Ghostty - A NEW Terminal Just Dropped..

[@SavvyNik]

What terminal are you currently using?

[@itsfkf6106]

Kitty

[@turanamo]

zellij on konsole

[@Wurstbrot03]

COSMIC Terminal

[@clot27]

allacritty + zellij

[@Wkaelx]

Konsole...

[@fossface]

I don't see it as anything special tbh.

[@Cyber_Lanka]

Same. I don't get why everyone is hyped at all

[@SvalbardSleeperDistrict]

@@Cyber_Lanka I mean, there's artificial hype with everything nowadays, so it's not different from that situation. What's special about Cosmic Desktop that created all the hype about it? It's just Gnome with different accent colours. What's really the speed difference between all these terminals? Negligible, barely noticeable. Etc, etc. But some terminal may still have some feature, or the way its config works, that may make someone prefer one over another. I'm been using Kitty for a while now, but now installed Ghostty and like it just as much.

[@rasix86]

@@SvalbardSleeperDistrict Cosmic Desktop is not gnome based at all. It's written from scratch using totally different UI toolkit, which honestly is pretty exciting, since we didnt have a proper DE alternative since... a very long time.

[@SvalbardSleeperDistrict]

@rasix86 I wasn't saying it is Gnome-based

[@BlackTakGolD]

​@@rasix86 Why did you make a strawman and then went on like you make sense? Just read and talk normally.

[@4lm1r]

Thank you! I subscribed and liked. I loved this new terminal, I'm going to use it as my terminal through now! Congrats from Brazil! I was using terminator.

[@nikunjkhangwal]

It's already my favourite. Mitchell wasn't lying when he said it strikes a perfect balance of everything. From my testing it has the same performance as Alacritty but with features of Kitty (like image rendering and ligatures), which is what i wanted for the longest time.

[@SomeEmptyBox]

weird in my testing forget alacritty it couldn't even beat kitty.

[@myartikool]

I'm sorry if that sounds rude, but what the hell do you do with your terminal that kitty's performance is not enough? I'm using neovim with scroll animations and it looks very nice already.

[@nikunjkhangwal]

@@myartikool I'm on a low end (about 8 years old) laptop so any performance gain is nice to have. Ghostty launches slightly faster, renders text about twice as fast and scrolling (like in huge log files) is noticeably smoother than Kitty. These and extras were good enough for me to switch.

[@xavi_6767]

Now I can say fku to alacritty

[@nikunjkhangwal]

@@xavi_6767 Alacritty was nice, it was the 2nd fastest Terminal after Foot for me. Sadly that's all it has going for it. It's pretty much barebones compared to Kitty/Wezterm.

[@JacobOvergaardMadsen]

Thanks for teaching me the "sudo !!". Quite handy 🙂

[@jasonshen]

i really can't see what the advantage of this thing over others

[@rasix86]

Please don't tell people to use pacman -Sy without the 'u" for update. This can, in worst case, result in a broken system.

[@SavvyNik]

I don’t think i used syu but maybe i missed something

[@mojaveartifacthunters339]

You didn't, you used Sy. Thats the problem. You should always use Syu.​@SavvyNik

[@greypsyche5255]

Not really. It can only case system wide issues if you actually updated system dependencies. If you know what you are doing, Sy is completely fine.

[@leviathanmelvilli562]

pacman -Sy does not update anything. it only refreshes the local package database.. that too if it has an older timestamp.. to force that you'll need to pass 2 `y`s.. what the initial comment must be is "don't tell people to use pacman -Su without the 'y' for update." and the worst case is never a broken system.. there are dependency requirements for every package which very clearly stop the update process and tell you to check the issues by first..

