Getting Started in NRL22, Part 1 of 3, Selecting and NRL 22 Rifle and Optic

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Mark Stevens: Hey guys, it's Mark and Baron with Arnzen Arms. Looks like you've got a project going on.
Baron Juhl: We do, we're going to dive head first in the NRL-22, see what I can do with that.
Mark Stevens: I've been super curious about this, but I haven't pulled the trigger, ha-ha.
Baron Juhl: Shooting puns.
Mark Stevens: I've been curious about the sport cause it's like the barrier to entry seems pretty low, especially compared to other action shooting sports, right?
Baron Juhl: Absolutely.
Mark Stevens: In this case it's a little more gear intensive than say a pistol match, but once you're in it's pretty cheap. First of all, let's set this up. So, Forest Lakes Sportsmen's club here in Minnesota has got the first regular NRL-22 match, and the one we're going to go to is on December 21st. That's just a couple of weeks away for us for now. By the time you see this, it'll probably be 10 days out, maybe a week. So come out and join us. I just talked to their match director and they are going to run them all winter.
Baron Juhl: Awesome.
Mark Stevens: So they're going to be NRL-22 matches monthly, year-round, at that club.
Baron Juhl: So if you're really Minnesota brave?
Mark Stevens: Yeah, and you can get all the information on that on the Forest Lake calendar, that's flscmn.com or forestlakesportsmansclub.com. Go to the calendar, you'll see the NRL-22 matches there, and there're some blogs there and some pretty lightweight stuff. I need to talk to the guy who does the blogging. Okay, and then the other resource probably to mention right up front is a nrl22.org, which is where we got a lot of our information from. Plus, we just have a lot of friends.
Mark Stevens: What'd you find out about the game? What division? I don't even know enough about it to speak intelligently.
Baron Juhl: So, the way the sport is broken down, it is very oriented toward your person that wants to get into just shooting competitions, particularly rifle. The starting class is called "base class" and it's just based off of MSRP of the rifle and the scope. So, it is absolutely set up for the dude that has his 10/22 from 40 years ago sitting in the closet with an old loop hold on it can absolutely show up and compete. He's not going to be on the level of guys that have dedicated the money to it, but you're not going to be totally dead in the water trying to show up with something like that.
Mark Stevens: That base price has got to be sub $1050, right?.
Baron Juhl: Yes, $1050, and that's just rifle and optical. That doesn't include mount, sling, bipods, pressure, any of that stuff. And then from there above that, you just go straight into open class and then you're looking at guys with Vudoos and Anschutz and all sorts of crazy stuff like that.
Mark Stevens: Super goofy guns that no one's got. Okay, cool. Our goal here was to just do this in the sub $1050 category, right? So we went and looked around at some different stuff, and we wanted to select a package that was reasonably affordable, but still going to give you a good result. What did you decide on ultimately?
Baron Juhl: So the Ruger Precision Rimfire is kind of perfect for this game. MSRP on this is?
Mark Stevens: We've got it at, was that $400, is that right? Yeah, $400.
Baron Juhl: Yeah, $400 is our shelf price I think $450 is MSRP.
Mark Stevens: Rifle: $400, and what does that get you over a 10/22.
Baron Juhl: So, I'm a little biased because I have shot these before and I was blown away with how accurate they are. I've got a number of friends that have these, all of them shoot better than I could explain a 22 can on camera. I mean I've shot one of these guns out 200 yards on steel, which feels pretty crazy with a Rimfire.
Mark Stevens: So, so it's a bolt action platform. You've got a free float barrel.
Baron Juhl: Yep, analog CamGuard on here, you've got this super adjustable stock. So you just undo the clip here and you can adjust the length of pull and the cheek risers, super easy. That's another nice thing about this gun, if you want to do this competition with your kids, on the range you can pop this, collapse it down, they can run the stage, pop it open again, extend it back for you.
Mark Stevens: Yeah, just throw some witness marks on there and you can switch it back and forth, really cool.
Baron Juhl: The other great thing, everybody loves 10/22 magazines. It comes with the 15, but you can use the 10s or the 25s.
Mark Stevens: What's that trigger?
Baron Juhl: I forget what they called their version of that.
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[@nicholaslindesmith166]

EXCELLENT INTRODUCTION to NRL in general and the benchmark gear features with which to do more research. Been watching hours of video and reading articles to find this kind of basic info for rimfire

[@FlyRiverFly]

