Ghilan'nain {Lore - Spoilers All}

[@KFoxtheGreat]

So...DA4: Solas tears down the Veil and summons Cthulu from the depths

[@Avenray19]

I dig it.

[@manofwarb]

Or a Reaper

[@TrevorHolderPlays]

you called it

[@ThatFont]

You were ahead of your time with this one

[@alexanderg9940]

Good call

[@FlatterySuplex]

Anyone else here for a refresher course before Dragon Age: Veilguard comes out?

[@ExerciseScienceReport]

🙌🏻

[@Jazilou]

I’m feverishly consuming lore videos at a mildly concerning rate, yeah

[@DFrost-ip2lk]

A trailer just came out showing the Goddess Ghilan’ian

[@bigbadcatbigbcy2933]

@@FlatterySuplex lmao same

[@LingeringFlower]

Solas in DA4: RELEASE THE KRAKEN!

[@NehnBellanaris]

Clash of the Titans reference. Nice.

[@manofwarb]

And then ... "WE ARE ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL OF THIS FORM!!!"

[@JacksonBalls]

You were ahead of your time my friend 😭😭😭

[@SMsneakyninja]

A cool secret club where they all secretly hated each other? Sounds super familiar, huh? **coughchoughmagisterssideralcough** Excuse me.

[@Caposaurus]

Maybe the ‘love’ was a one-sided obsession of Andruil towards Ghilan’nain. I have nothing else to go by this but the end, where you said that Andruil is the hunter and Ghilan’nain flees from it. But it wouldn’t be the first example in the DA universe where beauty attracts unwanted attention.

[@silverpyro19]

In that way it would also be similar to Greco Roman mythology's Apollo and his various unfortunate love interests.

[@m.s.t.wheart4347]

"CONSUME THEIR FLESH, SHATTER THEIR BONES"

[@WickedRoze]

I have a small head canon with Ghilan'nain and Andraste... I actually think the developers consciously created these myths to be roughly similar (mortal becoming divine) in order to make the mythology of the world more realistic (e.g. mimicking how we have religious stories throughout history that are very similar). In-lore, I don't know what that might mean, but I think it is a cool, realistic touch of how religious myths are created. Edit: I have absolutely no proof of this, but I like to think the devs saw our own world's religious history and was like "yeah, people do that, so our fantasy world people should do it too."

[@davidortiz3094]

Andraste was burned to death. Hence her ashes in the sacred temple & how it was able to bring someone from the brink of death. I do believe she was an Elf.

[@Goodboysforlife]

Andruil was the blind hunter in the story about Ghilan'nain. Remember that story about how Mythal took her ability to be able to find the void. Where she was hunting "wicked things that thrive in the abyss"? What if the Hawk Andruil was hunting, was Fallon Din?

[@marypetrie3513]

If you go with lovers pairs, and being a lover gives you the power of a "god" this might be a reason that Solas breaks things off and breaks the inquisitor heart, because of what it would make her. Random thought also still not over my elven egg head.

[@set9034]

Solas had a hand in saving deep sea monsters that were too well shaped? Somebody make sure Azathoth is still sleeping.

[@theblackwingedsoul]

Mate I just looked out my window and an eye in the sky just blinked at me I think we fucked.

[@set9034]

@@theblackwingedsoul Welp reality was nice while it lasted

[@theblackwingedsoul]

@@set9034 Speak for yourself, fuck this world I want to see what comes next.

[@GenshinLover283]

I'm going to guess that Azathoth waking up is a bad thing

[@killerkitsune5425]

@@GenshinLover283 a late reply but if I remember my love craft the universe is a dream of azatoth should he wake chaos will reign and all will cease to exist

[@yokai333]

I enjoy hearing about the lore of Thedas. Especially her creation of beasts. Just to get a seat on the thrones

[@LookAliveBecca]

I've just read the story "Horror of Hormak" and the reference to her making monsters, and then Andruil looking for ever increasing bizarre monsters to hunt is. Odd.

[@FlukasMcDoogle]

I can see the theories now: “GHILAN’NAN IS ANDRASTE..... CCOOOOONNNFFFIIUURRRMNNEEEDD!”

[@Vyktym76]

Ghilan'nain is Sandal @:^}

[@mmmtm8930]

@@Vyktym76 Sandal is clearly the Maker, bro.

[@ChrissieBear]

Ghilan'nain is clearly the Maker.

[@blackswan2020]

Great video as always One thing I would add is the story Felassan tells in ME, of Fen'Harel hunting "the halla" and Andruil getting upset over it. I've always wondered if part of the reason she was so upset is that "the halla" was actually Ghilan'nain.

