How Different Brand Trucks Effect The Leverage Of Your Pop! - Paul Schmitt

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[@SigHDucK5]

Ben Degros needs to be in on this conversation.

[@sk8mafia214]

Definitely! He’s helped me a lot with paying attention to my setup

[@memorysometimers3067]

“..fingers of flat” !!!! 👍

[@fingerboards8405]

Agreed

[@foreroa]

Yes, but I'm pretty sure Ben learned a lot of what he knows from Dr Paul's write ups... including the term "fingers of flat".

[@SigHDucK5]

When you have 1 deep nerd talking, everyone is in awe and thinking. When the dialog begins with 2 deep nerds, that's when ideas really get flowing. (Or everyone else tunes out LOL)

[@anthonymangia8890]

Yall need to get Ben Dregos on this show! He's no pro, just your average skater.

[@radio-friendlyunitshifter4670]

His brother is a former pro and Lakai Canada rider, so I’m sure they could get both of them on for that reason alone

[@notoneperson6]

@@radio-friendlyunitshifter4670 agreed !!

[@jacklouerskates]

Yes he goes super in-depth on trick and on how stuff affects ur skating

[@thinkforyourself5672]

Do itttt please

[@kkricket1968]

Get him in hereeeee

[@DGS2605]

No wonder I can't ollie yet! It's 100% the brand of trucks I ride and absolutely nothing else!

[@NotoriousNUGS]

This is something as a kid I never really thought about and how much these little things can affect the way you skate. We just got stuff we liked threw it together and skated.

[@cheddarballs864]

And never thought much into how harder some tricks were on our new setups

[@tresfordays9644]

Same, never thought about it growing up, we all just accepted like “hey, got a new board, gotta get used to it”, now days I can set up a new board and feel completely comfortable cause I finally have consistency with everything I like to skate

[@gnarshread]

I do motorcycle track days and this is sooo similar to suspension setup. Everyone's body mechanics and style is different so there is no right or wrong answer. I love it.

[@geeezhall5374]

There's a brand of trucks called Avenue that are suspension trucks. I love them.

[@evanjolley1279]

you can lose ur mind into board ocd with thinking about this too much

[@WHDRWN]

deadset

[@ChadRexlogan]

Im in the deep end 😭 I’m on my 3rd full setup up and they all suck

[@ChadRexlogan]

@@fasi247 I had a break through I still suck but I had a break through ,WHEEL SIZE.

[@domersimpson2844]

@@ChadRexlogan just picked up a 20 year old board for 10 bucks on marketplace and im happy with it

[@From96TilDeath]

Tell me about it 😂 I’m not as bad as before but I catch myself getting particular about my trucks. Now I just worry about if I can get them loose as shit

[@richardrockhound6554]

I could listen to this for hours man.

[@Dav2112]

Was just about to post the same comment, love listening to stuff like this.

[@richardrockhound6554]

@@Dav2112 its interesting to look at something we all know from the technical experience of physically skateboarding through a physics and engineering lense. For example the tight vs loose bushings impact on truck angles - we all know its easier to tre flip with looser bushings but (I at least) never thought about what's actually happening.

[@benjaminpotts2097]

Wooo 'skate-science' knowledge level up!

[@stilton946]

So relaxing

[@jackdanok]

Love Paul Schmitt !!! Love how skateboarding is still all related to mathematics !!! I always loved skateboarding and as a grown up engineer, I love skateboarding NOW even MORE !!! Thanks Paul !!!

[@williamrafter2312]

Crob kills me. To the skate caddy “hmmm, gimme my wedge truck”

[@SONOFABITCH]

Rodney Mullen watching this: Well yes obviously.

[@jayhari1713]

I JUST put new Independents on my new DGK board and, god damn, I shredded the bushings by tightening the fuck outta them before "breaking em in." Lesson learned lol

[@travispreble]

38, just got back into skating after taking a decade off... After having salted for 20 years straights. (life, married, kids, got fat, the whole shabang!) Anyways, this is like therapy to me. Exactly what I need in my life right now.

