Giant Scale Aerobatic Float Flying (E-flite Carbon Z Cub SS)

[@dwproductions3979]

Jon I just discovered your channel. Great flying and video work. It's nice when people put time and effort into their videos. You have top level flying skills for sure, we can all learn from you. Just a friendly suggestion, maybe consider zooming out from time to time, it give a nice feeling of the speed and just a break from the constant zoom in.

[@TwoBrosRC]

I'll let Tony know about zooming out a bit. It may not be totally practical for him to do given the way his phone focuses. Zooming in and out makes it much more likely for the sensor to defocus. Appreciate the feedback, DW!

[@rlbutterfield]

Massive, impressive aircraft. Very enjoyable video. Well done, Jon👍🏻

[@TwoBrosRC]

Thanks Randy! Always enjoy reading what you've got to say.

[@rogerhartzell544]

I absolutely love that plant you fly so well. I’m going to pull the trigger and get that plane. Also want to upgraded motor ESC..

[@TwoBrosRC]

Thanks dude!

[@bobguerin195]

excellent flying in tight quarters.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Thanks Bob! There's bigger lakes but they're not as much fun to fly at.

[@671JK]

As always, another great video and flight time brotha.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Thanks Anthony!

[@patrickrinehart4393]

Wow! Dude, you are a realy good pilot!

[@canadianrcpilot9048]

Love that size of aircraft - on my bucket list for sure !

[@TwoBrosRC]

It handles huge, too. These models with 2m wingspans fly more like full scale aircraft than models. There's a lot of inertia involved in flying them. You'll really enjoy it.

[@AdrianMateoDrones]

Brother Jon look here man. I am amazed on how this BEAST just performs dude. Dam that was amazing and by the way dude you are an awesome Pilot Sir. Thanks so much for sharing buddy. I wish you lived in Florida around the Gainesville area man bcus I need a great pilot to teach this newbie pilot how to fly fixed wings planes. I have an electric one and a nitro gas powered one. Thanks again for sharing. You got yourself a new subbed here buddy. I would appreciate support if possible. Thanks for all you do and please keep flying,

[@TwoBrosRC]

Thanks Adrian! I'm born and raised in Orlando - lived there for 35 years. Only moved up to the Raleigh area of NC for my career. I still visit Florida about once or twice a year to see friends and family. I put out a lot of tutorial content so I'm hoping you'll find that useful if you dig through my upload history. One thing I haven't done much of yet is tutorial content on taking off and landing propeller planes - give me an idea of what you'd like to see and I'll do what I can.

[@Bengraziano]

I’d love to see a video that explains your more advanced mixing techniques like the “snap flaps” and how it helps the plane perform harriers. I can’t seem to find any videos explaining that.

[@TwoBrosRC]

No need for a vid, it's just aerodynamics at work. Snap flaps are a simple mix of elevator to flaps, usually two mixes need to be used - one is set to 100% and 100% or -100% and -100%, whichever commands the flaps to drop as the elevator is pitched up. The second mix is identical but set to 50% or so in order to get 150% throw on the flaps, so they deploy fully when the elevator is pulled while the mixes are activated. This generates a massive amount of lift and allows a quick vertical wall maneuver with most props. The quick explanation for harrier mixing is that throwing flaps up into the airflow of the prop wash can result in a stable harrier. It's more noticeable with models like the Night Timber X. Without flaps scheduled upward into the prop wash, the model will violently wing rock as each wing stalls, one after the other. With the flaps scheduled up, the wing rock is minimized or entirely eliminated because it stabilizes the airflow over the wing and keeps it from separating as easily. It's not as effective on the Cub - that is to say we've only performed it once and it was weird feeling the entire time.

[@Bengraziano]

@@TwoBrosRC Thanks for the technical explanation! I understood that it’s just an elevator to flap mix but I didn’t understand why it helps with those maneuvers. I would try to harrier my CZ Cessna 150 often and I found that dropping the flaps halfway would help with the wing rock. Thanks!