Rifle should be light weight. Keeping weight down is important for the standing stages vs supported stages. Barrel Length is personal preferrence. I prefer a longer barrel but the most important thing is how the rifle shoots. If you can get MOA from a short barreled .22 then go that route. Semi-Auto's are a benefit as you dont need to cycle the bolt so follow up shots are quicker. OPTICS, OPTICS, OPTICS! good glass is important. Parallax Adjustable down to 10 yards, FFP scope with 12X or greater magnification. I prefer a 14X or 16X magnification but that is a personal preference. Ammo does matter. I disagree with CCI as the most cost effective brand. Find out which brand your rifle prefers. If you dont know which one, then cci is a safe bet but not necessarily the best bet. Some quick thoughts on .22 ammo are: 1) low wind conditions with a max of 100 yard targets, I prefer subsonics. The bullet drop is greater at longer distances but you dont deal with the transition from sonic to subsonic so your accuracy is enhanced 2) If it is windy, go with something a little faster. 3) Know your adjustments for wind. When you are adjusting for 12-15 MPH cross winds at 100 yards, know your hold over. Shooting positions, practice standing, kneeling, prone, left and right handed. Practice holdover shooting. This saves time on adjustments for windage and bullet drop. NRL publishes the course of fire the last week of the month preceding. Read it and if possible practice some of the position you will be shooting from. Lastly, HAVE FUN.

[@wilfdarr]

Amen. I've got a couple guns that shoot the Win super x really well except for the flyers (cheep ammo will do that after all... I try and go through and pull the ones that are obviously deformed, so deformed that you can see it with the naked eye 😒... ), and though the Eley shoots consistent (no flyers) , none of my gun's shoot it particularly well, just... meh, consistently without the flyers. It's more about the harmonics: head on over to varmintal Dot com and you'll see that it's much more about the load of the round and much less about the super quality of the round (most quality ammo (doesn't come in a bucket) is going to be more consistent than you are).

[@maxk5038]

Would my great grandpas Winchester 69 be fine for starting out or should I really invest in a better rifle?

[@bryanduchane2371]

Just found your channel. Shooting in my first NRL22 next month..

[@fenomeno71]

Thanks for the info.. I don't see part 2 or 3 however. Are/could you perhaps do a build video like this for the open class?

[@arnzenarmsactual]

The second video is on our FB page and will be posted here at some point. We had an issue that precluded us from using some of the content. The 3rd video is being filmed today! As for Open Class. It is on the list of vids for the spring. No guarantees.

[@adam8642]

Big fan of CCi Sv. However, the SK long range match is awesome. My RPR absolutely loves them.

[@ncphotos]

Nice looking Gun setup!

[@buckshotaaa]

I lost count how many times the guy on the left said "cool". Nice rifle. 👍

[@Jlui83]

What distance zero do you recommend for the base class?

[@allenbmooresharinginformation]

CCI SV is definitely the best easy to get round for most. Norma Tac 22 is another decent round to start with. You can pay twice as much or more to possibly get a 16th of an inch tighter group at 50, but that will matter more at a distance. With that said a hit on steel is a hit on steel for this competition.

[@lloydb248]

wondering what you would run now that it's midway 2021

[@leomortimer2565]

I thought the ring mounts didn't count towards price cap?

[@shawng7902]

Dec 2020 prices I just bought the precision rimfire, diamondback 4-16 FFP, and vortex mount for $950. They wouldnt budge a penny on price because they are hard to find. 950 out the door without a sling and bipod. They are in the mail.

[@kswan2648]

My apologies and I owe you a beer next time I’m home in Mn, but zoics dude, I thought you were Shaggy.

[@MilkBone3327]

D you have to use a bolt action or can a semi-auto be used for matches? Thanks

[@arnzenarmsactual]

You can use either. Most people use a bolt action from what I observed.

[@daviddurrant1559]

Do you have any problems shooting 50 yards or shorter with the 30 MOA scope base on these Rugers precision rim fire.

[@allenbmooresharinginformation]

I have a friend using the Precision in club fun shoots and he has no issue with it doing trick shots on cards and match sticks at 20 yards.

[@tonykemp4645]

I own one the rifle shoots well I am very happy with it my scope is a bushnell banner 3x9x50 I hunt with it a real bunny buster out to 150 yards bang on target

[@DSmith-zf9es]

Really good to know this scope is working well on your RPR. I have the Banner II on my 10/22 currently and plan on getting the RPR soon. Thanks

[@MichaelJordan-hn4zd]

What is the barrel diameter ?