[@brendanlovestoeat]

Hope you’re still shredding bro 🤙

[@berniemackattack86]

37 here I've had a cruiser board for the past few years but getting a set up together for tricks. Haven't really done much tricks since like 2012-13 on a death wish I was gifted and was later stolen. . Keep shredding bro 🙏🏽💯

[@rlight7198]

Doc should have a skate shop where they list the boards with best option trucks for that board.

[@From96TilDeath]

I feel like certain shop owners are pretty good about knowing size and options. The only place you’re gonna have real trouble with it is the mall 😂🤷‍♂️

[@centipedekid9824]

The pivot cup normally causes squeaking after a while. I found that putting a little wax shavings in it solves the problem.

[@manuelmendoza6124]

The wax trick works good. A little dab of dish soap works great as well

[@cheothegeo2742]

@@manuelmendoza6124 i'm gonna try that lol

[@AlumarsX]

Hasn't worked in my thunders with bones med. Might try the washer lol

[@grutfrut5817]

Did that just yesterday. My life is so much better now !

[@matthewroberts6786]

Squeaking comes from pivot cups. Ace Trucks don’t squeak, never. Indy’s-upgrade those pivot cups.

[@nicolobalestrino]

This is the kind of talk needed, not the bullshit you hear again the skateparks growing up

[@iloveesskateboarding4014]

Paul is a treasure, protect him at all costs

[@flatgroundtv7097]

This is a much watch. Thank you for sharing the knowledge.

[@Bravo-Too-Much]

The pivot cups are what typically squeaks loud. Put wax or some low viscosity oil in the cups and the squeaking will almost certainly stop. Knife lubricating oil or gun oil works well and you don’t have to take the hangers off like you would wax. Wax lasts longer though. Best option is wax when you set up and dab oil periodically.

[@PhysifistEngineering]

Prothane suspension grease. Literally designed for this very purpose.

[@anhiirr]

gonna have to try this out on my stage X its on 2 year old conicals and squeaks like a birdnest. But i kind of like it like an old ship

[@insanogeddon]

Just simplest cheapest most natural soap shavings work. Or graphite powder is amazeballs to remove squeak instantly but gets messy rubbing it all over your bushings and pivot cups. Tool oils can degrade them over time.

[@Airik1111bibles]

The squeak is coming from the pivet cup ...How do they not know this 🤔 Put wax in your pivet cup that little plastic thing opposite side of your kingpin KELLY .

[@trevorjacques5287]

Super fascinating, really enjoyed this!

[@dangengskate7374]

Glad he gave a shoutout to downhill skateboarding (11:00) and all the truck ingenuity going on in that niche of skateboarding. Seriously some of the most well thought out and creatively designed trucks in all of skating right now. Mad scientist type of stuff. Makes sense though, most downhillers I know are crazy gear heads lol.

[@huntergibson9359]

As a downhiller that recently spent $500 on trucks, I can confirm this. The real crazy ones are Rojas, $1300 and they look spaceships.

[@justinanderson3180]

Jeron must be 1 of the 10 people that still ride royal's on this earth

[@TheWavetwister]

The only people that ride royals get them for free.

[@justinanderson3180]

@@TheWavetwister half the time the riders won't skate royals haha koston always had ad's riding other brands while on them.

[@user-oz5xb9ed3w]

i’m another

[@Americansikkunt]

I grew up hearing “royals are great” Is that true, or are they crap?

[@jesusdelvalle8502]

LMFAO..true royals or orion trucks!

[@sidwellsk8er]

Professor Schmidt is bar none one of the most important people to our sport that isn't a professional skater. He makes it work and he does the thinking so that the skaters can focus on the skating. These guys and the pros we know and love don't have to know all this knowledge but they put all of his knowledge in praxis without realizing the delicate idiosyncrasies involved.

