Giovanni Sgambati - Symphony No.2 in E-flat (1885)

[@ericdevaughn5941]

This a fantastic symphony even better than Sgambati's First Symphony. Magnificent. His music is wonderful and a revelation to me. The piano concerto is next for me. I've heard his 2 great piano quintets. I love this symphony. So bold and beautiful. Such great orchestration. A real master and major composer.

[@musician_-qy9bq]

I never heard anything about Sgambati until I heard this piece at SWR2 and now he is one of my favourite composers.

[@fulviopolce9785]

Bravo Sgambati.Anche noi italiani abbiamo la nostra archeologia strettamente strumentale,non solo operistica, degna di essere scoperta e divulgata ,come non si è mai fatto.Questo è un esempio di ottima sinfonia.

[@marssta3658]

L'opera è un mix tra composizioni strumentali e vocali

[@fulviopolce9785]

@@marssta3658 Hei...Non generalizziamo.Sono due cose distinte.Molto ben distinte.

[@marssta3658]

@@fulviopolce9785 cazzata... Basta il barocco italiano per sotterrare qualunque scena strumentale europea allora. Ma davvero pensi che l'Italia sia bellini e donizzetti? La musica strumentale italiana oltre ad essere la base della classica ha prodotto talmente di quella roba che è semplicemente inattaccabile. Sammartini credo che basti con le sue 70 sinfonie. Il padre della sinfonia Moderna ad oscurare qualunque merda uscita dopo. Ascoltate musica italiana. Punto. I padri di qualunque cosa dal piano alla sonata al concerto alla sinfonia sono compositori italiani. L'Italia infatti è la culla della musica classica

[@marssta3658]

@@fulviopolce9785 la Germania NON È la culla di nulla. L'Italia è. Tu sei un altro di quei cretini che esaltano la musica estera. Senza sapere che deriva da quella italiana povero cesso che sei.

[@fulviopolce9785]

@@marssta3658 chi ha detto della Germania.povera ignorante che sei. Gli insulti tienili per te.

[@philhomes233]

There are certain composers who should be in the front rank, Sgambati is one of them. I've thought this for over forty years.

[@charlesmchugh8811]

Phil Homes - I agree 100%. I’ve never heard anything by Sgambati that didn’t make me (hell) compel me to come back and hear it again and again. That’s what Brahms used to do to me when I was a kid. I like Martucci and Casella also but I love Sgambati’s music.

[@RiccardoPes]

Unbelievable how beautiful this music is! So many colors and very effective performance

[@rrozoff1]

Splendid. Majestic. Sublime.

[@giovannigalotta6121]

Insieme a Giuseppe Martucci fu pioniere del sinfonismo italiano, due gli aspetti caratterizzanti della musica del maestro romano: da una parte una struttura complessa e molto raffinata, che si concretizza in una concezione motivica poliedrica e avvolta da un manto armonico che segue i dettami del cromatismo wagneriano e lisztiano; dall'altro la ricerca di un lirismo chiaramente "italiano", ma molto lontano da quella concezione operistica che era emersa dai nostri compositori del primo Ottocento nel rapportarsi con il genere strumentale ... allievo ed amico di Franz Liszt ... insieme a Ettore Pinelli fondò a Roma il Liceo musicale di Santa Cecilia ... Un altro grande autore tutto italiano e come "molti altri" da riscoprire, così come ancora ad oggi rare anche le registrazioni delle sue opere, ed oltre ad essere un fervido compositore, convinto innovatore in chiave sinfonica della musica italiana, è stato anche un grande virtuoso del pianoforte ... splendida sinfonia !

[@corrado1675]

Grazie delle spiegazioni. Anche io lo considero un ottimo musicista. Belle anche le composizioni pianistiche.

[@afrofinka]

Sono d'accordo

[@RubinCohen]

This landscape painting is amazing.

[@chrisutter5694]

Ah, so nice to listen to a on rain filled morning while I try to read a book after breakfast! I've never come across this composer before, so i'm enjoying his works very much. Thank you very much!

[@magbag70]

Piu le ascolto e piu mi piacciono queste sinfonie di Sgambati

[@barrymalkin9031]

Wonderful discovery, like Bruckner with a sunny disposition!

