Gift of Gab: This spell nobody uses is cool.

[@2lazyt378]

I find it funny how two villainous characters would pull lethal pranks on each other knowing full well they each have a plan to come back.

[@MrMaradok]

I can just imagine two brothers, each of which found a different method of immortality, that just bicker back and forth from two sides of the city’s underbelly for eternity.

[@jalensailin]

@@MrMaradok if you've ever watched the Chilling Adventures of Sabrina (the new sabrina the teenage witch series), the aunties do this!

[@badideagenerator2315]

@shadows2468 a team fortress 2 inspired evil campaign where you're mercenaries working for a lich, who wants you to destroy his lich brother's stuff would be great, the DM would have to create rivals for the party. Eventually its revealed that there's a 3rd lich brother with an army of undead who is effectively the campaign's bbeg, forcing the party and their rivals to team up, but eventually lose, with both their employer's phylacterys being destroyed. The party is then hired by a 4th lich, who wants them to fix her phylactery. It turns out that the bbeg is also having the same issues with his phylactery, putting the 2 in a race to acquire the resources needed to repair them. The bbeg hires a band of old mercenaries to compete against the party, the leader of these mercenaries hijacks the bbeg's phylactery and attains lichdom, forcing the party to fight him.

[@puppetpal2290]

Book club, they probably copy each other's spells and duck with their cloning chambers for laughs

[@scribblerstudios9895]

​@@badideagenerator2315 can I nick this perhaps?

[@Lightmagician60]

Pros to silence * can't cast spells * you can screw someone over mid convo * animators don't have to make bone craking sounds

[@HBStone]

It's like an old school horror movie, the silence made it even more gruesome.

[@MrSoup-zs4rd]

Can't cast verbal spells, Mind Spike is a great final fuck-you to a villain who thinks that Silencing the party will make their Teleport exit a flawless departure. Never fails to surprise the DM when you say "Somatic component only".

[@DemonicEngineer]

"This isn't my clone room" has got to be one of the most ominous things to realise

[@zoelio999]

Somebody must have found his main stash and smashed all the other jars!

[@DemonicEngineer]

@@zoelio999 Or someone stole one of his clone jars and put it in their own room. Either way, he stole their magic pot, so it's all good in the end.

[@LocalMaple]

It’s the return of Trevorrrr. ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ And Ghost Pig.

[@stentor1980]

@@LocalMaple Nobody helps out like Ghost Pig!

[@DemonicEngineer]

@@LocalMaple The magic pot probably belongs to Ghost Pig then. I can't imagine Trevor smoking that stuff.

[@TheKingsPride]

If you start and interaction with “hey, Altruicious:” prepare to be put down. That guy does not fuck around.

[@AppleBiscuits]

Unless you have access to 1 or more instances of Flaming Sphere.

[@QuestionableObject]

@@AppleBiscuits And a dummy thicc opportunity attacker.

[@leandersearle5094]

"Hey Altruicious, You want some ice cream?"

[@leandersearle5094]

@Nick Figures.

[@johntheherbalistg8756]

The fact that the big brother totally knew what he did, and already had something in his back pocket for it 😂

[@Snickersnek]

Go to everyone in a murder-mystery, "It was YOU who killed him!" keep reversing until you find someone who replies "How did you know!?"

[@bluewarbler9034]

"I didn't! That was a joke too!"

[@matthewfanous8468]

*BURRRRRPPP* "I didn't!"

[@TheGregamonster]

The killer wouldn't respond with "How did you know?" They would laugh at you for making a baseless accusation.

[@weezact7]

@@TheGregamonster Depends. Given the way the spell works, each target would believe you only questioned one person because you'd keep replacing your accusation with something innocuous. So, to the perspective of the killer, you were monologuing about something else then accused them out of the blue. If the person can keep their cool, yes, they might play it off as a baseless accusation, but when you KNOW someone is trying to figure you out and they seem to effortlessly deduce your guilt, that can be pretty rattling. I'm not sure if you'd say "How did you know?", but you might be caught off guard enough to give away some good visual or audio clues.

[@azealot-aka-azz]

​@@weezact7 Do keep in mind though that everyone who can hear you has to be 5ft away.

[@foxskirata]

The elder McGenk, watching the younger silently getting folded like a Waterdhavian omelette: "We have fun indeed...!"

[@magmat0585]

he knew something was up and was having none of it

[@greenrena8503]

@@magmat0585 Oh, he actually had just enough of it. Front row seat, only needs some popcorn! But then again he was in the splash zone.

[@Drekromancer]

The migrating clone jars could actually be a fascinating plot hook. Like, this is how you could hook your high-level player into a brand new thread: Suddenly, as they emerge wet and naked from their canopic jar, the PC sees an ancient Bronze dragon looming over them. "Negotiation," the dragon growls.

[@KanuckStreams]

PC: "Well, I feel like this negotiation has started with a definite lean on the power balance. Perhaps we can begin with providing me some clothes or a sheepskin so I can stop dripping on your floor while we have our discussion?"

[@Tiyev]

Meanwhile, the other players are rolling up new characters, I guess.

[@Emily12471]

@@Tiyev nah they are probably trying to find their missing party member who didn't show up to a planned group meeting or something cause they were in a dragons hoard

[@TextualDeviant]

"If you have my canopic jar, I can assume you have every single other item in my possession. Only, half of them are cursed and the other half were cursed by me, so that sounds like a good place to begin."

[@Runescythe9852]

I could imagine a spell like this being pretty useful during sessions where interrogations may come into play. Being able to backpedal on certain areas to lead a conversation to the desired outcome. Granted, that is highly dependent from moment to moment, but I could see it being used still.

[@timetraveler_from_2012]

"Hi what's your name?" "Jim." *Gift of Gab* "Hello Jim." "How did you know my name?" "I know lots of things, Jim."

