Trucks With Ben Degros

Tier List: The Final Chapter
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[@zylertracey]

Can’t believe you posted a FaceTime with your psychologist, love it splintered

[@vancouvercarpenter]

🤣

[@galvanizedgnome]

@@vancouvercarpenter I wish they would have talked about z rollers.

[@andrewstachowski3375]

@@vancouvercarpenter bro! you taught me how to do something when i first bought my house thanks!

[@erwang9823]

Ertt

[@UTCSB]

Daddy Ben Degros wit the Phd fits

[@billytheblockomus]

its like jesus and satan in a zoom call

[@alexalb5256]

The two ain’t that different after all 🤝

[@arty712]

@ roadkill Cause we all know it’s really like the WWE; they kick it behind the scenes.

[@zackswitch9656]

Which is which?

[@ryanwalters3531]

@@zackswitch9656given that Ben is a carpenter by trade (as Jesus was) and preaching the good news about wheelbase, I think you know who is who. 😂

[@RikRiorik]

On Lurpivs: ”They are ahead of their time” ”In some ways” In most ways. Even released them before their time.

[@18JR78]

😂

[@hardflip]

Lol

[@littlebear2477]

Haha

[@alexalb5256]

The Lurpiv Paradox 🧠

[@aaronescobar6710]

Only Ben De Gros and Gifted Hater can talk about nothing but trucks for over an hour

[@XanderVapulaBuehrer]

and it's a beautiful, beautiful thing

[@mukrey4k155]

You know this is just the edited version of a 3 hour conversation about trucks to 😭

[@2drpeppersplz]

@@joshgross8741 have u ever ridden more than one truck brand?

[@krispyk.1786]

@@joshgross8741 I mean wheel base and turning radius are affected by truck brand… right …?

[@Rustyfingaz]

And we're hear for it

[@adamchik4885]

THE COLLAB WE NEEDED

[@Michealceraoffical]

Why ?

[@adamchik4885]

@@Michealceraoffical why not christopher?

[@basedwood]

Not the collab we deserved, but the collab we needed

[@i.haul.ass_]

Nah we deserved it

[@eye4eyelights]

Not the collab we needed, but the collab we deserved.*

[@basedwood]

@@eye4eyelights nah bro ben is too powerful we puny humans don't deserve his vast galaxy brain of skate knowledge

[@joedent3323]

you are the hackneyed-cliche King. You should say the above in that ridiculous voice Christian Bale used when he's Batman. That's when he delivers his best tiresome platitudes.

[@twindr4kes]

Gifted Hater and Ben Degros, this can’t get any better

[@gapbones]

Hey Guys, just a FYI RE: Theeve Trucks, they are very naughty. We agreed to sell them our patented BONES bushings when they began, and did so, years ago. After many months, we discovered they were not purchasing our Bushings any more, but still promoting their trucks as having Bones Bushings. After investigating, we learned that they had reproduced our bushings in China, and were representing them as originals. This caused us to sever our relationship and send them a cease and desist letter. If they are still saying that their trucks come with Bones bushing, they are lying to skaters, and if they don't ride like Bones bushings, that's' because they aren't. Some companies outright lie, cheat and steal, so beware.

[@joeyschipper5770]

bones bushings suck anyways 😢

[@jake360flip]

@@joeyschipper5770 They're amazing, when they work. How ever they start destroying themselves almost instantly.

[@UrbanCulture3]

"I dont like different, It gives me feeling's and I dont want to have feeling's " - Ben Degros such a real voice during these times

[@Rahtings67]

Ventures were a good £15 cheaper per set than any other truck in the UK. When you’re a kid with little to no budget, that was a big persuader.

[@reecejamesvickers]

Having to take the hangar off every time you set up a new board

[@parrysmith6565]

@@reecejamesvickers you'd think after 30+ years they'd figure out a way to make their trucks work with skate tools

[@wackabug]

​@@parrysmith6565 It's not as easy of a fix as you seem to think lol. You can't fix this issue on ventures without changing the geometry and stability, so it isn't worth it for venture to piss off the people who already like riding their trucks. It's a precise engineering problem to retain the venture feel while freeing up space around the outside bolts. Trucks are finnicky and changing geometry is dangerous for truck brand loyalty. Copying others or attempting to conform to a standard is a big nono, because people WILL NOT CARE if you are yet another indy clone with worse turn. They're just gonna ride what they already like if you change your geometry and blow it. Gotta stand out somehow (IMO ventures do this by having a lot more baseplate/weight beyond the bolt holes compared to other brands which gives them heavy kicks with a ton of pop, as well as hella stability)

[@cv6531]

@@parrysmith6565 they kind of figured it out with the lows. You have to pre-thread the bolt first and itll scratch paint but it works.

