"GGG has 2 DIFFERENT games here…” Path of Exile 2 Podcast With Kripparrian

[@down-the-rabbit-hole]

It's amazing how Krip was able to keep the same facial expression during the entire interview.

[@anomalyraven]

I wouldn't wanna play cards against him. That's the poker face of a master.

[@RustyGames777]

Master ventriloquist

[@singed8853]

It’s a picture not a video from what I can tell.

[@Aaron-jo4vs]

That's how u know krip is the goat for hearthstone and bazaar with a straight face like that 😂

[@Wetdoger]

frozen cam bit

[@dracorgamingnz2203]

The trade vs SSF discussion will forever remind me of a literal 10 year old post, saying that scarcity + high player count + trade enabled is how you get vanilla Diablo 3 with its auction house only endgame. If you can't find or craft your own non-mirror, but close to best in slot gear, then your entire endgame is the trade site and it sucks.

[@Kuddochan]

Last Epoch basically solved the problem with its faction system. Wish more ARPG devs would just take notes instead of banging their heads against the same wall as we've had for 25 years already.

[@SpocksBro]

I think trade and SSF should be separated much like HC, but SSF should have their drop rates tuned for solo play. One could satisfy both camps without much effort by just doing that. Sharing of stashes etc. with trade league and any trading interactions would of course not be allowed. The two will always be in conflict as long as the drop rates are tuned for a trade league where they have to be lower in order to prevent everyone from being maxed out after a week. SSF players are the minority in this case so GGG probably just never found enough reason to bother making that distinction. I for one would welcome such a change.

[@levitastic]

This!! Agreed ​@@SpocksBro

[@Ezo772]

@@Kuddochan Last Epochs Crafting is terrible because its way too strong. I have like 90% perfect gear within under 1 week, rarely played an Arpg where Loot felt as uninteresting.

[@Kuddochan]

@@Ezo772 Not the crafting, the faction system of CoF and MG in order to make the SSF vs trade debacle actually work out for everyone.

[@Lolcohol]

Great episode! I started playing PoE because of Kripp :)

[@TalkativeTri]

Sorry for no video, learning for next time!

[@BillSkarsgardRuinedMyLife]

How am I supposed to listen to this pod without video 😤

[@mfanakhanyile3635]

​@BillSkarsgardRuinedMyLife right? I usually play the game and listen to the video, now what am I gonna do?😂

[@BillSkarsgardRuinedMyLife]

@mfanakhanyile3635 I'm at work sadly, but it's still a shame I couldn't hear Kripps facial expressions

[@mfanakhanyile3635]

@@BillSkarsgardRuinedMyLife Hearing people's facial expressions is the best part of the video. I'm unsubscribing immediately. Bad content

[@kylemenos]

Don't worry about it. The legend says Kripp never moves his face anyway for multiple hours.

[@AynenMakino]

Kripparrian really made it click for me why my experience is so much more frustrating than yours or many other's seem to be. I'm playing SSF, and apparently the difference that makes is huge. I also agree with a lot of his other views. The game is fighting itself, wanting to be conflicting things.

[@JamieR]

Same experience. It's just slow and frustrating because the crafting feels so bad when slamming is 95% garbage, expedition crafting is the best way to get gear and there is no way to deterministically get what we want. In it's current state I felt forced to use rarity to find anything of use, and that'll be nerfed for sure.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

I just hate people giving rarity praise for things that it causes ... Your rates are trash without it because it exists ... Your not being buffed by it your being nerfed by not having it

[@GFClocked]

Same. I quit playing as I was in ssf (and they don't let you leave it). So the promised experience of abundant currency was a lie. I can't find or craft anything good, and all the currency I use is just converted straight to trash. Meanwhile my friend is playing trade and he made the content trivial as he can get anything he wants. But that's the thing, I don't want to trade. I'm not here to play a trade simulator, I want to get and or craft my gear. And they promised me that. Aaaand it's gone , the promise wasnt real

[@xybaexpert1139]

@@GFClockedroll another where you can trade. Trade only for a few things. If you cave and stay only in auction house, thats on you bro.

[@GFClocked]

​​​@@xybaexpert1139I dont really roll characters like that. I'll play again when it's 1.0 and then I'll be done until Poe 3 comes out probably. Last time I played poe1 intensively was maybe a decade ago. The moment my progress or character is reset I'm kinda done with the game, that's why I have 5000 hours in lost ark. I appreciate Poe, but I don't gel with all this reset and reroll thing. I also came to Poe2 as I was promised constant currency and crafting, i don't even want to trade.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

Rarity is forced in SSF because you arent getting stuff Rarity is forced in trade because everyone else IS using it and getting stuff and now your being priced out for it Rarity should not be awarded praise, it is litterally causing the problems that people want it to exist for

[@wintergloom5695]

I've felt like PoE 2 wants to make fights more of a slugfest, but without giving you as much room to make mistakes. Defenses are heavily tuned down while mobs rush you into corners if you aren't constantly thinking about your next move. The methodical nature of the game is a good thing, but being put on the defensive constantly feels like a chore. This is making people focus down damage to smash the game instead. If they want to slow the game down they need to make defenses feel better, period. My arms would be wide open to damage nerfs across the board if they make defenses actually mean something.

[@RomDog-2648]

How would that make it fun and engaging though? All you'd be doing is pumping a stat to make you tankier then. The game is fundamentally flawed, because killing mobs and bosses is not about skill, it's about stat stacking until you are one shotting everything. If they want the game to be methodical they NEED to create enemies and systems that force the player to play that way. If all an enemy does is rush you and basic attacks all the way up until late game, there is something wrong with the game design. To;dr Nerf player stats, but make enemies more engaging to fight.

[@vzwson4995]

They want to waste your time.

