Gibson Custom Shop quality without the price tag? - Epiphone Inspired 1963 Firebird I & V

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[@Jackryan229]

Pricing is certainly inspired by Gibson

[@thesameeffect]

Hahaha this crap is crazy man. You can get Gibson for just a little more. Epiphone is crazy for charging this much for an import guitar esp China. Wow

[@stevenadolna]

😂

[@Namor_G]

jajajajaja

[@aperezdeal]

I think the plan is to eliminate the cheaper Gibsons. Second hand market don’t fail me now!

[@BlueberryStinkFinger62]

Sorry to see you can't afford epiphones but lying about epiphone gets you nowhere

[@kentpierce9910]

Finally. A demo where the guy isn't trying to make the rest of us think we suck. This what the guitar would sound like if I played it. Well done. Thanks.

[@6oundStudio]

one of the coolest gibson specs for me is actually a nitro finish. in fact it's the only thing I'd considered a gibson for

[@frankenstein4106]

It's great that Gibson is making original Firebird pickups, but that price? I'm glad I have a standard Epiphone Firebird, and just bought a Firebird Plus pickup to put in the bridge.

[@trevor4533]

$1700 and still rocking the Indian Laurel... yikes.

[@brunoantony9257]

right, how much would indian rosewood cost? Another $20 maybe? Even $500 PRS SE models have indian rosewood.

[@trevor4533]

@@brunoantony9257 I think it has something to do with these being made in China. Just another reason why these "Inspired by Custom shop" models should be made elsewhere.

[@freezeframeplease]

@@brunoantony9257 and feels better tbh. Bought a epi LP '59 and send it back cuz it felt so lackluster. Got a PRE SE 594, and the difference is abysmal

[@thesameeffect]

Unreal

[@rkharper]

​@@brunoantony9257 in that amount they use, it most certainly wouldn't be more than single digit. Greedy af.

[@Jizzo75]

Great playing!!

[@johnlawrence3170]

Lack of nitro or rosewood doesn't really bother me. But for this price I think it would be nice if they could do final fretwork and setup at the Gibson US factory. If these were shipped to Nashville and then given a PLEK treatment I would call the cost fair, but I don't think an instrument of this price out of China should have anything short of phenomenal frets and shaping / cutting of the nut + final setup.

[@buckbumble]

Sad I will not be getting one of these due to the insane price.

[@MoeVanprick]

That's okay many of us including me will

[@auntjenifer7774]

​@@MoeVanprick😂 That's insane to pay $2,000 after tax for an Epiphone.

[@MoeVanprick]

@@auntjenifer7774 no it's not not to us who can afford them epiphone is legendary so just because you can't afford a Epiphone or Gibson doesn't mean no one else can i can buy both I have both 2021 high end Epiphones and two Gibson.. maybe you might want to stick with Harley Benton or firefly

[@auntjenifer7774]

@MoeVanprick nice name, hard to take you seriously with it though.

[@auntjenifer7774]

@MoeVanprick nice name, hard to take you seriously with it though.

[@Foreskan]

What’s crazy about this release is that the prior Epiphone Firebird was like $950CAD. We have the Olive Drab version here too for the same price. I saw the teasing for these models and thought the Frost Blue would be in that new “Inspired by Gibson” $1700CAD-$1800CAD area. This puts it above the ESP LTD Phoenix models and the LTD’s have arguably better specs nearly all-around.

[@I.am_Groot]

Lots of guitars in the $1200-1500 range with similar specs. I'm not buying this Epiphone but if Gibson gets $5000+ for their version $900 is not where Epi is coming in

[@stratmagic6893]

Laurel fretboard is a deal breaker for me.

[@TheFman43]

that sucks!! gotta be rosewood even with added cost!!

[@auntjenifer7774]

😂 I just got a Dean Cadillac flame top with real Indian rosewood fretboard for $350 and it's way way better than any of the Epiphone factory guitars. India has really high grade wood and craftsmanship far beyond Epiphone! 😂Shit, the Made in Indonesia Dean guitars are better than Gibson usa by a long shot ! Plus you get all top grade parts and really high grade ebony fretboard that is perfectly straight 👌 😅

[@BlueberryStinkFinger62]

​​@@auntjenifer7774and you're delusional laughable your dean isn't anywhere near high end like the Epiphones I suggest you research epiphone before you say anything else and next time want to tell a very untrue fairytale make sure it's something we can't check on😂😂😅😅

[@the92project]

For what is worth, I have laurel on my CV Squiers and rosewood and ebony on my other more expensive guitars, and I can’t say anything negative about Laurel. The one I got is quite dark too so it looks nearly identical to rosewood. No clue what the anti-laurel thing is about.

