related so you know what your getting . And practice practice practice makes you confident in your abilities with your Freedom Tools. Really enjoy watching your programs Ron they are always fun and educational . God bless you and your family God-bless America 🇺🇸 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱

[@sandybarnett7502]

Both of you are terrific.

[@roystephenson5607]

Betsy!!!! You are great on the show

[@HowManyLegsItHas]

Lets see Betsy shoot it!!

[@craigparker4108]

You probably could have loaded it down for her a little more imo. What a great Buck, congratulations Betsy.

[@hoffpbass]

Gheez. What a buck 🎉 Way to go, Betsy.

[@philpjackson3963]

I have a Kimber Mountain 280 Ackley improved I got it to shoot under a half inch five shot group these are light rifles with pencil, thin barrels. They’re not made to shoot groups at one setting. I shot that group over five times to the range but the same target one shot over five days that’s what this rifle was designed for. first shot accuracy. Two coyotes three Whitetail bucks 2 bull elk between 5 and 6 pound rifle

[@ronaldjohnson1474]

Betsy is every man's dream - beautiful, participative, supportive, but with her own independence. ps: the 7-08 kicks more than a 308.

[@glennllewellyn7369]

Kicks more?

[@donaldmcbride]

Congratulations nice buck

[@aarons307]

Are the bullets getting shoved up into the lands the reason the bolt is so difficult to close? Good velocities for an 18" barrel...

[@scottbrown9922]

Good on you Betsy well done 😊😊

[@ryanzanow8221]

Did I see Miss Betsey give you a bit of “a look” when you started talking about people not understanding box magazines?😂

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Oh, you saw it.

[@greasydot]

She was like you have to sleep sometime Grandpa Ron

[@sanjuancb]

Ron, listen to Betsy. If she says it kicks it kicks. A simple 120 gr Ballistic Tip at 2,700 FPS would be fine on game and no recoil. Easier feeding than those Hammers too.

[@ozarkpipertony8396]

This is the same Betsy who had those "extras" like case colored hardening put on that ParkWest custom rifle lest we forget! 👍

[@sinepari9160]

That rifle gave me tinnitus in my left ear after I forgot to use earpro ONE time with the muzzle brake on it. It's an Adirondack in 308, so it's probably even louder!

[@REIronminer]

Beautiful work

[@billhatcher2984]

Betsy has a beautiful smile

[@luvtahandload7692]

Some Mauser-based rifles do need the rounds pressed into the magazine box. Mainly, I think, the real old ones before they started beveling the extractor. Of course, the Kimber is new enough that it's okay to not do it. Nice buck!

[@tomhumphreys6517]

Great video! Shes a keeper!

[@Muskiehunter92]

Here in Ontario, Been super warm this year for us as well. Rifle season ended a week ago in my zone. Saw very little between me and my buddies. No daytime activity, only night time bucks showing up on camera. I am big into archery so I get to hunt for another month or so with a week of muzzleloader coming up if I want to take out a rifle again. Finally getting colder temps now but still not seeing much daytime movement. I am by no means an expert hunter so kinda trying to figure out my next plan of action. I am thinking of lookin at new spots entirely or trying to find out where the bucks on my camera at night are hanging out during the day. Any tips are appreciated. Good luck Ron and congrats on the buck Betsy!

[@WilliamHays-s1w]

She stay on the gun good job 👍

[@sinepari9160]

Your wife is a sweetheart. It is commendable that she wants to participate in your hobbies and interests at her age.

[@Suphlacki]

Ron, the man cave is bottom left and bottom left targets…!!!

[@mikekidney9112]

isn't the kimber controlled round feed ? the hard closing of the bolt might be because your forcing the extractor to skip over the rim and it better suited to bringing it up from the box ( broke the extractor on one of my crf rifles long ago)

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Good observation, but the extractor face is beveled to slide over the case rim.

[@TODinWY]

Had a good buddy have the "Too Long" problem. Unfortunately it was on a costly whitetail hunt in southern CO. Cost him a 170-class buck. Get Bets an Area 419 can.

[@bobbygreen2291]

Congratulations Betsy

[@terrycalvert7812]

Rookie reloading mistake Ron!! Lil tight on the bolt close too!!

[@robertpowell2746]

Ron, I know you're not on food stamps and I have never used a target that many times. PAY attention to Betsy and do what she wants for crying out loud.😊

[@brentworls8509]

I still have to find the happies load for my Kimber Montana in 7mm-08. It sure doesn't like extended shooting sessions. Cools down as fast as it gets hot though.

