Mailbag: Would you trade these Giants for X + 30X-foot view Daboll+Schoen future talk

[@ash8004]

Thank you Nick for trolling Dan when he brings up golf 😂

[@albinb4018]

Mailbag time 🎉

[@Mr2incred]

Great content as always guys

[@gilatien08]

Y'all are doing the lords work keeping on with the Podcast. I will keep tuning in. What can I say, I am sick.

[@jpenglish7382]

As always, great pod

[@mtndewit]

Everyone harps on trading Leo, but that's a move you make 10/10 times. You already pay Dex and you weren't going to pay Leo. The picks allowed him to get Burns. The mistake Schoen made that is hurting them most is letting A'Shawn Robinson walk. The run defense was not noticeably different after Leo was traded, because A'Shawn was the 2nd best run stuffer in the NFL. Not only did they not re-sign him, but they didn't address the position at all besides trashcans and just expected 6th rounders from previous years to improve with very little signs they were up to the task. I was hoping that Riley would make the next step as he made some really nice plays in pre-season as a rookie, but he has been what you'd expect from a 6th rounder. Davidson has also been a liability outside a good game against Seattle. The meme about all the guys the Giants let walk and the talking heads (not you two fine gentleman, pillars of the community obviously) don't even mention the one who left the biggest hole on the D. McKinney wouldn't have the same INTs here because teams just run it down the Giants throats. I wanted them to re-sign him, but Schoen said from day 1 he puts less of a premium on S, so paying the highest FA deal to a S wasn't going to happen. He should get knocked for letting A'Shawn go, the other moves are 100% justifiable.

[@selwynandrews7716]

I think undervaluing ya last line of defense in a passing league isn't a ringing endorsement of competence. I don't think any of those moves are justifiable honestly if you looking beneath the surface of it. They massively weakened the front and back end of the defense. It was a whole bunch of bad bets that all went bust.

[@michaelwillis9868]

Additionally Burns and Thibs are both Liabilities against the run. Too similar type of players. Undersized, lack power. Unable to bull rush and set edge and difficulty block shedding. Have to run around Tackles leaving huge lanes for RB’s and QBs to run. Paying Burns elite level edge $ and getting average/below average production is hurting this team. If Burns was so great why would Panthers let him go for a 2nd rounder???? Especially a team looking to build and had a lot of cap?? I’d love to be wrong on this, but I’ve seen nothing special from Burns.

[@rjharrold2907]

Shouldn't have traded for Burns

[@MrSnaje]

Thanks for the podcast!

[@TheTrashman72]

Anybody see that CUSE game?

[@dustinmoseley8863]

Let’s go orange 🍊

[@GravyGaming0]

I was there, McCord is the best qb in the country

[@GravyGaming0]

Minus one 5 pick game. Shit happens

[@ygutkinds]

Dan and Nick, Great podcast as usual even in this terrible state we are in as a fanbase. Keep them Coming. Dan!!! Way to go on your new best score 84 is amazing. Keep us posted on your golf progress. Golf is a great game and I’m glad your game is improving.

[@bigbluebanter1108]

Appreciate you brother! To be fair, it was Hendrix -- under 5900. Short course. Not that much trouble on it. But it was also 48 degrees out. I was DIALED in my man! 12 bogeys, 5 par, 1 double. First round ever where I didn't have more than one double. I would bet it's the first round where I didn't have more than like 4-5 doubles if I looked back.

[@walking_on_MARZ]

Great work men!

[@xeno1121]

I made Carne Asada for Thanksgiving. It was quite tasty. I do have bone in turkey breast on the docket for Christmas. Chef kiss on the green egg. Thanks for the content boys!

[@bigbluebanter1108]

Thank you! Carne Asada is always a hit

[@gavreid]

OOO WE IN FOR A GOOD ONE, LOVE YALL BOYS

[@analysis1957]

Nix throws for almost 300 yards, Winston for almost 500 yards. After watching the Giants try to play football, games like tonight put the fun back in the game.

[@FranticFanatic]

Grate t-shirt, Dan!

[@Cruz_80]

Was not expecting a Dan rant on ketchup!

[@xeno1121]

Jordan Palmer I believe was his QB coach he worked with in the offseason.