[@Runescythe9852]

@@timetraveler_from_2012 Exactly this ^

[@mitchellslate1249]

"Salutations!" "Hello!" "You poisoned the king, and we know it!" "How dare you! GUA-" "Salutations!" "Good Morning!" "The poison was Blackspielnd!" "What was?" "Salutations!" "Greetings..." "Lord Jhioere has commanded you undo the poison, now!" "Wait, you know?! He told me to do what!?" "And he said the Prince Rewbdiout must be released and moved to the oxcart behind the east-westling corridor." "But we dont have the Prince...Hey!-" "Salutations!"...

[@tiggerbiggo]

Imagine an interrogation where the interrogators walk in, stare intently at you for about half an hour in complete silence, then they walk out having gathered every single bit of info they needed

[@Drekromancer]

@@tiggerbiggo That's horrifying. I love it. 😁 Just imagine an NPC who developed this reputation, too. You could introduce him as some strange, mysterious threat - as though he were a straight-up mind-reader. Rumors would spread about the source of his unholy power - the power to get information out of the best liars and diplomats in the world. Nobody knows how he does it, but he gets more information than the best spies and torturers in the land. That leads the public to suspect that what he does is worse than torture. People would be terrified of him - ESPECIALLY powerful people with something to hide. He could make quite a name for himself that way.

[@animeotaku22]

I had an idea to play a Fey Bard with the criminal background, the idea was that this Fey used Fey magic to create binding contracts with people, and since Fey cannot lie, everything in the contract (at least on the Fey's end) would be true to the letter. Since my character cannot willingly tell a lie, when seeing this, I just had the thought that Gift of Gab could be used in so many ways by my potential character to stay within the bounds of telling the truth but also be able to hide information away from people. For example: I'm talking to a guard and they go "state your business" and I go "I have an invitation from the lord, I'm to meet him here to discuss some things." and he goes "Is that everything?" and I go "Yes, that is my business (but it is not everything) [May I go in now?]" - By replacing the Parenthesis with the Brackets I can effectively hide information while still telling the truth, as long as I'm clever in how I use it.

[@ooccttoo]

The way I interpret it, it's a way to test situations without repercussions. So you could say "The truth is, I'm in love with you" to your crush and if they cringe then you can cast the spell and say something like "The truth is, I'm glad we're friends". Or you could say a secret passphrase to someone you suspect to be a fellow spy and if they look at you confusedly you can take it back without blowing your cover.

[@CrizzyEyes]

There was a super OP minor psychic power in Dark Heresy that made someone forget the last 2 minutes of what happened. It was my first time playing the game when I played that psyker, but even then I knew that sounded ridiculously good.

[@KingZolem]

I like that he disclosed his relationship with AcInc. Shows a lot of integrity and journalistic transparency. Really admirable.

[@Zedrinbot]

"When you cast this spell, you skillfully reshape the memories of listeners in your immediate area, so that each creature of your choice within 5 feet of you forgets everything you said within the last 6 seconds. Those creatures then remember that you actually said the words you speak as the verbal component of the spell." I think it more just extends the memory of the revised line, or maybe it feels like an auditory processing disorder symptom. Our perception of time isn't really ever consistent so that'd be a pretty easy thing to explain.

[@dielfonelletab8711]

human brains are extremely good at resolving inconsistencies in the raw sense data that they process in a way that you don't even notice most of the time. i assume other fantasy races have similar cognitive capacities (or deficiencies!)

[@Drekromancer]

@@dielfonelletab8711 Well said! I wonder whether there's more room for some spells that target other inconsistencies in humanoid cognition.

[@kellynolen498]

@@Drekromancer there may be some hidden fail condition realistically like people stick to being mad at you because they they don't want to admit that they reacted wrong or sometime you can't remember exactly what happened but you do remember that you are intelligent and weren't mentally unstable so you can guess why you would act like that and work backwards (only works if you are confident you haven't changed mentally or personality wise since then and you aren't delusional yourself Which you aren't qualified to tell for yourself) Basically there's a small chance it won't work coincidentally or there super intelligent wizard

[@weezact7]

Yeah, based on his description in the video (I haven't read the actual description), I assumed the subject(s) just remember you saying the one thing and recall it being only 6 seconds instead of 12. Maybe they remember a little dead air or awkward silence in there, but nothing significant enough to warrant suspicion. Honestly, think back to even your most RECENT conversation with someone. Chances are, you don't remember exactly what they said word for word. You might recall the general intent of what they said, but unless it was something really profound or impactful, the specifics are probably lost and there's things you've probably glossed over. Hell, THEY might not remember everything they said to you. I would imagine this just creates that effect, but accelerated.

[@weezact7]

@@kellynolen498 I don't know. 6 seconds isn't really long enough for something like anger at an insult to really set in as a "habit". Heck, sometimes people don't even process what you've said enough to REACT within 6 seconds. I'd think if you removed the reason for their anger after such a short duration, they'd either forget the anger entirely, or see it as some sort of passing emotional flash. MAYBE upon later reflection, they might get suspicious, but I don't think they would immediately unless they literally stopped everything they were doing to analyze it. If you keep the conversation moving, I doubt they'd have the time to dwell on it enough.

[@icevlad148]

I rule that the spell sentence simply replaces previous one in target's minds. Like they forget that you said anything in that 6 second period, or forget that that 6 second period even happened.

[@MINIMAN10000]

I imagine it as the words in that span of 6 seconds becomes lost from memory and the latter words end up being believed what filled that void of time in conversation. You couldn't say they forget that those 6 seconds ever happen because that could be abused to do something in those 6 seconds without repercussion through other senses unrelated to verbal communication alone.

[@terminalyuppie611]

The usage of Silence was too good. Amazing vid as always.

[@TaylorTheOtter]

So here's a fun one: cast suggestion on someone and then change the suggestion using gift of gab. The rules seem to indicate they'll do the suggestion but remember you saying something else.