[@TwoBrosRC]

Dropping flaps in high AoA maneuvers will significantly increase the risk of an asymmetric stall - that so-called "tip stall" people often talk about - which will lead to a potential spiral and catastrophic wreck at low altitude. Scheduling flaps upward is usually the best way to approach it and helps get the wing out of the way so it flies purely on thrust instead of flying in high alpha.

[@Bengraziano]

@@TwoBrosRC I would totally watch a well-produced videos series explaining stuff like this. I think a lot of novice rc enthusiasts would benefit from it. You’re the guy to do it!!

[@roncoleman2134]

Bloody hell, awesome flying 👏 I'd love to see you fly a big warbird 👌😀

[@TwoBrosRC]

I'll get one of them sometime - I've been eyeing the 1.5m P-51 from Horizon. Thanks Ron!

[@roncoleman2134]

@@TwoBrosRC Gotta love the P51 (Tankbuster) Jon ☺ Go for it, don't forget to post it here, she'll be putty in your hands lol 👌 all the best

[@3DMOFO2020]

I'm shocked you never thought of calling your channel"Don't Stall It R/C" 😂😂 Fantastic job with all of the flights on your Ole Faithful👍👍

[@TwoBrosRC]

"Don't stall it" would be the most inaccurate channel name ever in my case, haha

[@907jesse]

Best flying video, good job!

[@keithlucas6260]

Bought the original blue/white one when it came out in 2016....did some upgrades as well.

[@TwoBrosRC]

A man of wisdom, I see.

[@canadianrcpilot9048]

Awesome flying skills - looking forward myself to a lot more airtime with my Turbo Timber Evo 1.5m

[@TwoBrosRC]

They fly similar but the Cub is really unique experience. You've gotta try it sometime.

[@allesubermodellflugzeuge6119]

Hi Jon, Could you make a Video on how to set up the full span ailerons

[@TwoBrosRC]

Check my Night Timber X setup guide. It's an identical process. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaOcnXeGitFod7c

[@furball5553]

Can't stop laughing over completely taco 🌮

[@wolfgangreiner744]

Wow, your flying skills are amazing. I wonder if Horizon Hobby ever thought anyone would 3D that plane, especially on floats. I have a new CarbonZ Cessna150T, ready to maiden any day now. Wonder if you’d mind answering another question for me. Is it possible to have switch activated telemetry voice alert on the ix12? I’d like the ability to toggle switch G (for example) and get an instantaneous Altitude voice alert. I’m getting the altitude readouts on the dashboard but don’t want to take my eyes off the plane.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Thanks Wolfgang. It's possible to have a switch control altitude callouts. This is done in the Voice Alerts section of the IX12 Mode Setup menu and commanding a switch position to call out $Altitude in the Custom Switch Reports on a timed basis - or you can just keep flipping the switch. I personally use switch I because it's a pushbutton system.

[@wolfgangreiner744]

Thanks Jon. I should have known that; LOL. I use Custom Voice Alerts for Flight modes, Dual Rates, etc. Not sure why my brain thought Altitude was any different. Thanks again for your help, Jon. Altitude callouts are configured and ready to use.

[@ross5307]

Just curious, do you use a flight simulator for practice or did you just wreck hundreds of planes to get to where you are in your flight abilities? I’m asking because I’m just getting back into the hobby after flying nitro as a kid in the 80’s and 90’s when everything was a balsa build and our main objective was to get the plane down in one piece. Great flying my friend! If you do use a simulator, which one is it and do you know if there are any good ones for Mac?

[@TwoBrosRC]

I've been flying Microsoft Flight Simulator since 1995. Most of my ability to fly comes from understanding stick movements since I was nine. I got into RC with RealFlight, but I don't recommend it for anything more than basic stick understanding. The physics are very poor and do not represent model flight well enough to train you.

[@mateasalpeza8155]

I love your flying and your a great pilot, I just have one question, how on earth do you mange to fly this plane without water getting into the water rudder servo every time and flooding it up? I have already had two of these servos die on me after placing the first, thanks.

[@TwoBrosRC]

We jammed a piece of EPO into the back and sealed it with silicone caulk!