[@Forbidden_Chocolate]

Enemies are too fast in maps, to counter that i just played like i was in poe 1. I just spam detonate dead while walking

[@LeMicronaut]

​@@RomDog-2648 they added a red skill gem to poe that lets you do a 1000% inc damage attack IF you blocked within the past two seconds and it's off cooldown, but you have to manually press the button to get the juicy hit. They essentially ported the x to counterattack combat from all the ubislop/batman games into poe and it's pretty cool. Well designed tanking means you're tweaking the tempo to have those power swings or you're trying to encourage people to run into larger packs instead of just sniping them.

[@PherPhur]

So nerf damage and buff defenses?

[@Gunthrek]

I think I'd add to what was stated here that visual clarity is even more important in this game than in POE1. With so many one shot abilities coming at you, the telegraphing just isn't clear enough when you have flames and the like all over the screen. I'm already not a fan of the dodge roll, feeling that the RPG part should take priority over the "action" part, but it's even worse when combat seems to be centered around it and a lot of times you can't even see big hits coming. I feel like we were told that that kind of stuff would be clearly telegraphed, but it just isn't coming across well enough most of the time. Hopefully this gets adjusted if dodge roll stays front and center for the future.

[@willwallace4373]

I would say most of the bosses I have faced do have pretty well telegraphed attacks, or at least some-what obvious tells after 1/2 attempts of the boss. But you are correct, when you are playing a class with lots of AOE FX (sorc flame wall / spark etc.) then it becomes much more difficult to see whats going on

[@ValuelessPond22]

I absolutely love the combat in poe2 personally. The count’s boss fight at the end of act 1 is so sick to play through, and it highlighted a thing that poe2 does a lot, audio cues for moves. In my experience most if not all big damage moves from rare and unique bosses have an audio cue as well as visual. I totally agree with you though that this game feels heavy handed on the action, and way less so on the rpg element

[@RMartian76]

Visual clarity is nightmarish. If you try playing in a group it's basically impossible to know what the hell is going on. I just stare at my health, dodge roll around, and go through my rotation. It's so boring. The dodge roll and "Souls-like" methodical combat is why I was hyped for PoE 2. But it quickly devolves into the same sh*tstorm of visual FX and brainless combat as most every other ARPG.

[@GuerillaBunny]

And it's not only that visual noise is covering up the telegraphs, but that trash mobs don't telegraph their attacks in a meaningful fashion. Like there's a 0.2 second arm twitch, but that's like 8 pixels, and many of the enemies either move too fast or blend into the textures behind them that it's sometimes almost impossible to see even without the noise. Also, most rare enemies don't stand out from the trash. And some rare abilities (like mana drain) are just absolute bullshit.

[@Babunen]

Been following Kripp since start of D3. Smart and humble dude.. much love

[@matsiv5707]

You really grew into a really good podcast host. I saw your growth over the interviews and you're getting better and better. I love how you manage to accomodate the honest perspectives of so many different people even if you stay true to your vision for what you want the game to be. Really amazing series. I hope this becomes a staple of your content. I know you have many more planned out over the future months, so I guess I'll stay tuned.

[@numpty4595]

So what I can tell Kripp is a god gamer who optimizes efficient gameplay, recognizes the incompleteness of the dodge roll mechanics I trust kripp completely "Legendary arpg player" never been truer An inspiration to the other content creators One of the best people I've seen in the arpg scene !!!

[@rgjs4537]

He is a legend and we should be happy to have him on the scene.

[@omegacloud222]

One of the biggest issues currently imo is the crazy disparity between the power on gear and the power on the skill tree. I played through the campaign twice, first time on Ranger/Deadeye with a Bow using LA + Rods and the second time on a Monk/Invoker with Ice Strike + Bell. With my Ranger taking as much damage on the tree as i could find was as close to a miserable experience as one could get because i could not get any decent bows to save my life. It took forever to kill bosses and i was hardstruck 3 times, once at the end of Act 2, once at Viper in Act 3, and once at the end of Act 3 Cruel. I literally had to farm for multiple hours for upgrades on my Ranger. It took me over 30 hours to clear the campaign because of how horrible drops were and i didnt want trade to ruin my first time perception of how the game felt. Fast foward to my monk. Holy crap a second character with even just half decent rares absolutely obliterates the campaign while taking mostly defensive nodes. I had 86 Exalts saved up from my Ranger endgame farming after switching to crossbow and reaching T13's. I optimized literally nothing on my monks gear and more than half of my skill points went into Eva/ES nodes. I didnt trade for a single piece, all I did was just spam exalt slam gear which rolled half decently from the shop or as a drop. From Act 1 all the way to endgame, i burned through about 65 Exalts. My monk was deleting Act bosses in about 30 seconds up until the end of Act 3. After Act 3, without touching my gear except a decent weapon upgrade going from level 20 to level 48, was deleting every boss in around 15 seconds. They put waaaaaaaaaaaay to much power on gear compared to what you get from the skill tree. Its actually stupid just how much power progression is locked behind having just a half decent rolled rare in the campaign. They really need to adjust the power budget during the campaign because theres such an overwhelmingly massive difference in experience between someone who gets lucky with gear drops and someone who gets fairly unlucky.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

I mean I like it when it works ... But most of the time it doesn't work sadge

[@TheSilverwing999]

Struggling one ranger is certainly... interesting

[@omegacloud222]

@@TheSilverwing999 Yes it is considering thats how much power is locked behind having not even decently rolled gear but just usable gear. I would like to point out that i forgot to in the post that once i actually found a somewhat usable gear bosses would fall over. But if you roll nothing but trash youre effectively fighting an uphill battle no matter how good your tree is specc'd and its just sad. Edit: Ill also point out that i literally rolled virtually zero resists on gear for the vast majority of my ranger playthrough and was being basically insta killed my most things towards the ends of Act 2 and 3 when i was having to farm for hours for upgrades.

