D2R 2.5 Sunder Charms - You Are Reading It Wrong

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Monster Magic Immunity Is Sundered, Monster Cold Immunity is Sundered, Monster Fire Immunity is Sundered, Monster Lightning Immunity is Sundered, Monster Poison Immunity is Sundered, Monster Physical Immunity is Sundered.
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[@kevindumont2507]

Reminds me of the time when mcdonalds wanted to sell a "1/3 pounder", but sales were abysmal as, evidently, most people thought the 1/4 pounder was the bigger one.

[@Gerald0613]

Well 4 is bigger than 3 and that's all that mattress

[@kevindumont2507]

@@Gerald0613 Rakanishu

[@legendcrump2375]

​@@Gerald0613 yeah but 1/4 isn't bigger than 1/3

[@dougjudy4268]

​@@legendcrump2375 no shit

[@martixagent]

Except it sunder charms aren't read wrong because of misunderstanding, it's worded horribly.

[@redelfshotthefood8213]

This is why people need a Ginger Gaming Mentor.

[@AlekTrev006]

🎶 He brings Wisdom from afar, bout’ our favorite - D2R ! With his style and his wit, man we hope he’ll never quit ! And as all of us grow older, may our D-2-passion nevah’ smoulder - cause we got a Ginger Mentor with Chinchilla on his shoulder !” 🎶 - Ode to GGM-sensei ☺️

[@your_eulogy2688]

@@bset2603 non existent vocabulary. Or they don't play the game 🤷 idk lol

[@Nahelus]

Or go to school lmao

[@joshmoore5394]

I love how GGM slows the the speech to a crawl to get it through thicker skulls haha

[@gutts1405]

I laughed hard at this. I just haven't got the time to keep in the loop with the new gear so I didn't understand sunder charms. I'm definitely one of those thicker skulls 🤣😭

[@davelopan249]

I had a hell of a time explaining this to my uncle and some of his friends LOL. Decided I'd just send them this video. Thanks again GGM. Keep up the good work man!

[@virusmarc]

Tnx alot mate. Now i understand it because of your video.

[@GVideo34]

Thank you for the info if I ever get one lol!

[@jakeb8551]

Great explanation. I've seen this craziness where people offer high runes for the max neg on the resistance thinking they are getting a perf charm while in reality, they are getting the bottom one.

[@PedroJPedro]

Take advantage of it if you can. One man’s blunder is another man’s pay day.

[@dannykoorevaar1574]

I just love this haha.

[@Se7enStage]

I had a guy pass up on my 76 lightning sunder because he'd rather ''hold out for something closer to 90'' lol

[@your_eulogy2688]

Lolol sold an 86 cold sunder for a Sur towards the start of ladder. Added a lem rune but still

[@joshdsimmons90]

Great video dude 😎 thanks

[@jamesstencil1916]

Lmfao. I was so confused. This made it so clear. Thank you thank you

[@your_eulogy2688]

I'm not sure how sunder charms arent obvious haha but thanks for more content! Found my 1st Jah ever today, 91 terror blood moor

[@hushamfusion]

Found my first Jah three days ago on Arcane Sanctuary and I was so happy ^^

[@manowartank8784]

well the wording "resistance is sundered" is quite criptic, as it doesn't tell what "sundered" means...

[@your_eulogy2688]

@@manowartank8784 breaking apart resistances, man!

[@borispsalman]

ok so team jah it is, yesterday found my first too from hell cows, my bowazon just paid for her gear with a nice surplus :D

[@mikewatkins225]

Easy to understand, understood from the beginning. It is the same concept as the barbs skill "Berserk", to get all that power, defense is sacrificed.

[@TheNjahNjahNjah]

Damnit, I threw out few good ones (started playing solo terror zones).. well, they still drop like crazy

[@Adromelk]

LOL. The look on your face my dude. Keep your head up and thanks for makin this stuff.

[@GGMentor]

It was deliberate 🤣

[@John-wx6wj]

Easy fix would be for blizz to actually have clear descriptions of the items. Too much to ask I know.

[@WarumWiesoWeshalb]

how dare you to want something from them! ;) we are only lousy consumers ^^

[@Itz_KLONOPIN]

I really enjoy this man's sense of humor haha he cracks me uppp 😄

[@GGMentor]

I crack myself up a lot too XD

[@damonharvey1038]

Simple enough. Clear as mud. Thanks for clearing that up.