[@soydave1988]

@@parrysmith6565 use a Spitfire skate tool. Works for Ventures, Thunders, Indys, everything just fine

[@ternerbot7619]

Absolutely devious of you to do this

[@lancethompson6323]

One hour video on a video with no ads and now revenue, true hero of the skate community. Keep up the work we love you.

[@leonardohin.1575]

love ben degros, hes the perfect person for this tier list lol

[@carolynberge2919]

It’s a good thing that Ben is such an honest, upright guy, because in a sea of California voices, him and his Vancouver accent could convince me to buy anything.

[@shane3736]

fell asleep with my tv on and woke up to this and thought I might've been hallucinating lol

[@vancouvercarpenter]

🤣

[@jrml_3602]

the legends. the combo. the counterpart to youtube skater bullshit content

[@dontusemyrealname5540]

the best part of this video is at 43:27 where when he types Royal Trucks into google a rolling garbage bin pops up

[@leviholland5775]

Are you kidding me. What an incredible video for someone in a truck craze. Plus the 2 best youtubers. Thanks guys

[@joe.nail1]

So have u found your perfect truck yet

[@billytheblockomus]

never @@joe.nail1

[@mooncalf_4534]

@@joe.nail1 Ford Raptor baby

[@penuts17]

Watch both of you a lot and genuinely enjoy hearing Ben on a more silly tip. This video was super great.

[@18JR78]

My favorite dudes on KZbin in 1 video. Sick!

[@Spelonker]

I went from Krux to Indie Hollows and it took me a couple of weeks to get used to being able to turn so sharply (that and finding the right combo of bushings that didn't instantly split under my fat ass). I still use my Krux and find them fine. They might be designed for the heavier-than-average skater or something.

[@I4k_au]

Not k4s tho right

[@joedent3323]

Tru Dat Niggz.

[@Spurgte]

@@joedent3323 your white shut 😭

[@Spelonker]

@@I4k_au Actually not sure. They could be k5s because I got them as part of a complete loadout July last year.

[@johnmeehan7884]

@@Spurgte Make sense, butt boy

[@sgodraw]

ive skated thunders my entire skate career and on top of grinding perfect the way thunders make riding a skateboard feels, stepping on my friends indy setups but they feel like a soggy waffle

[@V3RT1C0N]

Indys have this weird like lag to their turns I swear thunders just feel so smooth and surfy

[@dylanfuller8146]

Yup I’ve always skated thunders and probably always will.

[@jeffli480]

That’s not possible….the thunder baseplate reinforces the tail about 1/2” inch less than Indy’s. If you go back to back on the same board, the kicks with thunder will feel more soggy/flex comparatively.

[@sgodraw]

@@jeffli480 im talking about when you roll around on a skateboard with indy trucks, it literally feels like youre pushing a wet sponge around

[@Unfriggginbelievable]

@@sgodraw j

[@samueljamespillar]

I need this in podcast form every 7 days, thankyou.

[@lurkr]

The perfect collab doesn’t exi- 😳😳😳

[@welitty6132]

u right its me and your mom

[@Michael_Wede]

@@welitty6132 destruction

[@dbsuper2928]

BBQ chicken

[@censoredialogue]

as someone who skates Thunders religiously i was so confused about how they didn’t get brought up until 52:37 lmao

[@d_trick89]

I’m confused by Ben’s comment about thunder trucks, where he says 149’s are lower than 147’s, aren’t 147’s lower as they are a shorter axel?

[@yesmaybe630]

@@d_trick89the axle doesn’t determine the height of the truck. Go to the website it has all the measurements pretty much team thunder are 52mm high and titanium and forged hollow are 51mm high in all sizes 8 inch and up

[@badlandssocialclub]

Ok thanks, I'm at 48:42 and almost freaking out about Thunder not being listed/mentioned. Had to check the comments… It's like having the goat debate and not mentioning Lebron. He's not the goat, but he's up there and obviously has to be discussed.