[@grantlawrence4600]

Thank you, Kripp, for emphasizing what needs to be said. SSF is good. Trade league is a mess.

[@rapha31b]

kripp is so right. i played now around 50 hours and the first 25 hours i just played sff. i found almost no upgrades then i hit a wall and the game just got so difficult and unfun that i started to trade. for just one orb of aug i doubled my dmg. i stopped upgrading my gear and started to buy whatever i needed because it is just a waste of time. last epoch has such a great upgrade mechanism, i don't understand why it is not industry standard.

[@JJS563]

Kripp has the most insane poker face. Dude should be scooping chips in the biggest casinos

[@RickCarleton]

Or hosting his own ventriloquist show.

[@Mrchichee]

The issue isn't the dodge roll itself; the real problem is that there are two types of games in one. The dodge roll works well in the campaign because the game is slow-paced and focuses on boss fights. Character scaling is gradual, so there's not enough damage to instantly delete these bosses, making the fights prolonged and enjoyable. However, once in maps, the dodge roll loses its purpose since our character has scaled to a point where we're essentially playing PoE 1 again-melting bosses and mobs. What’s the point of the dodge roll, then? It feels like GGG doesn’t know what direction to take with the game-whether to make it slow and precise or stick to the chaotic vision of PoE 1.

[@Mrchichee]

A good solution could be the ability to evolve the dodge roll into a teleport or something similar in the endgame. Just an idea.

[@shagath]

@@Mrchichee You can already do it with a spirit gem 'blink'. It replaces the dodge roll with a teleport.

[@Duoghan]

Dodge roll works well in souls game because of plus the heavy armor mechanics (you can't dodge as well but take less damage because of your defense). These are not in poe so they are kind of half baked for their intent.

[@thezod2307]

Campaign is better than end game, trading is better than crafting.

[@emoflowerr]

You're a content creator now, I am so proud of you tri.

[@ZRG22]

Don't encourage him. Men need to have actual jobs.

[@dok2k33]

Kripp didn’t blink his eyes for the whole interview! not even once. wow

[@Vashthalas]

Completely agree that the dodge roll feels inconsistent at best right now. Movement can be so much fun in video games, hoping they'll rethink some of the clunky-ness

[@kili3117]

Surprised for all the dodgeroll hate, for me its existence is one of the main reasons I like PoE2. Granted, it could be better implemented, but who knows, we are still in early access...

[@ShadowNetBG]

I'm playing with controller and the dodge feels natural.

[@SuperDaddyruss]

So so good on controller. Never thought I'd make the switch but I'm on controller in poe 2 to stay. It just feels too good. Like you said it really does feel natural.

[@aetherblackbolt1301]

I've noticed KB/M either can't change direction mid roll or it's very difficult for them to do so. WASD input is too linear and Mouse takes too much movement. Being able to easily change dodge direction mid roll or just rapidly change direction between movement and dodge direction with left stick really does make dodge roll feel amazing. My main complaint is that dodge speed/distance is tied to movement speed, heavy-armour (str stack) has the largest move speed penalty, and ranger/deadeye has so much more movespeed than warrior. It's just a little unfair in that regard, and I think warrior needs a buff to dodges.

[@maxpowers4436]

Still dont like it

[@Jaguar2kicks]

GGG really needs to figure out their controller scheme… it’s fantastic for the action but horrendous for the menu/gem/chat linking…. Why does GGG always do that? Excel at one side but terrible on the other side? Smh

[@rgjs4537]

​@@Jaguar2kicksbecause they crap over console players all the history. Game is garbage on console RN. Performance is heavily bad rn . U can't even do Rituals or breach.

[@scottduncan7099]

For me the problem with crafting is 2 fold. First, i dont have enough mats thru the campaign to actually craft and keep my gear up to par. Second, its all a gamble. I have no real control of what i craft beyond the base. Its all RNG. Not a fan of that. At least not when thats all it is.

[@davidfrazier6308]

yeah crafting in this game is garbage poe 1 was awesome with crafting and maps you could build exactly what you wanted in POE 2 its a waste of currency unless you have a ton of currency yo can burn then you can get lucky.

[@elimgarak1127]

Calling it crafting at all is an insult to crafting in games.

[@1113pablo]

@@davidfrazier6308 Ye totaly love to finish like 20+ maps to place tablets in towers, so i can actuly run good maps around overlaping towers such, fun mechanic compared to POE1 just ad some scarabs and go.

[@zaiyas1408]

In the end game it’s meh but it definitely needs work. I just do maps with orbs of transmutation, orb of augmentation and scrolls of wisdom on me and I literally craft on every good base item/magic item i get to drop during a map. So for example I got a base expert energy shield helmet got cold res then lightening res then got 90% energy shield and then I got 100 max life then got intelligence then after I qualities it and put a socket on it I corrupted it and rolled +29 spirit from the corruption. I turned a junk normal item into a 7 divine helmet and it was 100% RNG which is why it’s a meh system. If you do what I’ll do you’ll eventually get lucky I’ve gotten multiple divine valued items from doing this. Also make sure you spend some of your gold gambling rings from Ava. I gambled 500k worth of gold and got probably 3 divines worth of good rings. Again it’s RNG but definitely worth doing

[@lordofchaosinc.261]

Exactly it's linear and RNG bar some ultrarare crafting items in endgame. And in campaign I got dozens of items waiting for a regal that never comes... In PoE 1 the item was bricked when you hit a bad corruption else yo could craft it. Here it's usually bricked when the first augment rolls some light radius. This is similar to PoE1 rare items found on the ground which are 99% dropped useless in the late game because of the tight RNG. Best upgrades came from vendors and that's bad design.