[@jakubguziur7522]

THIS. Whenever you need to cast a verbal spell on someone from short distance and aren't a sorcerer with Subtle spell, you can cast this right afterwards to cover it up.

[@MetaKaios]

@@jakubguziur7522 Mm, I'm not so sure it can be used to change the memory of a verbal spell component. The trigger listed in GoG's casting time is "when you speak to another creature", and verbal spell components are spoken to the Weave rather than to another creature.

[@XperimentorEES]

That's an amazing idea, but why stop at suggestion? Geas lasts significantly longer; then there's the domination spells which allow full control. Zone of truth could allow you to sneakily interrogate more questionable characters without them knowing it. Antipathy & Sympathy would just be for the laughs though, subtly cursing someone in town to cause pandemonium.

[@MrSlothJunior]

@@XperimentorEES The cool thing with the Suggestion idea is that you can completely gaslight the victim. They could know you used Suggestion on them, but they could think you suggested them to for example "Do the right thing.". So when they shortly after kill the king, they may in fact blame themselves and not you. Using it with Geas could work in a similar way with a bit of luck, but would otherwise just be meaningless gaslighting for the sake of torturing or killing someone who can't figure out how to follow the command. Zone of Truth tells you that affected creatures are aware of the spell. So that wouldn't help. Antipathy/Sympathy already has a range of 60ft. So yeah, no use other than for example gaslighting someone into thinking that you did it by just verbally cursing them.

[@XperimentorEES]

​@@MrSlothJunior I wasn't intending on any of them being tortuous, if anything I was trying to give more ideas for social and political role playing options instead of encouraging murderhobos. Geas offers more complex commands than suggestion, while letting them have free will unlike the domination spells; such as duping a sheriff into arresting every other visiting trader that comes into town for suspicion of being spies, while your group runs a black market monopoly scheme. But depending on the ruling of how gift of gab works, they'd either forget or get distracted from the revealing effect of zone of truth, granted more dm dependent but it might be an option if discussed prior to the investment. What story important character wouldn't have eyes ears or divination of suspicious activity outside of 30 feet? Even then it'd have other utilities such as; blockading guards with innocent bystanders while looking like mass hysteria, or make a beloved mayor seem evil for an easy overthrow, without relying on spamming mass suggestion nor worrying about any elves ignoring charms.

[@coalcreekdefense8106]

I think the words replaced by the spell just get erased from the target's memory, along with, maybe, the time in which they were said. Then the brain just cobbles together a plausible story for the missing time. Our brains do stuff like that constantly. It's honestly scary how much time we lose without ever noticing.

[@Bluecho4]

Absolutely. Our brains are constantly dumping massive quantities of information every second of every day (admittedly, mostly useless stuff like perceiving the same inanimate object that's been in a spot for 8 months, hence why it's easy to overlook something in familiar surroundings). The brain is finite, and the stimuli being thrown at us infinite. It has to be choosy about what it processes, and what it lets fall by the wayside. It's also constantly altering things in subtle ways. Like removing a microsecond from our visual perception every time our eyes move, so we're not constantly screwed over by motion blur. Replacing that microsecond with an extension of the microsecond immediately after we switch focus, to make the transition seamless. (Hence why the movement of a clock hand seems to linger longer than it should when we first glance at the clock). Or how the brain fills in the blindspot in our vision, from the presence of the nerve connecting to the back of the eye (there are no cells able to gather info from there, so the brain cheats). Or how our eyes feed us vision that's "upside down" (because of how light works), and the brain has to go in and flip it "rightside up" so we can process things "correctly". Honestly, a lot of this is specific to the eyes, because vision is deeply jank. It's an evolutionary miracle we can see at all. Half of that is because our brains compensate for the mechanical limitations.

[@amadav4889]

I keep coming back to this video just to watch him creat his magic weed.

[@chaincat33]

It kinda works like King Crimson I imagine, but retroactively instead of proactively. It basically causes amnesia of the past 5 seconds and also makes you percieve no time has passed between what you said 5 seconds ago, and the verbal components of the spell. So, to Altruicious, he hears, or at least, he recollects, just both compliments in sequence with no major pause inbetween, literally, to him, the insult and his reaction never happened.

[@donflymoor2767]

This is super useful. For instance, you could accuse somebody of commiting a crime, gauge their reaction, then change it to "good day".

[@TonkarzOfSolSystem]

Based on the spell description, the affected creatures are effectively missing the 6 seconds that was replaced.

[@turoskensei13]

I cast "Gaslight".

[@thegeneralissimo470]

I really do appreciate you tell us that you got money from them even though it’s been a few years and it’s not for this video. I really like transparency like this.

[@Daktangle]

Less "Gift of Gab" and more "Jim Darkmargic's Gaslighting".

[@wabbajack2]

Tell 'em... Dark Marge sent ya.

[@arvetis]

If anyone watches Dimension 20, word is that Brennan wouldn't let Fig take this because he thought she would be too powerful if her words didn't have consequences.

[@nicklausdavis]

I 100% believe this

[@m.a.ctheknifeforge1073]

Emily used it in far and flowers to epic effect

[@vicentetemes5793]

I like the idea of using this spell in scenarios where the fae or something like Zone of Truth are concerned. You did very much tell the other person what you needed to tell them; what do you mean they don't remember? This is not a violation of contract!

[@Warlocke000]

Literally laughed out loud when THE spell was cast. I did not see that coming. More importantly, though, I didn't HEAR it coming.

[@oscarjack1756]

Only had it used once in a game of mine, I was floored. The Bard PC revealed to their love interest a Satyr Pirate Captain NPC that he was the reason behind her new confounding and utterly persona destroying fear of large sea creatures (she had rolled a nat 1 on her save when he did Enthralling Performance to influence the crew, before they fell for each other). When he revealed to her that he was the reason behind her fear, she immediately went cold and tried to kill him, he cast gift of the gab, and instead chose a different tactic. I didn’t even know he had the spell and just adored the moment, total inspiration point earned.