[@32srt32]

roger is the only one that really understands prof. schmitt. the prof. is talking about wheelbase and kelly is trying to talk about width of trucks for flip tricks. and chris is just lost! Dubs is silent.

[@steev1290]

Dude yeah look at Rodger at 7:40 , Kelly literally didn’t understand what prof was saying 😂

[@TimHesse]

Well crib is calling his board a fucking paddle board…

[@jeffli480]

@@steev1290 It blows my mind how they know so little about the board they're riding, the one tool they're basing their entire income and life off of, and yet they're getting it done haha. I would trade all my technical board knowledge to be able to fakie tre like Kelly any day...

[@Lionel_tig3r]

@@steev1290 to be fair tho I get what kelly was saying he was saying in a hypothetical sense what flips best. May or may not be an answer. Like in theory wouldn’t a smaller board flip better? I think he was jus askin in theory but worded it dif

[@steev1290]

@@Lionel_tig3r yeah I get it. The only thing is that it felt like professor wasn’t understood through the ep and rarely was able to elaborate on his research

[@sa-lt8ks]

The science of skating. Man everything that made me good was me being poor. The smaller trucks on a bigger board. I had ventures now I ride indies. I made a stop at thunders and everything he says is true. I need to make a stop at the skate professors spot and I can defiantly say I don't have grinds on rails like I did when I was younger. Now I'm a transition goblin. But this makes hella sense.

[@paullucci]

I’m happy to see that people who are much better at skating than I am still have these issues dialing in their set up at times

[@bsiccs]

I was throwing washers under my trucks to make them turn with a lower “caster” angle for snappier turns with less lean. Sorta like a longboard type thing, but it would probably balance out on a longer wheelbase? I like snappy front turn and shallow rear turn- it just works for my weight and balance I guess.

[@carlosreira2189]

Old fogies will remember the Tracker Sixtrack. Most vert skaters used it, and practically the whole Bones Brigade. But they didn't turn. Looking at them in pictures (don't have mine anymore), they were unusual in that the pivot bushing was bent on an angle, making the hangar effectively raked (?) All trucks that came later pretty much followed after Independent--Thunder, Venture, Ace, Tensor, the list is pretty long. Anyone remember the Variflex Connection truck? It was the first reverse kingpin truck. Very cool. And they worked really well.

[@berniemackattack86]

Remember Webb trucks around 1999 -2002 ??

[@signalpathproductions]

the science of a skateboard ! i kinda needed to see this! thank you

[@stevennorthcut9860]

Man you 9 club dude's are putting some real quality skateboarding scientific interviews. This is a NBD interview. Thankyou fellas. Nice 2 know facts. Not just some random dude at a skate shop telling you some complete bullshit.

[@tradingpoker1324]

Very interesting. I wish I had known all these variations back when I was skating daily.

[@AlexNiedt]

Love this stuff! About to try the washer flip with my Bones bushings.

[@Skateboardin1278]

I’ve been skating for 14 years and I‘ve never seen anyone get substantially better because they „fine tuned“ their setup. I’ve seen a lot more people who started thinking too much about their setup to the point where it affected their skating negatively.

[@lamBETTERthanY0U]

Exactly. This dude could barely skate on his best day it’s all just a gimmick. He’s wearing a lab coat ffs

[@jphjphjph]

I would say just sticking with a consistent set up will help your board feel

[@dutchmaster2135]

ishod is really particular about his setup

[@foreroa]

I agree that anyone can get used to any setup but certain set ups can make a specific trick substantially easier. For example I used to ghost pop a lot on nollie tricks...not understanding that I was using 55 mm tall trucks with steep nose. Switched to low trucks and all of a sudden ghost pop gone. Set ups really can make a difference.

[@aaronkirchdorfer7779]

@@foreroa what the hell is a ghost pop?