[@thestitchwithsami]

Yeah, I definitely took that story to be Solas trying to seduce Ghilanain just to piss Andruil off, because (especially in his younger days) he seemed to be quite the little shit.

[@ChrissieBear]

And what if hunting was romantic interest and the anger was jealousy?

[@johnkisir1456]

Inquisitor has to watch their back in dav. How many halla were killed in inquisition. Shes come for revenge.😂

[@SuzMDenem]

The Evanuris were the Elvhen version of the Kardashians and now I will accept no other theory.

[@Maddox_Clayne]

I have a small theory that you had mentioned in (I think) your Falon'Din video. What if the pairs are the "Gods" and their spirit companion or something similar? I'd say aside from Elgarnan and Mythal, who may be some in between of flesh and spirit due to their sheer power, Dirthamen would be flesh while Falon'Din is a spirit. And Andruil would be flesh while Ghilanain would be spirit. My reasoning would be that Solas states that spirits manifest as a reflection of the mortal world and it's aspects, but back before the Veil, everything was changing all the time, so perhaps spirits had more free will and weren't so singular in their focus? Idk, but it is the first thing my mind thinks of.

[@GhilDirthalen]

I can almost get behind that theory. Most of the pairs seem to represent some sort of duo. Vengeance and Justice (Elgar’nan/Mythal) and The Hunter and The Kill (Andruil/Ghilan’nain). Death and Secrets sort of go together, but if anything there is solid proof Dirthamen and Falon’din were spirit/flesh bond. No idea how June and Slyaise fit in, but then again June is pretty unknown. Maybe Masculine and Feminine?

[@Maddox_Clayne]

@@GhilDirthalen I can see Death and Secrets being something similar to guides; Falon'Din is the guide of the dead and Dirthamen is a guide to closure and answers? And June would be the God of Crafts where Sylaise is a spirit of creation? Creating music, arts, creating fire, that sorta thing if it makes sense.

[@Maddox_Clayne]

@@GhilDirthalen I forgot the lore bit where Dirthamen follows Falon'Din through the Fade. Maybe while Falon'Din is doing his job, Dirthamen is learning fade secrets? Their parallel might be more location based than an aspect.

[@Witzke231]

Well I think Cole's existence provides some weight, considering he was a spirit who took a mortal form. And in the game he can remain "spirit", or you can make him more "human." Cole literally became the real Cole's truest desire; to become him but normal (non-magical.) Perhaps this is what happened during the time of the elves and it is why Solas tries to push Cole to remain true to his nature instead of warping and becoming someone like Falon'Din; a blood thirsty monster.

[@Felsenkeks]

@@GhilDirthalen if it weren't for Solas being pride I'd say Dirthamen and Falon'din are Wisdom and Pride, seeing how Solas talks about how vain he was and how he craved more worshippers

[@m.s.t.wheart4347]

"all that I am belongs to the pursuit of creation."

[@josephmoore5422]

I'm curious to see if Bioware spins these stories, like we find codex entries written by Solas telling us what really happened in these myths, then again idk if I want my favorite know it all to spoil it.

[@jetpackingpenguin7925]

What if Ghil created the broodmothers? The evanuris in their greed perhaps wanted to make soldiers similar to the dwarves with the Titans and maybe tainted one of these monstrous creations? Maybe the blight was originally meant to control the creatures only for the Evanuris and elves to realize it wasn’t controllable? A gross manipulation or corruption of Lyrium and the titan’s song?

[@cyberscks]

i only came to learn about her because i found out my inquisitor has the vallaslin that represents her.

[@ralphnacino2236]

After DA 4: Ghilan'nain: Mother of the Halla my foot ! 😂😂

[@matt6582]

Nah, I stan Thedas' most dysfunctional family

[@Ok-eu1dz]

I don't think that solas was the one who stopped her, but her actual pride for her aquatic beast.

[@leone6888]

@Beatrice Gliaudelyte As I'm not a native speaker, I did not understand that part pretty good. Soooo the statement is that "Pride" (with a capital P) stopped her hand. And as we all know Solas name means pride, so the only reason to write it with capital P is, because a person is meant, isn't ? (Or am I wrong?)

[@lastken13]

So excited to meet this freaky queen in Veilguard

[@cadavery123]

about Ghilan'nain gifts to Andruil, didn't Merril at one point said something about gifts are only given to your lover?

[@lightbender17]

Im just finding your channel after Veilguard and man oh man i hope you do an update series xD

[@bigbadcatbigbcy2933]

Oh so this is new antagonist.