[@rasix86]

@@leviathanmelvilli562 This is not true. Many packages don't have dependencies on specific versions of a package. So if you install a package with -Sy it's possible that an application is installed that has all dependencies in place, but not a version that is needed. And depending on the packages involved this can indeed result in a broken system. I actually had this scenario with a readline update that was not installed because of missing -u. Yes in most cases these are packacking issues, but they are real nonetheless. Also this isn't even obvious in many cases, because it can be a dependency of a dependency that is is causing the problem. also "don't tell people to use pacman -Su without the 'y' for update." cannot do any harm, because the state of your pacman database has not changed. It's the opposite: This command can actually FIX issues. At the end of the day Arch Linux is very specific about this: Avoid doing partial upgrades. In other words, never run pacman -Sy; instead, always use pacman -Syu. "Partial upgrades are unsupported Arch Linux is a rolling release distribution. That means when new library versions are pushed to the repositories, the Developers and Package Maintainers rebuild all the packages in the repositories that need to be rebuilt against the libraries. For example, if two packages depend on the same library, upgrading only one package might also upgrade the library (as a dependency), which might then break the other package which depends on an older version of the library. That is why partial upgrades are not supported." - (Arch Wiki "System_maintenence" Chapter 3.2 and 3.3)

[@dawids3022]

There is a lot of native UI mentions on the ghostty website and on the kde version its not looking very native..

[@weird_autumn42]

yep, it uses gtk so maybe more native looking on gnome, but for the rest of us it looks less native than any other terminal that just sticks to server side window decorations

[@no_name4796]

Yeah ironic innit? Native ui look and feel, but if you use anything but gnome it looks out of place Well if anything this fits perfectly the gnome devs mentality of "perfect on gnome, we don't care anywhere else"

[@dustanddeath3985]

@@weird_autumn42 I use Kvantum and Qt6 settings editor to wrangle gtk stuff to look native to KDE. Also, I think they were talking about Gnome vs. MacOS native appearance, not having inheritance from any window manager/DE. I suspect they were playing a bit loose with language. Cheers!

[@GSBarlev]

I wonder if someone will make a Qt fork.

[@act.13.41]

@@GSBarlev But why? No one should have to do that. The dev should make a QT version. If Brave Browser can give me a toggle between QT and GTK, why can't every app? 🙂

[@TheLonelyMoon]

A bit overhyped? Probably. But I like it

[@thefearlessgeek]

Ghostty also supports glsl shaders. You can have some neat visual effects with that, and it can potentially be used for accessibility.

[@SavvyNik]

Great mentions

[@tordjarv3802]

I have never experienced slow text rendering in any terminal emulator that I have used. Just consider the fact that terminals have been around for a very long time, even potato computers can run them. I don’t see any reason for me to use ghostty as it being presented in this video.

[@SavvyNik]

Yeah it won’t be for everyone. I’ve had issues personally but I’m excited to see the work. If this is just the first release this thing has amazing potential imo

[@vss963]

I think it's the first public release, but it had been actively tested for about a year already. Curious to see where it's going too.

[@whoman0385]

if it gets pixel by pixel scrolling instead of line by line scrolling it might have something that's actually innovative

[@UsrSpace]

As a person who uses macOS (and linux) i actually like Ghostty, Its fast and smooth like promised and it integrates SO well into the macOS look. its one of the best Terminal Emulators i have used since i used Konsole. 10/10

[@gutter_onion7855]

I did a very quick rudimentary bench mark of printing lines in Alacritty, Ghostty, and Kitty. Here's the rundown: 1st Place: Alacritty - Average lines per second: 315996.21 2nd Place: Ghostty - Average lines per second: 310613.15 3rd Place: Kitty - Average lines per second: 305403.52 Not bad Ghostty. (again, this is only printing lines. This isn't compiling, or executing, or anything intensive. Just a quick-and-dirty bench).

[@truth_4lif399]

Use it yesterday, thought it was really quick. The only issue it kept crashing on me. I think it had to do the way I installed it. So far i like it.

[@CyperN077]

Ghosttty is like Cell from Dragon Ball Z Like. Cell it absorbed the terminals which came before it only to become the ultimate badass on day one. Goodbye Kitty you and I sure had some fun times together bash, phyton, Lua and rust but know you will live on every time I preview an image or movie in my shiny new toy.

[@DEVDerr]

No mentions of WezTerm in the replies baffles me :/ honestly, the GOAT and Ghostty's main competitor

[@lucascamelo3079]

I use WezTerm, but i can't setup image rendering from within a terminal file manager (tried vifm and lf). So I think I'll go back to alacritty if I can't use it 😂.

[@DEVDerr]

@@lucascamelo3079 Because file manager itself maybe can't handle it. I'm using yazi personally and image rendering works in WezTerm

[@noanyobiseniss7462]

I like that it doesn't require webkit.