[@auntjenifer7774]

@@the92project I have a classic vibe with Laurel fretboard and it's like sand paper compared to ebony or even rosewood. That's my experience and many others experience as well, that's why they're hating on the Indian Laurel fretboard.

[@elvee7851]

Maybe it's just me, but I think those guitars sound horrible through that amp - very harsh and totally lacking warmth. The distortion sounds really ratty.

[@joshuawilling6942]

Yep I would have liked to hear some clean tones

[@thomasjames724]

Yes, sounds awful.😂

[@user-qn1tw4nk1e]

​@@thomasjames724always sounds awful to the ones who can't afford epiphones or Gibson..

[@RamirezFlores]

It’s because those aren’t authentic firebird pickups. These are Alnico 5 magnets, not the Alnico 2 bar magnets that are the classic firebird sound. That and a poly coat instead of nitro and Indian Laurel instead of Rosewood? For those reasons, I’m out

[@user-qn1tw4nk1e]

@@RamirezFlores that's okay epiphone and Les Paul are the sole and only reason why the Gibson Les Paul even exists today..and we all know it now..😁

[@the92project]

Pretty guitar but that pricing is atrocious. Pass

[@BlueberryStinkFinger62]

Only to someone who cant afford them

[@psychonym666]

Great Review!!! And plain and simple,because you play them with heat!!! I hate all those reviews,where the presentator plays smooth jazz Chords on a low level without any distortion...I want to hear a guitar screaming, cos that`s my Sound! SAnd now I have the right imagination how the F Bird V can Sound! So thanks for that! Keep going!

[@Myfingersstinklikefish]

Hey people to much bs being posted no truth all speculation assuming... here's the specs of a Epiphone 5 years ago and this model is now a collectors Epiphone in 2024 it the 2019 Epiphone exclusive deluxe limited run Sg Pro..read the specs it was built the same exact same way as the Kalamazoo Gibson 1961 Sg... there you have it....The Epiphone G-400 Exclusive Deluxe PRO Electric Guitar is modeled after the original 1960s classic "SG" (Solid Guitar) and features a AAA Flame Maple Veneer top, Alnico Classic PRO humbuckers with push/pull coil-splitting, and Wilkinson Vintage Classic Machine Heads. Classic 60s Era "Solid Guitar" The G-400 Deluxe PRO is inspired by the first generation of SGs made in the 1960s at the legendary Gibson and Epiphone factory in Kalamazoo, Michigan that produced the Les Paul and the Casino. The SG model was originally intended to replace the Les Paul, which temporarily went out of production from 1961-1968. The new G-400 Deluxe PRO is constructed using the same dimensions and build techniques as vintage SGs and features a AAA Flame Maple Veneer top with a Mahogany body and neck with a comfortable 1960's SlimTaper 'D' profile and a 24.75" scale length. The Pau Ferro fingerboard has single ply binding with pearloid Trapezoid inlays, 22 medium jumbo frets, a 12" radius, and an adjustable truss rod with a 'bell' cover. Alnico Classic PRO Humbuckers with Coil Splitting The G-400 Deluxe PRO is powered by Alnico Classic PRO humbuckers made with Alnico-V magnets, which produce a slightly higher output especially in the mid and highs. Each pickup has it own Volume and Tone control with full-size potentiometers along with Epiphone's rugged, all-metal, 3-way toggle pickup selector switch for long-lasting performance. Both pickups are also wired for coil-tapping. By pulling up the pickup's volume knob, the humbucker will switch become a "single-coil" pickup, allowing players an infinite variety of tones from single-coil bark to full humbucker bite. When winding humbuckers, Epiphone utilizes a double vacuum waxing process that ensures quiet operation free from microphonic hum. The pickup is first placed in the specialized wax vacuuming system before the cover is placed on the unit to ensure that the wax fully penetrates to the very center of the pickup and solidifies all parts. After the cover is placed on, it is again given a second vacuum wax bath until the unit is completely saturated with wax. Epiphone also uses high quality ABS plastic bobbins, 1010 Cold Rolled Steel pole shoes and pole screws, the finest magnet wire available. Solid Epiphone Hardware The G-400 Deluxe PRO features gold hardware on the Honeyburst, Trans Blue, and Trans Red color finishes and all G-400 Deluxe PROs come with a LockTone bridge and Stopbar tailpiece for incredible sustain as well as Wilkinson Vintage Classic Machine Heads with a 18:1 turning ratio.