[@CoDnChill]

Meanwhile Daewon be like: what are those bushings you guys talking about? 😂

[@sharkoboyo]

Best episode so far 👌

[@CommanderMinecraft69]

Need more legends on here before more of them die. Could you imagine how crazy a nine club with Jake Phelps would have been

[@MrBluntNose]

With regards to squeaky trucks, sometimes it's the bushings, but sometimes it's also the pivot cup. I just put a couple drops of oil on each pivot cup while the board is upside down and squeeze the trucks side to side to work it in. Squeak gone within seconds.

[@ivangutierrez7019]

I like the weight and the wheel base length of a venture 5.6. The weight and the far wheel base it has maes for the perfect pop and float time in the air when I’m doing Ollie’s onto higher rails (especially for board slides). But I switched to thunders 148s because I like the lowness when doing grinds but not so much for popping. So I fixed the pop of my thunder by using a deck with a steeper tail. But I was having trouble with how light thunders are and it was popping way to quickly. So I switched to a 14.38 wheel base and it’s feeling pretty dang solid now👍🏼

[@svnbit8408]

Did you have too much flat before the kick? It's been so long since I skated that I want to try thunders or indys, (embracing the suck anyways why not and it's been that long I used to ride 5.0s and 7.75 decks, going for 8.25 at least and remember the 5.2 ventures I was pinching fs crooks far easier) but I've found that most decks are suited to indys that they'll mostly work out and finding a deck that won't be dead pop on thunders is harder to find. Even just searching I think a lot of pros that ride thunders they're riding special designs and their retail decks are more middle ground. Frustrating.. did you find that's a consistent wheelbase that gives the deck a consistent kick characteristic that you're comfortable buying sight unseen? I was thinking of just trying all of the new tech, and a lighter deck, titanium thunder truck and wheels would be too light, that I'd have to find a heavy wheel to have the mass to flip or flick the deck, but that's just an assumption, I was waiting for titanium's to return and got lost again and forgot about skating. Don't get me wrong when I do get there I'm gonna fall in love again and my wife will be missing me a lot more lol. On the flip, I was stoked on the inverted Indy mids, but they're coincidentally the heaviest truck that I was waiting for the hollow pros to get some weight off, but in thinking for example pretty much any Santa Cruz vx or powerply deck and im good with indys due to distribution, aside from maybe tom astas decks that might come retail setup for thunders since hes the exception. I think manufacturing has gotten a lot better where single press or press referenced wood isn't the gauntlet of soggy pop quitters that used to plague me when choosing one. I'm definitely excited to try all the gimmicks out of the gate. stuff like vx impact sound like I can remove one variable that I'm going to need more than ever, pop.

[@leftysr2stupid354]

I need to get some new bushings..

[@drbosommd]

I love this guy.

[@seanwilson2452]

We are all nerds for this shit and I love it.

[@nicoluminous]

Love these dudes

[@chadbalkwill6025]

put small amount of wax or grease in the pivot cup to stop squeaks!

[@stschannelt1476]

I hate squeeking thanks man bear! 🐻

[@justjuIius]

I started with tensor trucks especially the magnesiums because i watched alot of daewon song but still use them because im used to them but never considered how they felt they're just light.

[@onymousofmoonrift3486]

this dude is a legend, still have my original yard stick board..

[@STEEL4122]

This guy is a genius, I could listen to him talk all day about skateboards

[@sirhcortsac5082]

It’s interesting to see street skaters talk about split baseplate angles for the first time coming from downhill where splitting baseplate angles is just basic 101 theory.

[@colinfruend5537]

When the Professor speaks... you LISTEN. So much knowledge in that man's head.

[@chriswalker5385]

Love this!

[@lukewilkinson2910]

I’ve skated my indy’s for nearly 2 years, and my bushings have had no issues. Idk if it’s because I have really loose trucks or maybe I just don’t skate hard enough hahahaha

[@MrPDTaylor]

Ben Degros on the show!

