Giants-Cowboys film, 30K thoughts, life after Schoen/Daboll

[@Mr.Brightside8810]

Can we please take a moment to appreciate how difficult it has to be to do three podcasts on this shit team per week? Can we please step up the likes for these guys? They deserve it!

[@pierre-yvesbianchi8841]

I can say confidently that all of us watching your podcast in such a terrible season are die hard giants fans. And we are all grateful for the amazing effort you are putting in giving us consistent quality content. Thank you guys!!

[@didgruntleddansnyderfan]

Not at all. I'm a Redskins fan and love this pod. Always studying other disasters, and of course it's even better when it's in the NFCE. Dan Snyder turned me into this...Jets, Browns and this season the Cowboys and Giants. I'm having a blast!

[@Scrooge721]

@@didgruntleddansnyderfan😅😢

[@jerroldabrom3046]

Thank goodness for you guys to help with our therapy for this team. No hyped up loud intros, intelligent broken down viewpoints but also from the gut. I do watch and respect other Giant podcasts but you guys are in pole position from my POV.... Go Giants

[@OhitsSid]

Appreciate the effort from you guys during such a tough season, hopefully whatever regime can get us back to a competent football team.

[@RohanShahm]

Thankful for you guys! I consume about 3-4 hours of content from you on a weekly basis and sometimes my wife and 4 year old also listen in..thankful to you for taking my Giants fandom and turning that into a love for the sport through your excellent X's and O's.

[@johnopiola8610]

Best breakdown on Giants games on the internet. Always come here first for Dan's and Nick's takes.

[@clerns]

Always appreciated guys, hope the Giants didn't ruin your Thanksgiving.

[@jhendrix2932]

Great stuff guys. Your show, and Talkin Giants get me through being a Giants fan. Keep up the good work, it’s bound to get better.

[@SweetLimeP]

Thankful for ya’ll for patiently covering this trash fire. It can’t be easy. I’ll still keep tuning in AND LIKING EVERY VIDEO even though I’m not watching the games until Schoen and Daboll are gone

[@manuelviellieber4763]

Couldn’t have said it any better.

[@originalrecipedan]

Thanks for the channel and the podcasts. Misery loves company. If you need me, I'll be over here rewatching Super Bowl XLII highlights.

[@jevonfrancis733]

Just stopping to hit the like button! Can't give this team no more time and energy this season.

[@Rob-gy1dd]

In the face of another pathetic season, I still enjoy you guys talkin’ ball. Best Giants content out there.

[@FranticFanatic]

Appreciate your analysis, Nick and Dan!

[@AmericanSuperStar700]

Bellinger should have more touches! He is our TE1 and was a reliable target in past seasons! His disappearance this season is an indictment on Dabolls incompetence

[@spetsnazGRU1991]

brian dabol does not inspire me anymore. but it might not be him, it could be that idiot mike kafka

[@YourAverageFan]

I feel for Dan. He’s finally in the situation I’ve been in since the draft/FA. Walking into the season with no comp or rookie with Jones. THEY HAD TO GET A QB IN THE OFFSEASON AND DIDNT. Now your prize is a top 3 pick with MEDIOCRE QB PROSPECTS. It’s such bad management and you CANT keep the GM and HC bc now they’re not doing things for the Giants they’re doing things to keep their jobs.

[@33moneyball]

Yup…reality is McCarthy, nix, and Penix are all better prospects than what’s available in this draft.

[@savvv973]

Appreciate the content you guys are goated 💯 can’t wait to see you guys blow up once the giants actually start winning

[@lonniemeeks3852]

Thanks, guys, for coming on. I waited after the game for your take on the game.

[@afc5253]

Thanks!

[@albinb4018]

Thank you for all you do guys,I do appreciate it

[@duncanluciak5516]

These are the times that test your fandom. Makes the victories sweeter when they come.

[@LaZyiRemixes]

I say it time and time again…I love the unfiltered and brutally honest critique of this team! Keep it coming and once again…we suffer together and we fans will support your content (despite the Giants being a team that would lose in the UFL) 😂 PS Yes, SOAD is a bad-ass band! 👏🏼

[@Christie1271]

Thank you BBB!! Absolutely 💯 excellent podcast!!

[@davidjp57781]

Good job guys. Always appreciate your analysis.

[@nintendorox5]

Good pod as always

[@TrollKing2781]

You're welcome Fool.