[@ronaldbwoodall2628]

This energetic, exhilarating, lyrical Symphony is a rewarding discovery for me. I've heard very little of Sgambati's music since around 1970 when his Piano Concerto, Op. 15 was featured as part of the "Romantic Music Festival" in Indianapolis. The Second Symphony is also quite Romantic, and quite impressive.

[@fulviopolce9785]

Ottima la prestazione e registrazione sonora dell'orchestra Verdi di Milano. Complimenti per questo caricamento.

[@j.l.callison1837]

To think such a marvelous composer can stay virtually unknown. Had it not been for KulauDilfeng I would never have known of him. For certain, I have never heard his works, let alone his name on what passes for a classical station here in Chicago. We just lost one a few years ago and are left with WFMT, which gets so lost in esoteric solo pieces that one must be an afficianodo of the instrument to appreciate, that we are left with only the tried and true pieces we know by heart. Orchestras don't introduce these gems, afraid they will not fill the halls without known names Thank you so very much for bringing these pieces in from the shadows.

[@francescoattardi1334]

Dear J.L., I am the conductor of this Symphony that I reconstructed . You have said a bitter truth: Orchestras and Concert Societies they are afraid they will not fill the halls without known names and then some masterpieces like this remain unkown to public. Francesco Attardi

[@j.l.callison1837]

Francesco Attardi, I am honored indeed to correspond with you, sir. I am indeed in your debt. Music is something I desired as a child, but had no access, even to listen, until later in life. Those of you who have the ability to make such beautiful music are a blessing to those of us who can only listen and enjoy. Thank you for bringing this gem to life. I shall look for your name in the future as I purchase music. Any recommendations would be more than appreciated. jlc

[@cenveoanalyst8862]

I think I speak for a lot of us when I say that I'm very thankful you recorded this piece! I would be very interested in whatever recordings of Giovanni Sgambati you have done! As well as other composers.

[@francescoattardi1334]

dear Mr Callison, Sgambati was born to a British woman, his grandfather was a famous sculptor, Joseph Gott, who settled in Rome. Sgambati grew up with an Anglo-Saxon education. I tried to make known Sgambati in England and America, but unfortunately there is the prejudice that Italian music is just Operatic

[@j.l.callison1837]

So very unfortunate! Thank you, sir. I shall watch for more with bated breath. While it is true there is much wonderful Italian opera, there is so much more great music to be enjoyed than just opera. I applaud your efforts.

[@marioescudero7103]

Gracias por estas joyas musicales.

[@aramkhachaturian8043]

Never knew he made a second one! This is such a great find for me.

[@scottbenson1535]

Well, Aram, YOUR second one is a masterpiece as well, I'd say ;)

[@goodmanmusica]

molto bella

[@paulrenouf8976]

More dramatic than the first symphony but equally as good.Thank you for the upload.

[@kaybeenullenvoyde9196]

Sgambati has lovely lyricism.

[@fcoleman8]

Many thanks for giving us the 2nd. Sgambati's 1st has been around for a while, but it is great to be able to hear his 2nd.

[@kuhlaudilfeng4449]

Fred Coleman Indeed it is, now we only need his Epitalamio sinfonico.

[@corrado1675]

Grande maestro italiano.

[@snowcarriagechengcheng-hun3454]

Thanks for uploading!

[@ambuma64]

Bellissima!!!!

[@davidetrentadue6338]

Non per niente erail pupillo di Franz Liszt: grande artista e musicista di talento, che ha fatto scuola nel vero senso della parola. Infatti ha creato le basi per un conservatorio proprio dalla sua abitazione. Grande.

[@kaybeenullenvoyde9196]

Sad to say, Public radio stations seem to adhere to an agenda that involves "Music Appreciation 101" for listeners, apparently perceiving then as in need of the "Basics". The 3 to 4 "B"s, plus masses of Mozart. There has been a Cult of Mozart ever since the '80s, the "Amadeus" decade. And only specific uber-popular works of his. Much of his work is hidden, unshared. How can listeners be encouraged to seek out and appreciate many/hordes, of composers who have striven to walk in the footsteps of these leaders? They matter too!

[@tedwilks]

I'm not sure that I can add much of value to the question of whether this symphony is in the major or minor mode, but for what it is worth I found the following: Grove and IMSLP both list it as being in E-flat major. Ted Wilks

[@JAMESLEVEE]

tedwilks My ears, and the comment from the publisher of this score tell me that the initial material of the first movement is in the minor mode, and it is from that that a key designation for the entire work is made.

