Gilbert Arenas Defines What Makes An NBA Player A BUST

Gilbert Arenas Defines What Makes An NBA Player A BUST as he, Kenyon Martin and Rashad McCants break down Stanley Johnson's comments about being considered a bust and apply it to their own careers.
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[@georgeparker8198]

I have never heard Kenyon Martin described as a busy despite being a number 1 pick. Because he clearly wasn't a bust. He had a good career with flashes of greatness. A bust is a guy who disappoints so badly that his career is barely a footnote. Kenyon Martin played 15 years and was a important player on multiple teams. He was never a MVP level player but he was a starter for a decade plus. Definitely not close to a bust.

[@blablablabla2572]

Yeah but u expect a first pick to become a star. Kmart was like andrew bogut, never a star but a really important player, not a hall of famer tho

[@CraZzy3n3rGy]

Never have a beard Kmart being labeled a bust. Anthony Bennett on the other hand didn’t even play 2 seasons and showed no flashes of talent

[@xavierb9061]

He wasnt labelled bust because 2000 was worst draft of alltime. Only 2 of first 20 made allstar. Crazy bad draft

[@rellllzzz2473]

Yea I didn't either he got hurt though because he was getting 16-18 with 7-10 boards and played good defense until he got hurt theb he was just defensive mainly

[@IVANOOZE69]

@@xavierb9061 is English your 2nd language?

[@aaronjohnson6622]

I think towards the end they nailed it, "A bust is someone who gave up on themselves."

[@davidchandler6885]

Easy for them to say that, every situation is different, u néd to be little lucky too

[@rapgodreloaded9259]

Kwame has entered the chat

[@St_1786]

​@@rapgodreloaded9259trash doofy,eh Fem...Douche Douche

[@raynordavis9117]

@@davidchandler6885not lucky just cuz you good in college don’t mean that translate too the league that’s what happens if you literally didn’t do shit like at all or ain’t even make it in the league long especially being drafted in the lottery idc wat anyone say that’s a bust

[@brotherLee340]

​@@davidchandler6885for the most part. If you are good, it will show. The greats separate themselves

[@floydturner2957]

Anyone who watched Kenyon Martin played would never think he was a bust. His presence jumped off the screen especially in his prime

[@aadames]

facts

[@Dollar-zb2ik]

Yeah idk wtf Kenyon is talking about…no true bball head considers him a bust lol

[@inmytownW]

​@@Dollar-zb2ikhes a high level bust hisnpeak should've been top 5nba player in his era

[@ldking5132]

top five? Nah@@inmytownW

[@inmytownW]

@@St_1786 breh what language is this written in ?

[@CaliCool91]

Kenyon is 100% right about his All-Star appearances. He would've had more if he stayed in the East. Context matters.

[@stringer2295]

And had Jason Kidd lol

[@MoosePeters]

He should've expanded his game

[@CaliCool91]

@@MoosePeters lol he had plenty game, that was his point during the clip. When he needed to score he could, but that wasn't his role. Prime Kenyon could've been a 18+ scorer if he was fed the ball the same way a Jermaine O'Neal or even McDyss was.

[@shanerobinson925]

@@CaliCool9118ppg ain’t an all star tho lol if Kmart was 20+ at least consistently then he could’ve had multiple all stars

[@certifiedchaos4643]

Yea if he stayed with nets or went to the sixers with iverson things would be different I could see him get two to three more all stars selections making a few all nba defensive teams

[@bryair6163]

Gil is 100% right about the personality that makes a player a bust or not

[@CoolGuy-be1xg]

He’s right 85% of the time

[@Bruno62]

⁠@@CoolGuy-be1xg😂😂😂 definitely lower…65% his tales are outlandish majority of times

[@JCMthebrand]

Oden doesn’t fit this definition

[@carbon.the.christ5626]

Its more about the hype. Not every 1st rounder has hype behind them.

[@JCMthebrand]

@@carbon.the.christ5626 that too! Very good point.

[@jayrebirth7213]

Hearing Rashad McCants talk about himself while everyone else quiet is hilarious 😂😂

[@thebucketmanj8525]

😂😂😂. Talking about he aint no bust. Man please😂😂

[@josefranciscomatosgerman316]

He can’t be a bust if nothing was expected of him

[@PragmaticCardCollectors]

Nobody cared lol 😂 McCan't

[@mrtappingout]

McCant was out of nba in 3 years. Lol

[@iamstix2k88]

@@mrtappingoutwell not out, he chose to make more money overseas which was smart

[@joshuasabater5221]

Gil is the blueprint he clawed his way up the rotation for playing time and made himself into best player on the wizards with pure hardwork and studying the coaches and players around him. More ppl should just keep they head down and grind

[@eboooo]

He wasn't supposed to be a second rounder he played for Arizona when that meant more.

[@jamestownstudios8543]

You ain’t lyin’, Gil come out of nowhere. And he was cooking opponents that were flat footed. And he was so different as a person, he even had his own signature “leatherman” 😂 Dude was a fucking worker!!!