[@BDonOne]

In NY market all podcast/radio is just click bait talking point. Love you guys and the ability to break it down based on the film instead of narratives

[@chino7287]

Schoen underestimated the true values of Saquon & X. They were both homegrown talent & great locker room leaders. Also, they more than likely don't produce their current numbers with the Giants. However, we should be asking ourselves why not? Why hasn't Schoen put together a better team in THREE seasons?? These are bad indictments on the GM. I don't understand how people want him to select a QB & have an additional 2-3 years. Pure insanity.

[@hisuiangengar8169]

Good episode guys! Btw the saints game is at MetLife

[@michaelmeenan5522]

Here's why Drew Lock played well. - The elephant in the room are the two turnovers. Correctable physical errors. More practice reps on screens and better ball security when busting for a first down from a collapsed pocket. I'll give Lock the same slack we give to Tyrone Tracy. Right now, I'm focusing on the talent Drew Lock displayed in this game. - Central to this analysis is the point, as you both granted, that Lock was thrown into this game with short notice and zero reps. - Drew Lock engineered touchdown drives in the first & fourth quarters. The first TD made a statement punctuated by a 28-yard run to the 1-yard line. The second TD was preceded by a pass to Nabers that neither DJ nor Devito are capable of making. The most important thing is Lock never quit and neither did the offense. Nabers, Theo and Tracy were fully engaged. - Lock involved Nabers early in the passing game. Connections with Theo & Co in the 2nd half moved the offense despite penalty interruptions. Multiple times, Lock overcame huge O-Line penalties to keep scoring drives alive. - Passing - Lock completed 21 of 32 passes for 178 yards. Include 4 dropped passes & he's 25 of 32. 25 of 32. - Four incompletions were physically caused by pass rush. - One incomplete pass connected but Slayton (I think) could only get one foot in. If you want to rant about the remaining two incompletions, knock yourself out. - And passing yardage, Dan. Beyond the dropped passes, how about several completions taken off the board by penalties? Changes Lock's YPP, does it not? Fact is that Lock successfully moved the offense to overcome a couple of otherwise drive-killing penalties. - Rushing - Lock led the team with 50+ rushing yards, We can agree the yards were scrambled, not designed. - Drew Lock and Tommy Devito are not in the same class of NFL quarterbacks, clearly. Lock exhibited a measure of control that had the offense functioning. If Daboll is smart, he'll continue with Lock as #1. Let's see what we have in house before tanking for a #1 draft pick. I'd rather we invest our draft capital bolstering the O-Line and D-Line and use FA capital on linebackers and secondary. - I have my doubts in Daboll. Zero confidence in Shane Bowen (Twelve weeks in the books and the secondary is still without an interception? How is that possible?) -I do not doubt Drew Lock's QB competence.

[@walking_on_MARZ]

Excellent work men! Once again, palace intrigue is all we have to garner interest in this team. Who’s getting fired? When? Who’s getting drafted? Which round? Yadda, yadda, yadda. Not much intrigue when you’ve seen this story over and over. I just wanna see some good ball played by the team I root for. That’s how low it’s gotten. I know wins are out of the question. Just not keystone cops level bad. That’s too much to ask I guess.

[@f.m.7698]

I’m 47 years old and I have seen a LOT of bad Giants teams. I’m not sure if this is the worst of them but it’s definitely the most surprisingly bad. I thought we’d be a middling team- OK talent with the QB holding them back. How did we get HERE?

[@jmazzella1]

I rewatched hard knocks … this year was a rebuilding year with Jones needing to show he was elite

[@LAlonely]

Watching the Giants from a 30,000k view - i want to jump.

[@okayrene]

Thank you for the weekly therapy sesh.

[@Gitt374]

Thanks boys

[@dtc_pep]

Thank you guy's

[@CarlosSantana-gc7fi]

Support Dan and Nick!

[@michaelwillis9868]

Unable to comment football wise on the pod, due to apathy and total disgust. But totally agree on SOAD. 1 of the few favorites I haven’t seen live along with Rage Against the Machine. Lead singer Serj doesn’t like to tour as much as the rest of the band would like. They only play a few festivals a year. You guys will likely have to travel to see them. Would totally be worth it. I’m hoping to plan a trip to see them. Dec. 21st Belfast UK is the only show listed right now.