[@GuerillaBunny]

I've leveled 3 characters through the campaign now, and it's been a rollercoaster, even within a single character. To begin, scaling feels pretty bad, because I never really know how much defenses I need. At one moment, I'm just cruising, and suddenly I'm getting one-shot or stunlocked to death. It's jarring. Zoning has a similar effect; cruising, move to another zone, and it's one-shot after one-shot by trivial trash. The part about dodge rolling is actually interesting. I feel like I end up spamming it, because I don't know when I'm safe. At the end of the day, my biggest problem with the game is that while it promises endless opportunities for experimentation, failed experiments have such a steep cost (in gold, experience, map progression, time, etc) that I just don't want to. And it looks like whatever "soulslike" design they wanted for the game is not fun for anyone else either, because they'd just rather bypass the challenges with one-shot builds. And for a game that puts such a big emphasis on avoiding enemy attacks, it really puts some extra challenges on it by not highlighting all rare enemies, having almost invisible telegraphs for lethal attacks, or generating so much visual noise that it's impossible to see anything. The characters I played are not meta in any sense, because I go for the theme and aesthetic. And none of them just feel good, I think partly because much like with enemies, the biggest damage doesn't come from where it feels like it should, ie. the spells with the chunkiest visual effects and sounds. Pathfinder and Frost Sorc have decent damage, but the playstyles are just clunky and don't really feel satisfying. Chaos dot Witch has a fun playstyle, but the damage is underwhelming, and the talent tree requires a lot of beelining, because the Chaos damage clusters are scattered all over the place. And while ascendancies would fix the issue, the ones we have seem to have tedious gimmicks, and not fitting with the theme. To me it's just kind of ironic that while the developer of its spiritual predecessor moved away from tedious mechanics like resistances, PoE2 feels like a stale blast from the past to me in that regard. PS. Don't think of this just as a "game too hard" whining. I like a challenge. What I do not like is a learning experience that penalizes for failure. I just don't want to do Maps, because I have no idea what's going to be irreversibly gone if I die. Which I will (because I have). So I'm just not going to bother. So I have no reason to play, since the endgame feels dissatisfying.

[@RamzaBehoulve]

Right now I feel it's best to play an hybrid of ssf-trade by picking league and limiting yourself to only items you could actually find yourself. I did all campaign ssf-like and I'm not buying anything of ilvl above my highest cleared map. Really enjoying the game that way and when I don't get an upgrade for a few hours, I can check the market at least.

[@WraeclastRoadhouse]

adding sockets to the dodge roll actually sounds genius. being able to modify it with stuff like blink as a support would be awesome!

[@toukoenriaze9870]

Still feel like it's super cheap that the dodge roll is the exact same for all 6 chars

[@Stratocaster42]

I play PoE because of Kripp :)

[@bawzzzz]

I appreciate a lot the time you spent some time on the warrior / mace archetype. The archetype really has a lot of fundamental issues especially compared to other archetypes and GGG needs to have a HARD look at them.

[@ShadyHarbinger666]

To Kirpp's last advice: could be easily solved by restricting item usage to character level more, taking ILevel and affix tiers into account.

[@TheKruxed]

4:50 Kripp talking about the /oos, we used to have a keybind for it back in 2011/2012. Desync was a huge issue for me trying to play the game until lockstep came around, the greatest update ever

[@elektrar9620]

Rarity, crafting…Last Epoch has an elegant solution, not perfect, but the best I have seen in ARPGs. There is no rarity affix in the game, but through the campaign you choose to be in a faction = merchant or prophecy. Joining one or the other alternates the possibility of trading and drops bringing trade and SSF much closer. I can imagine having a side quest in act 5 or 6 where the player could choose to have more loot or to trade. Each would have its own passive tree where you could decide what you want to focus on. If GGG would be heavily inspired by LE faction system and crafting, POE2 would be a much better game

[@EnderElohim]

i really hope they bring poe crafting back

[@nightfingerzramone1006]

43:30 I’ve been using a Monk dodge roll skill (a dummy is left behind that, if ‘killed’, gives a power charge for the follow-up Charged Staff skill). I roll both into and away from mobs trying to get the power charge

[@taylon5200]

Still just so much worse than combat frenzy

[@Waiden_CZ]

Maybe if dodge roll had cooldown but the entire dodge roll animation would give invulnerability it would feel better.

[@JuanMassive]

The giant skeleton that bellyflops... imagine 10 of them, screen wide clearing lol

[@Sypher-NL]

Kripp is such an OG! A real legend of the genre!

[@kenzou84]

I played PoE2 its undercooked for now, I trust GGG, for now I'll play PoE1 more diversity and content.

[@elenexxenele8443]

Kripp so good at seeing things in games.

[@randomhero6365]

You guys bounced off eachother pretty good. Nice pod, thanks for upload

[@CTL]

Active block, even on offhand, made melee feel so much easier than ranged in campaign (as long as you know the boss animations) for me

[@Corusame]

I fully expect a big patch to drop after the holidays are over which addresses all the biggest issues. The endgame feels very placeholder in areas and I can see some dramatic changes coming.

[@strongman7687]

I doubt the patch will be the moment the holidays are over because that implies they've been working on it over the holidays, which they havent

[@Corusame]

@@strongman7687 yeah it'll likely take a while

[@Lilybun]

dodge roll does feel a bit undercooked. for a class like merc with the xbow it 100% feels like i should have the ability to augment it to reload a bolt. i'm sure other classes would vibe with something similar

[@Vashetrockner]

It is really hard to put the feeling of the dodgeroll into words. It is responsive on its activation, but intransparent in terms of i-frames and clunky in the last bits of the animation. Maybe giving us control back more early with a small cooldown (0.5 seconds kinda-ish) would feel better? Hope they balance all in all everything around the non cruel experience. :)

[@mikeparradise9333]

Idk, if its just me that feels it, but I never feel out of control, you can roll and land almost on the same position you started the roll

[@theastorianknight1669]

Dodge roll not important… 🤦‍♂️. Tell that to all the one shot bosses in the game… it definitely saved me a lot.