[@JackFendi]

Going into a NBA game drunk as a bench warmer is crazy 😭😭😂😂😂

[@erikayers5643]

Wish he would've put a name on it

[@jamondwilliams9076]

He’s clearly talking about kwame brown. He’s said on numerous occasions that he was a drunk during his time with the wizards.

[@uptownviews]

@@jamondwilliams9076facts

[@TruthSpeaker4]

Actually not wen u think about it 😂😂

[@1kingzeus]

Think he talking about his time in GS not Wizards.

[@StayRilla215]

I've always known KMart was the #1 pick and I've never considered him a bust. He always played hard , got buckets age never backed down. Never considered Camby a bust neither. 2 guys who played in the league when it was at its peak as far as talented PF/C. Sheed Wallace, Shaq, Duncan, Stat, KG, Dirk, Gasol, ZBO, Yao, Jamison , Odom, Elton Brand, Mutombo, J O'Neal , Shareef Abdur Rahim, Glenn Robinson, Glen Rice, Mcdyess etc etc . Last last great era of bigs

[@mikemike7264]

Don’t get how y’all don’t consider C Webb when talking about best pf/c. He was better than Timmy, kg, dirk, z no, Rasheed, amare during his prime. He kind of was in between with the Barkley & Malone era and the kg, Timmy, dirk era similar but c Webb, LJ, Shawn kemp & Derrick Coleman.

[@apolloc3131]

​@@mikemike7264Webb was a shell of himself after 2005. Although I do agree that he should've been mentioned, I think he's forgotten because Kmart is remembering guys after he went to the west which is you guessed it; 2005. He only faced good CWebb in one year after he moved to the west.

[@ricosuavepr1207]

Camby was an injury prone player, but ELITE Defender

[@ricosuavepr1207]

​​@@mikemike7264CWebb was an MVP candidate and on another level than most guys during his time with SAC. He averaged around 24/25-11-5 with 1.5 steals and blocks during his time in SAC. That 2000 year he should've probably been runner up for MVP bc SAC was a doormat before he got there. I remember SAC won about 26 games before CWebb then 27 his 1st year during the lockout season.

[@edwardnigma4087]

@@mikemike7264C Webb should be mentioned but no fucking way was he better than Duncan, KG, or Dirk, talking about 3 guys that are in the top 15 all time players ever!

[@iAintSayDat]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone say Martin was a bust

[@TheSportsandFilmFellowship]

He wasn’t he’s just being humble

[@capitanawesome44]

For what we all thought Kenyon was gonna be. He was 70% of what we expected out of Cincy. He aint a bust making an all star and playing in two finals. But he was a BU

[@JTS1128]

Agreed I didn’t know he was number 1 though But I believe he was all time great I. His prime. Man was big time

[@apierre6]

He was just a very good, but not elite player. I would say he didn't live up the expectations

[@Fayn757]

Why all y’all Keep using the same comment , damn be original

[@fdub301]

Kenyon only making 1 all-star team actually surprised me

[@jcc3333]

Was it during the finals run??

[@eboooo]

He was an All Star his contract year in 2004. But he was the best in his draft class and maximized his potential. A very fine player

[@dmvbawse4265]

@@eboooothat’s saying much bc it was one of the weakest drafts. Stromile swift,Darius miles, Marcus fizer, Mike miller, demar Johnson, Chris mihm, Jamal Crawford in that order were the picks after Martin. That being said smack anyone that calls Kenyon Martin a bust

[@chadrobertson8167]

Me too

[@Gemini050788]

Not when you look at what he was up against in his position out West. KG, Timmy, Gasol, Stat, West, Dirk, KD etc Just too much.

[@MhammadelAmin]

I came simply for Kenyon to say: “you know what I’m sayin” hahaha

[@MPatt2021]

Kenyon Martin far from a bust i never heard that said ever

[@jcc3333]

For being overall #1 pick.. he even said himself... could be considered a bust

[@Kev_-qm1je]

Gil wanted to say Kwame Brown sooooo bad😂😂😂

[@mwnemo]

He couldn’t because he was boosting up Kenyon and McCants.

[@bfryyt3067]

That’s who he was talking about being drunk and getting subbed in the game?

[@buddha4794]

@@mwnemoKenyon wayyyyyyyy better than Kwame and Mccants he don’t belong in dat grouping 😂

[@hakshustletv]

everyone was thinking it lol

[@mobetta2092]

@@hakshustletv to be honest, Kwame Brown has reinvented himself and reputation like a masterful public relations expert….when I now think of Kwame Brown, very seldom is it in a basketball sense including a bust…it’s him being a man who is known for putting the media in their place.

[@SSSMOR.]

Tyson Chandler was supposed to be the next kevin Garnett coming out of highschool I believe Chicago destroyed his confidence offensively and all he had left to stay in the leauge is play defense

[@gregorylagrange]

there wasn't a lot of hype that I know of around Tyson Chandler. But he developed into a good player. Was a key component in Dallas getting their only championship. And not keeping him was a key component in why they haven't come close to getting back. Centers take longer to develop anyway. They can't work on individual moves by themselves like other positions can. Being the biggest on the court they need another big person to really thoroughly work on things. So coming out of high school where it's even rarer to go against a similar size player makes it even worse. Dwight Howard should've played in college. It would've help his career long problem with bad footwork and being off balance posting up with his back to the basket.