[@josephgrosso2943]

Good analysis in the dark time

[@bearvsshaan]

SOAD is incredible, the singer is named Serj

[@johnblaze5252]

With Thomas & Dexter out & Jones on the Vikings all of a sudden Slayton is the last Gettleman pick left. So after 3 years the roster went from bottom of the barrel and pretty much stayed @ the same level. So nothing really changed.

[@josephmarcatante2929]

Great job as usual fellas. Cut the cord and fire Dabol and Schoen now. Hire a GM with a proven track record of winning.

[@Rob-gy1dd]

Worst situation I’ve ever seen the Giants in. And I saw the mid 70’s teams. Let us pray…….

[@jmazzella1]

Perhaps drill into what the issues with the defensive calls … also remember that this is new scheme From my view I tend to see our very very young secondary making typical year one growing pains and tend to get picked on. This effect is also getting amplified when the rush doesn’t get home very quickly

[@GYLTLLC]

I have no idea how they fix this team, a new QB is going to get killed here, dark years are ahead, unfortunately.

[@johnpitbull354]

I used to get upset with the amount of advertising on yalls page but it is absolutely justifiable. My mistake gentlemen. You are TROOPERS for the coverage you put out on this awful joke DUMPSTER of an organization. Respect

[@okayrene]

Not on this podcast but there were some debates during the draft about whether Cooper Beebe should’ve been the pick over Dru Philips. Do we still feel that way?

[@Twill2909]

Dabol showed us his coaching ability in 2022; there is a story yet uncovered that made this team decline . ( personnel? Salary cap? ) - did he really hire Wink ? Did he want DJ? Etc… and hard to overcome this type of decline.

[@styeiwehdeisfdo]

You look at Dallas and see they passed 36 times and ran the ball 32 times and think Mike McCarthy is an idiot for not running at least 70% of the time. Giants run defense is horrendous.

[@CINO0816]

For everyone killing Schoen for picking up Dulcich off waivers this is why you pick up players who are talented regardless of what you have at that position because one game later we need him. Tyler Nubin is awesome

[@JerroldJacovitz]

This is for Dan... I do a daily TV/Radio Podcast each day on Horse Racing and have been doing it for 28 years consecutively... I have experience... Dan, you have potentially a great show, but it will only be great if you start to edit yourself and stop talking over your partner... especially when your partner is the EXPERT on Technique. The 2nd thing, after not talking over your partner, is you MUST shorten your thoughts...

[@bigblue_sportscards1284]

I am engaging with this video

[@soubhaanmasood4207]

Writing a comment because I can!

[@RacerXdBrother]

There's no grass on this septic tank😂

[@chriskailath5281]

The defense has regressed under Shane Bowen. He can’t be the DC in 2025

[@dslime54393]

Bro read the room the first 8 weeks of the season the defense played they ass off then they quit once Daniel jones got released bro don’t group Shane Bowen in with daboll dumb ass

[@johnblaze5252]

That’s not necessarily fair . But @ this point why not get rid of him. He really doesn’t have the personal that fits his style. Winks guys. So I blame Daboll for being difficult to work for. His OC / assistant HC is not doing what he was hired for & Wink basically quit.

[@BrandonMazzera]

The D was pretty good under wink until daboll ran him out the building

[@jackbuchholz9609]

hey guys, not sure i speak for everyone, but honestly don’t need to hear about the giants much more this season. i think we all understand the current situation. i hope draft content starts soon so we can have SOMETHING to look forward to! thanks for everything!

[@kruunchl8478]

5 Coaches and 3 GMs in the past 10 years. While you can find fault with parts of all of them, the common denominator is front office and ownership. Too many poor hires, too much nepotism, too much leaning on what worked in the "good ole days". John Mara is a poor owner. Compare with their buddies, the Steelers: 3 coaches in the past 50+ years ... 2 seasons under .500 in the past 30 years. That's what you call a well run team.

[@davemandaro2138]

IMO The ONLY option for change is to hand the keys to Belichick 😳

[@jmazzella1]

Nick… seriously you’re too close to it. The culture is not rotten. The coaching staff has done a good job of attempting to reduce the playbook given the talent left on the team. A transition year for the QB big injuries again to key players has left the Giants with a lot of filler players.

[@gabecicale1860]

Is there any evidence that Joe Schoen manages Daboll in any way regarding how he's performing his job? I've always been wary of their relationship being too friendly. At some point the GM has to hold the coach accountable for his job performance.

[@madboy999999]

We need a Rebrand. Like the Patriots did. New Logo, New Stadium. Everyone gets Fired, even the cleaning ladies. Need a new Vibe.