[@joshwalker4399]

OH OH OH, this spell is brilliant. Imagine doing a negotiation with somebody and having witnesses. You give some reasonable clauses, something unreasonable but highly beneficial to you, and then cast the spell and add something reasonable to cover it up. So when the contract writer and witnesses double check, they basically gaslight the guy unwittingly to having fucked up the negotiation. That's brilliant. Also I love how you know the spell is active cause the music stopped.

[@erikdahl6861]

ehehehehe 😈

[@Danodan94]

The way I see it, Gift of Gab replaces the last thing said by forcing a gap in the listener's memory, they simply forget the time that took place during the last thing said. That period of time is just plain skipped.

[@DevinDTV]

That's not how it works though. If you actually read the spell (or listened to the video even): "Those creatures then remember that you actually said the words you speak as the verbal component of the spell." Think about how much more powerful the spell would be if they simply forgot an entire period of 6 seconds.

[@demi-femme4821]

@@DevinDTV It forces a gap, but only in the words that were spoken.

[@Lettucem3n]

Ah. So it’s king crimson

[@unironicallylikesranger7122]

Other spells from Jim Darkmagic include Suggestion 2, Power Word: Look At Me, Power Word: Look Over There, Group Heroism, and Tax Fraud

[@octo_contra]

Power Word: Go Fuck Yourself was too controversial on the battlefield to complete development; early testing showed drastically increased rates of *ahem* ...organ... damage and all involved agreed to table it.

[@ReiSilver]

the fact that the video was silent as the punchline meant that I was alone with my cackling laughter making me laugh EVEN MORE Well done!

[@Kevin-cf9nl]

Remember, it's not just a "make your target think you said something different" spell, it's a "make anyone you want nearby plus everyone further than five feet away hear something different than what your target did". You can use it to secretly shout useful information to your party without the person you're talking to knowing. You could use it to provoke a fight while the guards think you're an innocent victim. You could shout an accusation at someone that they hear as an innocuous question, leading everyone else to thinking they admitting their guilt. You get the drift. The main benefit of the spell doesn't seem to be saying something and taking it back, but effectively being able to say two different things at once with the ability to choose which audience hears which things.

[@MagpieDynamics]

I still wasn’t sure how to actually use it, but this really clears it up.

[@Gartalugoth]

Don't mean to to offend, but this creativity and briliance in social situations sounds like yo're ether a really good lawyer or a particulary dangerous sociopath. Yet your coment taught me way more than the vid up so thank you, guy i really hope not to meet&upset IRL

[@TheGregamonster]

Except you have to say the sentence you're replacing what your originally said with out loud as the verbal component of the spell. So you say "You're the killer, aren't you? (By the way, do you like beer?)" Your target hears "By the way, do you like beer?" And answers yes. Everyone else hears "You're the killer, aren't you? By the way do you like beer?" and their response is rendered meaningless because they heard both questions and can assume they wouldn't casually respond yes to the accusation of murder. Rather than your target hearing one thing and everyone else hearing another, your target hears an abridged version while everyone else hears the full statement.

[@AGrayPhantom]

That perfectly-timed silence spell had me rolling in my seat 😂🤣

[@Snoozems]

I love that he’s just getting high while explaining dnd, relatable content

[@GitHecct]

I think how it would work mechanically in game is it retroactively alters the memory of the target to not perceive those 6 seconds of time. Like King Crimson but with less suspension of disbelief. That way it feels like a catch-all response to any questions of how it affected the target(s), and could lead to more interesting memory manipulation implications.

[@prosamis]

The mind probably fills in the gap and makes it all make sense Like when it takes a while for a sentence to make sense in your head and you go like "ah! Right! That's what he meant" a second after

[@chompythebeast]

Yeah, 6 seconds isn't that much time to account for

[@jackccurbs]

I love the idea that someone with the Keen Mind feat is immune to the spell -- someone suggested that to me once, and I think it's such a neat and niche little immunity (the only one) to a pretty neat and niche spell.

[@IAMAGUNH4XP]

I like the idea that it "works" but the person with keen mind is aware of what's happening and what was said both times.

[@WarmishTextbook]

This is my favourite kind of magic countering. One cover-all counterspell is so boring. Examples where spells have a very specific counter, like Magic Missile and Shield, are much more fun to me. So this idea that a very niche spell is countered by a single feat sounds really cool. One of the things I loved about playing "Sorcery! 3" was that casting certain spells would cancel out the effects of certain other spells. Pairs of opposite spells that on the surface don't have related effects, but the casting process for each has this special pairing.

[@putter1mc]

one of my favorite parts of these animated videos is the flavor and details, like, "this isn't my clone room"

[@timetraveler_from_2012]

Gift of Gab is basically just when you edit a message before the other person has time to read it.

[@wesnohathas1993]

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[@timetraveler_from_2012]

@@wesnohathas1993 What do you mean?

[@wesnohathas1993]

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[@timetraveler_from_2012]

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[@DapperestDave]

Playing gambling games and using gift of gab to change your choice (like calling heads or tails, high rolls or low rolls, maybe even blackjack if the dealer is fast)

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

But that would be dishonest...teehee

[@RayPoreon]

This is probably the reason why devils don't deal in verbal contracts.

[@Mister-Thirteen]

I played an Enchanter Yuan-ti and I made use of this spell like...once. And mostly as a experiment to see just how many times I could backhand insult the BBEG to their face. It was cathartic and proved to me beyond a doubt that well they might have a high saving throw they didn't have any broad immunity to enchantment overall.

[@danilooliveira6580]

that was the first use I though actually LOL

[@Darasilverdragon]

Not actually an enchantment though - he says as much in the video

[@raphaelhemery152]

@@Darasilverdragon It is an enchantement spell. Just not a charm effect.

[@sauronsrighthandman301]

I wish gift of gab was added to the Archfey warlock. It is literally perfect.

