Gigafactory Berlin - Update 17-02-2020

[@machelvet9594]

1:17 "Gruene Liga, are you aware that you went to court to stop the company that is the front runner for "gruener Verkehr"? They don't use these words. Their mantra is: “To accelerate the advent of sustainable transport and electric technology.” which is basically the same. You just shot yourself in the foot.

[@ManuelBTC21]

But NIMBY!

[@w0ttheh3ll]

the majority of people opposing tesla's factory are not really environmentalists, they're simply conservatives afraid of change.

[@machelvet9594]

@@w0ttheh3ll That's a pretty deep insight you have into that group. I mean, to understand, that someone is not who they say they are, and they don't mean what they say they mean, that requires really intense daily contact with them. You do live in Germany and have daily contact with them, right?

[@w0ttheh3ll]

@@machelvet9594 I live in germany and call myself an environmentalist, but I don't have any contact with that group.

[@machelvet9594]

@@w0ttheh3ll Oh, I see. How do you know they are simply conservatives afraid of change?

[@MrDraco82]

Man kann für vieles sein, in Deutschland ist man scheinbar automatisch aber auch gegen jede Veränderung. Ist mir völlig unerklärlich.

[@typxxilps]

Mir ist völlig erklärlich, das man so etwas Simples für nun "unerklärlich" erklären will. Was soll das, wenn jemand nur den ausdrücklich vorgesehenen Rechtsweg ausnutzt? Hätte man sich früher drum kümmern müssen, Abgeordneten in den Arsch treten und Parteien abstrafen müssen. Unerklärlich is da ja nüscht.

[@eliasneu3412]

Chris P , .."Anti" is halt einfacher, als "Für" ;P Wie in meinem Kommentar schon gesagt, vermisse ich bei vielen Menschen ein "Für" - egal für was... viele wissen immer nur wo "gegen" sie sind, aber nicht wo "für".. Sein eigenes "Für" wiederzufinden ist nicht immer leicht.. aber "gottseidank" wieder lernbar... Wenn man seine ganze Kraft immer für´s "gegen" verschwendet, hat man leider meist keine Kraft mehr, für´s "Für"... Veränderung selbst mit beeinflussen macht "Veränderung" leichter - Also.. - Ideen finden.. ..und teilen.. ..und weiterleiten.. (; bis hin zu Peditionen schreiben... - alles machbar.. (;

[@JohnStockbridge]

Is it possible to overlay the plans for GigaBerlin on the plantation? Might be interesting to see the various buildings matched against the logged areas.

[@mspalmboy]

This would be brilliant if possible please. Thanks for the great video.

[@torstenkuehnel3832]

Dropping the GF4 south east of Berlin reminds my on the candy bomber dropping stuff badly needed - thank you for that ! Me as a German appreciates Elons different efforts very much - we need more poeple thinking and acting like him, here in Germany, too. The Bureaucracy in Germany is quite to heavy. The whole failed airport project nearby tells its own story about that. Imagine what problems arise should one plan to establish a space port ! Boca Chica rulez and welcome Tesla factory !!!

[@waymoot]

Thank you for this. Looks like quite fast going to me. This will be interesting to follow.

[@bernardfinucane2061]

They have to move fast, because it is illegal to clearcut except in the winter in Germany. They have another week or two.

[@jimmccall8030]

Thank you for putting together the videos, images and updates.

[@karenrobertsdottir4101]

Tesla didn't just commit to planting 3 new trees for every tree felled; they committed to planting 3 *hectares* for every *hectare* felled. :) It's a very critical distinction, because seedlings are always planted at much higher densities, which are then thinned (naturally or artificially) over the years; relatively few seedlings survive to become mature trees.

[@funny-video-YouTube-channel]

Good to see that the ant hills will be relocated. Nice for the natural bio-resources of Germany.

[@jeffreyetherton3185]

Yes, but how does someone relocate an ants nest???

[@Wirmish]

Exactly 2 ant hills and 5 bats.... stupidity.

[@no_alias_for_me]

@@jeffreyetherton3185 I saw that once in a video, they use these machines which can excavate a whole tree to replant it later.