[@s3anb0i40]

hope you guys had a good thanksgiving despite the giants usual nonsense!

[@Twill2909]

Are we a better team with Love, Leo, Tyrod, A’Shawn, SB, X , ….

[@messimamba6123]

I’m gonna keep saying this. SHEDEUR WILL BE A GIANT.

[@tommyg5966]

Save me Big Blue Banter

[@richrucci6908]

Idk what Schoen was thinking w Brian Burns. The Panthers were awful while he was there. What did he expect?

[@analysis1957]

I really wanted to believe in the GM and coach but if you look at all the moves made and the product on the field it is really hard in my mind to bring these guys back. I was just starting to watch the Giants in the 70's and 2024 reminds me of those days sad to say. The Giants are the laughing stock of the NFL.

[@scottejohnson83]

Since I don’t trust Schoen’s evaluations or any QBs in this year’s draft, I’m all in on picking up a kings ransom for our top 3 pick… add some actual talent in the trenches and secondary. Find a decent bridge QB in FA and see where the chips fall.

[@JamesStoll-b4p]

guys, need an episode realistically assessing the pieces of the roster worth building around and whether some of our best pieces should in any event be traded because, by the time the team could be competitive the players will no longer be as good as they are today - i. e., Dexter Lawrence; or should be traded or at least looked at as unreliable due to chronic injury - i.e., Andrew Thomas. As I look at the roster Eluemenor is the best lineman on the roster because Thomas is simply injured far too often. I think Dex should be traded for a 1 or 2 in the offseason because he may not be that effective in 2027 - the first possible time this team becomes competitive. Okereke is in the Lawrence camp. Banks is a bust in the making. Burns will likely be on the back nine in '27. There is nothing on offense to be excited about. Nabers is a disaster unless a great QB arrives here in '25 and hits the ground running. Is there such a QB in the draft? And without an o-line can a rookie QB be expected to hit the ground running. I think if Daboll and Schoen are here next year, 0-17 is the most likely outcome.

[@michaelwillis9868]

Ok 1 football comment. I was just saying hire Belichick as operations consultant. Not sure he would be interested, but helping return the Giants to respectability should seem attractive to him.

[@Scrooge721]

Lots of fans are in favor of the tank. My question is why should we have trust in Daboll and Schoen to draft and develop the right QB? I don’t have that confidence.

[@Mr2incred]

👍🏼

[@jpstevensVII]

😢😢

[@RacerXdBrother]

Blow it up, you can't separate the GM-HC successfully. Bring in a Vrabel with a dedicated OC, a new DC and O-line coach. Roll the friggin dice. How much worse can it get than this disgrace on the 100th anniversary of this storied franchise.

[@Mato-x6g]

neal was left tackle/gaurd in college daboll decided to play neal out of position by starting neal at right tackle instead of gaurd or back up left tackle .and hyatt isn't ass he just needed a qb to give him The ball and the qbs with the best connections with hyatt was tyrod Taylor and tommy devito them two qbs gave hyatt a chance Daniel jones didn't.devito is better than DJ btw. also daboll is the one calling stupid plays that give hyatt go routes and post all the time. Daboll should've gave hyatt intermediate and slant routes but chose to only give hyatt deep routes daboll doesn't know how to coach this type of wr personnel group he needs to leave, schoen drafted great pieces but daboll didn't know how to use them.also daboll was stupid for taking play calling from Kafka ,Kafka is more familiar with this type of speedy wr personnel remember Kafka worked with tyreek hill and mecole hardman in Kansas city.daboll isn't used to this type of personnel daboll worked with slow wr personnel in Buffalo this wr group and Kafka playbook isn't daboll style of offense,daboll needs to leave

[@RacerXdBrother]

Yeah, Slayton was a pleasant surprise when we understood that he was a 4th rounder. How many games, how many big plays missed over the alligator arms/hands. The story of the last decade, missed opportunity, mismanagement, lack of discipline. No excuses

[@DillonFiks]

Think the argument that we shouldn’t fire them because what if Mara picks someone worse is flawed. It’s the same as not drafting a new QB, as what if he is worse. Give them time and if they don’t have it move on.

[@jmazzella1]

Injuries are the real story of 2024 and moving on from Jones. I’m happy if we get the #1 pick…. Let’s test our draft picks and get the young kids more experience … just forget about wins

[@teejarado5543]

Giants suck, but you guys ROCK!