[@grahambamford9073]

Hi Ron and Betsy great banter between you two. This is going to be totally out of left field, I know you did a video a while ago on shooting sticks, have you ever tried the quad sticks. They are very popular over here in Europe, whats your take on them, maybe you could do a video on them sometime. Love the videos as always.

[@SpudOutdoors]

I am more impressed you found a thread pitch to fit the Kimber

[@darrenanderson4921]

Way to take that recoil Betsy!! The women in my family balked at Martini Cadet with .357 magnum! You are stronger than you think! That light rifle has one bad trait, not enough wait to absorb recoil. The good thing is you only shoot it a few times a year.

[@Deer_Slayer5937]

Here’s a thought, what if you made a .36-300 cartridge. A 360 buckhammer bullet put on a 300 win mag case and straightened it. Could a straight wall magnum work?

[@sergeantdwz5783]

35 whelen is somewhat close to that. 35 cal on a 30.06 case

[@Deer_Slayer5937]

@ it could be like a .35 Whelen for straight wall states. Don’t know if the straight wall rule applies to bears

[@sergeantdwz5783]

@@Deer_Slayer5937 case would be too long

[@Deer_Slayer5937]

@ 300 mag isn’t too long

[@yukon4545]

She's a saint!

[@ArmandSteenkamp1]

You can just use plain white paper with 4 or 5 half inch dot stickers on it. Its cheap and you font have to search where your shots went.

[@offroadsoda]

7's always seem to kick "harder". The always seem to have a sharp'ish kick - also, the powder makes a difference. Has Betsy had a chance to try a 6.8 Western or 6.5 PRC? Have her try the Bergara Crest B-14 in 6.5PRC Ron. I'll send you a recipe for that gun that shoots .4 off the shelf, silenced. Maybe add one of Backfire's Backstop.

[@falconcowboy9995]

😅😂😅😂 We need more Betsy

[@Mallard_waterskis]

Beautiful buck Betsy! Congrats. Ron how does the .260 add up against the .270?

[@PathfinderGregg]

I think Betsy is right. That recoil was really moving her back

[@jaydunbar7538]

Compared to the 375 she uses in Africa this little plinker doesn't have anything lol

[@MauserM18]

She is placing butt pad to her arm and maybe upper shoulder so that’s why she is feeling recoil because recoil goes to her upper arm, shoulder area… placing it to the correct location will her her a lot

[@tikkathreebarrels]

Ron's got his target, you know the one he bought in 1973, Betsy's got her own. And a smaller target makes for smaller groups don't forget! Betsy, get Ron to buy you a sissy pad.

[@michaelwilson9986]

Excuses Excuses Excusees there Ron 😂😂😂

[@KimDavis-n5t]

The 110 ttsx or 12 0 wood drop recall

[@jwoak0913]

Ron. I'm going to send you some targets LMAO! Betsy is funny and correct.

[@Oregon-airguns]

I’m on team Betsy, nothing worse than a cluttered target!!

[@JaySlow7]

Nice buck!

[@kiwiboy42]

Hi Ron, a great video mate. What’s the load you put together for this 7mm 08 ?? Cheers

[@nomasknoway9903]

Beautiful maple leaves behind a beautiful wife behind a beautiful rifle. Life is good.

[@williamwallace-wu7qo]

Hey ron anyway you could do a video on a browning ab3?

[@mikemorse7058]

Great video

[@clintonlayne9253]

Ron How did West River turn out for you? I had a successful hunt in Perkins county. Nothing big but at age 64 it's getting more difficult to haul/ drag them out. I'm going to hunt closer to home this weekend in Douglas county near Armour,SD good luck on your hunt.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Video on my SD hunt coming soon, Clinton. Good luck in Douglas Co. Some big bucks in those cattail and bulrush sloughs. Used to jump them when I hunted pheasants there.

[@danowolf]

2:57 I know that look.

[@jessiesmith7715]

I had the 84 Montana years ago when they come out every time I held the stock it shot different they told me it’s the calver stock I shot several different kinds of ammo plus reloaded never could get it to group so I traded it off

[@TodGoodwin-w5u]

Try 49 gr of 414 130 gr bullet is my load that shoots 3/8 groups

[@JamesJones-cx5pk]

This would have been easier if you zeroed the rifle first Ron. 😮👍🤩

[@robbiek5oh]

7mm08 handloads from my Kimber: 140 cup/core, 48.5 H4350 140 cup/core, 42.5 IMR-4064 140 cup/core, 43.0 Varget 150 ELDX 45.5 RL-16 150 ELDX, 40.7 Varget 150 ELDX, 40.3 IMR-4064 150 ELDX, 40.3 IMR-4895 Work up accordingly, 2.800” OAL and fed210m for all.