[@trenchcoatkendo]

Full titanium trucks would end up costing like 400 bucks for one

[@rockbandgamer]

You and Ben could be 9 club status if you started a podcast.

[@dadboard]

The nine club did its thing for years and it was and can still be great, but goddamn the “experience” show is so cringy and useless these days, and the regular show is running out of interesting guests, at least to me. It’s like 1 out of 10 episodes I’m somewhat hyped on the guest. If Hater and Ben did a podcast I’d be there no question.

[@galvanizedgnome]

Nine club has been done since 2019

[@Reladan187]

While I agree with you, this would be better. Nine club is running with the same fumes pretty much, and while I have zero things against the dudes that are running it, they are not that interesting and kind of bland

[@fingerboardboi4382]

1 hour with big daddy degros OMG poggers

[@thepancakemann]

Bruh. Ben. Vancouver Carpenter. OG of OG's.

[@pmstuff8420]

I think it's worth mentioning that the GK distruptor kingpins snap in half. I had 2 pairs and 3 of my kingpins broke, it's apparently something that happens often enough that they offer to send replacement kingpins. After it sent me mid-bowl run I kinda replied with "Sorry I don't feel safe riding these"

[@freehammerskateboarding488]

Same thing happened to me. I tried to get a replacement but they never actually sent it.

[@j-mac7401]

Damn it!!! I just put a set on my thunders...

[@pmstuff8420]

@@j-mac7401 as long as you don't skate your trucks too hard or skate bowl or vert you should be fine, otherwise I can't recommend you skating them :(

[@j-mac7401]

@@pmstuff8420 well I guess I'm gonna put them on a cruiser board. I was stoked to use them for slappys but the advice you have given me sounds as though they are not strong enough for that kind of impact ... Appreciate the advice brotha...

[@pmstuff8420]

@@j-mac7401 Slappys sound like they would be perfect with the low kingpin but unfortunately I just can't recommend it. As long as you're not doing any hard carving on that cruiser you should be pretty safe though!

[@ryanleach2174]

I started skating in 1995. Indys were always the best. We used to get Destructos for free from the shop rep. They were fine back in 1999. Grind Kings were always the most expensive trucks or close to it. My friend rode for them and Grind King Skateboards, which was effectively just a continuation of Society Skateboards. The kingpins on Grind Kings would back out or dig into your board if you threaded them in too tight. That wasn't a problem for Daewon who kept them relevant for a lot of years. Trackers were always the bottom of the barrel and cheapest trucks at the shop. Orions were one of the few trucks I actually broke back in the day -- like the hanger and the kingpin. Just horrible trucks that were kept alive by a great team, which included (if I remember correctly) Kalis, Dyrdek, Koston and Berra (before he was so maligned). I never liked Ventures, but the older guys form the early '90s did as they were genuinely lighter than the rest. There were other dodgy trucks from the '90s. Titan trucks actually sold for more than Grind Kings, but were terrible. Recently, I got a pair of the newer Indys with the kingpin that threads into the base plate. They were given to me. They're horrible unless you like the Matt Rodriguez loose-truck approach. You've got to blue Locktit the kingpin if you want it to not back out. I skated with a few people on companies like Royal who'd ride Indys undercover. Long story short, Indys or Thunders. That's the conclusion I've come to after 27 years riding a skateboard.

[@A.D.D.O.C.D.T]

You pulled out some good names there 🤘 I forgot about silver ,grind king and titan trucks.

[@daniiltcs7153]

Sitting at home with Covid and your videos help me keeping my head up and getting stoked for skating after i feel ok again. thank you!

[@Hollywood_breen]

This give me hope for the future of skateboarding on KZbin. Well done all involved, everything said was on the money.

[@samlucas8597]

2:59 You definitely meant Zach Dowdy. I believe Zach Doelling skates for minilogo trucks or something lol

[@giftedhater3087]

Whoops lol

[@18JR78]

Zach Doelling skates loose trucks

[@samlucas8597]

@@18JR78 oh really, my bad.

[@Dieozam]

Regarding Ace turns, they now have hard bushing that are 94A so the stability is way better on those than standard bushings. Hope more people can try those out!