[@bigbluebanter1108]

Correct

[@marxyfartsy]

Obligatory comment to help the algorithm so that these guys stay in business during the dark ages

[@3Shuter]

dan with the most correct taylor ham egg and cheese stance out there. 100% agree

[@victor5435]

Good analysis boys. I worry about any GM facing a desperate situation overpaying in FA to fix the club and blowing out our cap for years to come. Best regards, Victor

[@Don_Keydic]

Mid 80s is fantastic on any respectable course. Kudos.

[@lonniemeeks3852]

If you clean house,who do you replace them with?

[@bigbluebanter1108]

That's the question ownership has to weigh.

[@jameshollister8294]

Lots of guys

[@matthewdubois3096]

Nothing better than a BBB mailbag

[@WhySoSeriouz]

Shoutout Ryan! Love a girl with a passion!

[@MLBopp]

1:00:02 “Justin Hunter” 😂

[@BDonOne]

“ oh yeah, I’ll def put a hash brown on it” 😂

[@SharDayTaylor]

Never really messed with the Thanksgiving Turkey until my dad started deep frying it. My favorite dish tho is my mom seafood bisque

[@elscorcho7033]

A Christmas Carol Christmas Vacation The Night Before Not in any particular order, Home Alone too lol

[@Harker911]

I definitely agree with Dan on the bridge QB point. I feel like having a "system" QB who is intelligent and has strong fundamentals is needed because you want this guy to be smart enough to teach the young QB things and also, you want the young QB to have to beat him based out the right reasons and not just because the starting QB is so fundamentally poor that the standard to start is lowered. I like those Andy Daltons, Brisettes, Joe Flaccos (probably too old now) and even Tyrod again. Something along those lines. Gardner Minshew too. Someone that requires the young QB to play sound enough to beat him out. I also agree I would try for Trevor Lawrence if given a chance. I would trade a first and more for him. I understand people who don't want to get him or feel that's too much though.

[@tjm2376]

Listened on the podcast, just here for the like and comment. What constitutes a view for KZbin algorithm? Whole thing, 10 seconds, what do you all need?

[@josephgrosso2943]

What worries me is Schoen using all that cap space to make short-term moves to save his job (something like Reese in 2016).

[@mtndewit]

there is no shot DJ agreed to waive the guarantee not only because of the agent, but the NFLPA would not want Jones to agree to it. Jameis would be my favorite bridge QB if only because the games are ALWAYS entertaining. Maybe it would be more torture than fun when its the Giants hes throwing INTs for and not NO/Cle but I'm willing to give him a chance with our WRs.

[@didgruntleddansnyderfan]

I agree on Jameis. Not necessarily because he'd be great on the field, but because he'd be great in the locker room. And he is great. it's just that he's also, you know, horrendous at the same time. So you're gonna get that part too. He's basically Kirk Cousins but with even wilder swings, and usually in the same game. Plus he's a hilarious holy man.

[@zacharymash1225]

Short of a catastrophic injury to a clear franchise QB, no regime should survive 2-15 in year 3

[@didgruntleddansnyderfan]

True. But the same guy who hired those two, and Gettleman, Judge, Shurmur and Macadoo, will be hiring their replacements. What is your level of trust that he'd make the right hires this time? Firing Daboll and Schoen might just be a futile gesture without a more profound change. Maybe you can't force Mara to sell, but surely you can force him into a side office and lock the door so you can find a real team president to make decisions?

[@cooldude7821]

Yep. Hire an outside agency like the Jets. And I can't believe I'm looking at the Jets for inspiration. You know $h!+ is bad. But hire someone who is qualified outside the organization to find a GM & maybe we'll have more confidence in the process.

[@analysis1957]

Watching the Giants play the last two years the two words that come to my mind are undiscipline and unprepared. That is an indictment on the head coach I am sorry to say as I really wanted Dabol to succeed.

[@didgruntleddansnyderfan]

I never thought he stood a chance with that QB and in that organization, and he def overachieved in 2022. And maybe I'm biased as a Skins fan, but I think dysfunction like this comes from the top, not the head coach. Somehow you need to elbow John Mara aside and get a proper football person running your team.