[@StinkMello12]

​@@gregorylagrangeChandler was definitely being touted coming outta HS (and was expected to be like a KG). I was in HS around the same time. If not mistaken he also got caught up in all the hoopla around that time around superstar HS players (Bron, Telfair, etc). Anyway CHI definitely fucked his mental up, and his potential. Then he has to rebrand his game as a lank, defensive anchor. 😂

[@delmarfrazier2727]

Being from Chicago, Chandler and Curry was supposed to be the next Scotty and Mike they let us down. It’s too much pressure. You play for the great Chicago bulls that pressure will do that to anybody!

[@laterrydorsey303]

​@@StinkMello12No he wasn't. Snd if he was...it was by people who didn't know ow hoops. Chandler was never supposed to be KG, THAT'S BIG CAP

[@niqowyd]

No one ever said this 😭 his draft comparison was Rasheed Wallace and they literally said “Wants to be like Kevin Garnett and play on the perimeter, but has very underdeveloped ball skills.” in his WEAKNESSES area.

[@virgillesaca]

Gil is the hardest man to read. You never know what he’s gonna say, if he’s gonna agree or if he’s gonna disagree. Always fun to watch. That’s why it’s Gil’s Arena. I bet if you’re his boy tho you just gotta let him lead and not a lot of people are cool with that role 😂

[@sakimtornado]

might suddenly pull a gun out type of vibes

[@virgillesaca]

@@sakimtornado 😂😂😂 100%

[@Fsojack]

Truly unpredictable

[@joshmakeitrite]

Gil was inspirational lol. he came a long way since that pistol

[@billybompton9814]

Kenyon! I can’t speak for everybody but I’m certain most ppl would agree with you. You not a bust. You a testament of what the landscape of being successful in your craft looks like: being consistent, dedicated, and of service to the business/craft/art i.e. success looks like. Thank you bro🙏🏾.

[@warmbeergamingdude]

He’s definitely not a bust. He was an amazing playoff player

[@maliwoodtalks]

Gil was spot on. That’s exactly what Cam Thomas does today. He gets in and get his.

[@shanescott1124]

But they still won't play him for some reason

[@rayraytheog]

​@shanescott1124 he the best player on that team too

[@aaronhutchinson885]

Gil got to play because he was in a losing situation. Detroit was winning and playing for a chip. They didn't have time for a rookie to get ready. Darko played behind both Wallace's, and Okur. Who was a dog when he left. Only Melo would have played. Splitting minutes with Prince

[@donjohnson2758]

That’s still on Darko tho. Play with effort when the time comes. Jermaine O’Neal was on the bench for 4 years & still became a multiple time all star. It’s mentality.

[@cwellcpg]

Sheed didn’t get to to Detroit until later in the season. He was a mid season trade in February

[@aaronhutchinson885]

@@cwellcpg yes. 1 game with Atl

[@aaronhutchinson885]

@@donjohnson2758 good point.

[@larryjordan23]

Larry Brown did not play rookies. And the funny thing is they talked about in a earlier show how coaches kill players development

[@anthonysmith2671]

Been saying Sebastian telfair got an unfair bust label. Dude lasted 10 yrs in the league out of high school at 6 ft

[@laterrydorsey303]

He had a tough situation. He really needed that time with Patino at Louisville, but he felt like he had to make the NBA move because he had to get his mom's out the PJs...

[@luisofthelion]

K-Mart was not a bust at all. He had a role and he played it well. Nobody expected K-Mart to average 20 & 10 year in & year out.

[@inmytownW]

Pure cap he ain't see him in college? He was a monster

[@pandabear1576]

I mean he could’ve averaged that but he was drafted to a roster that ended up being deep as hell. Wasn’t necessary for him to hit those numbers

[@Kobe-jz2zz]

​@@inmytownWbut is he a bust though ?

[@SSSMOR.]

What helped Gilbert get his chance all the guards got hurt and he took advantage of his opportunity and proved he was a star right away on the court

[@St_1786]

Dreamworl..Bert is not cognizant...Trash effort on D, average passer- at best, average compared to many local park top Gs typa average...Chuckers and hoggers yanight..unyte... Point being..ijit wack spew S.." b .." " you shoulda.."... TF!.Yap yipping names in the same paragraph...This S is dumb And especially, Ilber typa, weak and dumb...Best leave names outta mouff.ShouldDig, eh AND duh- labels ...Fem FTar is clueless and likely shant...b brandin' mugz Figuredealit

[@phresh1388]

Lol finally someone said it. Hughes, JRich both suffered injuries that allowed Gil to step into a more prominent role. You have to be given a fair shot unlike. Even Gil said when his teammates wanted the rock he’d pout and not play😂 so how can you then turn around and criticize someone for being broken down mentally over time

[@delmarfrazier2727]

Not to mention, he’s a point guard with the mentality that he’s going to shoot soon as he get it!