[@archmagemc3561]

The issue with this spell is people tend to not allow or have heard of Acq inc so they think its a homebrew spell.

[@illyon1092]

to be fair, it is written like poor homebrew; like many AcqInc spells are. Verbal components are no words with meaning, literally reshaping memory of each nearby creature of your choice without a saving throw is far beyond a 2nd-level spell, and the practical holes Skenk pointed out are another major design flaw.

[@Bluecho4]

@@illyon1092 I disagree. While it makes an exception to normal component rules, it's not like the official rules out of the PHB or other books don't have weird uses of components. Moreover, while the spell is powerful in its ability to disrupt a person's memory without a save, it's got such a narrow application that it's hardly broken. You have to really work to make it usable.

[@eric_moore-6126]

Any spell with royalty components *deserves* disrespect. Royalty components shouldn't exist.

[@videogollumer]

​@@eric_moore-6126 Jim Darkmagic: *laughs while shaking a coffer full of coins*

[@GreyAcumen]

@@eric_moore-6126 I don't have a problem with royalty components. Functionally it's like saying "Material components: 2 gold coins that are consumed on the casting of this spell" I don't really have an issue with Gift of Gab specifically, but my main concern is that if you offer gift of gab, then you open up the floor to debates over allowing all the other nonsense that IS both badly balanced and vaguely worded. If you're playing AL, then it's PHB +1, and even with the unbalanced nonsense in Acq Inc, it's not worth giving up the stuff in XGtE, SCAL, or TCoE. If you're doing a home game, it's much easier to just do a broad limit of "All books EXCEPT Acq Inc and Morty&Rick, though I'm tempted to toss in just about ANY IP-specific Handbook in that ban. Ravnica, Eberron, Mythic Odyssey, etc. If you aren't playing in that world, don't play with that book.

[@loganwilkins8672]

I just noticed as he said altruitius is going to kill you he used the gift of gab on his brother

[@milokiss8276]

Oh man, Good catch.

[@happyhatebot]

PC uses might be edge, but I can absolutely see this spell being abused by an NPC merchant who's only goal is to fleece the PCs out of as much gold as they can get. Ackbar's Discount Magic Items! So nice, we tell you the price twice! No refunds.

[@SupLuiKir]

And the worst part is that the players would know exactly what's going on but stopping it would be metagaming, so they can only sit there and seethe.

[@nekoali2]

As if that would stop almost any player. Only the most dedicated would go along with it instead of finding a different reason not to deal with the NPC.

[@Vinemaple]

I might actually pay to watch a series where Zee's characters just interact with each other, MAYBE go on actual adventures, but stuff like this would be just fine.

[@Vinemaple]

@alida flus Nah, I'm not really into playing with mysterious strangers or on roll20...

[@lemeres2478]

Except, you know. For all the people who are brutally murdered for things like necromancy components, or because they got the last chocolate chip ice cream at the ice cream truck.

[@redstoneraptor8101]

I love watching these videos because of the lore you put into your cast of characters for them. Skank McGank will forever hold a special place in my heart.

[@ShadeScarecrow]

"This isn´t my clone room... uh drugs :D"

[@UrGonnaLuvMyNutz]

“I cast Gift of Gab” is what you immediately declare when the DMs eyes widen slightly while you talk plot in front of an npc

[@danielfarfudinov3193]

In my opinion, it's more like that time you stop paying attention to a conversation for a moment, and simply don't remember what the person who cast the spell said during that time

[@Daktangle]

This seems less like having the Gift of the Gab, and more like Gift of Gaslighting.

[@lornbaker1083]

That is what it was renamed For the new release of d n d one

[@CodfishJoe]

gablighting

[@AdmiralTymothysLootChest]

I picture it being more like instantly replacing the memory of what was said, rather than making them forget what was ever said.

[@nyx7694]

Proving as always that Silence is the best spell to cast on pickup artists

[@balintvasvari7573]

I am starting to get the impression that this character might be evil

[@berniebroig8745]

There is a slight possibility.

[@timwoods2852]

Na, man. Massacring an entire tavern with a painful, skin-melting burst of flame just to get fresh corpses to reanimate is totally a neutral thing. 😜

[@videogollumer]

Skenk McGenk: Confirmed Chaotic Evil since the Mage Hand video, his first appearance.

[@Tomeroche]

The perception question being open is actually rather fitting, memory and how humans perceives events is a rather odd thing, and one that is often retroactively or proactively altered by the observers own bias even if it should realisticly make no sense. One of the most chilling observed examples of this was in patients who had special lobotomies to deal with epilepcy and researchers discovered that when visually separated the two hands would perform different tasks if the patient was ask to use them to perform certain tasks such as sketching or writing the answer to an open question. When asked about this the person would be confused for a moment before coming up with various and sometimes conflicting reasoning for why one hand drew a cat and the other drew a duck.

[@microwave221]

There's a much more mundane example of this that you're probably familiar with, maybe even heard of. Whenever you look at the second hand of a clock, the first tick appears much slower than the rest, almost seemingly frozen for a moment. This happens because when your eyes move to focus on a new target, your brain cuts that part out and sorta fills in the gap retroactively with whatever you are now looking at.