[@mateasalpeza8155]

@@TwoBrosRC thanks, you mean inside the actual compartment underneath where the cable comes out form, or from the back outside where the rudder link is?

[@TwoBrosRC]

The very back of it where the pushrod comes out.

[@kennethimlej5177]

Love your your aggressive flight and I have the same plane without floats. Not as good as you though, but it's a blast to fly! I'm wondering how you installed your lighting system because I'd like to do the same. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Hi Kenneth! Thanks for checking out my channel. I used the GT Power 3w Aircraft Lighting System from MotionRC. I just cut into the wings with a sharp blade and ran the lights through the channel I created, then sealed the channel with CA glue. I did something similar on top with the white strobe (ran the wire through the towing attachment hole) and on the bottom where the red anti-collision beacon is. It wasn't difficult at all.

[@Bengraziano]

I just got home from flying my carbon-z Cessna 150 on floats. One of my favorite planes. Have you ever had problems with those floats leaking? I had to replace the servo with a waterproof one. I tried my best to seal the float with some silicon but it’s still getting in there and I don’t want to have to take the cover off every time to empty the water out. I’m thinking about completely sealing it off and creating some kind of wire rig like the Turbo Timber has for its rudder.

[@TwoBrosRC]

I wouldn't call it leaking. The float system the Carbon Z models use is identical between the 150 and the Cub SS. The floats have a cavity the servo sits in which is open to water intrusion. I used a piece of EPO foam and jammed it into the open port in the rear of the float, then sealed it and the top of the float with silicone caulk. Haven't had a problem since.

[@Bengraziano]

@@TwoBrosRC I think the problem is that little black plastic tube that the pushrod slides back and forth inside of. I’m going to try sealing that up around the “transom” of the float where the tube passes through it.

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@Bengraziano Use some EPO foam and seal it with silicone. It'll fix that up real quick.

[@Piano_Reimagined]

This will sound very wrong, but take a pencil and poke 2 holes at the back of each float. Obviously only do this if you have a waterproof servo. Water will get into the floats during taxi but on takeoff and climb out, the water will flow freely out of the holes and your floats won’t have water get trapped since it can flow freely out. There is no difference in performance with the water going into the floats before takeoff because when you accelerate, the water gets pushed out. Haven’t had a problem. Replaced the crappy servo with a savox one.

[@Bengraziano]

Just ordered this plane to replace my Cessna 150. I forgot to tighten the thumb screws that secure the wings to the fuselage. The Cessna electronics will live on in a hangar 9 90” carbon cub that I plan on acquiring once it comes back in stock. I can’t wait to float fly the Eflite cub on a camping trip next week!

[@old-rcplane-phart]

Jon; Are u using the power 46 OR the power 60 in this bird? (Looking at getting a power to use in my 10cc ultra stick arf, but cant make up MY mind on size🤷). Thanks! 👍

[@TwoBrosRC]

Power 60 470kv using an Avian 100 amp ESC. ;)

[@old-rcplane-phart]

@@TwoBrosRC After i seen THIS video, of the differences in power, YOU had mey attention. Now u got me sold! 🤷 LoL! Thank again! Ill order mine tomorrow morning! 👍

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@old-rcplane-phart Nice, man! Consider buying it from my link to help support the channel at no cost to yourself: amzn.to/3vOmEl7

[@charlie1571]

Damn! You are good.

[@TwoBrosRC]

I'm decent lol, got a lot of work to do to get to the point where I can effortlessly torque roll this beast. Appreciate you though!

[@garrykennedy5484]

I see you have lights on it. I put the lights from the Cessna on mine. Is that the ones you used? I haven't tried my floats yet. I think I have the wrong hardware kit actually.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Nah, the GT Power system on MotionRC: www.motionrc.com/products/gt-power-high-power-3w-aircraft-lighting-system-gtphpairled The Cessna lighting system is like 10% as bright.

[@jbeattie728]

New to the hobby but I've put a few hours into the sim and the carbon cub s2. I bought this plane because I knew I would want to fly it some day. Do you think this is too big a step up from the cub s2 and should I fly an intermediate plane like the timber evolution before jumping into this plane. Its quite intimidating due its size lol. Thanks!