[@jamesl8296]

Thunder Lights are god teir for flatground, prefer them to Venture Lows, Tensor Mag Lights, Mini Logos and Aces. Great VIdeo, the Gifted Hater X Ben Degro-lab is what the skate world needed.

[@Throawei]

40 min in and I'm like wow I've watched this for 40 min. My two faves, naughty and nice... Glad this collab became a thing.

[@asiareeves154]

Oh man Ben degros has held me down this past year of me learning to skateboard. Glad you guys got together!

[@viracocha03]

I gotta say, the Grind King Disruptors are pretty fuckin awesome. Deserve to be higher on this list. Although I did change out the bushings.

[@Gabbycatty]

I agree, I also did the same too lol

[@listerinekiller]

NO WAY LMAOOOOO THE crossover is insane acc smiled seeing the thumbnail for this just recenty came across your channel but been a longtime fan of Bens, glad this happened

[@darkmagician6688]

Love the synergy between you two. Side note: I remember when I was 12 I had my first real board, a black label green elephant deck and a set of Webb trucks. Best looking trucks ever, they were yellow and they looked so awesome. Good talk from both of you! One Love!

[@zackphy]

Titanium will never work for grinding. In the knife industry with high end Titanium liner lock knives they always put a steel lockbar insert where the Titanium would meet the steel blade so it doesn't stick. Titanium is notoriously sticky against steel and there's no way around it. My ZT 0562ti full Titanium edition has the steel lockbar which makes it buttery smooth when unlocking. Titanium is even kinda sticky in the hand as well. So it's kinda surprising they made a full Titanium truck meant to grind against steel rails when it's widely known it sticks so badly against other metals. They're gonna have to put a layer of steel or something on top of the truck, or blended with the Titanium(though that's very expensive and difficult to do, ie Timascus) or it'll never work. It's probably just way to expensive and difficult to ever work in a truck.

[@mattstevenson1334]

That's pretty interesting

[@zacherynoland8395]

It’s just the axel and kingpin that are titanium. The rest of the truck is cast like a normal Indy

[@matiasgermanenrique2089]

@@zacherynoland8395 He's probably talking about the theeves TiH. Also, apparently it grinds great on ledges, so maybe they're better suited for a street tech skater

[@magnetshoes]

Might as well start a podcast ngl

[@dneck]

plz

[@happyfingers55]

As someone who has been skating almost 20 years and tried almost all truck brands, I always go back to independent and thunder trucks for various reasons. I follow the ben method of setting thunders up with decks that need some more life again. Thunders crisp up the pop and give great stability, but get bad wheel bite. I ride 48mm wheels with thunder and it is great! Independents always feel most like home, and as a 220 pound 6’5 dude, they are most practical for riding anywhere up to 52mm wheels and have the best turn without being too swirly (like ace trucks) for me. I decided to try the destructo mag baseplates 56mm height to stop wheel bite, but I found they don’t turn quite as well as indy, but are pretty close. You just have to throw away there bushings, put in indy bushings, melt some of the pivot cup down, and add wax in there so they (MIGHT) not get stuck when turning. Otherwise, they aren’t a terrible truck. Tensor all terrain trucks are really amazing on grinding concrete, but feel extremely cheap and improper when doing flip tricks. Venture are really stable, and fun to skate when doing manuals, but hesitate when turning and get terrible wheel bite. They also grind ruff. Ace were great when I was younger and swirly wasn’t a big deal (70 pounds ago). The only trouble I had with ace was doing crooks and my truck turning so much that it would slip into nose slide every time. Thinking of trying another set since they have an actual 8.5 size now. Skating 8.38 hangers on 8.5 decks may have been my issue with locking in on pinch grinds with ace trucks.

[@wadym137]

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[@idmhead0160]

What about just adding a 1/8" riser to Thunders to stop the wheel bite. I think that will make them about 1 mm less than Indys.

[@happyfingers55]

@@idmhead0160 I tried that and it does make it perfect height for wheels 49mm

[@idmhead0160]

@@happyfingers55 I'm able to skate 60mm wheels with Indys without much of a wheel bite problem. If I go up to 63 or 64mm, then, I need a 1/8" riser. I think deck and truck width make a difference also. I've mainly been skating 8.25 and 8.5 decks.