[@PALX50]

Really great content Tri! I am new to your channel but have been putting on your podcasts while playing for the past weeks. Small unasked for piece of constructive feedback, feel free to ignore: Brian F does something similar to you in the fighting game scene and starts his interviews with a little edited introduction of his guests which i really like and might help newer people to the scene with some context!

[@purge2202]

"which part of the dodge roll has immunity frames" Answer: None. its not a souls dodge, its just a fast move. And the parts where you seem low to the ground dodge projectiles, but thats about it.

[@purge2202]

anything but a projectile that physically hits you while in the middle of a dodge roll will always still hit you.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

Pretty sure you dodge the projectile no matter what but for the rest ye

[@purge2202]

@@toukoenriaze9870 i know its only for a % of the animation and so far its visually matched for me the parts where u on the ground, but i got the % info pre release so it may have changed.

[@Forbidden_Chocolate]

They should adjust the hitbox of ranger or bow skills that jump on air, i used toxic growth to dodge but still got hit even tho i was supposedly in the air

[@Delfofthebla]

"If someone from 2012 PoE played PoE2 they would still find the game familiar". Call me crazy but this is one of the most damning knocks against the game that I have heard and it's incredibly accurate.

[@TheSeth256]

If it's good, why make big changes for no reason?

[@AlfredThompsonIV]

@@TheSeth256 no, 2012 PoE was not that good...

[@ninemetal]

I mean you could say this about arpg's in general. All arpg's feel familiar to an extent. And each numbered entry in a series tends to feel familiar to the games that came before it. People overall are resistant to big changes and arpg's are comfort food games for many so if the changes are too big then the audience tends to be smaller.

[@Delfofthebla]

@@ninemetal Honestly man after playing Last Epoch I was so unbelievably excited to see what kind of innovations PoE 2 would bring to the table. That game did a lot of new stuff in interesting ways and the only thing really holding it back is a quantity of content. With GGG working for 6~ years on PoE 2 I was expecting something on that level at the _start_ of early access. And then I find that PoE 2's only real innovation is that it added WASD. That's it. Don't get me wrong, I like WASD, but I was hoping for new currency orbs. Or a complete rework of the orb system. I wanted entirely new notables on the skill tree and a removal of all the old ones. I wanted Energy shield to simply not exist. I wanted elemental ailments to be gone or be completely reworked. I wanted new mods on gear. I wanted new skills. I wanted new supports. I wanted new uniques that changed the way we played. I could go on and on. Instead I got everything that was in PoE1 from 10 years ago, but _less_ of it. No blessed orbs. No scours. No Alterations. No eldritch orbs. No chisels. No sacred orbs. No bench crafting. No harvest crafting. Sure, monk and merc have a few unique skills to their classes and that's great, but every other class felt like exact 1:1 copies of what we already had in PoE 1. Removing all of that stuff (and much more) would be totally fine if this was a new game. But it's not. It's the _same_ _game_ from 2012 and that's incredibly disappointing.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

​@@DelfoftheblaLE has plans of adding wasd soon too lel ... And we have a more interesting dodge roll called evade already

[@harrynazarian3184]

Kripp should play professional poker. The fact that his facial expression stays solid like that, beyond legendary. I guess all that Hearthstone streaming finally broke him.

[@johnthebarbarian]

Would it be a bad idea to give people in SSF (of any kind) a currency drop chance multiplier? Specially if youre trying to incentivize slamming gear

[@spencers1485]

Yes it would be a bad idea. Ssf is meant as a challenge mode. The game is balanced around trade. People that choose to play ssf need to nut up or shut up.

[@kylespratt4419]

Spamming dodge roll, as opposed to timing a dodge roll, is the same as just standing there doing nothing.

[@MKPwrz]

Agreed I think the difference for some is the feeling of having to roll all the time. I'm the same with souls games I don't enjoy dodge rolling but if you give me a deflect like in Sekiro and instantly I love it. The main games I like Dodging in are games like bayonetta MGSR DmC even monster hunter, when I feel like Dodging doesn't break the momentum or leads into a different moveset

[@maxpowers4436]

The amount of times you are required to dodge roll is why its spamming its integral to the gameplay. Not 1 meaniful dodge in 30min lmao you use it ALOT.

[@johnoden5932]

The thing people keep misunderstanding with dodge is you should almost never use it because stopping attacking and walking for 2 seconds is going to get you twice as far as a dodge in the same time frame people are just so focused on always attacking and refuse to stop to interact with mechanics, this is coming from someone maining warrior.

[@dimitrikoger304]

​@johnoden5932 dodge roll and walk speed coincide so not really the only difference is you can use SOME attacks while walking but they are actually the same speed

[@johnoden5932]

@dimitrikoger304 the speed of movement is the same but the recovery on roll makes it less usable in combat where walking while not attacking allows for change in position without locking you in place at all as dodge does.