[@rivera8545]

Most probable case for Bushings "blowing out" early is the result of adjusting the bolt of your truck to your comfort first; before riding the truck as manufactured and "breaking in" a couple easy riding sessions. Install trucks and ride, afterwards it's safe to adjust(loosen or tighten) to your riding comfort. Whats happening is the new bushings have a steady force set when manufactured. That force compresses the bushing and is sort of "cured" to that orginal force. Therefore, if the bushings don't get broken in gradually, they will be introduced to a drastic de/compression stress too soon which will effect the polymer tensile strength, cause premature hairline splinter fractures, and the fracture will increase after a couple of session. Another way(pre-setup), to avoid the stress shock, is to loosen the bolts all the way and leave decompressed for a couple days then adjust. In short, the bushings are made of polymers and have a tensile and glass transistion index which keep it/polymer linkeage stable and the material molded until the physical properties of the material are subjected to its stress max/min e.g. place the bushing in the freezer for a day and apply the force, they will crack. Add excessive heat near the melting point of the polymer and they will be like gummy bears.😁

[@yes11889]

But see that's not the always the case I skated my thunder 147 stock for 2 and half months never touched that bolt once cause I didn't feel like I needed to I don't weigh lot I don't skate big drops most stress I put on the bushings is I guess landing Ollie's or maybe landing awkwardly so how did my back bushing explode? I was thinking either low quality bushings or maybe it's me idek just kinds looking for an answer that's why watched this video I want to try that double washer thing but idk if I should just get bones bushings I just know those will change how my thunders feel which Iove I didn't even know my bushings was spilt until I looked at it

[@thehermanli]

I want to see his reaction to Andy Anderson's setup!

[@typerightseesight]

independent vert. thunder. street. venture. park. tensor. wood pallets.

[@cristhofervaleriano5237]

I have powell peralta biss size 8.25 and dgk 8.38 What trucks should I buy if I skate street and bowl?

[@Tammedwillower]

This guy is….✨SPECTACULAR ✨

[@chrhadden]

i ride indys and bones bushings (hard). i had the problem of my board going left and right and sticking that way. i put my bottom washer back on my trucks like they said to. problem solved. thanks guys!

[@snakefinger]

LoL “angle gauge” aka LEVEL ! 🤣🤣🤣 pass me the lead. The vertical lead.

[@berniemackattack86]

These dudes have been watching too much Theo von clips 😂

[@DustinDollinsShinBone]

I found a set of vintage Tracker Darts and fixed them up recently. They are the best trucks ever.

[@wadeb5042]

Squeaking usually comes more from the pivot cup than the bushings. If you put some wax shavings in the pivot cup, the squeak goes away.

[@sle_epytight]

Crob looked a little shook that Schmitt revealed he has a day job. Always wondered what ppl in the skate industry who don't make a living off of it entirely do.

[@mikehunt6160]

Probably most doesn't seem like a crazy amount of money is there to be made.

[@BenDover-zq6ey]

Ben degros the real skate knowledge goat. Get him on here

[@expertbv]

super cush are bombbbb the clear ones

[@JosephACampbellJr]

After Almost 17 years,you can still learn something every day 🙏🏽❤️

[@mr.channel6467]

I put white lithium grease on my bushings. Not directly on the bushings (although I did rub olive oil on them) I put The lithium grease on all metal surfaces that the bushings sat on. Turned out real great little messy at first but the trucks bend smooth without any squeaks.

[@nukeman360]

just put a lil wax

[@afewthebrand]

I want to ride a symmetrical board! One of my favorite skate subjects is personal preferences on boards. How'd the washer change go?

[@patswayze7359]

Ya Ben would Be a good one.. love his chanel.. swayze skates

[@denistalbot1829]

Thanks really interressing

[@Sproutt]

What do you giys feel about rucks trucks bushings i have the white stock bushings and they sound like i have a crack in the board.