[@VallThyo]

At the moment I don't see a reason to move out of Kitty, but since Ghostty is in the Arch repos I will give it a go. I don't think I will be staying with it for now because I'm not a fan of GTK/Apple-copy designs, but if I end up liking it more than Kitty, I will try some customization. Great video as always.

[@nikunjkhangwal]

@@VallThyo Just a heads up, you can disable GTK decorations

[@SomeEmptyBox]

yea it's makes sense to disable window decoration, especially on wayland compositors

[@ash1kh]

Test for you.. - can it render image like kitty.. for example try yazi, or gowall tools - can it enable you to per font ligareture like kitty or only limits to global one font - can it handle link execute on terminal like kitty - does it support Amazon q intellisense with fish shell intellisense paired up like kitty - and others which you will find out soon Nahhh. Kitty is too good. 😊

[@FurqanHun]

i did test ghostty before on arch in a vm and will further test it however im hesistant of using it on host (fedora) for now, i'll stick with xfce4-terminal for now 👀 i've been looking to switch terminals, more like testing different ones (just randomly thought of it a few days ago) but i just like xfce terminal and may keep using it until the end lol

[@Mordinel]

!!! Partial upgrade !!! don't sync without updating, -Syu

[@keyboardwarrior6296]

It's very fast but It's missing features that I would expect in such a convoluted project. I like ctrl-space in alacritty too much to switch to anything else based on speed alone, though ghosty does run yay -Ss 150% faster than alacritty.

[@BillHughes-hz8ei]

Looks cool. I just wish we could get iterm2 on Linux. I use it on my work Mac and love it

[@Cyco_Nix]

ghostty is over-hyped and is not "Linux" native UI. It is GTK / libadwaita native. Yes you can disable both, but then you lose functionality including the menu. That said, I do like libghostty as I see good possibilities there.

[@ash1kh]

Nah... Kitty is still the goat.😂 When I realized it can't render image on terminal like kitty icat module does.

[@FikretGörkem]

Ghostty has kitty graphics protocol support. I doesn't have a native icat command though like kitty, so you need a separate image viewer like timg

[@RealWaffles]

saw people talking about this on the gentoo discord, gonna compile now

[@SavvyNik]

Waffles… I’m hungry

[@xard64]

I haven't yet seen native graphical scroll bars in any of these faster terminal emulators. I wonder if that is due to a technical limitation how these GPU accelerated applications work?

[@danielstellmon5330]

Graphical scroll bars are for mouse use. Most of these terminals are designed for primary keyboard users. I prefer the scroll bars, but most of the terminal developers disagree.

[@brice.rhodes]

there are plans on adding a scroll bar just not in yet

[@xard64]

@@danielstellmon5330 I don't think that is the case here. Why go as far to implement tabs, graphical tab selector and other graphical widgets but leave the scroll bars out? Kitty for example has only the minimize, maximize and close buttons and everything else is done inside the terminal: even the tabs are just drawn as text and there are no visible scroll bars.

[@ravenphi4330]

Ghostty has just been successfully uninstalled. I'm only sorry that I spent the time to install it.

[@szirsp]

I don't get it. Why are other terminals slow? Why do we need GPU acceleration? Why does ghostty need 120+ MB to install? Does it have Quake built in? I have played games on 100 Hz refresh rate CRTs with much slower CPUs without any 3D accelerators (sure the resolution wasn't 4k, but still...)

[@steeven094]

I was looking for a debian based release. Might have to build it from source.

[@SavvyNik]

Yeah very surprised with that not even in alternative repo

[@RenderingUser]

I Couldn't even install from nixpkgs

[@nikunjkhangwal]

github.com/mkasberg/ghostty-ubuntu

[@yondaime500]

Looks neat. I'm not picky about terminal emulators, personally. I only switched out of the default because I wanted the font ligatures, and I only picked Kitty because it's in the Fedora repo so I could install it in one command and have it auto-update. Otherwise I'd probably still be using the default GNOME terminal.

[@zenmaster24]

currently using kitty - could you do a comparison with other gpu accelerated terminals like alacritty or kitty?

[@PatrickOuthier]

Its nice but I really wish it had a client server option like foots, foot-server & foot-client. Its just so slow to launch.