[@SSSMOR.]

@@delmarfrazier2727 usually that hurt point guards back then he got fortunate

[@keexko]

I love what Gil said here. You gotta make it happen, you gotta give yourself a chance by staying ready. It's all about earning it.

[@4363HASHMI]

What do you call an baller whose straight buckets that didn’t ‘earn’ his playing time?

[@FurdgeBJJ]

The great ones would stand out eventually. Melo or wade would have become a star regardless, whether it was year 1 or year 3

[@octavius9685]

Even when Darko was drafted, many commentators questioned the pick because what the roster was and the coach was notorious for NOT playing rookies.. Darko was just put in a shit situation from jump

[@phoenixmg]

I've been saying that myself for years. Darko was set up to fail from the jump. Larry Brown generally wouldn't play rookies and he loved to instigate stupid mind games with players too. LeBron, Carmelo, Wade, Bosh, and all those other solid to good dudes wouldn't have had a chance to play. Melo really would've had problems there given all the off the court shit and legal drama he got into in Denver. LeBron came into power and he and Larry really would've beefed.

[@skillz78]

Excuses. Gilbert already showed that using the situations as an excuse, the “coach don’t play rookies” as an excuse isn’t good enough. You train, prepare and whenever your number is called? Deliver. So that coach and/or other coaches see what you’re made of. Darko came into a situation where he wasn’t asked to carry a franchise. He wasn’t asked to produce right away. Unlike other rookies. And he had good veterans to learn from. If anything he should have been amazing when the smoke cleared. Instead he sulked, complained and let his frustrations get the best of him. Mentally weak. And for whatever it’s worth Larry brown has a long list of rookies who got significant minutes under him. Larry Hughes, Tim Thomas and Soeedy Claxton.

[@delmarfrazier2727]

@@skillz78wrong how me going to play not to mention they bring in Chris Webber, now that’s 6 forwards! Where are you going to play in two minutes?

[@kevothegoat9891]

@@delmarfrazier2727if you balling in practice a good coach will play you

[@poe_productofourenvironment]

Lol I don’t recall them questioning the pick when they knew before the draft he was the pick .. they said more good then bad about darko on draft night lol

[@joelinnen3132]

Kenyon Martin is one of my top five favorite Power Forward, when he said “y’all can kiss me dead in my ssa” I died several times 2:23

[@aironenise]

Mine too. Bad ass yella boy 🔥

[@jklee0323]

100% with Gil. You want someone to GIVE you a chance rather than TRYING to earn more minutes. Accept the challenge or sit on the bench and deflect your misfortune towards others. If you’re not built to fight for what you want then you’re not built for the league. And that’s why Darko was a BUST.

[@andrewstokes6859]

Or Detroit just sucks at young player development why waste a draft pick if you know you not goos play them they would of been better of trading the pick for a piece to complement their crew

[@the_dark_knight5140]

And how do you try to earn more minutes if the coach rarely plays you

[@Btheonly33]

You can be 100% with whatever gil named scrubs he had to get passed compared to the Hof caliber players in front of darko and why draft a player first you aren't going to develop correctly sounds idiotic

[@ADAJ3KINGANGEL]

4:00 I started thinking of forwards in the East at the time & I’m surprised Josh Smith never made an all star team.

[@lightsoutdso]

I remember being pissed TWICE when he was snubbed and that Matters long-term in such conversations

[@cwellcpg]

Josh never made it because he was an idiot. Always played to his weaknesses and ignored his strengths. His replacement Paul Millsap made like 4 straight all stars right after Smoove left

[@devonmccalla498]

Love Gil’s mentality. Kenyon is dead on too if he never left the east he would have be a all star every year.

[@Magicstockton]

6:17 That’s not fair Larry Brown broke Darko. He wasn’t a coach that played rookies. So even if Joe D drafted Mr. Lala his career might’ve turned out differently. No numbers. Slow start. And Tayshaun was already there roaming around the paint.

[@pandabear1576]

Guarantee you with the skill set Melo had he would’ve been starting. It’s the same shit that was said about Nick Saban until he started recruiting guys who were bussing people’s asses in practice at a level he hadn’t seen in guys that young

[@cjpe2265]

​@@pandabear1576bro that coach didn't even play those rookies(03) in the olympics.

[@habavdekar]

But now Melo would have been raised right in the game with vets like Chauncey, Ben, Rasheed and Rip. The pressure on him would have been way less than what it was in Denver especially the first year.

[@GOODMuzikBoi]

People considered Kenyon Martin a bust? I don’t see how. The draft was seen as a weak draft so the expectation wasn’t there.

[@stringer2295]

I literally have never heard anyone call him a bust, he did exactly what we thought he would

[@davidchandler6885]

Nobody ever did

[@FromTheHipp]

hes saying that he could be considered one if you look at his numbers vs his draft position retrospectively.