[@BlueberryStinkFinger62]

Nothing cheap about that guitar that high end build

[@FrankBuyers...guitarista-iu3zg]

Been looking for this model epiphone over 3 years now

[@Myfingersstinklikefish]

"Epiphone will always be Gibson's older brother, and its history is perhaps the most interesting of any guitar brand": Celebrating 150 years of Epiphone from luxury

[@gabrielcarvalhogarcia6294]

I think that the 1963 firebird I model is extremely expensive, the 2020 inspired by gibson firebird is a great guitar with almost the same specs except for the gibson pickup (but there are two pickups in the cheaper model) and the headstock/tuners. The Price in the 1700$ model is more reasonable in comparison to the price of a "core" firebird with the same features, but still full of questionable things like indian laurel in the fretboard, i own the 2020 epiphone firebird, it plays great, but i would expect something better at this price point. I think that it would be better if they launched more colors of the 2020 model and a maestro vibrola option at a reasonable price point

[@srh361]

LMFAO at those prices! Especially with laurel fretboard.

[@user-qn1tw4nk1e]

Laural wood is used on very expensive instruments so Tell what you found so funny? a valid answer

[@aperezdeal]

@user-qn1tw4nk1e Nicer examples that are properly dried/ aged and stored from the more desirable cuts of the tree, this is the bottom of the barrel left overs

[@MoeVanprick]

​​@@aperezdealstill doesn't answer the question because you can't lying doesn't cut it not in 2024

[@aperezdeal]

MoeVanprick What question? They are using lesser/ lower quality woods and charging a premium. They can do what they want, it’s a luxury item like any instrument but I can understand people not wanting to pay a premium for something the general population deems inferior. Whatever market research determined that these would sell well enough to make what ever projected revenue. They and all companies will continue to push the price envelope. “Pay more get less, don’t like it? Get lost” type attitude.

[@MoeVanprick]

@@aperezdeal no they are not do you realize how easy it is by research to prove your lying? Epiphone was restored back to high end guitars in 2019 buddy by JC Curliegh your 5 years behind this is the problem with you people you speculating Assuming and lying it's not cutting it buddy not in 2024

[@derekhand7904]

I bought one it’s awesome

[@kevinfitzpatrick8088]

Ill stick with the previous version for 650. US. only difference is headstock and tuners..

[@MoeVanprick]

All these people complaining are the ones who can't afford epiphones or Gibson so they try to make themselves feel better by lying and false information its not working people lying about epiphone only gets you caught

[@xMaoxoaMx]

Ok Mr. Epiphone Employee

[@MoeVanprick]

@@xMaoxoaMx sucks when your made to look foolish doesn't it..Mr. Epiphone employee? No I have been playing guitar 51 years epiphone and fenders..I also worked for sigma sound studio in Philadelphia and I have vintage Epiphones before Norlin ruined them and now 2021 high end Epiphones after JC Curliegh Restored them back...hey do you realize the vintage Epiphones cost much more than vintage Gibsons they sure do .so know what you're talking about before you open your mouth

[@HardJello357]

Chicago blue would've been a nice touch instead of the frost blue. Prices are a little high. Ebony frets would've been nice. If you use Sweetwater, you can get the plek system for 300. So it's 2 grand now. But they're still worth it IMHO. All original Gibson psrts in a Epi body. Sounds nice.

[@stratosexual1329]

No rosewood finger board, no nitro, $1300 and $1700? If it had rosewood and nitro maybe $1100. $1700 for epiphone?

[@brianwood7237]

Yep... it's just for the young kids that don't know any better and just shop with their eyes

[@RobertNolan]

Get a Greco FB-60 instead.

[@thesameeffect]

Correct. This is insane! They’ve improved their quality but still!! No way

[@MoeVanprick]

​@@thesameeffectthat's only because you can't afford epiphones

[@darthdurkelthewise320]

The whole CS “collab” is merely a scan of a 63’. Nothing wrong with that but we’re missing how that makes this guitar worth this asking price! It’s basically a non signature Joe B. production Firebird except the Joe B. gets the rosewood board! I hate to bitch but for this asking price it absolutely should have a rosewood board at least. You can literally buy the Gibson U.S.A. Studio version for $1,500 all day long. This is bittersweet IMO unfortunately. Great looking guitar but stop charging premium prices for upgrades that players can do themselves!!