[@Emancipatriot]

Am I dumb for never going into my actual mirrolr list just running Sudo pacman -Fy and then -Syyu to update my repos and packages

[@pai64]

arch does not recommend doing Syyu. it is unnecessary load in the servers

[@Jason-jf2ym]

A terminal with batteries included and also fast.

[@darknetworld]

Well this will limited since it use gpu so some hardware does not support GPU. I mean those open hardware that limited on linux OS for example ARM chips. Just thinking and guessing. I wonder if RISC V would work.

[@SavvyNik]

Yeah definitely fair :)

[@chloe-sunshine7]

I think this will be my new terminal :o - a Kitty user

[@JamesColeman]

In my opinion, the title bar is too thick, would be more accepted if tabs fit within it. The title bar for Konsole with tabs is 26 pixels, where as Ghostty with tabs is 86 pixels. I lose 60 pixels of space for text if I use Ghostty. I would use Alacritty, but I want a more fully featured terminal with tab support (tmux won't cut as I use tmux within tabs and having tmux in tmux is a mess). Cosmic term title bar is 78 pixels, which while better than Ghostty, its not as good as Konsole. Maybe I should go terminal shopping, but for now, I'm sticking with Konsole.

[@alexstone691]

Try wezterm or kitty, both a quite customizable (wezterm is extremely customizable

[@brice.rhodes]

gtk-adwaita = false in your config

[@alexnoyle]

I dont see it in void packages

[@JakobKenda]

of course it's faster than gnome terminal, almost everything is faster than gnome terminal

[@anthonybeyond]

qterminal & xfce-terminal are faster than GNOME Terminal! Even Konsole [IMO] is a little faster than GNOME Terminal these days. :)

[@Person-who-exists]

The libadwaita scourge continues, all caused by gnomes terrible design decisions

[@JNET_Reloaded]

need a pre built binary for rpi 5 arm! any1 help?

[@SavvyNik]

sign me up too

[@samjiman]

Anyone had any luck running it on Ubuntu Server on rpi400? I compiled it okay, but won't run with EGL error.

[@tulpenkiste]

I tried ghostty. Its not very good with issues on the inner terminal corners, bad documentation and just generally isn't a good experience. Staying with konsole

[@philipmrch8326]

How about Alacrity?

[@bobweiram6321]

Whoopee! Yet another terminal. Linux is so innovative!

[@noobmartin]

Currently emerging, but what's missing in xterm? :)

[@SavvyNik]

Other than an inspector it’s a great minimal env

[@GSBarlev]

Why use xterm when the TTY is just a Ctrl-Alt-F3 away? 😉

[@noobmartin]

@@GSBarlev Even better - I've got the upper left key (under ESC) mapped to a new terminal window, thus only one keystroke to get an xterm! Also running fluxbox, and have been for the last 17 years, quite happily!

[@BeefyBoy909]

Woo! Glad that it's available for NixOS on release. I might have to switch from alacritty, but we'll see.

[@terminallyonline5296]

I just wish it wasn't libadwaita on Linux. Very thick top bar.

[@steeltormentors]

You can modify the thick top bar..I've modified mine to be a thin bottom bar. Also it's working flawlessly with tmux, yazi, every terminal apps I got. Even at current version, for my use case Ghostty can replace Kitty as my daily driver.

[@ayushs_2k4]

Until it does not save history on quitting the terminal, it is of no use to me

[@MisakaMikotoDesu]

GTK? No thanks. I like having control of my computer, not the other way around. Gnome wants to be Apple without understanding how to make good decisions or make good UIs.

[@ezrakoper]

Can you please comment why as a Ubuntu user, I should use other terminal then the one arriving with Ubuntu

[@SavvyNik]

I don’t think you should unless there’s specific dev tools like inspectors or you want something more customizable.

[@uxel-g9y]

Nothing special. I am using the default of whatever distro I am using usually its xfce so xfce-terminal. It does pretty much all of the same things.

[@marcuswinsnes]

Is it available on Debian yet?

[@SavvyNik]

No sadly

[@gljames24]

Oh, Terminal Emulator, from the title I thought you meant shell.

[@UtkuDeniz123]

So those dumbs supported nix, gentoo and void but not debian or fedore. That is such a brainless move, probably devs are brainless too.