[@SponsoredbyPfizer]

44:57 I understand the dodge roll very easily from the game. Roger’s has stated you have I frames till you hit the ground and that has match my game experience

[@barmiiiii]

0:12 202012 nice year

[@Atilakus]

Apparently 14 years dude :)

[@TriscoG]

He said july 202012 sounds weird but yeah lol

[@tomtomkowski7653]

They were working on the EndGame for 7 months so no wonder a lot of things are broken but... For me, the biggest problems are: - broken armor dmg mitigation, (this idea that the bigger the hit the less mitigation is good on paper but totally unnecessary and doesn't work) - weak melee class. Playing Ranger or even Monk is like playing this game on EasyMode when compared to Warrior. - broken passive tree built for ES characters only, - non-existing crafting system (what we have is a broken gambling mini-game, not a crafting system), essences should work like omens combined with ExaltedOrbs - lack of in-game action-house for items (WoW was able to do it 20 years ago because going outside the game, pinging people, waiting for the response, visiting them, being able to buy only what's online, etc is just a lame and broken system), - the game is built around reflex-checker dodge-roll without movement skills. - unclear charms mechanism without any notification or icon - one attempt is a broken mechanism especially if you are additionally punished with lost XP and all items you put to juice the map - visual clarity doesn't exist and what makes it even worse is a terrible idea with on-death AoE dmg you can't even see - your dmg in 99% comes from a weapon so you can have everything else (tree, skills, gear) perfect and you will do nothing without a really good weapon if you are out of luck. - trials are also terribly made

[@cebolinha-oliginal]

45:00 I don’t think dodge roll has any s in PoE2, it only accelerates the first part of the roll and slows at the get up part. To anyone who was “dodge rolled” IRL, it seems quite right. Dodge rolling covers the same distance as running in the same amount time, but covers it faster on the first part of the movement (rolling) and slower on the second (getting up). Dodge rolling also treats the projectiles as 3D objects instead of 2D, meaning that on the rolling part you effectively “duck” under the projectiles (there is no colision effect), that’s why you can also duck under bosses arms when they swing. That’s another reason why the warrior’s leap felt bugged to me, because if I can roll under projectiles, I should be able to jump over them, but instead even in the air I get hit (in fact the collision effect is triggered hitting “nothing” under you character while the exiled is in the air).

[@SponsoredbyPfizer]

Rogers said there are I frames while you are in the air for the dodge, then once you hit the ground you can be hit.

[@samheyes6788]

woah, kripp will still be reviewing poe1 in 202012?

[@Chnmmr]

My problem with the dodge roll, I find that in some boss fights, all I do IS roll. The hectic fights are just rolling rolling rolling *instacast ability* roll roll roll and repeat. There's a real danger that dependence on dodge rolling will lead to lazy boss design where every boss is full of one-shots and flurry attacks. Telegraphing is essential for dodge rolls to work, and often I find there are none. This coming from someone who's played and beated DS1 2 3, Elden Ring, Wukong, and other Souls like games.

[@Jaguar2kicks]

Yeah too much dodge rolling. There’s no strategy per se…

[@jonathans9427]

Great take here. GW2 had a similar game design issue for the same reason during its early years.

[@nicolaos355]

Right now there is so many things that need to be "fixed" to keep me interested long term.

[@levitastic]

Imagine the meteor mobs or the blood mobs as spectres

[@klefthoofrobert787]

Biggest problem i have with mixing ARPG with a soulslike is that they took the worst parts of both. Getting staggered by enemy attacks made sense in a Soulslike because you will be fighting 1 single mob like 99% of the times. It has no logic to be in this game where pretty much every mob (which is not undead or ranged) moves quicker than you, can surround you in half a sec, and then staggerlock your character to death if you don't react fast enough. You also CANNOT dodge if you are surrounded by enough enemies, adding fuel to this problem. Secondarily getting frozen in this game is insta death, managing resistances with so many item suffixes is extremely challenging, and to be hones, they should've included "leggings" like an extra item slot, it seems you are underpowered unless you reach like lvl 90+ where you have a somewhat fully formed build -> Devs that have no life thought it was a funny idea to include on the tower maps, both the ghosts that have best tracking on earth for their freezing AOE carpet attack (and they also turn invisible and cannot be damaged, they will also turn invisible while you cc them, i've frozen many and they disappeared before my comet hit and appeared outta nowhere again) on the same map with these fookers, which is basically very narrow hexagonal rooms with extremely narrow bridges in between, with all of that they also added the Aztec frost mages that spam eye of winter (aka D2 frost orb) As someone who excells in both ARPGs and Soulslikes for pretty much my entire gaming life, i think Devs big issues ahead, they need to revisit some fundamental aspects of the game, best one would be, as i said, remove stagger from this game COMPLETELY, i see no reason on gods green earth why i should be hit 1-2 times by an enemy, my spell animation is interrupted and i also lose the spell's cooldown :)) in a game where i die once, lose a map, and besides the map and the exp lost, the map also loses all it's modifiers like the boss battle, the +1 to monster level and so on. To enclose, i think the game overall is too punishing (especially for non streamers or non no life ARPG players) it has too many things that benefit the enemies and too little things that benefit or help the player, and these complaints are coming from a Frost Sorceress, i cry every day for the torture that melee players feel in this game, i can't even imagine touching this flaming garbage as a melee. P.S. if you ask me to watch a build video, then the devs are failing, not the player, again, these top tier builds are thought out and calculated by players that have been doing this pretty much their whole existence, it's expected they find a way to deal with endgame, but how can you expect a normal guy with a job to both play this game and reach endgame (which is by itself a big time investment) to also ask them to watch videos :) like nah man. Did i mention your dodge doesn't provide s in this game? it does not :P

[@lenni-hazels]

I agree with many of your points but dodge roll definitely provides s in PoE 2. Also there is the "+ stun threshold" stat that helps immensly with the stagger. There are some enemy attacks that always hit though. I will say the warrior/mace experience is BAAAD in early game. It's very difficult compared to all the other classes/weapons.