[@GOODMuzikBoi]

@@FromTheHipp Kwame Brown is a bust. Anthony Bennett was a bust. Michael Olowokandi was a bust. Kenyon had a respectable career. No one really questioned his knowledge of the game or his efforts like the other guys I named.

[@FromTheHipp]

@@GOODMuzikBoi i dont understand your rebuttal. im telling you what kenyon is saying, not stating a position.

[@papasdaking]

“Pounding on that a**” pause 😂😂😂, funniest one yet

[@therealjayz8036]

I’m impressed Kwame wasn’t mentioned a single time 😂😂

[@barryle8413]

Rashad explained why he didn’t pan out. That he can empathize with that mentality to give up, speaks a lot to him

[@6Hustles]

Mfer like you never gave up on something. Mfers get righteous in these comments like they perfect. Knock it off mfer

[@les9438]

Rashad McCants is menace for that “10-1 t shirt 👕 “ 😂😂😂😂. I’m rolling 😂

[@conchobar]

Detroit is has been a poor organization for developing talent for decades.

[@naquanbennett3713]

Been a pistons , you're absolutely right 🗣️ our best years had vets

[@Boss3Nate]

Gilbert trying to compare sitting behind Sheed, Big Ben and McDyess on a championship team to Bobby Sura, Larry Hughes and Dean Oliver on a terrible team..... hahahaha

[@Bigedub101]

That's what I'm saying, when he went to GSW they were trash and no one besides GSW fans paid attention to them so he can shoot all day.. Detroit literally just was in ECF and everyone knows Larry Brown hate playing rookies

[@jonathanterrazas8486]

Gilbert’s points always somehow lead to a self congratulatory speech lol

[@PrimordialBeing360]

Kenyon Martin needs to give himself more respect, not only was he not a bust but he was one of the best PF in the league. Him and JKidd ridiculous

[@DreChilly]

He was supposed to be Ron Artest lite but never developed a handle or jumpshot I believe him hanging out with Doofus Drummond had somethin to do with his development and not taking it serious. It is what it is at this point if you're putting in the work another team is going to take notice and give you a shot ! Oh well it is what it 🤷 is.

[@antoniohall2435]

Always loved Gils game loving this podcast even more Gil a real one. Kenyon was always one of my favorite players he always kept it real much respect

[@SSSMOR.]

What hurt Stanley Johnson the leauge changed to a 3 point leauge a few years after he got drafted he would of had a 10 year career between 1970-2010

[@terryjones662]

He was a poor man Ron Artest... higher jumping and less skilled... he could have had a better career...

[@cwellcpg]

Cap. He’s another guy that struggled to shoot 40% from the field. For his size and physicality, that’s terrible. He wouldn’t have panned out in any era

[@mrking1785]

If he had a good mid he would still be in the league

[@FromTheHipp]

stanley johnson's coaches never utilized him properly either. he was a center in high school that took it upon himself to change his game and developed, on his own, a 2-guard/small forward skillset. he has post game and the ability to play out of the post and all coaches ever do in the nba is play him off the ball 23 feet away from the basket. i agree with Gil but at the same time, a coach using players wrongly hurts just as much as not taking your opportunity.

[@jordanned3075]

I hear what you saying. But I disagree on Stanley. When he got to the league his size and strength were not an advantage. Yes he worked on his game but not to the level that he could consistently give 10-12 points a game. And his Defense wasn’t great. Avg def avg off.

[@FromTheHipp]

@@jordanned3075 you're not going to come to the league and impact the league right away on either end of the floor. even blue chip star players need time to develop and its wildly unreasonable to expect him to do that. the ones that do are all outliers. his **skillset** is what should have been utilized. 6'7" with a 7 foot wingspan is more than big enough to be able to get post work in the league.

[@1z2x3c45b]

Stanley was not a Center in HS. He played at Mater Dei in Cali which I'm sure you are aware is a basketball powerhouse. They had plenty of size so didn't need him to play Center. He played the SF and SG positions. Went to many of their games when he was there back in the early 2010s.

[@FromTheHipp]

@@1z2x3c45b "At powerhouse Mater Dei High in Santa Ana, Calif., Johnson started as a center before moving to forward (sophomore year) then shooting guard (junior year) and finally, point guard (senior year)." i dont know why youtube keeps deleting my reply but this directly from a sports illustrated article. "When he entered high school at Mater Dei in Southern California, Johnson primarily played center and power forward. By the time he was a junior rising up the rankings to become a top-30 prospect, he was fully entrenched on the wing." this is directly from SB nation....and ive heard stanley talk about it as well. you're wrong my boy.

[@aquartermil]

That MAN WAS NOT A CENTER IN HIGHSCHOOL 😂😂ayo !!?

[@robinrondo]

👏👏👏👏👏 Great input from everyone!!! Preach fellas

[@williambreeze2659]

Great conversation guy's!