[@Subo23]

Hopefully one of the Giants beat reporters can ask Mara if he put his thumb on the Daniel Jones scale. That decision led to so many problems

[@TheTrashman72]

Neal's feet fall behind from what I've seen. His feet are slow and he leans to compensate, leading to him being unbalanced. Some people have mentioned Neal losing weight and that could be beneficial. However if his foot speed doesn't improve there's not much to be done

[@michaelwillis9868]

He’s a total bust. And moving him to guard he will likely be worse. He can’t handle a bull rush from edge guy, he will be on his ass every play moving inside. Cut him

[@TheTrashman72]

@@michaelwillis9868 I totally agree

[@didgruntleddansnyderfan]

@@michaelwillis9868 I'll just remind you what happened with Ereck Flowers. Giants fans were saying the same things about him, and he went to the pro bowl one year after going to Washington. A lot of this is bad coaching, closedmindedness and misevaluation. If I were you I'd at least try Neil at guard first. You did spend a first round pick on the man, and you have a tendency now of leaking high draft picks to division rivals for nothing in return. But hey, I'm a Redskins fan and we could use reinfocements on the line. Why am I complaining?

[@michaelwillis9868]

@ supposedly we brought in the Oline Guru from the Raiders this year. Oline is still horrible. Additionally on Neal majority of fans hate the guy after he criticized the fans calling them fair weather fans and said all of us basically don’t know anything calling them all burger flipper. Lashing out at fans because the team got booed isn’t the best idea. I know this. He sucks at blocking and I know bad football when I see it. Parsons completely embarrassed him. Neal can’t anchor keeps his ass way up in the air, hunches over and can’t move laterally. He will get destroyed by big DT’s. Neal is just one of the issues. JMS not progressing. Missed on every lineman Schoen has drafted. Have spent the most capital on Oline in NFL and have the worst line. The team is terrible..a total mess. If you are looking to get JD killed feel free to do us a favor and take him. GM in Washington did an amazing job and you have your franchise QB. Congrats. Must be nice to have competent management.

[@TheTrashman72]

@@michaelwillis9868 I'm not going to bury Carmen Bricillo after 1 year, I think it's a GM problem primarily. And they're playing with their two backup tackles Idk what you expect from them

[@bluesbreaker8]

You need to wrap Evans ii bubble wrap he should be able to learn the Guard position !

[@f.m.7698]

As Giants fans, we all know how this will go: Giants get #1 pick, don’t like the QBs, nobody wants to trade, so they draft a RB. Why would it happen any other way?

[@trevorwinstral2530]

Really interested in TLaw and how much he would cost us in a trade.

[@johnb3829]

No no silly BBB crew, it’s pork roll. Taylor ham is the brand of that particular pork roll. Your welcome, go NYG

[@willjameshamilton6385]

The problem for Mara is that he fires coaches after two years and it's gonna be very hard to get good talent to come. If Dabbol is not the guy, it will be even clearer next year and you won't have the same questions about turnover of coaches.

[@analysis1957]

One good thing currently sitting 3rd is the two teams ahead of the Giants (Jacksonville and Las Vegas) have to play each other so one of them will have 3 wins unless there is a tie. Watching the top five worst teams this weekend they played fairly well except for the Giants so we got a chance. Given the latest injuries it is hard to see where another win is coming from although I am worried about the Eagles game if they have everything locked up. Eagles letting us win the last game would put a cherry on this sh*t show season.

[@timothychandler2779]

Cam Ward has too many fumbles in his college career to feel safe drafting him that high. But I love some of his highlights. Sanders's dad ain't letting him come to NY. Don't matter the market... unless he gets the HC job.

[@analysis1957]

Did you hear the after game comments from Lamar Jackson after the Ravens loss to the Eagles, go listen. Jackson said. “I’m mad. We’re going to get after it. I’m not going to lie to you, we’re going to get after it. I can’t wait for this bye to get on. We got the Giants coming up, I’m ready to go,” he added. I was thinking it couldn't get uglier, think I miscalculated a bit.

[@jyuret370]

Watching the MNF game. Can’t help but think about Ward while I’m watching Winston! Listen… I know he’s flawed. But he’s a leader and a damn dog! Plus he throws a beautiful ball. Has a great arm. Plagued by bad decisions? Sure.. but hey I see a lot of Winston in cams game. Hopefully he’ll grow and make better decisions at the next level. Buttt. Gimme WARD!! What do you guys think?

[@markycecano3017]

It's definitely Porkroll!

[@sclafantasy]

Its pork roll guys come on. Dan, you ever listen to the band Ween? If not I highly recommend…”pork roll, egg and cheese….on a kaiser bun” Lets Go Giants

[@bluesbreaker8]

Oh and the stadium looks like a 60s toaster !

