Gilles Deleuze "Postscript on Societies of Control

[@darillus1]

Gavin, you're getting better and better, with every video you upload, Postscript on Societies of Control is Deleuze's more easily understandable and digestible text, keep up the great work dude

[@gavinyoung-philosophy]

@@darillus1 This is such a kind thing to say 🥹Thank you, I shall!🤭

[@VioletDeliriums]

15:55 For historical perspective, the internet existed in the 1980s. For example, in 1986 I had it at my university and my father had it at home via General Electric's "GEnie" network and it could be used for functions like transferring files and even chat. (Look at the movie "War Games" to see what it that was kind of like.) However, it did not become a large-scale commercial service until around 1995 when America Online (AOL) mass marketed it. At that point, usage by the general public expended rapidly.

[@gavinyoung-philosophy]

@@VioletDeliriums Thank you for this!

[@VioletDeliriums]

@@gavinyoung-philosophy I lived it :) ... no problem, i like your channel.

[@VorosMedve]

This tallies well with Luhmann’s social systems theory which, IMO, is the best descriptor of modern social systems

[@stefanb6539]

I like both Luhmann and Deleuze a lot, and I think they actually have a lot of common in basic terms. The closest Deleuzian term to social systems is probably the territorry, and if you start comparing Deleuze's description what territorries are, how they function, how they are erstablished, and how they change over time, and look for isomoprhic terms in system theory, about the autopoesis of social systems it very much feels like looking at the exact same subject with a pair of different colored lenses. A lot is almost identical, but both colors of glasses emphasize different aspects, and the slight difference in perspective adds additional depth. Reading tip from me as both a Luhmann and Deleuze enjoyer, that started with Luhmann: In Deleuze's "Thousand Plateaus" the chapter "The Ritornell" is a great entry to understand Deleuze's concept of the territory. Admittedly, the notion, that Deleuze's territorry and Luhmann's social system are immensely comparable is as far as I know completely my homebrew assumption, but it worked incerdibly well for me. Sadly, so far I haven't found anyone who has published on a comprehensive comparison of system theory and post-structuralism yet, but in my own reading journey through Luhmann and Deleuze (and a bit of Foucault) I found it immensely fruitful for a good understanding of both authors. I had on more on one occassions difficulty to develop a good intuition for a term that was used by one author, then thought a bout how the other author would put it in his system, and it suddenly clicked to me.

[@VorosMedve]

@ I also think that Baudrillard’s simulacra is a good fit with Luhmann…not well versed enough in either Deleuze or Baudrillard to make a firm distinction between them, apropos Luhmann

[@shamanverse]

You are gifted. Can you post a video on Violence. State violence. Personal violence. When is it justified. Who do you recomend? Virilio? Sun Tzu?

[@gavinyoung-philosophy]

@@shamanverse I’ve done a video on Žižek’s book “Violence”, as well as a lecture on Baudrillard’s “Our Theater of Cruelty” in which he discusses his theory of state violence and terrorism. You may like my video on Hezbullah where I give an overview of their approach to defensive jihad as a form of legitimated anti-colonial violence, as well as my videos on Paul Virilio’s “Speed and Politics” and my stuff on postcolonial theory (there’s a playlist for the last one). This is definitely an interesting topic for me and one I am very interested in for my studies. Virilio is a good one to look at, as well as Dominico Lusordo has some good stuff talking about the violence of the non-violence movements and the way they help sanction and excuse state violence. Foucault is a great thinker for understanding how institutions code human behaviors in order to manufacture consent and excuse atrocities on behalf of the state. On that note, you might consider my lecture on Deleuze & Guattari’s theory of the war machine.

[@inco9943]

It's a great short piece by Deleuze, but I can't think of a many examples of control societies that are unique to the last 50 years. I don't think this is a 'new' thing but I'm open to correction

[@gavinyoung-philosophy]

@@inco9943 Yeah I definitely think there’s a very gradual and smooth continuum between control societies and other forms of societal organization.