[@aussie_al]

I say bring in a truck load of ant eaters. Yum yum

[@AlexanderMeisel]

If you look at the area with Google Earth, the better question of all is: Where was "Grüne Liga" when EDEKA built their huge distribution center, right next to the area where GF is going to be built? A biased mind of so called environmental protectors do all they can, to actually prevent an important step in the 'Engergiewende' (energy transition/turnaround) by trying to stop important projects like this.

[@toddhall7416]

Ok just saw that the German court approved the continuation of the clearing of trees for Tesla. Impressive. Looks like this German court is for real. Hats off to the integrity of the court.

[@CathayanMagus]

They should have referred to the property as a tree farm instead of a forest as that is what it really is. A commodity that was planted to be harvested at a later date.

[@emilsenkel28]

Very nice video, summarize everything perfectly 😃👍 !!!

[@fjalics]

I appreciate the concern for the environment, but we have to balance the local environment, with the planet's many environments. We have to electrify transport, and we can't afford to wait..

[@xbxb]

Yeah. And for the million times, this land is a "TREE FARM".

[@Ar-fy5nc]

@@xbxb this for industry right? and Elon have 1 million donation

[@xbxb]

@@Ar-fy5nc Yes. They argue that it is a forest but in fact it is a Tree Plantation and Tesla will replace every 1 tree to 3.

[@donjones4719]

We don't even have to get to the balance arguments, valid as they are. The company that owned the tree plantation has certainly owned others. How many protests and court injunctions were there when they routinely harvested those? Little to none, I'll bet. But some folks see a big opportunity to put their egos first and make an issue where there is none, because Tesla is a big name. They make a bad name for serious environmentalists, the kind I support.

[@_PatrickO]

@@donjones4719 It is bullshit paid for by other auto companies that want to delay tesla. The goal is to delay until march, so they have to wait another 6 months before they can start.

[@40watt_club]

Ty for your Video. The future of this factory will be interesting.

[@bernardfinucane2061]

The court has ruled that the clearance can continued. The Green Party issued some pretty strongly worded statements about misuse of laws to protect endangered species, including the remark "a pine plantation is not a forest".

[@vuththiwattanathornkosithg5625]

Thank you for the video. Please keep update like the one in China. Much appreciated.

[@daishi74]

All the palm trees in Indonesia and Malaysia are also meant to be harvested and will replant for as long as it takes. So why is EU imposing all the rules and regulations on the palm oil industry. Furthermore, it was the Dutch who introduced palm tree to these countries.

[@ungh8365]

Gorgeous Finnish logging machinery! 😍

[@georgemaximus694]

What a lovely forrest, we need more trees like this here in the US. What are the plans to build more forrest like this here in the US? There’s been a lot of forest fires lately all over the world. Need more trees and greens, which need time to grow. So when do we start planting them?

[@globalko]

It is a planted forest and it was made for harvesting wood, they already promised to replant the trees taken. This was ridiculus

[@hfe1833]

I subscribed this channel due to update for gigaberlin

[@jimlambrick4642]

Notice the regular ruts ...look like lines or ditchs? That is old plowing. This was a plowed field before it was a tree plantation. This piece of ground has probably seen some sort of cultivation for at least a thousand years. ie.it ain't natural. Protesting a factory to build electric cars... ludicrous doesn't quite cover it. Just what would they not protest about?

[@philipstull7629]

Excellent work

[@bikesqump]

TSLA haters will say "so now it's OK to put ants in cages, so cruel!" I am just wondering if there is this much scrutiny when these tree farms are logged normally... do they relocate and replant 3x what they harvest? venture to guess no.

[@tomkpunkt]

Wow, there is so much progress. The drone footage shows, that's not a healthy forest, it's only a tree farm.

[@Wirmish]

Beware, a grasshopper is in the forest. We need to find it before Tesla can get back to work.

[@eliasneu3412]

Schöne Musik zum Video... (:

[@Optasia3D]

Thank you so much for the footage. Hope the stop will be only very temporary. Are they payed by the ICE-car industry? Hard to believe they are a really green community stop Tesla.