[@bennettdavid904]

I literally just bought this same setup, glad I messed up in the right direction 😉

[@jtark9341]

How is it working? I just bought the 22vmr. How is the scope?

[@bennettdavid904]

@@jtark9341 scope is good, its actually better and easier for me at least zoomed out ( for lack of a better word right now ) I have the MOA scope. But all together I seriously could not be happier. Tight tight groups at 50 10 shots are less than a quarter. 75, 10 shots opens to little larger than a half dollar, 100 yds 2in group with 10 shots. But I'm still getting my fundamentals down. I know for a fact, I could kill a squirrel at 125 no problem.

[@jtark9341]

Thanks for the reply! Going to go pick it up Tomorrow. I am a little undecided on a scope yet. This will be my new prairie dog gun. Hoping for a few lucky 200yrd shots but sounds like a 100yrd should be a given. Thanks again

[@bennettdavid904]

@@jtark9341 I'm not kidding people hit 400 yards with this gun/scope setup. Like I said I'm tickled by it. It's such a good gun

[@bennettdavid904]

@@jtark9341 last thing. I once had a 10 shot group. I use Bx-1s per target. I Had a nickel group with 1 flyer, talk about pissed. But 9/10 at 75 yards, I only use CCI Standard Velocity 40 grain.

[@wilfdarr]

Minnesota... All winter long... Thin line between the brave and the foolish...

[@steveh1792]

Keeps the riff raff out?

[@wilfdarr]

@@steveh1792 100% That's why I love Yellowknife: stupid people don't last very long up here!

[@demolitiondan1188]

I love my CZ’s…..💪🏻💪🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@hankh1610]

Biggest question I have is WHY, do you keep the magazine IN the receiver? I'm from the school of removing it as another way to show the weapon is clear. Surprised it hasn't been mentioned in the 2 years this video has been available.

[@zackw9292]

Does everyone use standard 0 degree rails? Or are people running 20 moa rails in nrl22?

[@bryanduchane2371]

Most run a 30 MOA with some using 40 & 50 MOA bases. Targets can be 500 yrds.

[@tonykemp4645]

The ruger precision rifle comes with 30 MOA rail just to let know I don't shoot targets or comps I hunt with mine I shoot rabbits ,, any way I hope you do well in the competition kinds regards from tony

[@fuqutube]

@@bryanduchane2371 I have seen targets out to 3500 .... Just kidding..

[@knokname6466]

@@fuqutube But can you hit them? THAT is the question.

[@fenomeno71]

Looked at the PST Gen II at LGS today. They have both MRAD and MOA. What are the NRL22 guys mostly using?

[@sgtjkm]

Combination of both but MRAD is most popular. I prefer MOA for 22 for the finer adjustments

[@wilfdarr]

Both are fine. I think in meters, so MRAD is the obvious choice. But even if it weren't, the math is easier in MRAD. People say the MOA has finer adjustments, and that's not wrong, but it's of 1/3 inch vs 1/4 inch (a difference of 1/12 inch) at one hundred yards: your drop from 95 yards to 100 yards is a full inch, so if your mil dot math is just +/- 1 yard, your "moa is finer adjustments than MRAD" advantage is blown out of the water: for this reason I'd take the easier MRAD math every day of the year. Even if the course is laid out in yards, it's easy enough to prepare the converted distances ahead of time.

[@ryanniksch4174]

I’m using a pst 2 moa on cz 457

[@Frosty_as_Floop]

This is way late, but the best advice I ever got was, "use what your friends use". I prefer MRAD and so do my friends, but if yours use MOA, it will be easier to exchange ideas if you all speak the same language.

[@fenomeno71]

@@Frosty_as_Floop Great advice, Thanks. I ended up with MRAD, and influencing my friends to follow me. haha.

[@billym651]

This dude has to be Shaggy from Scooby Doo right? Matthew Lillard?

[@inimikal5935]

If you're thinking about purchasing a precision, do it. It is by far the most accurate 22lr I have ever owned. I love my 10/22 but it just can't compare.

[@arnzenarmsactual]

Couldn't agree more!

[@acemechanical275]

Or, if you have the wallet, you can dive right in and get a Volquartsen or Vudoo. Tikka and Bergarra are a good mid range option.

[@daviddurrant1559]

Will be putting a Vortex Razor HD Gen 3 1-10x24 scope(Won the scope in an online raffle) on a RPR. How do you think my son would do in the unlimited class- total cost of rig over $3000

[@gamelord1000]

It depends on the age of your son. The "Young Guns" class is for all kids from age 8 to 16. There is no limit on the rifle they use, that way they can shoot their parents rifle. If your son is a good enough shot, he could just enroll in the open class with you and compete against everyone else, but he would most likely do best in the Young Guns class.