[@poetsrear]

This has to be the only skateboarding related video EVER to include the word 'porous'

[@allthegoodnamesweretaken9109]

6:10 that shit caught me off guard lmao i was like no way he coughs like that

[@ianturnbow7011]

Ben’s coughing sound effect gave me new life.

[@MileZeroFilms]

Epic collab. I needed this in my life. I think the weight savings of the Indy Titaniums have more of a place on 159s-169s. I skate 159s on an 8.75 and the Titaniums feel right. Gotta say those Mini Logos turn great, not heavy, pinch and grind great but umm yeah...

[@arc.insight]

Mini Logo? I heard they're good. Like really good. Too good. Send them to the dungeons! 🙃

[@mike16241]

Rode destructo's in the early 2000's and they were amazing

[@kenliesy]

7:31 xDDDD, I'm European and that was funny as fuck. Well done Hater.

[@spencerpatton667]

I love the Aera feature lol, lets not forget the DH scene. We pay 600 for a set of trucks. And still go on to spend 200 bucks on bushings. No I'm not joking.

[@kasonvonder]

When Ben speaks we listen

[@herbie-s1g]

i feel like the avenue sus trucks have a place for a filming board build with some fat soft wheels it would be kinda sick

[@bennyshambles]

Ben’s Canadian perspective is just so… hate free and polite.

[@billsbile5965]

dude i love this collab so so much my favorite youtubers in one vid. sick man

[@burnspll103]

I can definitely vouch for mini-logo trucks. Honestly some of the best feeling trucks I’ve ever skated

[@j-mac7401]

Mini Logo is a decent truck damnit! I need a nap after watching the video....

[@lazyk1751]

As someone who’s currently in the midst of truck madness, both you and Ben will be getting a bill from my shrink.

[@rmhfpv9225]

when you edited the audio of Ben's cough. Subtle genius fucking gets me.

[@ZackDowdy]

Pulled a Mikey Taylor 😂 shout out Bennett for inspiring all these trucks! This was great.

[@caseycameron5370]

I watch all ya videos that tip for tail block was invaluable so thankyou sir all the way from Australia 🤙

[@ethanfulton9659]

Dude I was literally wondering where the thunder trucks where!!!lol!!! What a comeback for the Thunders!!!

[@ianblackburn2645]

So gassed that Ben degros gave tensors some props, the regular atgs are so nice to ride

[@KevinNiceTry]

I wish they would make the mag light without hollow kingpins and axels. I love the grind of the magnesium. No wax, no problem. Haha.

[@brienbeltran8722]

Hearing Ben say dude it’s exactly like a cyber truck made my year

[@TheHoodBillNye]

The fact that I’ve been looking at trucks all week so I can get new ones today 🤣 and then I see this video

[@coreygolpheneee]

The suspension trucks are brilliant but as you guys pointed out, the confounding variable with a suspension truck is that on something like a car, that axle doesnt have to acutely slide on a surface like a skateboard axle does. It's hard to protect anything more complicated when the simplest system still demands replacement as it does with a skateboard, personally if you had suspension the smart thing to do would be to go back to copers basically, come up with a way to mount a slide plate of metal that is fucking perfect and a lot of the problems would be solved, but that requires automotive r and d that skateboarding doesn't have the money for right now.

[@PsychedToSkate]

Missed opportunity not discussing the Grind King Kreper truck. Truly the Frankenstein of the truck world.

[@TrevorCanToo]

Just looked them up and holly fuck

[@lochieaxon]

this is the video im referencing from now on regarding trucks, thank you benny and the jets

[@Robebabu]

I skated some Krux briefly in the early 2000's after getting them from a friend, after breaking my trucks. I remember being confused by how loose they were, but they didn't really turn much. Had to tick-tack like a MF with those. They were pretty tall too, but they could grind. Glad to hear nothing's changed, lol. That hole is so enticing, though.

[@oopsydaizi3s824]

I bought krux trucks just to see what the hole did. Turns out it was a bottle opener

[@Asger009]

9:33 I was drinking an ice cold refreshing Dr Pepper the other day

[@LilCrispyBoi]

I loved every second of this.

[@jimcetnar3130]

Literally have rode Destructos since like 06. And just picked up another pair today 😅

[@undergroundgettingheard8472]

Every kid from 2002-2006 wanted destructos because bam was on the team lmao

[@oopsydaizi3s824]

I started skating in ‘08 and still wanted them haha

[@Bezulyn]

Thunders with bones hardcore bushings are perfection.