[@Leto_0]

To be clear, lobotomies are the severing of the prefrontal cortex, which primarily controls a person's executive functioning. Part of that executive functioning is known as "working memory" in which the prefrontal cortex holds new information and ties it to stored information in the hippocampus, like the RAM of a computer working with a hard drive. You're referring to a corpus callosotomy, where the corpus callosum (the main bridge between the hemispheres) is cut, which greatly reduces the hemispheres' ability to communicate. This doesn't affect your memory. More specifically, it's the neocortex that's split in two. The neocortex is responsible for your conscious behavior: language, movement, and conscious thought. Essentially, this results in two separate brains that can barely communicate, and only through fringe connections. As you probably know, the two sides of the brain perform different functions. The right brain controls the left side of your body, and vice versa, but the right also controls creativity, context, and some aspects of sensory perception and recognition. The left side primarily controls logic and language. CC patients may/will experience disconnection syndrome, either acute (temporary) or chronically. For the acute patients, normal function will be restored in weeks/months, but during that time, they will suffer from severe inability to control parts of their body. They may become incontinent, struggle with spontaneous speech, lose function of their nondominant limbs, even lose the ability to eat and breath on their own. The brain will adapt and reform connections in order to regain a semblance or even complete function. Chronic sufferers may develop similar problems but are unable to adapt. They may lose control of their nondominant hand, lose its function entirely, be unable to consciously sense things on one side, and other strange sensory problems. The _interesting part_ is that both sides of the brain are still functioning, but only the left hemisphere contains the two areas of the brain that control speech. This means your body now hosts two minds, one of which is now essentially deaf and mute :( (although the right will still be able to recognize tone of voice and produce physical communication). Patients naturally feel as if their left brain, controlling logic and language, is their "actual" brain, but both brains are still "you". One will produce language for you to think and say, and the other will seem like a foreign and handicapped part of you. Some patients will maintain some lexicon (your brain's dictionary) in the right hemisphere, so that your right brain may still identify words, but will be unable to produce language outside of gestures with the hand. In many others the poor right brain is now trapped in a world where it can't communicate or even understand words at all. Either way, the conscious part of your left brain that produces language is almost entirely unaware of the conscious part of your right brain that doesn't. This results in things like alien hand syndrome, where the left hand (controlled by the right brain) acts on its own and will do things like grabbing items in the supermarket or smacking someone you secretly dislike. The "You" that can speak is unaware of the "You" that cannot. This is how you have scenarios like items mysteriously appearing in your shopping cart, and your picture example. Your left brain is unaware of what you see out of your left eye and what you do with your left hand. I believe it will just fill in the gaps as best it can, just like how your brain approximates what you see in your peripherals (but I'm not sure and I don't feel like looking up anything else). This means that your left eye can take in information that your left brain is unaware of, and can recall that information through physical communication, such as drawing a picture. This phenomenon is portrayed very well in House, season 5 ep 24. Still my favorite show ^_^

[@lemeres2478]

As someone that transcribes recorded conversations as part of his job... you'd be surprised how little people ACTUALLY hear what is being said. Your brain is designed to fill in a hell of a lot off blanks based on the general flow of the conversation. That is why I always try to go back and rewatch the video and reach my transcript at the same time. There is often large differences. And it isn't just cute substitutions like beach and -----. It is entire sentences.

[@seigeengine]

This mostly happens, ime, in cases with a time crunch component, like if you have to transcribe something in real time. Having done some transcription from video, I do not experience what you're talking about at all. It's also one of my particular peeves in others; when they just make up things and decide you said them like they weren't really paying attention and just caught stray words here and there. I'd assume I do the same thing, but approximately nobody has ever pointed out me doing it, so I can only assume I either don't, am abnormal in my noticing other people doing it (concerning for various reasons), or do so very rarely.

[@lemeres2478]

@@seigeengine the difference in experience might also relate to video quality. I tend to work with material from low quality equipment, and only one half of the partcipants knows how you need to speak tp be clearly caught on a mike. The other half tends to be nervous and emotional.

[@OwlShapedCeramic]

It also could be used to cover up Verbal only spells. They succeeded against your Suggestion spell in a social situation, replace it with another bit of dialogue. They still might know you tried to charm them but quick thinking could be used to reduce or negate the consequences

[@JestersOrders]

Ooh, ingenious

[@TheNaturalnuke]

THAT is a prime use for this spell

[@SeekerPsycho1]

That Silence cast was one of the funniest spellcasting gags I have ever bloody well seen.

[@Colouroutofspace4]

You could do an entire episode about silence. It's a great spell that no cleric should be witbout

[@Nexsusthepro]

What's messed up about this, is the number of times I've rewatched this and only just recognised the bit where he says "Altruism is gonna kill you- just give it a try!"

[@makaramuss]

I think he also uses it at start of video (you see his hand gestures and awkward pause? I think thats not the viewer but how HE perceivess what he is doing at the moment because of spell's influance

[@Nerdmancer]

Speaking of spells with no save, and interesting information. Have you thought about using Sending? The range is unlimited, and you can send a quick message of 25 words. Most importantly there is no save. They can not stop you. 2am, you wake up and send a message of you Yelling at someone, to wake them up. Repeat to continue to distort there sleep, every day, for the rest of your life. Not only do you get to make them miserable, but their response back of 25 words will usually be groaning, pleading, and crying. Pure immediate satisfaction for our instant gratification lives.

[@imUmoron]

You could also just use dream to harass them in their sleep with nightmares and potentially foil their long rest :U

[@sophiatrocentraisin]

Only useful if you don't need to sleep and can cast it repeatedly without hindering your spellcasting ability. Which is exactly what a warlock with pact of the tome + aspect of the moon can do (as long as your prey made the error of writing their name in your book of shadows and you're willing to waste a name slot for this). With enough dedication, you could even kill someone of exhaustion by harrassing them every hour or so

[@spiritteddy9393]

Comic Thanos would be proud.