[@jaymitchell-gc8rp]

Nick and Dan were wrong about Nix, he is ROTY

[@timothychandler2779]

Guy likes a tight end - quote of the podcast by Nick

[@kennethperkins964]

Scheon gets credit for nothing he is just as responsible as daboll

[@bruce5402]

Simply, I would fire Dabelbfir all the reasons presented by Dan and Nick in this cast. As far as Scheon is concerned he made 2 serious mistakes concerning Saquon and DJ. DJ...Dabol did design schemes that made DJ succeed. However Schoen should have know better and not resign DJ, much less for this $ amount. Saquon as we can this this year is a topv3 RB, however behind a very poor Giant OL he was useless and should have never had the franchise tag place on him in the first olace. Even though the NFL has moved away from the significance of the RB, it seems RB's have made a contact. Unfortunately 2022 was fools gold. Having said this, I would give Schoen one more year in hopes he hires a proven HC. Thank boys for the great content!!

[@GeekazonMerchHub]

My beef with Schoen is the O-line. His main job IMO was to fix this damn line and what did he do? Whiffed on every single O-line drafted, never sign a legitimate swing tackle and still lack depth across the line. And here we are, the O-line is dogshit again.

[@cooldude7821]

The Oline was average B4 AT went down. Having Neal as your swing tackle was the downfall this year.

[@GeekazonMerchHub]

@cooldude7821 it was average but Thomas wasn't a Schoen pick. Runyan is an average guard, JMS has been looking bad and GVR is a one year guy that is probably on the decline. The only great pick up was Eluemunor but regardless, he had to pay 3 proven players because all of his draft picks have been terrible. And again, no decent swing tackle so when Thomas went down the season was basically over

[@cooldude7821]

@@GeekazonMerchHub Yep. Schoen had to pay free agents because his 3 Oline draft picks are severely underachieving.

[@dewantasneem1464]

Justin Hunter lol😅😅😅😅

[@Mr.Brightside8810]

Come on everyone like, share, comment!

[@timothychandler2779]

Dan and Nick you're telling me you wouldn't consider pick #32 for Andy Reid?

[@bruce5402]

Gentlemen, Schoen got caught between false hope after 22 and 2 major contracts coming due. Certainly, it is easy to look back and say he should not have signed DJ, Barkley was 50/50. I remember telling a fellow Giant fan that we were playing with fools gold. I would not have resigned DJ, but I'm not sure about Barkley, even up to now. I am not unhappy at all that we let Barkley walk( part of the blame falls with Saquon cause a very good contract was offered and he turned down) The rebuild should have been a full one after 22. This way, Schoen would have had his own QB, and he could have kept X. So, I believe Schoen has made some mistakes, but I think he should stay. Dabol should be fired for all the reasons you have mentioned over the last few shows. Oh trade for Lawrence

[@DennisNieves-j7r]

Trade Daboll for a new playbook. Trade Joe Sh, Sch, Ch... For a new scout. Trade the D-Coor, for a DT2.

[@jpstevensVII]

Sanders QB and Sanders HC?? 🤔

[@mikec6733]

Washington released Emmanuel Forbes, the CB they selected before we took Deonte Banks.

[@jameshollister8294]

He got claimed on rams

[@mikec6733]

@jameshollister8294 Thanks.

[@staceykillings4229]

I disagree with the there are no reasons beyond him developing the qb.

[@davemandaro2138]

Lost season , if they end 2-15 How Dabol keep his job 🤔

[@jameshollister8294]

I dont think travis wants to go to jags browns or giants shedur not playing in cold weather because of arm

[@jonathanscheitlin3346]

Congrats on the 84 Dan, great round! And for the record, Nick looked like a dweeb in the old photo 😅

[@bigbluebanter1108]

Appreciate you brother! It was Hendrix, to be fair, which is under 5900 -- but it was also a true 84 which I can't say for everyone I've played with re: how they score their penalties!

[@deandrehuffman2424]

It’s crazy how yall saying Shane drafts class aren’t good but u wouldn’t trade most of his picks away for capital 🤷🏾‍♂️ it’s not a perfect roster but it’s better then a lot of people say it is an I gotta give credit to Shane

[@bigbluebanter1108]

They haven't developed, which could be attributed to coaching beyond Schoen. I agree the roster isn't as putrid as typical two win teams.