[@TwoBrosRC]

I'd go with a Timber before moving up to this model. It's heavy. It flies better than most similar models at smaller scales, but it also requires being more in-tune with how aircraft fly. If you're not familiar with inertia, this model has it and it'll surprise you with how agile it is - yet how mushy it can feel if you're not flying at the right airspeed. Definitely work up to it. 1.5m models are a good step first.

[@jbeattie728]

@@TwoBrosRC Thanks buddy... that was my gut instinct too. Now I have an excuse for a new plane 🙃

[@rogerhartzell544]

I have a question hopefully you can help me. My wife is going to get me this plane for Christmas!! and I want to put the 60 470kv in it and also the 100 amp ESC from spectrum I ordered all the stuff that is listed. My question is do I need any special tools to program the ESC or do I just follow the directions that comes with it, and listen to the beeps I am not super good with all of the computers .😞 so was hoping I could just install it and hopefully understand and follow the directions that come with it. I was able to put a castle creation 90 in my other plane without too much of a problem, but not sure with the spectrum ESC..lol any information you could give me I was so kindly appreciate thank you so much.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Hop on Discord via discord.gg/twobrosrc and ask for help in the #tech-and-setup channel!

[@old-rcplane-phart]

I may save my BL50 (10cc Ultra stick ARF) & order a Power 60.😁

[@old-rcplane-phart]

Idk tho. Its all wood & a bit smaller than the 2.1/2.3m

[@TwoBrosRC]

You won't regret it. The 470kv is a beast.

[@jjs3287]

My dream plane but here in the UK it will set you back over £700 to get one of these in the air with just 1 battery so for me it will remain just a dream.

[@rogerhartzell544]

I noticed you said you’re running a 6S 40000 Have you tried a 6S 6000? I was just wondering if you would get more flight time or do you think it would be too heavy I’m wanting to get this plane and put the bigger motor in ESC in it but I wanted to run a 6000 in mine to at least get 8 min what is your opinion on that?

[@TwoBrosRC]

For the kind of flying you're seeing here, a lighter pack is the only choice that makes sense.

[@errattiq]

Jon, I just completed this motor, ESC, hitec servo and prop swap. I have a question though, what did you torque your prop nut to? The power of this motor is scary, I’d hate for this prop to come off! 😂

[@TwoBrosRC]

Run the motor at 25% throttle with nothing attached to it, then hold a piece of sandpaper to the prop shaft and press hard for about 5 to 10 seconds. Wipe the motor shaft off with a paper towel and make sure it's clean of any leftover metal debris, then reattach the propeller assembly. If it comes off, it's because the entire front end of the aircraft departed. It should hold fine. ;)

[@errattiq]

Oh man that’s a phenomenal idea! That should create plenty of bite. Thank you!

[@GregJ228]

I have owned two carbon cub s2’s and have been flying them for around a year and a half I would say I’ve mastered it 100% aside from as3x landings. I think this is a absolutely awesome looking plane and want to know if you guys think I can handle it as a second airplane. I’ve also flown the 1.1m T28 and all Umx propeller planes. I can do any aerobatics the cub is capable of and can land in as3x mode just not perfectly every time.

[@TwoBrosRC]

As a second plane? Probably not. It's pretty expensive, so if you crash it, it's gonna be a lot to fix. Try moving up to a Turbo Timber first. We've posted several vids on that plane that should help you out.

[@GregJ228]

@@TwoBrosRC thanks glad to hear back from you guys so quickly

[@matthewmorrissey2568]

Does it come with lights

[@TwoBrosRC]

Nah, as I mentioned I'm using the Motion RC light system called "GT Power 3w Aircraft Lighting System"

[@Piano_Reimagined]

How do you get your flat spins so flat. I think I have my cub too nose heavy for that. Is your battery pushed back farther?

[@TwoBrosRC]

We fly with full throws and a light battery. If you want a really flat spin, flaperons help significantly too. The commands to enter it are full back elevator and full rudder, then as the spin begins you'll add aileron opposite to the direction of the rudder input you're giving.