[@tedwilks]

James Levee I don't disagree with you. How about a compromise? Let's use Kuhlaudilfeng's decription of simply "E-flat" and leave unstated the matter of minor or major? By failing to state the matter explicitly perhaps Sgambati knew exactly what he was doing! Ted

[@JAMESLEVEE]

It would be interesting to see exactly what, if anything, Sgambati himself had to say on the issue.

[@11Toreador]

+tedwilks According to imslp.org/wiki/List_of_works_by_Giovanni_Sgambati the key is E flat minor/major :-)

[@JAMESLEVEE]

Generally speaking, the tonality is the key of the first movement. The first movement is most definitely in E-flat minor. Major key resolutions at the end don't go into the nomenclature.

[@SR-ol6xm]

This image is very rare.. where did you aquire it?

[@djtrakakadrunkpoet8598]

Wish Stephen Spielberg would put this is a movie

[@zzausel]

Williams and Zimmer aso are unbelievably overrrated. But Sgambati has colours enough, so why combine him with Hollywood trash?

[@horsemeattball]

This composer most certainly influenced Ottorino Respighi. No question.

[@francescoattardi1334]

Exactly, sure!

[@owengette8089]

11:49 25:59

[@НеллиХоцарж]

Композитор достойный, а я даже не слыхала о таком

[@peter92305]

Surely it's more constructive to comment on the quality or otherwise of the music rather than this fixation as to which key it might be in. If it were more chromatic in it's construction, presumably this conjecture would be even more intense.

[@theezrapound838]

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[@abdul7591]

Kuhlau, Once again I must ask you what is the origin of this recording? Is it a radio broadcast?

[@kuhlaudilfeng4449]

abdul7591 Nope, it's from an italian music magazine, Amadeus. You can get it here www.ezpress.it/riviste.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=3299

[@vanderkarbargenbok558]

What do you mean exactly? I found that website but my search for "sgambati" had no result.

[@maliuatu]

It is with the Number of March 2015: www.belviveremedia.com/shop/edicola-arretrati/amadeus-arr/marzo-2015

[@marcdekeyser1021]

I like Sgambati's romantic piano concerto, but this symphony is nice but lesser romantic up to me!

[@JAMESLEVEE]

Boy...this symphony sure sounds like it's in E-flat MINOR, not major.

[@jerfilm]

James Levee Thanks, Kuhlua - been wanting to hear this.

[@JAMESLEVEE]

According to the score, the person who created the edition admits that the symphony starts out in the minor mode, but ends in the major. Unfortunately, by convention, unless there is a compelling reason I don't hear in this case, if it starts out in the minor mode, you say it's in the minor mode. The principal theme of the opening Agitato (after the introduction) is in the minor mode, ergo...

[@JAMESLEVEE]

@@themajor2072While you make some valid observations, my point still remains valid. First, while both the Beethoven 4th, and Mahler 1st have minor (or minor inflected, in the case of the Beethoven) key introductions, the main body of the movement is definitely in the major mode. As I mentioned in my comment, the modality of the first theme dictates the nomenclature of the work. That is why, beyond the Mahler and Beethoven, Haydn's 98th and 104th Symphonies are both in the major key of the principal themes of the first movements, despite tonic minor-key introductions. Likewise, even though Mendelssohn's 5th Symphony starts with a slow intro in D Major, the main body of the movement starts in D minor, and is centered around the minor modality. As far as the secondary group's theme is concerned, it is true tha Sgambati moves toward the dominant, rather than the relative major. Again, reference Mendelssohn, this time the1st Piano Trio, where he goes to the dominant as well. Yet the key is well established to be D minor. As far as the ending of the first movement, reference Haydn's Hen Sympnony (No. 83 in G minor), or for that matter, any of Haydn's minor key symphonies after his 40s.. After recapitulating the primary material, he pretty much stays in G Major for the rest of the movement, once the secondary material is reprised, thus maintaining symmetry with the exposition. So, no, I don't find your argument for calling the key E-flat Major that compelling.

[@ToneBaldino]

I hear The Godfather at 1:55

[@darrylschultz6479]

Insist he leave at once so you can enjoy the music!

[@fulviopolce9785]

Un altro allievo della scuola di Weimar (heeee Liszt........)