[@NeoRizer]

This is good, thanks for explaining. I honestly though it did both.... like it reduced their immunties -% and also yours -% ... so that means less is better... so 70% is a perfect rolled sunder... 90% is worse... awesome!

[@Bromon_Diction]

glad they changed the wording, much needed even though i realised what it meant.

[@coolguy125]

Pokes you in the eye got me lol. People kept dropping the lowers charms on ground in terror games so I picked em all up

[@Saantiix]

Thanks

[@ghostshade]

Great now i can just send this link to people that dont understand the charms. You are going to save me a lot of time and sanity.

[@redelfshotthefood8213]

I thought the trade off of a sunder charm was obvious. Until you can lower their res some other way, sundering isn’t useful. But hey. I’m still in nightmare because I love to play too many classes at once.

[@stuka80]

Im gonna have to disagree on the usefulness. Obviously you are gonna try to make up for the negative resistance but even with it being in the far negative, i went from farming at a snails pace due to the monster immunities or outright avoiding the area altogether, to instantly able to farm efficiently at a similar pace as before i encountered the immune monsters. The benefits of sundering immunities far far outweight its negative. You'll realize this when you get to hell mode.

[@AlekTrev006]

@@stuka80 I think he just means, ‘IF we had ONLY the Sunders, and Immune enemies could only ever be broken to 95% Resistant, then they’d not be THAT exciting or earth-shattering”. Dealing only 5% of your listed damage to enemies with 3000-10,000 HP in Hell Difficulty would be kind of painful / take forever, and most Players would still try to skip or ignore them. But BECAUSE we Do have several items that further reduce a Sundered enemy, then they actually Are rather powerful / useful, in the Endgame.

[@stuka80]

@@AlekTrev006 yea i gotcha

[@Vesp3r1987]

idk how people still didnt understand this... i mean just put the charm and see your resist

[@chuckgnades6672]

thanks dude. this video was very useful for me. i noticed the other day that my res was terrible all of a sudden. i had found two sunders and was carrying them. i was under the impression that the negative res was how much the charm reduced the monsters res. haha.

[@TheKillingPerfection]

where do you find sunders?

[@Roadsurfer2k11]

​@@TheKillingPerfection hell Terror zones off named mobs.. Champs and stuff

[@omniunown]

So.. Are there people who don't check their stats when they change their gear? Otherwise, how do you miss that?

[@Derzull2468]

So, there are people that trust the character sheet? Jk, I check it, although I don't trust damage calculation one bit.

[@tylerm8145]

Hoooooly shit I can't believe that this had to be said. I can sort of understand interpreting it this way, but oof. And managing to deliver this info without sounding wildly condescending...well done, ginger

[@maccawacca69]

Well I gave away a 70 cold sunder to some random while keeping a 85 sunder.. I feel nice and also dumb now.

[@GGMentor]

Well now you know, and he got a nice gift

[@michaelbosch2196]

Lol I love the disappointed father tone 🤣 I would feel bad for misunderstanding this

[@ItsShooty]

...that was the first time "booger enema" has cursed my ear holes and my god I hope its the last. 10/10 video by the way, people need this information.

[@GGMentor]

Lol I read this comment on stream you have now cursed many more people with the term

[@ItsShooty]

@@GGMentor They can share in my pain

[@talvald]

thank got you good sir. Now i no longer need to look up what sunder does :) i knew that -% was destroing me and not mobs what i didn't know that sunder is set monster to 95%

[@camronchrisman7096]

I had a guy argue with me about the percentage of the charms lol. He thought literally the higher % was better. I had to school em and remind him that it's a NEGATIVE and that closer to 0% is better

[@leejordan001]

Dumb people are dumb LOL... It's like if you have a positive aids test it is good isn't it? It is positive so it is good! Thats why you need to listen in scool...

[@UnreliableUsername]

This reminds me of that meme of the blue or gold dress... some people see it one way others another I thought it was pretty damn obvious the negative res affects you

[@GynxXys]

Great video, thanks. I just got back to D2R and the sundered charms made no sense to me. So basically just stack up on small charms with the resistance you're using on the sundered to make up for the negative. I have a question though please. Would the conviction aura on infinity stack up with the -5% ress (from 100%) that you get from the charm? So does that translate to additional damage?

[@GGMentor]

Yes with the 1/5th penalty on Conviction or Lower Res.

[@TrongNguyen-jt6pt]

Was happy when an -90 resist charm drop. After watching your video I'm sad.