[@klefthoofrobert787]

@@lenni-hazels It does not provide s, you can low ground ranged attacks, but for melee you don't have s, you confuse s with just gaining enough distance from the enemy to miss it. If you get surrounded by melee monsters and cannot dodge away, you can time your dodge how you want, they will land and one shot you :) -> i've died like this many times on maps so i'm quite sure it does not have s, but data miners will confirm this soon hopefully.

[@lostwookiee81]

Monk after level 14 is God tier to play and it's melee

[@lenni-hazels]

@@klefthoofrobert787 It took me a few hours of playtime to confirm that s are a thing, I would be very surprised if that was wrong. It's in the middle of the dodge though and not super long, from what i can tell.

[@lenni-hazels]

@@klefthoofrobert787 I'm just gonna paste what I found on the net about this: "Dodge roll actually does give i-frames, but not to every type of hit. "The start of the roll animation will make most strikes and projectiles miss, but it can't avoid area abilities or big telegraphed attacks such as slams.""

[@patg14]

I'd prefer a 200ms cooldown on dodgeroll that doesn't slow you after

[@Mark-sd4hv]

I played POE1 at launch for a week. I hated it. So I quit for over a decade I think... When I came back before PoE2 launched it was a totally different game. Like I remember you started in a dark cave area, now you start on a beach. When did they change the campaign?

[@GRIMHOOD99]

Pretty sure twilight strand was in the game since public beta.

[@kreeshaHD]

I wanna see what my final numbers are, like how much multiplayers and damagae outcomes, now i dont even know what damage my minions do, and when i change something i dont know if is different and how

[@MattDoesLife539]

That dodge roll gem support take is fking 10/10.

[@soulstealer5625]

Spectre wise, river hags have gotta be reworked. Imagine dropping arbiter thanks to a drowning orb xd

[@Forbidden_Chocolate]

I was trying to read the debuff of her skill then i insta died 🤣

[@KingTaltia]

"You're still turning the meta, you're still Grinding the Gear" ... (Slow realization) ... ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! (Facepalms) God I feel like an idiot for not noticing that before.

[@kaiseravm]

really liked this interview thank you for keeping this podcast tri and stay sane tala moana

[@S3frog]

It's very clear to me that Kripp doesn't play melee when he speaks about dodge roll. I'm playing a mace warrior and being able to use dodge roll for animation cancelling and repositioning is huge.

[@jjlw2378]

I want trading for the longevity of the game, but I also want to experience pure self find progression during my 1st play through. I enjoy the dopamine hit of finding an amazing item that helps my build. I think that type of experience is what maintains player retention and gets me excited to log on.

[@mudflaps9280]

Get rid of XP loss in POE2, it has no place in a 1 life 1 portal endgame. I agree with Kripps comments on this that it is too brutal in POE2.

[@Knights_of_the_Nine]

Keep xp loss but don't lose boss fights with 1 death.

[@Divecrown]

I think the problem with defenses come from trying to enable a certain streamlined difficulty throughout the game by limiting movement and using the dodge. The problem with this though is that they've only half-assed it by making the dodge only good in a handfull of scenarios and still heavily relying on the classical system of trying to find more EHP through items. This doesnt work with the lack of mobility and limited defense options for a good amount of characters where the game becomes either nearly impossible or the player becomes near immortal and you dont have to engage tactically with the enemies at all. I think the solution to this would be to further incentivise the dodgeroll by making it a stronger defensive tool combined with flattening the damage the player receives so that building for decent defenses is easier and allows one to take a reasonable amount of hits from both normal enemies and bosses and then balancing around having to dodge more and pulling groups of enemies depending on how far above the baseline you are, either in terms of damage/area cc or defenses.

[@Akrymir]

The concept of the dodge roll is just a catchall. It's not reasonable to expect dev teams to create different dodge animations for every permutation and combination of attacks that can occur, then dynamically trigger the correct animation for a given scenario in order for it to line up visually. So, instead of wasting a mountain of dev time and effort on all that we just have a dodge roll with i-frames. This is honestly an extremely weird thing to have an issue with and highlights a lack of understanding of fundamental concepts.

[@Soundwave299]

Imo he’s wrong about the dodge roll. If you chain dodge it doesn’t do much but barely give distance but if you time the dodge at the right time the attack won’t track you and you can get a couple hits in. Paired with temp chains you really notice it. Devs stated there is no immunity frames in dodge roll. Regardless it’s not meant to be chained repeatedly. Taking the key passive that lets you dodge all hits is huge for dodging.

[@m96k3y7]

@27:55 roumor has it that boss is still rocking darude sandstorm till this day.

[@jeffrey778]

the river hags, that spawn the ball of water that kills in like 5 seconds could be good. the blood vomit witchs in act 1 can be good. the blood countesses near the end of act 1 look like they can empower allies with bleed stuff. there were tons of monsters i was like i wish i had them as a specter.

[@trapper1211]

I so hope they're not gonna listen to kripp's complaints about the dodge roll, cuz its the most fun and polioshed thing about the game. It feels better than in any souls or monster hunter game. Which is incredibly good and fun to use.

[@avalokiteshvara113]

Lol

[@Forbidden_Chocolate]

Personally i think the rolling is janky but they kinda have to make it like that bc the bosses in poe2 are much less threatening compared to souls/monster hunter. In elden ring bosses are designed to roll catch u, in MH bosses pressure u when they r enraged. Poe2 bosses relies on mobs, body blocking, & one shots to be threatening, once u can deal with the mobs bosses becomes less threatenin

[@aman2424]

So far the only thing that I think really sucks extremely much, is that I keep getting oneshot in T4 maps on my Deadeye while rescapped and having sta on all pieces except bow/quiver, still below 3k hp. Ridiculous tbh but they'll fix it me hopes. The only real problems are the mobs that leap towards you from offscreen, and they just evaporate me instantly. Cant even dodgeroll their crap

[@aetherblackbolt1301]

+Life on gear will help a lot more than +Str in that case. You also want to make sure your resistances are maxed out.