[@JSiuDev]

Homebrew, Nix, Gentoo, etc are rolling distro/release, while Debian, Ubuntu, etc., are scheduled release and packages have to be submitted within certain time window to be included in the official repo. And Ghosttty is just released a few days ago, and lot of bug fixed in coming month(s). So it is understandable it is not in Debian, Ubuntu, etc.

[@IIGrayfoxII]

Shame they do not have debian support from the get go.

[@TheLazyJAK]

why does this script read like an ad lol

[@Douglas-Silvestrini]

I like to use the black box terminal

[@k1logr4m51]

Gave it a shot a few days ago. I can't bring myself to use it as default terminal because it takes way too long to open. Kitty on the other hand opens instantly. There was this one time I hit the hot key and it took 2 seconds to open. Like, in what universe a terminal emulator needs 2 seconds to open a window with a solid background and a small prompt? I might use it for very specific things, but for every day use, it is ironically too slow for me.

[@pai64]

in my case every terminal takes 2 or 0.1 seconds to open. idk why it is that unstable

[@k1logr4m51]

@pai64 ikr sometimes it's fairly quick and some other times it takes 1 or 2 seconds.

[@pai64]

@@k1logr4m51 yeah first time i used ghostty i got 2 sec startup after that it was faster than wezterm. I don't care about it anymore 0-1 sec is fast enough. I might have different problems on my arch system though.

[@sonicpigz]

Хороший новогодний подарок кстати

[@anasouardini]

I still don't understand what the hype is about!

[@extrakrantz7154]

I see no different from the kde terminal i am on cachy os

[@anasouardini]

Another way of doing the exact same thing!

[@GnuChanOS]

i'm fine with xterm

[@SenselessTalk]

This is typical of Silicon Valley professionals-using proprietary software that serves no real purpose.

[@brice.rhodes]

its FOSS... not proprietary

[@greenstaraz]

Shame you can not just download and install

[@SomeEmptyBox]

didn't live up to my expectations, i see no reason to switch from kitty.

[@no_name4796]

Konsole is slightly better for me, while kitty comes close in 2nd, but i do agree ghosty doesn't really have any reasons for me to switch to.

[@GSBarlev]

I don't think this is competing with kitty, which is famously chromeless and doesn't (AFAIK) support any mouse-based operations besides scroll. As I understand it, this is for people who want a replacement for konsole or GNOME terminal that still integrates with the DE's theme, while having the performance boost from GPU acceleration.

[@FikretGörkem]

@@GSBarlev Kitty has extensive support for mouse actions, including clickable hyperlink support for known file types

[@GSBarlev]

@@FikretGörkem Yeah. It also is *definitely* not "chromeless," as I discovered on opening it this morning in COSMIC: 💯 uses server-side decorations. Personal fail, kitty win. 🐱

[@_yuri]

i have heard ghostty is super slow in starting up

[@SavvyNik]

I didn’t have that exp

[@fellipec]

The way it implement tabs is neat. But I'll still stick with alacritty for now

[@obiforcemaster]

No Windows support, bye.

[@thecompanioncube4211]

lol… you already have the greatest terminal of them all… poweshell

[@obiforcemaster]

@thecompanioncube4211 Agreed! I guess the joke flew over.

[@nathsabari97]

Windows OS ?

[@SavvyNik]

Temple OS

[@vss963]

According to a previous official blog post, a windows release is planned after v1.0 (this one). No other updates so far.

[@wojciech-kulik]

Way overhyped piece of software. I have spent hundreds of hours on system customizations and even as a power user I don't see any reason to switch to Ghostty. There is literally nothing that improves daily workflow. For any normal human being 0.01s performance boost is unnoticable. The bottle neck of performance is within CLI tools, not in terminal emulation. Everyone publishes now videos with clickbaits like "Greatest, Best, etc."... There is nothing innovative about Ghostty. It doesn't even support tabs if you disable titlebar on macOS... I'm using Kitty btw.

[@DaM_Cdn]

This terminal brings nothing new to the developer or power user experience - every feature in Ghostty is found in multiple other terminals. Way too much hype for what's a really pedestrian project. A big nothing-burger. Wow.

[@thefearlessgeek]

I hadn't seen another terminal emulator with a terminal inspector. Also, what this video overlooked was the fact this terminal emulator supports glsl shaders, which can add cool effects but more importantly, could potentially be used for accessibility for people with visual disabilities.