[@roberthampton2629]

Does this mean cold poison and magic are the best, cause those damage types are the least scary to worry about?

[@GGMentor]

They are the easiest to counter yes

[@FrEeWaY7k]

The effect could be considered a passive Good vid alot of Confusion with those for sure.

[@godofm3tal1]

Imagine coming out of pocket hard to get the -90 res out of sheer ignorance.

[@yanibuhov4081]

If we use infinity though is it like i think it is? 95 % -17% which is 78% lightning resistance for example or is it like before for example 110res monster-17 = 93 res. I guess I am wondering if infinity is better with sunder or is it the same. Is the reduced 1/5 effectiveness of infinity taking place after sundering the monster's immunity of before?

[@GGMentor]

Better of course the lower the better. Yes the 1/5th penalty still applies. But 95% res is a lot easier to bring down then 110 or 120 and all monsters will break

[@otrotland5377]

thanks, Now says in a game with eight players and one has a fire sunder charm, does the sunder work for the other seven players too and their minions?

[@MystiqWisdom]

It's a double-edged sword, basically, except that it does actually hurt you, not that it _could_ hurt you.

[@JAndersonGhost0326]

Shhhh, I'm trying to sell my shitty sunder charms

[@jarlfisk]

As a summon Necro in budget gear should I use physical/fire sunder charm or none at all ?

[@FallenxMalo]

Uh yeah, when I read "physical damage RECEIVED increased by xx%" it totally means damage that I deal more damage. If you receive money, as a salary for an example, it means you have to give it away, right? X3 Sometimes I wonder how we managed to leave the trees and become more than monkey.

[@sebastian-FX357Z1]

Sunder charm r not for close range char. but for long range char. it is ok to break some monsters immunity at the expense of ur own resistance.

[@scottdurflinger8527]

hahaha love it

[@dusttodust915]

wish sunder charms showed up on the dropcal, so you can actually see where it be easier to get one.

[@GGMentor]

Dude they drop so easily that most people end up leaving them on the ground like stamina potions. It's not complicated, go to a terror zone and kill elites, champions and bosses.

[@lftr_react]

Red text for negative effects to user would be a good way to differentiate. Red text on an item stat = bad for you.

[@georgeDeming]

or you could just look at your stats to see how it effects your resistances with it in your inventory.

[@Nosfeast]

So it only sunder's a monster immunity it does nothing against monsters that are not immune?I always knew the 75% effected our resistance but was still not sure if the sunder worked on all monsters or just the ones that are immune to the type of sunder you are using.

[@GGMentor]

Only immune monsters

[@SamielAC]

Hey Ginger, regarding the Bone Break Sunder Charm, affect necro minions? and the effectiveness of Amp Damage after Sunder is 1/5 or full effectiveness ? thanks

[@GGMentor]

It does effect necros minions, it was never stated if amp was 1/5th or not. They only addressed conviction and lower resistance

[@SamielAC]

​@@GGMentor So we don't actually know exactly the Amp damage effect after Bone Break Sunder Charm?

[@GGMentor]

@@SamielAC the moral of the story no matter what is amp + sunder is better than amp alone

[@Yumums]

A new Diablo friend I have thinks the -res is both what the monster res is set at and your own resistance as well. He refuses to listen to me.

[@alexanderlane7863]

Does the sunder charm break the immunity before a conviction aura, or the other way around?

[@GGMentor]

Before and conviction is applied at one fifth penalty

[@gambinyo]

Does the sunder affect work first, or do facets and lower resist curse go first?

[@GGMentor]

The sunder effect takes place before everything else

[@Roadsurfer2k11]

So essentially charsi the higher resistance penalty charms??? I have an 83% cold, and 71% cold and fire that all 3 dropped in 2 nights. I got none before level 84, and none at all last season on a 86 sorc

[@GGMentor]

Yes so if you have a 71% cold than that is waaaay better than a 83% cold. You don need to hang onto the 83% so give it away or sell it whatever.

[@Tsteve0]

well... fudge! haha i only have a fire charm. i thought we all had the -rez welp... back to Orb/Hydra it is

[@TheMythriel]

I can tell this has been coming up a lot, 😂

[@vf-1gprototype465]

Can you do a video about physical charms? How does a sunder effect physical immune and what skills would pair with it. Like for example, how does Amazon's-define skill effect the sunder.

[@vf-1gprototype465]

What I'm playing around with is amazon strafe/multishot with max inner sight and physical sunder. Physical imune is different then elemental, isn't it? Would something like amp damage work better then -enemy defence?