[@jeffrey778]

i dont under stand how other people dont understand the difference trade makes. the difference is literally having power full items or nothing at all in this game.

[@MikkiZHskDK]

they feel like 2 different games during the campaign but honestly, in maps i cant tell the difference, breach is spitting out loot so insanely that its hard to see anything without a proper filter, and you just zoom through maps and screen clear the enemies, it was what i wanted to avoid, give us the same pace as the campaign, smaller maps, more bosses, and a feel of fighting and no1 zoom zoom go go gadget.

[@alexanderstainton3199]

Make the Dodge roll more consistent somehow. It just doesn't feel right when lining up a Dodge. Maybe make movement gems that bind to your Dodge that can modify your movement.

[@amaggixz]

16:07 I cracked a laugh with that clarification tbf x)

[@siipis7766]

I wanna have those huge dinosauruses that shoot lightning laserbeam as spectre. Propably horrible as minion but funny as hell

[@Granulomacure]

I don’t understand how people even bothered with trade on this game until the much later weeks. I dunno I love ssf play style over just buying something

[@ever1309]

I hope GGG can give us the Poe1 craft bench but uses gold as crafting fees in January next year.

[@timpeterson175]

“I don’t like dodge roll but I like active block” “So I used dodge roll a couple times then active block and it was awesome” 😂

[@EliteGamerXX]

This guy is 1 of only 2 in the world to defeat pre-nerf Hardcore Inferno D3 Diablo kill.

[@DarkSpartan343]

I feel like you've taken inspiration from Sean Evans from Hot Ones, very custom built interviews depending on the interviewee.

[@andresalonso1143]

I do have to disagree with Kripp about dodge rolling. I've been doing a melee build and the dodge roll feels amazing and is an actually great repositioning tool!! It's weird that Kripp says active block works well and doge doesn't, when they cover such a similar function mechanically. Being able to modify the dodge more IS a good idea though, that I've thought of. At the moment I think the only two things that interact with it are socketing Blink and Lingering Illusion.

[@tenmamut]

rolling on the ground does look stupid, I don't know why devs insist on rolling, you could do a little dash or a jump or just fast long step, literally anything

[@Waiden_CZ]

I love Kripp since his D3 Barb.

[@Lom-hk2bb]

I had a visceral reaction to "I hate souls games". So here's some engagement I guess. I would highly recommend giving them another shot, of course they are not for everyone, but souls is an incredibly important series for understanding Action rpgs and the video games industry as a whole. As a side note - dodging in souls games is very different from poe. The way you move in souls is all but locked in from the start of the game - no movement speed buffs, no blink (except something like bloodhounds step in elden ring), and the majority of players are expected to damage bosses in melee combat. Basically, there are far fewer mobility options, and exactly 3 possible roll timings (lets ignore ds2), which allows the devs to refine the exact feeling and flow of combat, and make it feel absolutely wonderful. PoE2 on the other hand... has nearly uncountable combinations, it is impossible to test thoroughly, and so a mechanic like dodge will always be broken in some respect (either positively or negatively) Edit: Souls also balances heavily around stamina. Basically any combat action (including running and dodging) requires stamina - which necessitates you weaving some 'rest' and allows monsters and bosses to recover and have a chance to attack you as well. Souls games are basically rhythm games. Edit2: Immunity frames in souls games give complete immunity. PoE dodge rolling is not completely immune, and so inherently weaker. Edit3: I also like the beetles surrounding me! (leveled 2 warriors to 85) Skill issue in my opinion.

[@maxpowers4436]

Bro stop getting triggered by someone not liking your games. Let alot mechanics from another genre coming in a serious you like.

[@__-bk6mm]

It is not a bad take at all about the beatles, people should have to adapt to environment changes

[@thomasgrimm1664]

No Kripp stream in post? Sadge.

[@MatheusRebelo]

Guy got so nervous that was at The Goat’s presence that he said 202012 😂

[@QQWoLPHie]

I believe that they didn't have stacks on currency back then because the idea was the trade window Is your amount of space that you can offer Whatever you can offer in that window.if You couldn't fit it, You can't offer it. That's how I was for Diablo 2 back in version 1.09 windforce was 40 stones of Jordans

[@guyii6545]

Intutivly people expect the dodge roll to give you s but its kinda not a dodge and just a roll. Its needs to have a real function that adds to combat flow instead of breaking it imo.

[@aman2424]

I think we all know SSF is the ultimate game mode, but it is a game mode accessible exclusively to the nolivers because who has time to gear a character by yourself in a game like PoE when you only have a few months to do so before everything gets deleted? Nobody but those who can commit themself 100% to the game. I wish I could just play SSF over a multiple-year period and work on the same build with the same league mechanics, but that's never going to happen. So for me it's 500 euro into playerauctions and I just buy whatever I want and blast for a few hours in the weekends for fun

[@lostwookiee81]

Economy resets exist to prevent CC swipers like you from ruining the game more than you already do. Least you aren't afraid to admit that you engage with illegal trade sites so I'll give you that.

[@DannyRhym3z]

I think hes right about dodge roll, i would much prefer it if it didnt exist

[@vuton7670]

no one here is forcing you to use dodge. also, why are you hating on free "dash-ish"

[@DannyRhym3z]

@vuton7670 the game forces you to use dodge. That's the problem. There's no gearing or "out-statting" it.

[@heronwhisky]

I think warrior will feel a lot better with swords and axes

[@jpVari]

Amazing how people find other good builds when a build gets nerfed. Almost like having one build dominate for any reason is bad for the exploration desire in early access.