[@coogz13]

how can you trust joe schoen/brian daboll to choose a franchise quarterback and build a system around him when they make hires like shane bowen, go in big and draft/acquire players for his system and then this is the result? you're gonna let them do that to the offense next? they've showed you exactly who they are with that hire and it doesn't get enough attention... everyone's like 'let them get their quarterback!! WHY??? WHY ARE WE PLACING OUR BETS ON THESE TWO WITH THE MOST CRITICAL DECISION OF THE NEXT DECADE OF THIS TEAM????

[@TrollKing2781]

I don't trust Dabald or Joe Shame to pick a tomato in the produce aisle at Walmart. Never mind choosing a QB.

[@BrandonMazzera]

Shoen traded Leonard Williams who's a stud before he hit free agency. Why didn't he do the same with Barkley?

[@TrollKing2781]

Because Joe Shame is incompetent.

[@Steve84066]

Schoen has less hits than Gettleman. How can he stay

[@AmericanSuperStar700]

I just cannot fathom Joe Schoen having Drew Lock as QB2 he is just not an NFL back up. Truly pathetic waste of $5mil

[@MartialFit50]

Total mess. They need 3 new QBs next season A bridge QB (Get an established veteran), draft a rookie, and get another veteran for 3rd string Get rid of Devito and his clown agent. Tommy needs to play ANYWHERE but NJ. The reality tv gimmick isn’t helping him.

[@lvvvvvvv]

Would appreciate a genuine reply to this from somebody? I am so conflicted. I consider myself yknow some what ball knower and i really do believe daboll should stay. is it bad process to feel sympathetic to him dealing with bottom tier offensive line play and horrible quarterback after horrible quarterback? I really do believe he can be a good coach with his QB. and i admit he’s definitely not perfect, but then i ask who’s better that would want to be here? Joe schoen is a different conversation though lol. I can understand that part of it.

[@BelgradeBoy]

Anyone knows if Neal had at least a private workout with the Giants as he skipped the Combine!? If he did…then another major f up by Joe Sh.

[@madboy999999]

Skippy needs to go too.

[@johnkaroly9425]

joe schoen needs to go for all these draft misses…

[@Twill2909]

And yet we traded Leo and let A’Shawn walk….

[@duncanluciak5516]

Neal can't sit his ass down in his stance.

[@michaelwillis9868]

Flowers part 2, but worse because it’s like 5 picks or so picks sooner. Lead feet, zero lateral movement. Additionally the fans hate him for his is idiotic comments last year about the fans being fair weather and burger flippers. I look forward to seeing him flipping burgers in the near future.

[@jacobtemple241]

Screw the giants go big blue banter

[@madboy999999]

New Orleans we play at Crap Life.

[@loopeygoopey]

serj tankien cooked his vocal cords i believe you missed ur shot to enjoy a SOTD concert :/

[@darksimmie2572]

Pick 39, He doesnt draft EDge at all. Probably cause he cant identify any. HE cant identify any OL either. And thats how you build a team, from the inside out. How ironic the pick #39 was used on Braden Friske who has been a productive Pass rusher at the DT position.

[@leroyjenkins204]

Dan you’re pretty.

[@TrollKing2781]

When you came home my dude.

[@johnb3829]

NYG suck, love the show, wanna show support.

[@xeno1121]

I will be in mortal pain if Scoen is allowed to pick this upcoming draft class

[@Mato-x6g]

Joe schoen drafted the right players for mike kafka offense and daboll sabotaged it and remember daboll is the reason wink was gone and wink was loved by the defense 💯 daboll is a terrible coach joe schoen is a good gm mara needs to fire daboll

[@matthews7335]

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[@thecasterkid]

Christ stop saying this roster "if healthy" is good I've heard versions of that since Eli has played. There are ALWAYS a few good players either on the team or can be added in the off season. It. Hasn't. Mattered. That's a bullshit thing to say. It doesn't actually change the reality on the field -- for better or for worse -- it's just not a impactful evaluation for this team.

[@NickF1735]

Not good. But not the worst team in the league. Big difference.

[@davidyork-i4k]

Another shit game, but great podcast. Worst thing from the game was listening to Cooper Rush shout ‘Here we go’! Every snap 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@cyclesmoking]

Sometimes you need to hit rock bottom before you can rise up and go on to great things. Step 1 completed: - Rock Bottom ✅