[@Se7enStage]

@@vf-1gprototype465 the physical sunder charm doesn't boost your damage, it just allows you to damage physical immunes as it sets their physical resistance to 95%. And physical is different from elemental, yes. Elemental is cold, fire and lightning. There is a sunder charm for each of those.

[@vf-1gprototype465]

Yeah I know it doesn't boost damage but what I'm trying to ask is there another way to lower the physical resistance past 95, like cold mastery. Isn't physical resistance just defence?

[@vf-1gprototype465]

Sunder brings it to 95 then you cast inner sight with -40 defence, is that the same as physical resistance. That's my question I guess.

[@GGMentor]

Amplify damage is the best way, a strafe zon would use atmas scarab in combination with the physical sunder

[@ji604]

It's an item with two affixes. The "sunder" effect is new, and -% to [your] resist already exists in the game. Other items have affixes that are "-% fire resist", such as Andariel's Visage. This second affix on the charm had the exact same wording as existing items with the detrimental effect. That's what's mildly mind-blowing; people aren't reading them as two affixes, they're somehow assuming they're connected despite the wording being consistent among all such items. The real issue is that the wording for -% to enemy resist says enemies, and the wording for -% to your resist doesn't, and is "implied". Diablo I had personal resistances, so they just copied the wording for those affixes for D2. When they added enemy resist modifiers in D2, they had to differentiate and didn't bother to change the personal resist wording.

[@ArchDaemon41]

its not that deep

[@PAwader]

I sold 3x -87 to -90 cold ruptures for big fg because the buyer thought it was a positive. I feel bad for that now

[@adamboyd5190]

His loss your gain

[@dhong168]

I thought the charm will only sunder mobs that are immune and make it at 95% resistance. So a mob at 99% (still not immune) it will still be at 99%. A mob with 50% resistance will remain at 50%. Am I understanding it correctly?

[@johnt836]

I'm pretty sure there are zero monsters with resists in the rangevof 95% to 99%. OG Blizzard North programmers liked multiples of 5. So your question is not applicable.

[@OliverMichael7]

Cold sorc must be the Meta again then

[@brosephbroheim6428]

Some people are fuckin' stupid. -George Carlin

[@TomServo_MST3K]

I miss that man dearly.

[@russellcrowe187]

I've been trying to farm any kind of sunder charms in solo online because my series s laggs n I never get thr drop n ive yet to see one drop in a 8 player game

[@ItsTheJits_]

I had no idea people were misunderstanding this. Must be newer players.

[@offspringngrndy7]

"Even if the monster's resistance is 3000% it sets it to 95%" Some monsters actually do have 1000% resistance (Gargoyle Trap for cold) and sunder charms do not break their immunity. I guess the devs picked a number as an upper limit and forgot about those.

[@GGMentor]

It's funny though I can still kill gargoyle traps I think it's a graphical glitch. And even if the gargoyle traps are not affected I really doubt it's because thei resistance is too high. It's much more likely they just got left out for some reason either accidentally or deliberately

[@mattbamford7269]

Maybe the charm is just very literal..says "monster resistance" and those garg traps aren't technically monsters

[@Hughjasslol1]

I’m one of the stupid people who needed clarification on this 😅

[@Cognitoman]

Dude so If I’m a cold sorc I could use this and make monsters that are cold immune to my attacks not immune to cold anymore ?

[@GGMentor]

Yes the sunder breaks the immunity and mastery brings them down further

[@Cognitoman]

@@GGMentor nice dude ! So I’m okay to make a pure cold src

[@One_Guy]

so what you're telling me here... is that the monsters are set to 95% ... got it. 3:12

[@MilesMontgomery-pj4xc]

I want to see a Booger enema sunder charm! Lol!

[@vaynelevant]

oh wow. most d2 youtubers are saying it wrong then. i was led to believe that the reduction was for the monster resistance. i haven't played d2 in months though so i haven't seen them in-game.

[@mikeeydoucet2902]

This is why cold sorcs are broken atm lol

[@GGMentor]

Lol aaaaaand they got nerfed

[@otrotland5377]

so does having two of the same sunder charms reduce the monster below 95%

[@GGMentor]

no because sunder charms don't reduce the monsters resistance by a Number, They simply set the Monsters Resistance to 95% at the start of the calculation. Multiple Sunders would set the Monsters Resistance to 95% multiple times... which would just be 95% ok your 95% ok your 95% ok your 95% ok your 95% ok your 95% ok your 95%....