[@BlackTakGolD]

@ Pointless for most people.

[@vss963]

According to Mitchell: "I felt that the existing terminal emulators pushed an unnecessary choice between speed, features, and platform-native GUIs". This version, in particular, "Ghostty 1.0 aims to be the best drop-in replacement for your current terminal emulator on macOS and Linux".

[@thefearlessgeek]

@@BlackTakGolD pointless for most people, yes. But I heard Mitchell's reason for implementing it was on hopes people would create shaders to help people with visual impairments. In that case, it isn't pointless.. But I'm sure Mitchell will hear the feedback on the terminal emulator overall and I would think he has ideas to improve it. Keep in mind, when he first started working on it, it was more of a personal project than anything. It wasn't something he started out with the intention of releasing.

[@hm_kaiser]

I tried it. The best mix of functionality, features, speed and presentation. Instant switch for home (linux) and work (macos).

[@Xaito]

looks fine, but it mostly seems to have features I don't need from a terminal emulator.

[@newplayer7743]

Sometimes tty + tmux just enough. No need GPU accel bs. No wonder it use 800% of total memory. What r u doing in terminal? Play a game? Joke aside. GPU accel, resources hungry, multi threading terminal emulators is perfect definition of garbage in my book. It such a piece ... I'll stop now Even base st I feel like still doing to much. See the default keybinds, other than copy, paste, resize/reset font size, I never use anything else.

[@Linuxdirk]

Yet another terminal emulator.

[@SavvyNik]

Ooo this would be a great name for a terminal 😂 YATE

[@dhanush-_-2562]

No

[@AndrewErwin73]

didn't see much different here than you can find in Kitty.

[@HardbassTV.]

No thanks i will stick with Konsole

[@tobeypeters]

So ... a stripped down Alacritty. Looks nice.

[@jakecb6396]

Can I make ghostty as the default shell in yakuake? That would be awesome!

[@TrustJesusToday]

I've been using it for week, giving kitty a rest. It is a fine terminal emulator.

[@Kotz_en]

Please, never use "pacman -Sy", this could lead to a partial update, which is not supported by Arch, and thus may break something in your system. Either use "-S" or "Syu". Never "Sy".

[@user-tw2kr6hg4r]

doesn't look special

[@Sezamn]

>platform-native UI >install >gnome look on plasma thanks, but no thanks.

[@SavvyNik]

Fair enough. It does look gnomish as i mention in the vid as well

[@Sezamn]

@@SavvyNik yeah, unfortunately it's a no go to me, but if i were using gnome or something else gtk i totally would use ghostty.

[@PatrickOuthier]

You can at least disable window decorations. Hyprland user sticking with foot for now, launch time sucks.

[@magnusm4]

"It uses your GPU to accelerate the graphics rendering rate" Um yeah. That's what the GPU is for. Now I wonder how many applications don't use the GPU for the visual or graphical part. Imagine how many GUIs or python scripts that takes up performance just cause they didn't make it use the graphics cards by default for the graphics.

[@lucascamelo3079]

I think kdenlive still doesn't support gpu aceeration and it's a freaking video editing tool 😂

[@Psychx_]

Eww, GTK4/libadwaita. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.

[@VeitLehmann]

You can configure it to use GTK3 without libadwaita so it blends in nicely with Xfce4/Cinnamon/Mate.

[@PyVerse-47]

nothing special to see here and KDE version is not native at all fake hype like always

[@nikunjkhangwal]

@@PyVerse-47 It's impossible to make a native app on Linux because there's no one defined standard, dev explained it in his post. That's why he gave the option to disable GTK decorations.

[@MisakaMikotoDesu]

​@@nikunjkhangwal If it wasn't for RHEL everyone would have moved to Qt by now. Unfortunately we cannot have good things when corporate money is involved.

[@aingbager]

Saya sudah mencobanya tapi lebih lambat dari alacritty,untuk saat ini saya tetap menggunakan alacritty

[@reiwichiaoqueipu8490]

One window of ghosty eats 6x more ram that urxvt in daemon mode, serving multiple windows 🤔 It's also the first time I've seen terminal in powertop, with 40 events/s, which is somehow more than idle firefox tab... Maybe 'speed' .neq. performance.