[@jonathanginofilippi]

The fingers of flat is essential to me now, i only like maybe 2, many boards are 3. I once had a random setup and it ollied up hard for some reason, just pushed me up because of the angles and maybe a large nose? It was like it boosted me up! I know that setup is everything. I wedged myself into a half size smaller shoe, and now my 8.25 is like an 8. You: Try a steeper board, you might like it.

[@stealthcamo712]

While listening.... I feel the same spirit of the conversation about firearms. SO, many things can change the shot pattern. --- Building my first board.

[@abdlh987]

So far the best truck with a good stock bushings are destructo, they doesn't squeek even after 6 months of usage. But i guess if you're not a tight truck rider. I usually tighten the trucks nut till the king pin is just nice at the surface of the nut and doesn't protrude out.

[@jesusdelvalle8502]

LMFAO.destruco still around? Member tensor trucks...so WACK

[@wills242]

How did I not know about skate doctor. This guy is so sick.

[@sk8-brd-bus124]

We got you on the bushings. Just book our mobile skate shop for free to any LA County Public Skate Park. Prof. Schmitt is the man. A true skate scientist and encyclopedia of skate knowledge.

[@nathanielrodriguez3205]

I can’t wait for them to play hahaha

[@typerightseesight]

This reminds me of lows and high's which they don't make anymore because the width got so big they quit making lows. but you can still get forged. baseplates. given a few millimeters smaller. not quite the same as it was but.

[@fernandoreyes680]

Venture still makes highs and lows

[@tatplug]

Tensor still makes lows

[@typerightseesight]

@@fernandoreyes680 they all do but im 6 foot tall now and they only carry the 8 inch lows. and most shops on the east coast dont carry lows at all. they dont make them in 8.5 inch trucks and my knees hurt if i skate anything skinnier.

[@typerightseesight]

@@tatplug yeh, but only at shorter wheelbase.

[@JOConnor1992]

Ye need to get a Sammy Baca episode!!

[@juanmibro4296]

So what board brands should I ride if ride Indys or Thunders?

[@robweissman5952]

Ben Degros should get an episode here.

[@Bb186fo]

Wait.. chris Robert's is a carpenter?! 5:51 never knew that!

[@chrischarla424]

crob day job reveal?

[@Bb186fo]

@@chrischarla424 I'm thinkin so! Lol

[@ofizzy]

Paul is the best! Could listen to him forever.

[@djilly75]

If your bushings are blowing out your tightening the truck before the new bushings are broke in. Ride it for awhile before tightening

[@andresarregui3417]

been hearing this nonsense all my life. So you just ride with loose trucks until they get soft? hahahahaha!

[@joshradelaide943]

My board is a hybrid between Kelly and Chris. It squeeks like crazy, and it's always blowing out bushes 🤣

[@Fortuna_716]

The squeaking of from the hanger cup, put a little grease In there and it will stop

[@clifford_2zero7]

How about a wheel tech guy? Im geekin out on wheel shapes and im not so positive its a HUGE deal. On my 8.5 i have bones v6 wide cuts so the board doesnt hang over as much on grinds but obviously a .5cm wider width (2.5mm on each side) provides more grip and less slip. But not just that but the shape beyond the contact patch. The contact patch seems more common sense to me but whadddaikno🤷‍♂️😅😅😅 What is truly best for grinds?coping?powerslides/blunts?flips? Etc. I think it would be awesome to have tech episodes where we talk about the differences in gear. Have an expert on. Ask pros about their experiences we can all take something from it even anecdotal ya know

[@jj61051]

This made me rethink every set of indys I ever had. I am going to try the washer trick.

[@shitfer]

I'm trying to understand where Paul says to put the washer. On top of the bottom bushing? Will the nut eat into the top bushing with no washer? Andy Anderson mentions in a video that someone did this for him. He couldn't explain it either. This stuff is fascinating to me.