[@CheyBurnedMe]

Melos career would’ve had a COMPLETELY different trajectory if he was drafted as a piston. Unlike Denver, Detroit was competing at that time. And they were a perfect defensive team that fell apart because they didn’t have a primary 25+ ppg scorer. Also the vets in Detroit could’ve trained melo early to play more defense while teaching him to be a better leader. Man that would’ve been beautiful to see, Melo would’ve won a ring before lebron just my opinion 🤷🏾‍♂️ def trying this in 2k

[@michiganmike7132]

You right bro, Detroit would've taught Melo defense and he would've been a way better player on everything 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@b1gflp]

He ended up playing with k Martin & Billups, still wasn't strong on defense. He is who he is. Maybe could have a ring though

[@AsapWave]

💯 I’ve always said this Melo’s career would’ve definitely panned out different.

[@LigBoi]

No. Larry Brown was known for not playing rookies.

[@outhereq1]

Only he was getting pt was if he played d. So either he'd have to or he would of been a bust too. I think he would of put in the work and focused on that side of the ball as well.

[@BigBen1994]

Gil is 💯 talking about the mentality

[@YallJiggas]

Real spill my guys

[@JDMGE]

True story, I stopped playing basketball early in high school because I found another sport to love. When I did play, my coaches hated me joking on them all the time so they used to always give me scrub minutes. Those 2-3 min here and there was my time to shine lol Gil said 5 shots, I definitely was trying to get mine in that little of time. And was playing GP level defense lol

[@isahabdullah8786]

Man Kenyon brought an edge to teams. I loved watching him.

[@sixthorder]

If the draft wasn't a thing, the term "Bust" wouldn't even exist. I think about Andrew Wiggins. Compared to all #1 all time, he falls way short. If he was picked 30th, everybody would say he was a steal.

[@HoodPsychoP3dia]

U 🧢 pornstars always bust ⏸️

[@washingtonrl]

Calling a player a BUST means we as fans and the media got it wrong. The player was just balling, but we (MEDIA) are the ones that put players on pedestals with OUR expectations. When the media calls a player a bust, it really means the sports analysts, ESPN, FOX, and veteran players got the analysis of the BUST wrong. ANALYST and ex-players are wrong the majority of the time, using the BUST term is a scapegoat for us all.

[@iamking_nell]

Nah. In Minnesota he fell in with the narrative of what Gil was talking about. In GS he had no choice but to step his game up.

[@ponyplayer100]

That’s like saying if money didn’t exist nothing would be too expensive. The draft is a representation of how much a team believes ina players potential to impact the game and if they fall short of the potential then they are a bust. I don’t care if you’re mr.irrelevant, if you play like an average American citizen you’re a bust. People just focus more on higher picks because they believed in them more

[@davidchandler6885]

​@@iamking_nelldifferent role, instead of scoring to much he played d

[@shedrickturner7758]

These four have great conversations 💯💯

[@kellenking5108]

Kenyon was far from a bust he was that draymond type player. Stats never told the whole story with dude.

[@priztucker]

NBA had a lot of years in the early 2000's where there were a lot of crappy players and busts. The product suffered tremendously in that decade.

[@Turk_2023]

Straight from hs produced a ton of trash.... So did 1 and done in the 2010s

[@EllisMcCollum-ww8tk]

2000s best era of basketball tbh

[@priztucker]

@@EllisMcCollum-ww8tk how?

[@JWhack]

⁠@@priztuckerlast era of true post play before the 3 point revolution. Stars were giving more effort in the regular season compared to now and it’s not close. Star wise as well in that era was more entertaining to watch

[@priztucker]

@@JWhack When 2000’s? That time period the NBA didn’t really grow. Remember when they had a bunch of games where teams scored 60 and 50 points and they had to rethink everything? Now 2010s had drama from Lebron going to South Beach, Pop and Spurs and Warriors clashing against Bron. NBA leaped past NFL during that time period. 2000s was just Lakers and Spurs. Remember how Spurs used to go to finals and nobody cared or watched? Omfg don’t remind me!

[@blackmist1981]

Wait a minute. 2 beers per Gatorade bottle is crazy 😂😂😂

[@djshowout8001]

Right I ain’t catch what player he was talking about

[@sambo416]

Keynon made it to the finals at least once as a star he good

[@iunderstanphotography2780]

We can see the lack of effort in some players as well. I love the player perspective: how do i keep caring oif I'm riding the bench for like 50 games? You have to go all out at practice and over the summer, be ready when someoen gets in foul trouble or get hurt

[@certifiedchaos4643]

Kenyon was no bust he was a really good player an all star call caliber player He had a few serious injuries but he fought through and played well The man average 23.ppg in back to back nba finals and dropped 35 in a finals game He was elite defender and was a fan favorite. He win a gold medal at the fiba championships and goodwill games He was a key contributor on playoff contending teams I do think he was snubbed a few all star games and all nba defensive teams

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

He was one hell of a rebounder a solid 14 ppg scorer and a beast on defense Based on what I’ve seen I’m surprised he was never on a first team all defense

[@Mrkpkilla]

This is a very interesting conversation that more people should have

[@8400meechie]

Whoever’s workin the audio needs a raise , this louder then most songs

[@ApexRookie1]

1:28 he is a very good example because in game K.Martin Stats don’t reflect how much of an asset he was