[@stevenmraz4362]

As you only listed items that reduce resistance is infinity included in that?

[@GGMentor]

Conviction works with the sunder charms at 1/5 penalty.

[@stevenmraz4362]

@@GGMentor For further clarification that is 4/5ths effective with a 1/5th penalty or a 4/5ths penalty and a 1/5 efficacy??

[@GGMentor]

@@stevenmraz4362 150% conviction becomes 30% effectiveness under the penalty

[@jamesburrelljr.8561]

You what they say when one assumes.

[@DylanFoster87]

How did people not realise this? 😂

[@joeystracener9804]

Okay... who wants all my sunder charms? I literally collected the highest res i could find for all lol. Of course it was single player but so funny!

[@GGMentor]

Big ooof 🤣

[@RobertSela]

Every d2 veteran instantly knows this. But the wording on these charms is, like many wordings in the game, highly confusing for newbies and even veterans of other ARPGs save maybe for Poe. Its not their fault.

[@chuckgnades6672]

i guess they’d be maaaasively op if my assumption was correct haha. i’m actually relieved a little bit. once all this shit gets too easy, this game will crumble. imo it has been such an awesome game for so long is that it is difficult (end game stuff).

[@spoot8835]

This a probably more for new to D2 in the last year players LoL 😂

[@brakpseudonimu236]

Are you sure it lowers 99% resistance to 95% It's supposed to only work against immunities.

[@GGMentor]

since 99% resistant monsters don't exist, it's a moot point

[@SebastianELech]

Cant belive there are people that don't understand it

[@generaladvance5812]

So, what you're saying is the enemy resistance is reduced by x amount? Ok. ;)

[@babyface7440]

so we can build Thorns Paladin now? 2023 ;)

[@artemlobov4239]

lol now wonder some people j gave -85 sunders too for free were happy

[@get5killch3cked]

It pains me to think some of these people actually think that. Lol. I can read the pain in your eyes.

[@vm123]

I cant believe You have to explain it to anyone.

[@joeolivo8847]

I never learned how to read lol

[@redelfshotthefood8213]

Good thing you did learn to type then. 😉

[@sweepphreak]

how in the hell could this be confused lordy

[@jeffreytaylor4464]

It’s called “Crack of the heavens” 😅

[@RandoBox]

Booger enema.........

[@Gerald0613]

so simply put it's a good and bad effect at the same time, it gives YOU more resist but it also gives monsters extra resist.

[@Theotherlostprimarch]

Booger enema… brutal…

[@GGMentor]

yup 😂

[@JaySav916]

Oops... I think I made some dishonest revenue with this things in the first couple days.

[@GGMentor]

Lol

[@MACROSS2KYTB]

Simple words, it has one thing good, and one thing not.

[@lsshewolf]

I do not understand why people do not understand this concept… it’s self explanatory if you ask me…

[@vaynelevant]

probably because of other d2 youtubers. i haven't played d2 in months but i have kept up with the updates and through them, i also thought that the reduction was for the monster resistance, not applying to you.

[@Scisca1a2a]

No, I am reading it correctly

[@ademhasic2439]

I thought this was a troll video but no... Human idiocy knows no bounds

[@Zeloten]

How tf can you basically repeat yourself on like 3 different points for 7 1/2 mins

[@GGMentor]

And some people still don't understand 🤣

[@Zeloten]

@@GGMentor dang

[@marc-etiennemercier6584]

damn.. i just got ripped off then

[@GGMentor]

The More You Know

[@steakcrust558]

the real blunder is bleeding over this keyboard trying to get one

[@Haleukin]

They fall more often then you think in Terrorized zones. Their value is like... 10pgems or less unless you want a perfect one.

[@Mesoz]

They kinda drop like candy if you farm terror zones enough. I have quite a few of every one rn lol. I just give them out to anyone that needs. Outside of perf ones they are really not worth a ton.

[@alexh2717]

@@Mesoz I'd me more happy for a gheed then a sunder at this point lol

[@Mesoz]

@@alexh2717 I have a few low gheeds if you need one

[@alexh2717]

@@Mesoz oh i have few too, thx, its just that sunders drop so much easier rn xD

[@votpavel]

couldnt follow the explanation,got my wand stuck in zod rune

[@GGMentor]

How did you... Zod runes are indestructible yet you destroyed one... 😜