[@johnblaze5252]

Darius Slayton is the LAST active Gettleman pick left on the roster. After 3 years the roster is equally as horrible. All the picks & FA signings are entirely on Schoen. So nothing has changed in terms of success or talent on this roster. Best 2 players are not Schoens picks. That’s a very very good indicator of how Schoen has been drafting & building. Not good @ all.

[@Your21Hero]

Saying taylor ham is like calling every cookie an oreo. Taylor ham is pork roll but not all pork roll is taylor ham. Rare bad take.

[@cooldude7821]

Taylor ham sounds better than Canadian bacon.

[@Your21Hero]

@cooldude7821 uh I guess but I've never heard someone say that in my life

[@bluesbreaker8]

To me coach of the year doesn't mean jack shit I mean who decides to hand out this award ? This is the question to ask is this team headlining the right are we better than a few years ago ?

[@EffingGenius]

comment for ratings

[@bloodmafia0026]

Nah it’s pork roll

[@kruunchl8478]

Shoen as GM I can live with (for the moment), but I'm not a fan of Daboll as HC anymore. He's obviously not a leader of men ... the number one trait needed in an HC. While football is the ultimate team sport, even from a management standpoint, The lack of player development, cohesive and disciplined play, and lackluster effort all begins and ends with the HC imo. Here we go again

[@matthews7335]

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[@Coretrsde]

Bro Dan I couldn’t agree more about ketchup it’s disgusting and unhealthy and unnecessary Fuck ketchup 😂

[@Billy-yh3mh]

The ketchup slander is why I'm unsubscribing...😂😂

[@Twiist585]

Shoen let 2 all pro players walk out the door for nothing and haven’t placed a single pro bowler on this roster in 3 years through the draft, free agency or trade. Outside of Dex and AT nobody on the roster has any kind of accolades

[@cooldude7821]

Schoen is a huge part of the problem.

[@the_stoned_investor]

Dan the draft isn’t a crap shoot, there are teams that draft quite well, Kansas City is one of them. That’s not magic or luck, they have something that teams like the Giants don’t. It’s not random luck or happenstance, some teams definitely know what they’re doing.

[@bigbluebanter1108]

I hear you, but even those teams that do it well have stretches where they "draft bad" because there is so much variance re: injuries, luck, etc

[@the_stoned_investor]

@ then drafting bad is the Giants drafting good unfortunately

[@travisdalessandro58]

Dan is the worst kind of golf guy. One that talks about his scores/rounds all the time, and who has basically just started playing and is already shooting mid-80's. Why can't he just struggle for decades like the rest of us?

[@Mato-x6g]

Joe schoen drafted the right players daboll is a horrible coach remember substitutions and depth chart management and play calling are coaching decisions.joe schoen only draft sign and resign players.this disaster is not joe schoen fault.and remember Kafka play calling got the giants in the playoffs in 2022 daboll didn't call plays that year.daboll gets too much credit for that playoffs appearance daboll is overated and is horrible. Daboll struggled with josh allen the the first two seasons daboll only had success with allen when qb coach ken Dorsey came to help josh allen ken dorsey was the true qb whisperer in Buffalo not daboll 💯

[@elithekid01]

The players he drafted suck hope this clarifies things lol

[@Mato-x6g]

@elithekid01 no they don't schoen drafted those players for mike khafka offense khafka was the qb coach/offensive quality coach in Kansas city and helped Kansas city win a superbowl, this wr personnel us similar to the personnel on Kansas city for a reason.daboll ruined schoen and kafka wr personnel by taking over play calling duties from mike khafka daboll ruined kafka offense.daboll needs to be fired

[@elithekid01]

@ schoen hired daboll so if you think thats true then its just another indictment on him. The defensive player and every sinlge oline he drafted mostly suck as well.

[@Mato-x6g]

@elithekid01 no really everyone in the league said daboll was a good head coaching canidate

[@elithekid01]

@ A gm is paid to have that foresight and daboll been objectively better at his job than schoen has at his

[@jameshollister8294]

DABOL is fools 🪙

[@ryanwilliams7454]

Hey guys , Dabol and Joe need to go Joe thinks he is always the smartest person in the room dabol have no accountability for anything, he sucks at play calling and do not know how to use his players, if these two guys are still here this team will be se back another ten years the same shit 💩 as Daniel jones