[@GoatedCulturePodcast]

They were naming all the top West PF ahead of Kenyon … how could they leave out Chris Webber , he was arguably top 3 at his peak , just as good as Duncan & KG imo …

[@orlandochristopher7325]

I noticed that too

[@Bigedub101]

I mean he just naming them, they not gonna sit for 10 minutes trying to think of every PF

[@GoatedCulturePodcast]

@@Bigedub101 obviously 🙄 my point is cwebb should feel disrespected his name wasn’t mentioned in the first few names without even thinking , remember these aren’t casuals up here talking , this is KMart who was actually out there battling cwebb

[@Alvaromlesser]

First 30 seconds of the video and McCants already cappin 🧢 YOU DIDNT AVERAGE 15 boi 😂😂😂

[@drunkenxrage]

Great takes mostly but just here to thank K Mart for putting some love on Rip 🙏

[@timothy2c]

Gilbert and Rashad changed their minds about hard work versus the team situation about 5 times each. Lol

[@Play2Hiswill]

I love this discussion and especially on sportsman like conduct or sportsmanship as it pertains to the idea of not running the score up. I totally agree with the guys what is more sportman than to compete to the best of you ability until the end of the game. One of the biggest tenants of sports is the idea of competing. Every player is taught from childhood to compete for everything or until the last whistle but then in am actual competition you want players to stop because they have big lead. If thats truly how people feel how would they feel about instituting mercy rules. The whole idea goes against what you are supposed to do in sports which is compete until the end. Try to be your best amd get the most our of all hardwork and dedication you put in during practice, workouts, training etc. And bring it on game day. I fwel the sameway about players going for individual records why would we ever pull somebody out a game when they are getting the best our of all the effort they have put in practice and its all oozing out in actual game im this potential record breaking achievment and someone says you have enough of a great game lets put somebody else in to finish. The player should have the opportunity to jave their moment just as teams have their collective moments

[@_cheefieG]

😂😂😂😂 when Mccants talks an they all quiet n hear crickets

[@markbernabe1661]

Kmart and agent 0 keeping ìt real.. Kudos to both!

[@MrBeaujangles51]

12:06 mccants built differently? I mean you made it, but you closer to Stanley Johnson and than you are to Gil

[@RamSahuri]

Lol he talks like he was an all star.

[@RamSahuri]

I only know him because of this podcast honestly lol.

[@recodatruth8860]

Lmao..damn..what was his numbers like??

[@coolmoe3289]

Greg Oden is a Clear Definition of A BUST..

[@everythingbuzzcityEBC]

How… bro suffered two career ending injuries and was 50-12 with Roy and LA Fck outta here

[@rjejames28]

Gilberts mindset is next level I liked his take on a player only getting a couple minutes.

[@johnQrl]

Its harder for big men though. Gil being the point and SG had the ball in his hands in those limited minutes.

[@Dman4901]

I have never look at Kenyon Martin as a bust….NEVER those nets and nuggets teams were fun to watch especially those nets teams…. Him and Kidd were magic🎉

[@nukeboy4939]

Yeah whoever calls Kenyon a bust don't understand basketball .

[@moneymayne3]

K Mart nowhere near a bust. Very solid player

[@geno8246]

Gil’s first point was spot on as well, statistics don’t always reflect impact 1st round pick or not

[@kennethglenn4502]

New drinking game every time you here “nome sayin” you gotta drink 😂

[@dariushodges5893]

Kenyon Martin was a beast a grown man when he came in the league nothing about him is a bus

[@donjohnson2758]

People saying Larry ruined Darko & though it’s true, that’s still on Darko. Jermaine O’Neal was on the bench for 4 years in Portland, didn’t play & still became an All-Star w/ Indiana. It’s mentality.

[@skillz78]

Ruined is such a cop out. So Larry brown should have coddled Darko? Been more sensitive and caring? Airplane spoon fed him minutes as a baby? Was it tough for a rookie to play for Larry brown? Yes. But that’s because you need to prove yourself. And that applies in every job. Gilbert had the right mentality which is why he thrived when given a chance. He was on a bad warriors team where he didn’t see much playing time and had DNP’s. Add to the fact he didn’t go first rd. He could have easily had a Darko mentality. Who knows if Larry Brown tests rookies by not playing them to see how mentally tough they are. See if you do fold, sulk, complain. Which Darko did. He should have prepared and worked twice as harder. That’s on him. He played behind some seasoned vets he could have learned from and developed his game. So by the time he does get significant minutes? He takes the lg by storm.

[@BonesJJ]

This was great conversation. K.Martin was always a dog, no one has ever talked about him as a bust, now they do mention that as one of the weakest drafts ever. Great point by him about how leaving the East affected his legacy with missed All Star appearances. I disagree with 03’ Pistons draft conversation, Darko would have been one of one. Because they traded for Rasheed Wallace at the All Star break to fill the PF position. - There’s a chance Bosh’s offensive game could have earned him more minutes as rookie than Darko got and perhaps they don’t see as a big a need to trade for a PF and acquire R.Wallace. If Wade or Melo was drafted both would have competed for Sixth Man of the Year awards as rookies and pushed for a starting role in Year 2. Also pre-R.Wallace trade Melo could have saw heavy minutes in a small ball lineup featuring he, T.Prince, R.Hamilton on the floor at the same time. -RIP was in year 2 as a Piston, Larry Brown would have loved D-Wade because of his defensive effort even as a rookie. D-Wade was a mid-ranger shooter just like RIP but a better slasher to the rim and finished strong around the rim.