[@Accuracy1st]

Glad you posted this. I should have my new Tikka 708 back from the builder in the next 2 weeks and was wondering where to start.

[@craigparker4108]

@@Accuracy1st Any bonded bullets ?

[@Accuracy1st]

@@craigparker4108 Yes. I have ABLR, AB on hand

[@robbiek5oh]

@@Accuracy1st The 150eldx over Varget checks a lot of boxes: 2,715fps from a 22”, 1/2” groups, terminal performance on game both near and far is good at this muzzle velocity, good BC, at 600yds velocity is still 1,800fps and energy is 1k. If I was overly concerned about penetration, a 140 partition over H4350 leaves at 2,880fps and delivers the goods.

[@Accuracy1st]

@@robbiek5oh Thank you. I do have 500 ELDX 150s on hand and about 30 pounds of varget. I have seen the NZ youtubers shooting their Tikka rifles in 708 with 150 and 162 ELDX, ELDM just hammering red deer, hogs, and goats at impressive yardages. They shortened their barrels too. I have found the ELDX to be just fine for deer

[@MichaelMiller-ww9iy]

I'm only 6min into the video so I don't know how it will end. But my initial thought is that this woman is trying to tell Ron she doesn't like shooting this rifle. When my wife or 9-year old daughter says this has too much recoil, I listen because I know it is going to affect their shooting and their desire to shoot. I was the women in my life to enjoy shooting and not fear their firearms. Instead of this light Kimber, we have a heavier 7-08 weatherby. And am working on handloads for it with light recoil...would rather have 2500fps on a rifle they love rather than 2900fps in a rifle they are scared/hesitant of.

[@dhooter]

Ron that bolt looking like it’s closing a bit tight?

[@nicholasbarcomb2324]

I have the 131 gr Heavy Hammers loaded up in my daughter's 7mm-08. Good luck and stay safe!!! 😉😉😉

[@davidcheek2083]

Ron, don't be cheap! Get a new target!!! Betsy is always right. You should listen better!!!!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Don't encourage her, David!

[@SDMacMan]

Hey Ron, you need to seat those bullets deeper. Betsy is right, you're going to get a pressure spike and blow her up. Nice buck Betsy. 👍🏼

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

I did, MacMan.

[@AlyssaLaney-1234]

Cool vid

[@TTT-du6oj]

Hey Ron how did you ever trick Betsy😁

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Wore a mask. Kept my mouth shut. Flowers.

[@TTT-du6oj]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors 🤣,I think ya both did just fine🤙

[@williamgaines9784]

She is more a wisp than a wimp. I like getting the most out of a target, but use pasters to cover the old groups, rather than pen marks. I had a roll of manilla masking tape I used to cover the holes with, but must have misplaced it😑. Family time is good time. Her difficulty closing the bolt is odd as she seems to be opening it without difficulty.

[@greasydot]

Ron,,,, after that look how long did tou have to eat cold food and drink luke warm coffee in the dog house with Covey?? 😂😂😂

[@michaelwilson9986]

Woo Woo YES Show Him How To Shoot.. 😉😁

[@danielbell4007]

Hey Ron, I had a thought, and it’s probably not original. Would you think a 7mm cartridge that falls between the 7-08 and the 7prc/mag, in a short action would catch on? Something that mimics/surpasses the performance of the 7x57, but in a short action. Like a 7wsm lite?

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

The 284 Win. fits that category and it hasn't caught on. The 7 WSM fits, too.

[@danielbell4007]

@ would throwing a “creedmoor” in the name help with popularity?

[@jerryjohnson1482]

What do you think the best cartridge and rifle for long range ( expensive and cheap) if you could. Video?

[@jerryjohnson1482]

100-1000 yards

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Afraid there is no best that's cheap. 6.5 CR likely most affordable, 7mm PRC and its ilk probably easiest to get on target (sufficient MC with high B.C. bullets) using factory rifles and ammo. 6.8 Western a good option, though few target loads. 6.5 PRC for hunting instead of the weaker Creedmoor.