[@jj61051]

@@shitfer Base plate, washer that bones bushings come with then bushing then the truck hanger top bushing then the nut with no washer. It looks a little weird but works. I like the bones hard mainly because I am a big guy.

[@anhiirr]

it helped when i tried adapting the cylinder bushing which never took for me. I just stick with the conical bushings and the mids bc theyre the old stage 9/X height. The trick does work though if you ride the 55mm highs and a cylinder bushing but dont generally like the stage XI. Removing the bottom and if you have the old bones top washer they give in their sets lying around going no washer helps if you liked the old indy feel...though the reps say the washers genuinely keep the truck functioning as "designed" w.e that even means AS i see it it was made with a "NO hang up yoke" for kids that dont want to learn the hard knocks of air dropping into a QP/bowl.

[@nicolaitalley9584]

"There's no solutions only tradeoffs."

[@idmhead0160]

Ok, everything you just said makes sense. Now explain Daewon Song with no bushings. 🤣

[@darthsunny6430]

I also Skate Royal Trucks and like yourself i don't use a washer on the bottoms ...ever. I would strongly suggest using doh-boys bushings. havn't had an issue since

[@G3T_R3KT_XM8]

These are the best trucks hands down on the market! The Thunder Titanium lights i have the 147's also i own the Independent forged titanium 144's both are amazing trucks lol had to have them both! Btw my Thunder titanium lights 147's are customized with all custom titanium hardware from Japan! Here's what's on the truck? It has 1 top titanium bushing washer cup, and it has 1 bottom titanium bushing washer cup/2 Titanium hollow kingpin's/2 Titanium kingpin nuts/Titanium 7/8ths Allen key hardware/4 small titanium nuts that screw on the 7/8ths hardware /4 titanium Axle nuts/Tekton Precision-Profiled XT Steel bearing Spacers/Bones hard bushings/Riptide pivot cups/Bones Swiss Ceramic bearing's/Powell Peralta Dragon Formula Green Dragon 52mm wheels. The titanium hollow kingpin was installed by my local skateshop if anybody interested in buying a titanium hollow kingpin that's actually hard to get! in matter of fact the only comapny i knew that made them were theeve came in a pack of 2 and they were expensive i used to buy mine on Amazon but they are discontinued now. the link is below they will be shipped from japan! stoke-shop.com/collections/all/products/stoke-titanium-kingpin

[@SoilentGr33n]

I've been riding a Shawn Hale Birdhouse 8.5 with 149 indy's since September last year and I would in fact like my ollies to pop earlier. Gonna try a flatter board first then move on from there.

[@thinkforyourself5672]

Same setup here bro lol. Dixon or Walker 8.5 Birdhouses with 149 Indys. Bottom stock indy washer, Top Bones hard Bushing with both washers on. And 54mm Spitfire Conical Full or Bones STF 54mm V6. I have to say I like the shape of the Conical fulls more than any other wheel. What size wheels are you riding? And stock bushings?

[@thinkforyourself5672]

One more thing since it sounds like you like the same setup as me. Try a Welcome 8.5 Ryan Townley deck. His boards are all 8.5 and his personal shape. They're incredible and flatter than what you're riding now. I think you'll be super happy if flatter concave is what you're looking for.

[@SoilentGr33n]

@@thinkforyourself5672 53 mm SMLs conicals 99a I think? I don't want to go smaller wheels because shit streets around here and man do I love carving indys, that's why I figured I'd look for a flatter board first with the same wheelbase. Aftermarket orange cylindrical indy bushings. I always pick a spare pack and there were rumors that stock indy bushings were cheaper than aftermarket ones? so I swapped them out and kept the stock ones are spares. Last setup I had was a Globe G1supercolor 8.1 complete with tensors. I was picking up skating again after fucking 17 years so I figured that would be fine and it was. Getting on top of 1.5 foot boxes no problem like my ollies came back in no time but you could tell this board was tuned. It's a 100$ complete sure, but it's got the right parts combo, it felt nice and the pop was snappy as fuck without too much force. Trucks exploded after 4 months so I loaded up with my current setup which is way heavier so I struggled for a while and I'd like to have some of that feeling back. fucking love skating an 8,5