[@typxxilps]

The group exists since Berlin wall felt in 1989. The law they used exists since 200x or so and regards all industries or changing in the change of usage even building 1 or 1000 private houses won't work. The judges decide in all cases the same way for years, the judge appeared to work on saturday. The interest group does behave and go to court for decades Who paid you to ask such question ?

[@aussie_al]

Are these laws the reason it has taken over 10 years to build a simple airport which is still not finished apparently

[@typxxilps]

@@aussie_al No, not really. They had an issue like Boeing 737 max. 737 MAX missed a certification and therefore could no longer rely on the certification of 1969 or so. If it now needs a complete new certification - which Boeing always wanted to avoid to rush the plane out - guess what happens: That 202x new certification will have to base on 2020 rules and not the 1969 the 737 max was developed on. 50 years of new security guidelines kick in and 1 major regard the distance of cable to each other particular those in the wing. Imagine to refit all 1000+ x hundred built planes following new regulations inside 2.000+ mounted wings ! Might kill any profit and therefore kill the whole boeing 737 max. If FAA gets under pressure by president Trump the FAA might tend to avoid the new cabling ... but then the European citizens will put highest pressure to no longer accept FAA certificates due to illegal methods like in the past when FAA had sucked and caused 300+ death cause they have not checked the 737 max as an independent agency. Then Boeing 737 max won't be allowed to cross EU air space and airports cause 737max then would need an EU agency certificate based on all 2020 guidelines incl. cabeling. Berlin Schoenefeld had missed the date (in June 2012) and test runs to become a certified operational airport based on (security) rules of date of planning in 2003 or so. Therefore this airport needs a new permission. to become operational but based on security rules of 2012 not 2003. Anything new regarding safety of buildings in 2012 since 2003? Not much except a killing field, a killing field of mines. Since 2008 or so buildings have to use specific dowels that meet new requirements like "can't burn". Imagine you go into any new big US airport already in service and check every big or tiny dowel if it meets 2008 requirements of fire safety then you get a glimpse of the fun they have ... checking every aquarefoot for mounted dowels by pulling each dowel out and replace it. Same for sprinkling automation that then needed a complete new architecture, same for air exchange , .... Boeing can cancel the 737 max plane and develope a new plane and scrap 1000 built planes, but can you scrap a new airport paid from taxpayers money ?

[@SuperGeronimo999]

I wonder what kind of cars these idiots drive...

[@typxxilps]

@@SuperGeronimo999 Forrest is mostly cut now due to new court decision thursday evening... activists use public transportation usually. good public transportation network ... and many use car sharing options bev or ask other car drivers to pick them up It was Tesla's fault to let the tree harvesters camp in front of the forrest days before. That made the people upset and warned them that forrest will be cut so they went to court which is legal. Tesla should simply have ordered 100 tree harvesters that did not earlier arrive or camp before permission was given. Then they had cut the trees in 24 or 36 hours where the forrest protestant would not be able to get a lawyer appointment that then would open a claim on court to get a judge decision ... the 100 harvesters would meanwhile have cut all trees. Tesla needs better lawyers + real managers that would have ordered 100 harvesters that would be hidden until permission had been given. If they don't learn quickly next activist will fight at court for saving a breeding milan, nighthawk or frog that might be protected by law. That's how it works all over germany for 3 decades. And Tesla has to adopt or they will get a new plant but years delayed, not days or weeks.

[@theshermano3000]

Why a company built on entrepreneurial spirit and flying by the seat of their pants, would choose to build a plant in one of the most regulated and restrictive countries in the world, is a mystery to me.

[@eliasneu3412]