[@prophecy9521]

Gil was definitely talking about Kwame Brown

[@ericmclean4291]

Gil brought up a point that people leave out when discussing the Pistons in 03. Any pick that went there would have had a hard time. Larry Brown didn't play rookies and he has always been that way. Also, it would have taken a whole lot for Carmelo to win the SF job over Prince. Brown would have valued Tayshaun's defense over Melo's scoring ability. And Brown would've pulled Darko if he tried what Gil did.

[@Polo22546]

I love to hear the player’s perspective on these things as opposed to the network “analysts” that never even shot a damn free throw.

[@jpp6429]

K Mart was ALWAYS contributing to winning for his teams. He was a defensive specialist and enforcer when those guys were needed in the league. Plus he wasn't an offensive liability.

[@rjc9537]

I forgot that K-Mart was a #1 pick. He was a good, hard-playing, fan-favorite player. I was really sad when he left our hometown team in Jersey! We love you K-Mart! 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽

[@ClarenceBeeks64]

3:50 PFs were stacked in 2000s. I can't think of any other era that had 3 All-time greats at the same position (Duncan, Dirk, KG) each winning a MVP while all are in the Western conference. Ironically you can say Kevin Garnett ran from the grind his last year in Western Conference was 2007 when Dirk won MVP and Duncan won his 4th NBA title.

[@davidchandler6885]

Some could argue r Wallace better than them all just under achieved

[@Turk_2023]

Zbo turned into a beast

[@kaytrout3836]

I watched Kenyon when he was with the Nets and he was a beast. He wasn’t a Tim Duncan or Garnet but he was missed when he left

[@kevinhousen2791]

Gil funny as hell. "I'm getting 2 min I'm taking 5 shoots."

[@obviouslyfamoustv1630]

I hate when mccants makes so much excuses man smh.

[@chelseadelon9628]

Kmart was always respected, crazy he only had 1 all star… but he definitely was spot on to why it was only 1

[@borganfreeman]

Kenyon Martin was at least a 3 time allstar in the east had he stayed there he was never the same after he broke his leg in college. He was a freak athlete with a mean streak and was Shawn Kemp 2.0. Had he not got hurt he probably was a 20 10 player. He's humble and he knows he was blessed to still go number one so by default he gave 120% effort but that's the type of player he was anyway. Look him up in college. He was similar to Zion Williamson and is an example how players can get somewhat forgotten 25 years down the road. Kenyon was an absolute nightmare coming out of college and is one of the what ifs in NBA history. He had a great run regardless but his career was riddled with injuries that started on that lob attempt in Cincinnati.

[@goatified_ysl2538]

Kenyon “yawaimsayin” got me dieing bruh

[@Play2Hiswill]

Fellas if you all see this love conos and discussion presented. If yoi see this would love to hear your thoughts on: Professional athlete contracts. I feel contracts should be in increments of 2 years or 4 years but if you sign 4/5 years the player has to stay put. You can make more if you sign the 4 year bexaise of the commitment. What do you think about Foul out rule. I feel players should not be able to foul out a game. If yoi want to punish tram for fouling after 5th foul for player give 3 free throws for each additional foul the player commits then the team has to decise if its worth it to play said player. It would be intriguint to see this play out in my mind and the strategy thay would come from it. Would love to hear your thoughts think it would make great convo.

[@jjjr20]

Tyson Chandler was considered a bust on the Bulls but grew out of that label when he showed his worth defensively on better teams.

[@asaisrael1071]

Crazy Gil didn’t understand Darko mindset but he was saying the same thing when he was talking about his time in Orlando talking about bad coaches. Also he’s a Point so he gets to touch the ball, a center taking 5 shots in 8 minutes ain’t likely.

[@Lakeliferico]

Same thing about bol bol in Orlando they got alot of centers and pf no room for him he will fund hus soor in phx watch him have a great year off the bench

[@CleanMusicLover229]

It also depends on the team they go to and the team's system.

[@AJayTheDogg]

That’s what I be saying man! You can’t look at analytics and judge a player! You gotta watch em play!!

[@PickEmUpMessEmUp]

Pistons did play well they was in the Eastern conference in 03. They got the number # 2 pick because they drafted Otis Thrope to the Grizzles in 97

[@Bigedub101]

Yea people guess forgot they made the ECF 6 TIMES IN A ROW from 2003 til 2008

[@xXLilSmurthXx]

Miss the ending music and old intro currently

[@Bluemaverick11]

Context does matters. We should always bring that context to the conversation. I wish they were consistent with bringing that context.