[@alexisromero9569]

However the studio its not neck-through. I really love the looks, but maybe a used Gibson Firebird standard should be the answer

[@user-qn1tw4nk1e]

No back in 2019 JC Curliegh Restored Epiphone back to where they should have always been 5 years ago so where have you been? You obviously don't have a clue you're posting proves it

[@Myfingersstinklikefish]

I paid $650.00 for on the used market back in 2022..its relatively hard to find in honey burst color and when it does Pop up its gone very fast

[@booshting3520]

$399 is where it belongs. Used I'd say $250 tops

[@user-qn1tw4nk1e]

The great legendary Epiphone 👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@booshting3520]

The budget Gibson copy brand, EPIPHONE!!! 😆

[@Myfingersstinklikefish]

Epiphone returned people back to high end guitars by JC Curliegh in 2019 epiphone was never meant to be a budget brand in the first place and they weren't until Norlin ruined them when they took over Gibson..that ended with JC Curliegh Restored Epiphone in 2019 also no les Paul and Epiphone the Gibson Les Paul solid body guitar wouldn't even exist today a historic fact..start researching before you open your mouth..

[@_guitar_dad]

You think it's bad over there in the States, here in Australia ,the Firebird with the vibrola sets you back $3399. An Epiphone with a laurel fingerboard 😂😂😂. Its a fucking joke. Great playing btw mate 💪💪

[@johnsmith-oh2xo]

There trapezoid inlay's not block they would be on like a Les Paul custom.....

[@johnladd5016]

OK so really... what is the difference between this one and the one that costs 650? Don't get me wrong, this sounds great. But it costs too much. What does this have that the 650 one doesn't?

[@kylepatterson8445]

That's nuts on the price. Pickups shouldn't add 1K onto the price. Maybe there are some other features here, but it's still a lot. Just get last years Epiphone and put some better pickups in it, replace the bridge if you must, and maybe take it to a tech for a perfect setup. You will have 99% of what this guitar is offering for a lot less. Also I just don't trust Epiphone quality control. They can say that it's custom shop all they want and put a crazy price on it, but we have all played way to many dogs from Epiphone. I've def played a few that were special, but it's something you have to find in person. I don't think I would trust one brand new and certainly not for that price. And yea, no rosewood? For the price of an American Pro Fender? Seriously?

[@trevor4533]

Someone broke down the cost of the hardware, not saying I agree these are appropriately priced, but here it is. Banjo style tuners $200 Gibson Firebird pickups cost $129 each Epiphone case $130 Maestro trem $200 So not accounting installation, correct headstock etc, that's about $800 in hardware and accessories. For the fb i, its more like ~$460. I don't wanna say its like putting lipstick on a turd, because I'm sure these are still decent guitars at the end of the day, but c'mon. You're into new Gibson territory at this point... The FB i should have been $999 and the V $1399 max. And Even at those prices, I can't imagine many of these selling.

[@goatlordzzz666]

Laurel fretboard at that price? Yikes.

[@BlueberryStinkFinger62]

Laural wood is used on very expensive instruments

[@Myfingersstinklikefish]

I have a 2021 Epiphone custom koa Les Paul all high end electronics hardware and build..and i have 2 limited edition modern figured Sgs also high end electronics hardware and build all 3 models have been recently discontinued and on sale what's left of them and its not many left.. all 3 of them will will go up in value and price on the used market..i wouldn't have it any other way..

[@aperezdeal]

Dancing with myself…oh oh dancing with myself…

[@user-qn1tw4nk1e]

​@@aperezdealbeats playing with myself like you do look at your post you may want to slow down it's effecting your thinking 🤔

[@booshting3520]

Looks like a piece of 70s furniture. CHYNA!!!

[@RevivalontheHudson]

meh the regular Epiphone Firebird is a much better deal at $650 and sounds just as good if not better imho

[@not-so-great-oldone9780]

Yep, I just got one, Firebird sound, feel, tone, sustain, versatility and great price.