Sauerstoff (Wald) is schon auch wichtig, und mir ein Planet der "Morgen" noch belebbar ist auch! .. aber, da dies wirklich "nur" ein Nutzwald ist, und (gerade) auch in Brandenburg viele Arbeitsplätze gut wären, und dieses Werk auch letztenendes viele Arbeitswege verkürzt, weil die Leute einen Standort in ihrer Nähe haben, und dadurch viele Autokilometer eingespart werden, (was wieder gut für die Umwelt ist), Und vergesst dabei auch nicht, dass, wenn Tesla das Werk in Amerika bauen würde, alle hier gekauften Autos importiert werden müssten, und heutzutage ist oft der Im- und Export mit das Belastendste für unseren Planeten..) ... - Ich finde das Werk gar nicht so schlecht... (Klar, mein Traum als Kind war auch schon das Wasserstoff-Auto, oder besser gesagt, das Wasser-Auto, (: , aber soweit sind wir noch nicht.. - also, (; - ab in die Garage und basteln/forschen, wie man Wasser noch zerlegen könnte (in Wasserstoff, und Sauerstoff) :P Und.. IDEEN von mir: Anstatt des ganzen Gemeckeres um das Werk, sollten wir uns lieber dafür einsetzen, dass das Werk architektonisch auch recht grün und ökologisch gebaut werden kann - Das halte ich für Zielführend.. - Nicht immer nur sagen, wogegen man ist, sondern viel besser, wofür man ist ! .. Denn nur das bringt nach vorne ! .. und darauf sollten wir uns konzentrieren.. Man muss nicht alle Flächen versiegeln, man kann Solar-Dächer einbauen, man kann ein paar Windräder mit aufstellen, man kann viele Bäume pflanzen, man kann Fassaden begrünen, man kann Wassersparmaßnahmen einbauen, Abwasser filtern/reinigen etc... etc.. Dadurch wird das Werk natürlich erstmal teurer, aber, je mehr Leute sich für so etwas einsetzen, desto höher Chance, dafür Gehör zu finden.. Und, was das Wasser angeht: Das meiste Wasser wird doch in Deutschland eh für Kaffee, oder Bier verschwendet.. (Die Herstellung von 1 kg Röstkaffee erfordert 21.000 Liter !!! Wasser. Bei 7 g pro Tasse ergeben sich die 140 l für eine fertige Tasse Kaffee. - darüber macht sich doch auch kaum jemand Gedanken..) - Also - nich nur meckern - Ideen liefern !!! (; lG

[@ablam8]

I think a race is on. Musk had cars out the door in under a year in China. Can make it a tie?

[@machelvet9594]

4:44 Damn. There you go. They even protect ants and critters. - I was wrong.

[@steffahn]

AKAIK they are legally obligated to protect and relocate those ants anyways since it's a protected ant species

[@machelvet9594]

@@steffahn Just hope I never step on one by accident.

[@steffahn]

@@machelvet9594 I suppose it’t more about removing entire colonies. Individual ants die all the time :-D

[@machelvet9594]

@@steffahn I know. I was joking. But thanks for taking me seriously. Btw, some of us have been wondering how much longer GF4 would take in comparison to GF3. Protecting ants and owls is obviously one difference between Germany and China. I don't think China would care. (This is just an assumption. - Correct me if someone knows.)

[@steffahn]

@@machelvet9594 nah, China won’t care about animals, I’m pretty sure - nonetheless the factory in China was possibly even harder to pull off than the one in Germany is going to be, since AFAIR they didn’t even really allow any foreign-owned factories in the country before Tesla. I’ll be curiously keeping an eye on whether German courts are gonna decide to allow Tesla to continue before the end of this week. This whole thing may be just a short break.

[@machelvet9594]

Thanks for the video. Please keep us updated. P.S. With the cry for political correctness, I guess you had to put that info in (0:41). "No animals were harmed in the process." might be necessary too??? - Ants and critters not included. (Couldn't resist.) - Love your video.

[@typxxilps]

Too less effort to get it done quickly ... as an Investor they should have had a plan for deception to gain as much time as possible and to contract as many ressources but they failed to use the time window they had gotten ... Now they are learning the first lesson the hard way. They could have realised it also in a different way and letting the seller do the work ... before purchasing. now they are fighting 1 lawsuit and mostblikely more will follow.

[@andrewdavidson143]

Something tells me this is going to take forever

[@thestudentofficial5483]

A small price to pay for salvation.