[@imUmoron]

@@sophiatrocentraisin Cast the dream spell, and use the nightmare effect to deny someone of their long rest

[@sophiatrocentraisin]

@@imUmoron Meh, takes a 5th level spell slot (granted, it can be used at the end of the day), you need to be at least 9th level to have this slot, and the target needs to fail both a wis save AND a con save to get exhaustion. If the target succeds both, they lose a point of exhaustion. On the other hand, the stupid pact of the tome/message combo is possible starting from level 5, with a build that a pact of the tome warlock might actually go for, even without this intention (so you don't need to severely hinder your character to pull off this ridiculous combo), and only needs for the target to fail an increasingly more difficult CON save every night if the DM allows it. Though, you could actually do both : harrass them for most of the night, then send a nightmare when you're close to the end. That way, you decrease the chance of a successful long rest (the DM would probably allow a test for the target of messages to be able to benefit from the effects of a long rest), with all the effects that stem from multiple nights in a row without a long rest. Plus, being a warlock, you probably have a 5th level spell slot to spare at the end of the day (at the cost of a learned and a memorized spell, but that's worth it). And yes, I'm not just talking "foiling a long rest" but "killing by exhaustion" there

[@AegisAuras]

So you could be in a room of several people, yell something, then cast the spell so that only the person right next to you would hear it differently. “This guys got a dagger!” and then replace it with a cough or something. You could walk away before the target knows why everyone’s freaking out.

[@Freekymoho]

oh that one is good

[@O4OUR]

I have never laughed so hard at one of your videos before. *Silence* killed me.

[@WhoTookSaltyCabbage]

It killed Skank McGank too

[@villevuojarvi9487]

Imagine the confusion talking with the 18th level wizard that has taken this as their at-will spell...

[@MasterofLaziness]

Best I can think of is using Gift of Gab to reroll a persuasion or intimidation check.

[@axelnext779]

Fun use for this spell that most don’t notice it can replace verbal components of other spells with empty silence(or other words). So if you cast a spell where you hide your hands from a target they literally have no idea that you did it.

[@doob195]

The issue is that there is no mechanism for hiding somatic components.

[@alec5779]

Love how his pupils dilate when he smokes. Lots of attention to detail

[@bishop6881]

Gift of Gab is just Speech King Crimson

[@weedweeb9211]

It just works

[@calmcraft5852]

I feel like it's when you hear someone and only process what they said after you sit there wondering why your mom would need mayo for the dog for 6 seconds

[@natsuaurbisness5345]

Funny

[@mitchellslate1249]

Oh my gosh...They are brothers still yelling perfectly at each other under silence! This feels like the greatest chaotic evil brother moment in D&D ever!

[@isaacschmitt4803]

Best use of Silence I have ever witnessed!

[@microwave221]

Smoking in a video that is only 4:20 by coincidence, I'm sure.

[@Emily12471]

I feel like the best way is that what is being replaced just disappears, like how some thoughts go away easily when you have adhd

[@kahlzun]

or like the men in black flashy thingy

[@Canadian_Zac]

I liked the way they used it in Critical Role (during the short calamity series) Essentially a time reversal that can only be used for conversations

[@quartz9008]

I imagine that the the target probably would remember you taking but won't be able to recall anything that was said.

[@Nesto_]

Or what if it’s like a small gap in their memory?

[@GameGod77]

I imagine it works like an amnesiac effect, like you literally erase 6 seconds of a person's memory. Although if that were the case then it would have potential stealth applications.

[@b.s.864]

Mind affecting (i.e. charm) then?

[@KeggleStomp_Pogrompa]

Magical gaslighting

[@tullydireen]

Arcane lighting

[@dontuserachelslurs]

Anyone ever break your arms so bad a rough sketch of your broken arms comes out of your elbows?

[@ellispedersen4192]

I love seeing the mcgenk brothers be put on the same level of intelligence as each other. I expected Kevil to be the one clobbered but he smelled the bullshit from a mile away and turned it on his brother. Gold.

[@Bluecho4]

I mean, they ARE both wizards.

[@SkellyHertz]

Mind Blank (and similar effects) can completely ignore this spell, since it deflects any spells or effects that could affect the creature's mind even at the level of Wish.

[@coalcreekdefense8106]

I assume that the target's mind just.. blanks on the time covered by this spell. People lose track of way longer amounts of time than that every day, and never notice.

[@metarmored]

I can't get enough of Skank doing spell and alquemy shit int aht table, just looks so fun to watch

[@hestiashearth757]

In our campaign, the dungeon of the mad mage is like a reality TV show, so my character used this to advertise her band without the rest of the party knowing she'd done it

[@Comicsluvr]

As cool as it is that you actually use this spell, the really cool part of your post is that you have a band! Now I want my next D&D party to be a traveling band!

[@hestiashearth757]

@@Comicsluvr King Maxz Licht'Zhan, rockstar! She's my favourite PC by miles, she means so much to me. The rest of the party aren't actually part of the band, that's just maxz' thing

[@drewforchic9083]

I had a Brass Dragon NPC (the ones who talk too much) with the ability to cast this spell at will. Good times.

[@baguettegoblin7882]

Verbal king crimson

[@blankbunsch]

ULTRA underrated comment

[@adambeck427]

every person with a crush would take this spell in a heartbeat. "do you like me?" gauge the reaction and either let it sail or retract your question and save it for later.

[@NobodyDungeons]

So, I was playing in a party where everyone stuffed their foot in their mouth when role playing pissing off the NPC's, so I used this spell many many times in order to get NPC's on good terms with us then keep it that way. I also happened to be a elven rogue, so every long rest while the party was sleeping I would steal the gold back spent from the spell convincing them it was a curse which gave us great social success at the cost of taking our gold, but if we did well in social encounters the party wouldn't lose gold. Sure enough they started getting better at role playing, and my DM gave me a cool magic rapier as thanks.

[@handsomeman-child8751]

I think the passage of time thing is simply the listener mentally losing track of the thing you just said. Everyone's had moments where they've listened intently to something someone's said and then immediately forgotten it, like a lecture or your parents giving you a task.

[@quilfrey1139]

I just realized his eyes changed when he smoked lol

[@TomfooleryVA]

I feel like it would give you a sensation of like a mind lapse. Like you do something just out of habit or instinct but you don't remember doing it moments later and you're left questioning yourself. For example last night I went out and grabbed a bite to eat and I as I was coming back I realized I needed to make the turn onto my road and I was like "wait I have absolutely NO memory of taking the exit and going through the roundabouts before even getting here". I've made the drive so many times that I just kinda did it while my mind was just zoned in on the road.