[@JaimeCerrada]

As I said before: It's a shame that all of this "youtubers" or big "youtube channels" are normalizing Epiphones (made in china/indonesia) for 1000€, 1300€, 1500€ and much more (1800€ the vibrola model). The same model that previously cost around 600€ now it costs the double or more for a few minor changes... and all of you trying to justify the ridiculously high price. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

[@waltgracevintage8620]

Hey Jaime we’re sorry our video made you so upset. Just to clarify we’re a dealer that advertises products through our KZbin channel. The prices of these products are dictated by the companies that make them, not us. Our mission is only to showcase the products we sell and what they can do. And there’s nothing shameful in that. Gibson and Epiphone are some of the many brands we carry. If you’re unhappy with their offerings , then we encourage you to browse through the rest of our catalog at www.waltgracevintage.com where you can find many more brands to choose from. Thank you, and remember not to shoot the messenger!

[@JaimeCerrada]

@@waltgracevintage8620 Thank you so much for your reply. I totally understand what are you explaining and I am so sorry if my post was taken as a personal. I only intend to vindicate the fact that many channels are starting to normalise these unjustified prices just for "the same old model".

[@the92project]

@@JaimeCerrada you are right dude. It is shameful when KZbinrs try to sell these guitars with hyperbolic statements like “it feels like I’m playing an old Gibson” 🫣

[@FrankBuyers...guitarista-iu3zg]

Hey pal just think if you actually research epiphone you would find out the Quindoa epiphone facility is completely American owned and operated Scott Lewis is the facility manager along with American and Asian luthiers..you grace owes you No apology you owe yourself to research before you say anything

[@FrankBuyers...guitarista-iu3zg]

​@@waltgracevintage8620you owe this guy nothing if he would have done research he would have seen the Quindoa epiphone facility is completely American owned and operated with facility manager Scott Lewis and American and Asian luthiers..

[@johnmills7143]

Epiphone is on crack with that price tag. What a shame!

[@century2077]

Its still an epiphone for 1400:00 to 1500:00 dollars. Every youtuber is trying to sell the price as normal now and days but really. i understand the hike but really, not that much.

[@user-qn1tw4nk1e]

Look up epiphone history little fella I really suggest you research first before you open your mouth

[@bryancollins6796]

That's Firebird

[@danpritchett5617]

I'm sure they'll sell some. But they won't be selling one to me. Too pricey.

[@bryancollins6796]

Gibson does not currently do a USA Epiphone, but that's what this is without the nitro and the logo.

[@koryb.1112]

And you know, the fact that it’s made in China

[@trevor4533]

They do actually. They're about $3k-5k. These things don't even compare to them.

[@LuisJimenez-pb3ge]

That price 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@nigellacey559]

Custom shop quality with a laurel fretboard?

[@richardwhite9682]

You can get a much better sounding PRS for less.

[@bradschutz9401]

Damn... I just told my gf I'm done buying guitars for a while 🙃

[@jthatcher962]

"A while" is vague. Watching this video took a while. You see my point?😊

[@thesameeffect]

lol save a couple more bucks and you’d probably find a great Gibson guitar. Granted Gibson firebird reissues are a lot but these prices are way way too much for Epiphones

[@roosky203]

Ill take an LTD Pheonix

[@MoeVanprick]

Me I'll stay with the legendary Epiphone

[@roosky203]

@@MoeVanprick I like both brands, but one gives you better specs for less money and not Chinese, so I vote with my wallet

[@MoeVanprick]

@@roosky203 first off the Quindoa epiphone facility is completely American owned and operated Scott Lewis is the facility manager along with American and Asian luthiers..tell me do you research first before you say anything? Obviously not speculation assumptions and lying doesn't cut it

[@trevor4533]

@@MoeVanprick Hey Frank/Eddie/Moe, can you do me a favor and type something real quick? "Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the pooh"

[@MoeVanprick]

​@@trevor4533hey how's feel to continue to stick your foot in mouth Everytime you open it? just because you can't afford epiphones and Gibson doesn't give you the right to lie about them all that does is get you caught in your own lies 🤣😅😅

[@richardwhite9682]

Hard to judge a guitar's potential if you don't demo clean tones. Priced well outside most people's budget as well. This feels overhyped to me.

[@Coolbeans1492]

What pisses me of isnt even the price. Its that gibson keeps moving their prices up pushing the guitars out of the hands of actual people. Like a new lp standard is touching 4k cad. Firebirds are just forget abt it even used. The fact that an lp junior is going for 2200 cad new is a fkn joke. It was once possible to get a whole lp which is the benchmark for gibson prices for that money or less. Dont even get me started on custom shop. This new regime cant go bankrupt fast enough. And for this kind of money put some rosewood on it. Fender is doing it in Mexico for less. They are trying to replace the standard Gibson line w this but wont build them w rosewood. They want the gibson line to be like custom shop prices and custom shop guitars are meant to be unobtainable at this point. While i like this guitar the issues around it are too much. Gretsch makes some great stuff over in japan too.