[@w0ttheh3ll]

From an environmental and quality of life perspective, while we need to drastically reduce the number of cars on the road in germany, it is clear that people will continue buying and using cars for decades. These cars must not be gasoline powered, otherwise it will be impossible to reach a net zero CO2 balance even with massive (and insanely expensive) efforts to actively remove CO2 from the atmosphere. It is also clear that every new car in europe that is replaced with a tesla means less less air and noise pollution and higher safety, thus a lower burden on the public in general, even those who don't use cars (but still pay for health insurance and emergency services, also breathe the air, maybe have a bedroom next to a busy road). I strongly hope that Tesla as a company will accelerate the transition to sustainable electricity generation, so I hope they succeed as a company even though this runs against my wish to see less cars on the road. What's more, Germany is one of the wealthiest countries on earth, and this is based in part on our large auto industry, which is currently in big trouble. If it dies off too quickly this could mean a massive disturbance of social and political stability for all of europe. Tesla's giga Berlin obviously has the potential to buffer this.

[@w0ttheh3ll]

btw, this so-called 'forest' has no significant ecological value. it is a small commercial pine monoculture on poor, sandy soil. we have thousands of these in germany. this particular one is extremely young, and quite polluted, too.

[@suesun7072]

OMG, it gets pathetic! 2 Girl's had to be pulled out of a tree? Folks, the is not Hambi! This is low quality fast growth monoculture formerly for paper production in a heavily polluted area.... Guess why the "Kampfmittelräumdienst" is doing long shifts to clean this area! For the environment, nothing better could be done than sealing this surface tight! Groundwater quality will get a dip up if no more lead and other heavy metals can further seep into the groundwater table!

[@Wirmish]

The Greenwashing Church is POWERFUL ... _and full of crazy people._

[@hamar4422]

This standstill is causing environmental damage

[@Czecher86]

why germany? its expensive nation,should have choose like poland,hungary ...

[@SuperGeronimo999]

Because it has the best infrastructure, they get a big funding by the government, and they have smart people. But this won't be the last Gigafactory.

[@SuperGeronimo999]

With smart people, i mean automotive engineers by the way. No doubt Poland & Hungary have them too, but not in the way Germany does. It's also politically stable (just imagine if they had built in England, not counting to EU anymore) and kinda green energy in comparison with other countries.

[@Czecher86]

@@SuperGeronimo999 and assembly done by polish ppl :) got it

[@SuperGeronimo999]

Ironically you're probably right. It's close to the border, which means they would have cheap assembly AND highly qualified engineers.

[@Czecher86]

@@SuperGeronimo999 Ive worked for Daimler AG and native germans work only in leading positions ,everyone else is from countries around .

[@phillip48ful]

👌✅😁

[@no_alias_for_me]

"Felling has been stopped due to complaints of an environmental group" Yeah, that sounds exactly like Germany / EU.

[@prinzeugenvansovoyen732]

german electricity prices are abhorrently expensive - elon should put a few wind turbines on the land and solar pannels on the roof or a Natural gas + steam powerplant, would be pretty good pr if he can say that his factory is 80% energy independent also german energy net is old and got problems all the time because politics rather invest in migrants and their own pockets than infrastructure and social programms , Elon shouldnt have to deal with infrastructure deficits in germany caused by bad politics

[@SuperGeronimo999]

It will get a solar roof.

[@mitchpowell608]

Weirdos

[@sadigov]

Dumb gerries.

[@himeshreshamiya7830]

All those trees destroyed for a stupid factory lmao

[@Monkeyheadtpc]

Sorry, but the court order is Teslas own fault. From what I understand, the objection period lasts until March 5th. Tesla could have started things earlier given they should know about german laws. Now they are in this weird hurry where they have to clear the forrest even before they have the approval to build their factory. It's not the GLBs fault that Tesla rushed things.

[@quantaca5773]

thing is if they don't finish by march they can't start till september and then probably some other problem will crop up. and accoring to the law you are allowed to start construction before having all "approvals" you just do it at your own risk, now the court stopped it because if they kept going, by the time there was a ruling, there would have been nothing left to protest about

[@HenryLoenwind]

They need two different permits. One for building the factory and one for harvesting the crops that are currently there. They got the latter one, as that is independent of what happens after harvesting.

[@Optasia3D]

It's not a problem of the German law it's a problem of so called green thinking people maybe payed by ICE-car and oil-industry. If they real think green they not go to law and stop a real green company fight for our planet.

[@machelvet9594]

Let's assume you are right. How can it be in GLBs interest to drag Tesla to court? They just scored an own goal.