[@SoilentGr33n]

@@thinkforyourself5672 I'll check them out for sure thanks for the reply

[@thinkforyourself5672]

@@SoilentGr33n, I actually really liked the few SML's I've skated. Same here bro. I quit skating for 16 years. Used to skate 8.0 decks which was big at the time. My friends skated 7.5 and 7.75. Now I skate 8.38, 8.5 and even 8.75s. Wheels I'm the same way. 53 or 54, nothing smaller. But definitely check out those Townley Welcome decks. They're by far my favorite shape of any deck I've skated. The concave is super mellow, the kicks are perfect for me and the shape of the board is slightly different than any other I've skated. They're awesome. Indy 149s, The Townley decks and 53 or 54mm Spitfires, Or the Hardline OJ's.

[@JosephACampbellJr]

We need to discuss leaving boards in our vehicles and them getting weathered twice as fast because of the varying temperature change 🙏🏽🇺🇸

[@user-oz5xb9ed3w]

what’s there to discuss? weather will warp your board, end of discussion

[@matthewroberts6786]

Never leave your board in the car.

[@kkfarmedkk]

They have talked about this. Heck, you should store your board on the ground. Because if you rest it against the wall with ur nose or tail, it can actually mess it up.

[@yes11889]

​@@kkfarmedkk oh really how does it affect it? I do this all time

[@bobbydirtamiyer2151]

Independents were the worst when I was skating. The kingpin was so long that it surpassed the hanger, which made grinding impossible. They also used to slip like crazy and were super heavy. You had to tap your wheel pin back into place after every trick. They were so bad.

[@thebayharborbutcher9115]

What year was this lol because Indy has been one of the best trucks for a long time

[@battleborn7895]

@@thebayharborbutcher9115 probably mid 90s, I started skating in 95 and Indy’s were wide, heavy and the bushings were junk after a few weeks. I’m kind of thinking it had to do with location though, I can imagine places like the Midwest or rural towns that didn’t have the skate scene that socal did got drop shipped a bunch of the same Indy trucks, wide, heavy old stock of crap they couldn’t off in a quality board shop. Some of the boards we had access too were basically in the back of mom and pop toy stores or in a clothing shop in the mall. As this video proves most of the technical aspects probably weren’t even a thought back then. I basically tried to get a 7.5 or 7.62 board and feel out all the parts as I bought my setups. Rode Maples and element boards most of the time due to the weight and massive concave in the boards(at the time) venture lows were good trucks at that time

[@STEEL4122]

I’ve never been a big fan of Indy’s

[@mikehemens9359]

I just had venture 8.75 on a 15.75 wb. I ordered 8.5 ventures for a 15 inch wb just now. Switching from Ace/indy to venture was the best decision.

[@anhiirr]

they simply just BLAST and powerslide like no other truck and its no debate just like how THUNDERS grind metal to metal unlike any other truck. BS airs and half cabs with ventures are just a breath of fresh air i never knew skating had waiting for me. So happy about the 6.1s from a 159 standard rider that cant ride/run the cylinder bushing/55mm stage XI.

[@garrieleepeck8753]

Only thing I miss is Cross bone wheels I loved them miss them to this day

[@alpineflauge909]

awesome content, thank you

[@seantaylor3244]

This guy could read the back of a cereal box and I'd be in!

[@stevebanning902]

AVE alien shapes, 55 mm wheels and Krux 3's... best setup ever

[@barryeverson9320]

Can you redesign the original thunder freestyle trucks ? :)

[@southsideshenanigans]

GET BEN DEGROS ON THE SHOW

[@DemzWonMusic]

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