[@Lukelouden420]

WE NEEDED THIS

[@MultitaskingGuy]

Collab of the decade. Now we need JoaRat

[@christian-vr9gv]

hiftedgater blessed us today

[@johnnypea43]

I like Ted DeGros. He seems Canadian, but I'm not going to confirm that.

[@johnnypea43]

15 minutes later and I find that indeed he is! Nice.

[@tommy2jzboom977]

The chemistry between these two🥰

[@cheesefanman2391]

Thank you Ben, for coming on and sharing your wisdom about trucks with Joa and I, and everyone else.

[@galvanizedgnome]

Monster trucks, Titan Ti lights, destructos, Fury, Webbs

[@JohnWBlair82]

I had a pair of Orions in the mid 90s. they were my favorite truck at the time. They didn't always have the same hanger. They were closer to the ACE look is now in the 90s

[@arty5107]

Ayo Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro!

[@full6330name]

All these bottom trucks have nothing on Element trucks. When I first started skating Element was huge so I wanted everything with that logo. Yes,even the trucks... The guy working at the skateshop straigh up tells me to not buy these. He's trying to push me away from them but I was determined to be all Element head to toe. The next day I go skating and the front trucks literarly splits in two pieaces lol. I was a skinny kid,skating flatgrant and they exploded on me.

[@KevinNiceTry]

My two favorite skate youtubers collaborate, amazing! I love the grind of tensors but they are light and take a lot of adjustment. I wish they made the mag light without hollow axels and kingpins. It would make them a touch heavier and stronger. They turn great in my opinion and one of the best for manuals. Plus I like being in the naughty category haha.

[@samboyd2999]

25:52 I made the mistake of riding Krux K4 for a while and can attest that mine felt slow too and I found out why. The way that mine were cast had imperfections and metal burrs where the axle met the hangar. They were literally digging into my bearings creating friction and destroying them. So they slow you down and have the absolute worst turn ever. The pivot cups also fit super poorly and blew out insanely fast. I will never skate Krux ever again.

[@dylaytch]

I went and spent every lost dollar I had for rent to buy a new phone just to watch gifted hater on

[@jasonoson_]

The most legendary and important collab of all time i stg 🙏🏽🖤

[@baggytony]

Thunder gang ⚡️

[@plizzle]

the collab we've all been waiting for.

[@johnnyyanucci9633]

So much sexual tension

[@jedlynch4820]

I broke a royals base plate on flat as a kid . Went to the skate shop and they gave me another one. Half cabbed off a 3 foot dock and broke another one. I did not ask for a replacement after that. Thunder hollows for life

[@jedlynch4820]

My current pair are 3 years old and should last another 2 years of heavy grinding.

[@skatingwithcalhoun5238]

I agree 💯 about Krux in lethal injection the worst trucks is history ... Holy shit ...

[@npeelee]

I agree, I broke the kingpin while being a beginner learning how to skate lol

[@jouhajohnny]

@@npeelee Hahaha no way

[@canduelyep2410]

This is way more fun to watch than it has any right to. Loved it

[@KingQuueef]

why no thunders ?!?!?!?!?

[@DarkoNomad]

I'd say that Thunders are great for skateparks (great pinch, low trucks, not so meaty) , Aces for bowls (great turning) , Venture for stairs and gaps (turns hard, hanger geometry and wheelbase) , Slappys for curbs (really meaty and turning well), Tensor Mag lights for kids and elderly (very lightweight and slide easily) but Independent are probably the best overall (jack of all trades, master of none). Every other is not worth consideration nor discussion.

[@adamchik4885]

NO WAY. BEN IS MY FATHER

[@fiore_adriano]

I'll stick to my Indy Hollow Standards. I'm happy I don't have to skate anything else 😂. Great video guys.

[@louielouielouee]

You should expand your tier list format to other similar ideas… like venn diagrams

[@stusux]

Old guy speaking here.... Venture lows were always my go to coming up to my peak skateboarding. Then Monster skate trucks came out. Obviously, they have disappeared since the early 2000's but they were some awesome trucks imho. I never had a problem with them until injuries happened, not truck related.