[@ederdmann7347]

Hey Jon, wanted to ask are you using the stock prop adapter with the Power 60? I have a bolt on adapter that I wanted to use but I will have to make a plate to move out the motor 3/8” to clear the cowl. But I see it clears fine with the stock adapter without the custom plate. Just don’t want the prop flying off.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Yeah, I'm using the stock adapter. Sand the motor shaft, wipe it clean, then attach the prop adapter to it. That'll keep it from shooting off.

[@juliand2107]

This is the same motor as the Hangar 9 Cub 15cc uses for electric setup, right? :)

[@TwoBrosRC]

Probably.

[@jasonwerle4075]

I just got my cub like this and it’s a little underpowered for hovering. Is it because you have the power 60 in there? Did you have to change the esc? Or just the stock one?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Power 60 470kv motor: bit.ly/3weuows Avian 100a ESC: bit.ly/3PywkGY Those two upgrades (coupled with a Xoar 16x8 propeller) will provide all the power you need. That's what we're running on this setup.

[@coreyfingleton7135]

Amazing flight video! I just ordered one with the same motor & ESC setup. What Hitec servos are you using? I am very impressed with how fast & smooth they operate.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Hey man! Thanks for watching. In the future, you can buy directly from our Horizon affiliate links if you'd like to support the channel - no cost to you and helps us out tremendously. The servos we used are these: amzn.to/3PbtOqc There's four left, so pick them up quick! For the flaps, we'd recommend HS-85MGs which you can find here: amzn.to/3oY3Rj5

[@coreyfingleton7135]

@TwoBrothersRadioControl Thank you very much for the servo info! I will definitely check out the affiliate link for future purchases to help support your channel. 🤙

[@coreyfingleton7135]

@@TwoBrosRC I can't thank you guys enough for the links to get those servo's, that really means alot to me! Do you remember what servo horns you guys are using on the Hitec's? The E-flite horns won't work & the servo output sizes are different between the flap servos & the 26g servos. Cant seem to find any servo horns that have the same length as the stock ones.🤔 Your channel has quickly become one of my favorite RC channels & I have been sharing with all of my friends. Keep up the great work!

[@Price1717]

Wow impressive ! I have the first version with floats . Love it . Now is this the stock motor or something else ? 💪💪❤️

[@TwoBrosRC]

Thanks Paul. It's the Power 60 470kv motor with an Avian 100 amp ESC swinging a 16x8 Xoar prop.

[@Price1717]

@@TwoBrosRC I need to check my old version cause I did eflight upgrade 3 years ago and it def. More powerful but yours sure did sound stronger . And just amazing flying it to . I love flying off water to , again sure put on a show / ALL flying videos quite impressive 💪❤️💥 Thx for sharing your info I will look into this upgrade ..

[@old-rcplane-phart]

How big a of a difference frim the BL50? Only $15 more? (Ive been using a lot of BL50's)

[@TwoBrosRC]

No idea. Mine came with the BL50. I paid $130 for the motor upgrade.

[@Price1717]

@@TwoBrosRC I found the box BL 60 470kv Is what I’ve been flying with .

[@MohammadAdib]

Great piloting! What battery are you using and whats the total flight time usually?

[@TwoBrosRC]

This was shot on a 4000 60c Zeee pack: amzn.to/3kDquHm Flight time varies. If you're doing a lot of high energy aerobatics, you're looking at 3 to 6 minutes of flight time. Slow flight and energy-managed aero should net you closer to 8-10.

[@kamilknych7301]

Do you use any spesial propell?? Or original ??

[@TwoBrosRC]

The info is in the vid.

[@kamilknych7301]

@@TwoBrosRC what propeller do you use ?

[@jasonwerle4075]

What prop do you have on?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Xoar 16x8

[@RockandRollRC]

Nice.

[@TwoBrosRC]

No, U

[@lightpolebluelamaa4207]

I really want this but it’s over 1000Nzd

[@itzjoeylo4501]

Carbon Cub or HSD Cessna 180…? Forgetting about floats or skis, purely comparing grass field flying…!

[@TwoBrosRC]

The Cub is more our style of flying with full span ailerons.