[@jimmymcjimmyvich9052]

Looking for a folding stock for my Ruger RPR Rimfire. Anybody know of one please?

[@leejohnson2024]

i have a savage mkii that rifle loves federal automatch. ive shot top end elley to cci and every cheap bulk u could think of and the federal auto match is the winner for my rifle. remember guys every rifle is diferent take yourtime and shoot a lot of various types of ammo you may find your rifle like some cheap crap.

[@Cloth_Gloves]

i want to point out that max MSRP for base class is 1300 now

[@arnzenarmsactual]

Good info! Inflation is a bitch!!!

[@codya990]

Tbh if your trying to do long range stay away from ruger, there not accurate enough for comp

[@VaishnavaZ]

This rifle has too many problems to be reliable.(i.e : Ejection problems on all of them). I'd go for for CZ, savage or Anschutz instead.

[@dbelex]

That Ruger stock sucks, other than that it's a good rifle.

[@knokname6466]

What sucks about it? You must have got an over-looked reject, or someone switched off a good stock, 'cuz mine is fine. Great for what it is.

[@sgtjkm]

$529.00 is the msrp

[@juhllabs8391]

sgtjkm “The Base class is for the budget minded shooter. This class is for rifles with scopes in which the combined MSRP of both cost $1050 or less. Some modifications are allowed in Base class.” Straight from the NRL22 site.

[@dustyrhodes1655]

A year later and clearly he had the rona...

[@imgannadie991]

Lmao i was about to write that in the comments!!

[@WTF_Australia]

Maybe rehearse just a little?

[@fishrrelaxing9361]

Before doing a video like this bases specifically on a set MSRP price one would think you’d take 2min prior to the video to actually research the prices.. if you’re going to the 24x scope you’re over by $50.. the msrp of the rifle is $599…. The scope depending on magnification is just at or $50 over.. you have to drop down to the 4-16 version in order to be compliant with the base rules.. unless you’re here looking for a youth in which case of you can you really should step up to the venom optic.. won’t be able to cross compete though but it’s the best bang for the buck here.. if wanting to compete in both youth and base then this is more or less the very best you can get with the 4-16 version of the scope which gets you in base with $2 to spare.. also keep in mind both youth and girls divisions have no msrp restrictions.. so one could cross compete there with the venom but those classes are generally really small.. base is the way to go and then cross over as you can to the others. If going NLR22X then I would still suggest this rifle but you’ll need to get a cheaper Chinese knockoff scope that won’t have as good of glass and turrets but you’ll be needed the magnification for sure as those can range out to 3-400 yards.. but the fact this rifle comes with a 30moa mount built in and as good as the trigger and accuracy is.. this is wo a doubt the best option to get started and be able to move up in class by just upgrading optics when ready to move into open class..

[@arnzenarmsactual]

December 2019 is the date of the review. Research was done. The rest of your comments are fantastic. Thanks for contributing - people will really benefit.

[@InsertValue]

For 2022 base is set at 1200, so this combination does work.

[@sgtjkm]

You are misinforming your viewers about the base class limitations

[@arnzenarmsactual]

What did we miss? It would be great for the community to get all the info.

[@wilfdarr]

Can you elaborate or give me a place to refer to for a good guide? I'm looking to get in and would like the info before I buy this spring.

[@FishOn1]

Sounded pretty accurate to me, except the limit is MSRP, not the price you can buy it for. In your case, there isn’t much difference. My understanding is that sling, bipod, etc don’t count, price limit is rifle and scope alone.

[@gamelord1000]

Not really misinforming. Base class is current MSRP of the rifle and optic MUST be $1050.00 or less. All other accessories are not included. MSRP is taken from CURRENT year MSRP listing for the rifle and optic. If your rifle has been discontinued and there is not a current MSRP price, you would be moved into the open class. If the MSRP price has changed (increased) from when you purchased your rifle so the MSRP for rifle and optic are now over the $1050.00, you will be moved into the open class. Really not that big of a deal, you either qualify for competing in the base class or you get bumped to the open class. You still get to shoot and have fun.

[@knokname6466]

@@gamelord1000 There is a "Ya, but..." in that class rule, IF I am reading the rulebook properly. Each person will shoot Open class their first match, then can move to the Base class with the same rifle-- if it originally fit Base reqs.