[@yugijak]

Actually you could use this to interrogate someone without realizing. Simple information only but if you want to confirm the answer or gauge a reaction without consequence it'd be great for that

[@BM03]

Oh my God Kevil played him so good, I didn't see it coming in the least. I really thought he was falling for it, I'm in stitches! Also that dude snapped his arms so savagely he left hanging outlines, like he broke his arms in many planes of the multiverse at once.

[@alexolson9846]

I choose to think that the spell doesn't alter the perception of the old phase, but alters the memory of the spell directly by making it foggy, as though you naturally couldn't remember what they just said. Most people don't try to remember word for word conversations in the near past. And if they do, it is almost indistinguishable from the normal fog of memory. later on in life, this fog is nearly perfect, so missing a six second part of a conversation in memory wouldn't be that out of place, or may just be shortcut by the brain and cut out entirely. Maybe this interpretation could be used in a neat, edge case plot element where someone you interacted with has photographic memory, and thus that particular memory would be one of the few they have missing, and thus could send up a big red flag for possible magical tampering.

[@ethribin4188]

Due to the cast time this indeed sounds like an infodistortion spell,rather then a backpedal spell.

[@ArtPatron25]

I feel that using this spell as a political tool is a niche case, the games I have been in have never had heavy political role play interactions like what you described. My own DM will let players back-paddle if they feel the player is acting out of character or if they realize the consequences of what they just said. Other DMs might be stricter with their RP and would only allow a take back if this spell was used. I think a 3rd use of this spell, if the caster does not mind burning spell slots and money, would be testing how another character reacts or re-rolling a social dice. A Castor might have another spell active, like detect thoughts, to read the emotional state of an NPC they're interacting with and use gift of the gab to gauge how the NPC reacts to various statements or questions. And if your DM allows it you might be able to reroll persuasion, deception, and intimidation checks in case your first attempt fails.

[@Taurusus]

Ye Gads, that actually sounds to me like a perfectly legitimate interpretation of the spell. Effectively an RP Advantage roll. Make your case, get a reaction, cast this spell to try again with a different tack. I wouldn't even fight this interpretation as a DM.

[@MrSlothJunior]

@@Taurusus Not exactly a roll with advantage, as you would have to accept the second roll and not the best roll.

[@Taurusus]

@@MrSlothJunior True, but you're assuming the first roll is a failure if you feel the need to go again.

[@XanKreigor]

You'd never be able to use it in a political setting because the spell has VERBAL and SOMANTIC components, meaning you're speaking the words of the spell LOUDLY and waving your arms around. Everyone would realize you're casting a spell and either step back, or attack you because casting a spell is no different than brandishing a weapon.

[@hostiusasinhostilityhostil7853]

@@XanKreigor Subtle Spell Sorcerer: I'm four parallel universes ahead of you EDIT: What. Sorcerers don't get this one... why not?! It's a conversation-based spell, that's exactly what a charismatic character should be able to use! Oh well, at least it's not wizard-only...

[@jancieslik1263]

I, too, thought this spell would be useless. Until I got to a session when I failed literally all my deception, performance and intimidation checks and lost both money and hit points because of it

[@SlayerEndX13]

Gift of Gab is D&D's version of King Crimson.

[@Asteelyman13]

I'm just thinking about the interaction between this and suggestion. The idea is to cast suggestion, and to immediately after cast gift of gab. Theoretically, it would leave the suggestion intact, without the one it was cast on being aware. Essentially, you could cause an NPC to assist the party in a manner that they don't recognize is a suggestion, as the original speaking of the suggestion is erased from memory, but not the actual spell effect. What do you think?

[@crowsenpai5625]

Since Suggestion doesn’t have Somatic Components, this may just work.

[@malrok5452]

Not needed. Unlike Charm Person, there is no indication RAW that target of Suggestion knows that he's been charmed into doing something. The only thing that can give you away is them seeing you casting the spell. So just use Subtle Spell metamagic and you can magicly boss people around without them knowing. Hell, pick Aberrant Mind sorcerer origin for even more power. On 6th level any spells provided by your origin feature (that includes Suggestion) can be cast using sorcery points instead of a spell slot, and they don't require any components, just like Subtle Spell, but without actually using metamagic. What does that mean? That since you are casting a spell without using metamagic, you can ALSO add metamagic on top of that. Heightened Spell and you can suggest people without them knowing, and they have disadvantage on the saving throw, making it very reliable. Twinned Spell, and you can Suggest 2 people at the same time. One of my best characters was Aberrant Mind Changeling specialized in charming people. Since this origin lets you pick bonus spells like Geas or Modify Memory, you can just bend almost every NPC to your will. Another fun combo is Alter Self and Charm Person. No one blames you for fucking with their mind if you look like someone else. Potentially you can Dominate person on shopkeepers to rob them blind while looking as a person you don't like...

[@Asteelyman13]

@@malrok5452 That's fair. When I first thought of it, I was imagining using it in a situation with multiple people, so that everyone involved would not be aware of the suggestion, instead of just the original target.

[@DeNorali]

I mean, I can imagine roleplaying scenarios for this. Not many, but a few. *Loudly in a room* King Dave, will you secede the throne for me and give me the crown? *GIft of gab* Dave, you are the king of this kingdom? The King: Yes, of course Or something along those lines. I mean you could use it for more nefarious things, like "Is your wife cheating on you?" and basically trick the person to answering Yes, or whatever you want. Could have roleplay potential.

[@s.m.2523]

The thing is everyone outisde of the five feet range heard you ask both question and in the regular order so as far as they are concerned you jsut asked an unreasonable question to the king, he didn't answer, with the inky thing weird about that being that he didn't get upset, then asked a second reasonabe question to which he answered yes. as for anyine in the fuve feet as far as they are concerned you jsut asked the secnd questions. So it doesn't really work in your example or anything of the sort.