[@averongodoffire8098]

The mix of dalish and andrastean imagery and myth hits differently as a pagan, as many groups during the spread of Christianity began blending their theologies and deities with biblical imagery and backgrounds but once the church began to solidify their influence outwards these beliefs were labeled as heretical and items only a desperate handful of individuals believed in till they either were executed or died out from other circumstances

[@creepyg.g.8585]

In Greek mythology Zeus married his sister... hell most if not all the Greek gods married their siblings,that could be the case for June and Sylaise...or I’m just crazy

[@bridgitconnell7283]

I wonder if Solas saved the creatures in the sea because the sea is where Mythal came from, and Fen'Harel is known (through their connection in statues) to protect Mythal.

[@thetallwarden]

Maybe Solas just thinks bigass sea monsters are cool! Finding the posters in his room and connecting with him over them will be the main way for a non Lavellan to talk him down in DA4

[@Lilith38252]

Solas spared and will try to use the Leviathans...we’ll see how well that goes 🙂

[@anttkd5730]

Just a video suggestion. What exactly are the qunari, coles states that their horns are dragon horns, but they are big humanoids. The race is a big mess of confusion and tangles.

[@GhilDirthalen]

No shit- I’ve had a script going over this on the back burner for almost two months now, but it’s a bit long and I keep running out of time on working on it. So one day!

[@billcasey3492]

@@GhilDirthalen The Qun were created through some sort of magic, right? Kieran says their blood is not their own, and Corypheus calls them a mistake. Like, some powerful mage made dragon warriors and those creations became the Qun? Is that it?

[@MRVAANY87]

perfectly perfect as always maybe they are all paired by who was close to who like best friends rivals family the way i see it the godhood of them all is based on wisdom they possessed and Ghilan'nain prove her self worthy of being among them or she rival them or been equal to them so they offer to make her a full god status what if Andruil killed Ghilannain or tried to when she got all crazy from the void armor and than mythal intervene and made her tranquil or something and she is sera now :D or the plot thickens u are Ghilannain much love light magic wisdom hope health strength true happiness and friendships epic adventures bliss miracles luck sexiness kindness to u and yours have the best ever perfect epic badass day and may all of your dreams hopes goals endeavors come true and so much more

[@Avenray19]

This cured me of cancer.

[@MRVAANY87]

@@Avenray19 praise the evanuris :D

[@Goodboysforlife]

I think the fact that other animals that are represented by the gods here is important. Falon Din is commonly associated with the Hawe. In fact, there seems to be some conflict between Solas (the wolf) Andruil (the hunter) Mythal (dragon) and Falon Din (hawk). I think the hunter who binds and blinds Ghailan;nain is Andruil.

[@niktebby4781]

Ghillannain and elgarnan are the 2 bosses in veilgaurd

[@champropaganda]

oh Ghila'nain the kween that you are....

[@boo5860]

I prefer them as Kardashians tbh

[@Rampratdelta]

I wish dragon age had as much mod backing as skyrim or fallout.

[@daria_in_japan]

Could you please make a video about Andraste🙏

[@ryanwildego9829]

Hope we get some clarity on if these stories are true or just elven myths on a side note the description of this god is that shes beautiful with white hair well she ain't now

[@stephaniewinter141]

The man who took another form is known. It was Dirthamon :) I think the pairings all are due to what magic they used. They're the opposite in the schools of magic. The theme of balance we see over and over again.

[@Jazilou]

So… Qunari as creations of Ghilan’nain? Yes/no? Could perhaps the “finely wrought” monsters that are from the “deep sea” be actual sentient Qunari from a far away location, using “deep” not as a descriptor of the water’s depth, but as a descriptor of distance, such as one might say “the deep desert” or “the deepest part of the forest”. So the deep sea is just the farthest part of the sea from the civilized Elvhen empire? It would make sense for Solas to stop her, then. He cares a great deal about innocent lives.

[@attentivechair3248]

Sea Monsters needs to be a meme after DA4

[@lyannastark3839]

Is Ghilly still your favorite God?

[@LG-ff5bn]

When will we get a Lore video of Flemeth?!

[@brennondent4933]

So I got a great concept for dragon age 4 . It's pretty long and probably won't work but I'd love to share it with you and get your thoughts on it

[@juliosilva2301]

Maybe all the Elven Gods are connected by a sort of yin and yang of nature, and that's why Fen'harel is the outsider, with no yang to his Yin. But that's doesn't necessarily mean they are all lovers, just bound souls.