[@thesameeffect]

Hell no! Not for something made in China. When did overseas guitars get so crazy expensive? But of course Andertons and other KZbin guitarists are going to get sponsored to talk people into buying them and that’s when Epiphone “custom shop” will be over $1500 per guitar. They should start building in Japan again just for these inspired by Gibson custom lines and then I would 100 percent support the prices. Other than that…pass

[@aperezdeal]

Going off of Yamaha made in Japan guitars that would raise the consumer cost to $2,500 USD give or take. Once the skill level improves they switch country of origin to avoid having to pay for more experienced labor, a tale as old as time.

[@xx_HI_xx7]

If Gibson could just focus more on their other non les paul guitars, offer more color options at an affordable price would be the push they need to reach younger audiences. Unfortunately they won't do this since every owner seems to be in the "become a rock god" mindset and just continues the same boring thing or constantly make signatures at ungodly prices for the wealthy.

[@freezeframeplease]

epiphone used to be an affordable guitar maker. what the hell happened ?

[@BlueberryStinkFinger62]

The went back to where they were in the good o'l days

[@drewbongiorno]

Nope…

[@hollywoodjoe3259]

Prices getting way to high for epi. Resell is less than 1/2 of that. No thanks

[@fabieneldridge3414]

Love them but to pricey !

[@thefilmandmusic]

Pricing ridiculous

[@BlueberryStinkFinger62]

Only because you can't afford it I and many others can and no it's not ridiculous it's just right

[@thefilmandmusic]

@@BlueberryStinkFinger62 lol,,, you couldn’t be more wrong ….

[@LarrytheMan-uc4ev]

​@@thefilmandmusicno you can't afford one or could you afford a Gibson go buy and play you're firefly or Harley Benton guitars🤣😂🤣😂

[@FrankBuyers...guitarista-iu3zg]

No it's not ridiculous it's only ridiculous to the ones who can't afford Epiphones people say the same thing about Gibson and the reason is that they can't afford them

[@booshting3520]

@FrankBuyers...guitarista-iu3zg You're bragging about owning budget copies of Gibson guitars, that's wild, boy 😆

[@LewisShieldsUS]

Reading the negativity in the comments is a thing. Absolutely in love with this Bird. Components Construction Case. For 2k Gibson gets you less guitar in a bag.

[@Namor_G]

man, when you have at home 4 gibson hard cases you realize is an stupid gadget that weight 5 kg .... far way better a mono bag.... case for me is not a deal for the price.... all new Epiphone guitars in 700$ have cts electronics.... construction is the same of the 700$ epiphone and woods now are even worst with laurel fretboard instead of ebony in a custom lespaul epi or indian rosewood.... what do you like on this guitar, the shape? you have the same shape and woods for 600$ in the previous version, cts electronics and you can buy pickups for 300$... still 1000$ difference..... for the color and the hard case?

[@LewisShieldsUS]

@@Namor_G textbook net bully. Ain't Army. Ain't Texas. Ain't right.

[@trevor4533]

@@LewisShieldsUS No bullying going on here. Why can't you Answer Roman's questions?

[@LewisShieldsUS]

@@trevor4533 "Your opinion is stupid. You should have my opinion because it's better" is textbook bullying. I like what I like. Take your negs elsewhere and get your hate off me.

[@trevor4533]

@@LewisShieldsUS ...That isn't how quotation marks work lol. And again, no bullying going on here. If anything, your hostile behavior towards those politely disagreeing with you is bullying. If you interpreted Roman's comment as such, that is on you. To me, he's sharing genuine concerns on why you feel this guitar is worth $2k. So again, why can't you answer Roman's questions? edit: oh yeah by the way. $2k Gibsons get you a hardshell case. I don't know why the SG standard doesn't have one at $1799, while the LP and SG specials at the same price and $100 less include one, but here we are... These are cool guitars, but lets be realistic here. Your money obviously will go much further with a Gibson at these prices. New or used.

[@lawlaw1]

MADE IN CHINA....NO!!

[@ldf399]

That amp sounds awful.

[@Mr.D34]

That amp seriously sounds awful.

[@FortessofShred]

Overpriced firewood. Just like a Gibson 😂😂😂😂😂