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Give Me An Answer with Stuart & Cliffe Knechtle

Give Me An Answer with Stuart & Cliffe Knechtle

Күн бұрын

Cliffe Knechtle has a good dialogue with students at The University of Arizona - Tucson. Recorded in October 2012.
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This was an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.

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@jelly7310
@jelly7310 3 жыл бұрын
My wife and I are considering visiting Conn this summer and would love to attend your service. God bless and keep up the good work of Jesus.
@peterstevens2660
@peterstevens2660 3 жыл бұрын
Same exact thing here! Love watching cliffe!
@samm4637
@samm4637 3 жыл бұрын
This is the "no consequences, everyone is a winner, everyone gets a trophy" generation. Thats why they cant understand the concept of punishment for sin.
@livekratos09
@livekratos09 3 жыл бұрын
That was 8 years ago. Imagine now or 10 years from now. Scary
@mosthighgospel1127
@mosthighgospel1127 2 жыл бұрын
Facts
@edwinmarrero8958
@edwinmarrero8958 Жыл бұрын
Cliff, you’ve been doing this for 30+ years I just recently started watching you and hearing what you have to say and I know you understand you’re calling which is from God but I want you to know how important is your ministry is so refreshing to hear you speak to those young College students and the way the Holy Spirit uses. You God bless you God bless your family. God bless your ministry thank you thank you thank you
@nativetrails2021
@nativetrails2021 Жыл бұрын
I could never do what you do. Your patience is commendable. God bless you Cliff, I pray these kids wake up.
@NaNa-nu9sf
@NaNa-nu9sf 5 жыл бұрын
I have ABSOLUTE faith in GOD ( I AM THAT I AM ) in the name of JESUS! This faith allows me to live out a life where I try to the best of my abilities to avoid sin and evil thoughts, words and actions!
@UniteAgainstEvil
@UniteAgainstEvil 3 жыл бұрын
@@darkeen42 how about you learn where the misinformation you got came from, DERP! indoctrinated fool
@Phantom-sg3wr
@Phantom-sg3wr 2 жыл бұрын
@@darkeen42 moon idol worshipper :3
@rotty1100
@rotty1100 9 жыл бұрын
Cliffe you hit the nail on the head, Well done Cliffe.
@cleancutimage5105
@cleancutimage5105 3 жыл бұрын
I always wonder how many of these students find Christ after he speaks to them.
@1godonlyone119
@1godonlyone119 11 жыл бұрын
"Hell" simply means separation from God. If the student doesn't want to go to hell, all he needs to do is accept God and stop running away from him.
@vxenon67
@vxenon67 7 жыл бұрын
I thank my Lord God for my life.
@TheMirabillis
@TheMirabillis 11 жыл бұрын
That young fellow is on purpose running away from the truth. If someone said to him… It would be ok if someone came & tortured & raped your family members & stole all your belongings - then he would know something was really ( objectively ) bad and wrong with that.
@MoralDecay
@MoralDecay 11 жыл бұрын
these videos always brighten up my day. thanks!
@atinotevuelveaimportar5905
@atinotevuelveaimportar5905 3 жыл бұрын
17:50 this guy has just admitted that would have kill, tortured and experimented with jews in the German Nazi times: it was legal, society woulndn’t reprehensive him and it would have made him happy because was a social movement. This is the atheist real outcome: absolute evil
@1godonlyone119
@1godonlyone119 10 жыл бұрын
11:51 -- The boy who self-identifies as atheist says "I don't know that I'm right." Bingo! LOL =)
@1godonlyone119
@1godonlyone119 10 жыл бұрын
All human beings know for certain that God's unique qualities and activities are factual, and this includes you.
@Bak3dB3an
@Bak3dB3an 11 жыл бұрын
8:40 Cliffe should mention that it's good that God is just. Forgiveness and justice are good things. For people who might do horrible things, get away with it and are unrepentent.
@faithfulpatriot4008
@faithfulpatriot4008 2 жыл бұрын
When I hear the way these kids think, it's truly scary. It seems obvious that their parents have done a horrible job in parenting. They literally have no hope in them. Which makes them incredibly dangerous to society and mankind as a whole.
@thepeej5
@thepeej5 5 ай бұрын
8:27 The kid is sayin he doesnt wanna believe in hell, something never proven to exist, and Cliffe says, "Sir, you gotta deal with reality" 😅🥴😜😂😂😂😅😭😭😭😭
@thepeej5
@thepeej5 5 ай бұрын
Also, "if goodness never wins, then life is meaningless" is a horrific way to think. Just ponder on how many injustices happen on earth....any of those goin under "Almighty God's" radar would mean everybody's life is meaningless? A couple tourists get killed, no one is ever caught, and their murderers go on to have loving families and live to be elderly. Aaaand now, since there's no justice ......life was meaningless?!? What kinda messy logic is that ish? Haha. And how are Mother Teresa and Hitler remembered now, by the way? Oh, that's why you used those examples, cause of the historical evidence of how they each lived?...right right, that is some stuff you'd say, ain't it?
@TheRyuzaki3
@TheRyuzaki3 11 жыл бұрын
Why do all of these college atheists ask the same questions?
@rythmhtyr1w2e89
@rythmhtyr1w2e89 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome Cactus....
@TheMirabillis
@TheMirabillis 11 жыл бұрын
Why should I have an obligation to live life the way you believe I should live ? Why should I subject myself under your way of viewing things instead of my own ? It is not that I am going to get rewarded or punished when I die. So, why should I or anyone else have a obligation to stop what we are doing & 'fall into line' on what you think ?
@oceanceaser44
@oceanceaser44 11 жыл бұрын
do you have the footage of that? would be kinda interesting to see what he resorts to when he is faced with a competent adversary
@oceanceaser44
@oceanceaser44 11 жыл бұрын
How did I miss that debate? Do you know where i can watch it now?
@jeandorneau3174
@jeandorneau3174 7 ай бұрын
Does anyone know the theme music that’s played at the end?
@MrJordanstrange
@MrJordanstrange 11 жыл бұрын
Your awesome cliffs
@Saunders7
@Saunders7 11 жыл бұрын
good stuff
@Brucev7
@Brucev7 11 жыл бұрын
In order to have morals, you must have a moral, law giver.
@starkiddo83
@starkiddo83 3 ай бұрын
The O2 tube stop has a world wide shoe shop called Dune founded and run by a Daniel.
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
Do I have to register?
@dannylinc6247
@dannylinc6247 2 жыл бұрын
It's simple, Jesus stands at the door of your heart and knocks. If you reject Him and deny Him, you made your choice. If you keep making that same choice, He will deny you when the judgement comes. If you accept Christ, His blood covers your sin. He speaks up for you. You have a passionate benefactor on that day. You live without evil in your heart, no malice, no envy, etc. until that day. Whether it's one day or a million.
@dannylinc6247
@dannylinc6247 2 жыл бұрын
@@dperkins01 what, the Bible teaches you these things. You invite Christ into your heart. The blood of Christ washes away sin for us , as we are, in our condition, and at the judgement. He will be at the Bema seat. Those He knows are His. Those He doesn't, he may have to say, you did all you did, but I never knew you. Those souls go to the Father for theirs. This is why having a savior in Christ is so important. We are washed in the blood. Did you not know? Now's the time to find out if you're not being taught. You can check with Dr. Gene Kim. He can give the scriptures that illustrate this, he can draw you a picture if you think only worldly thoughts. You can begin to grasp the meanings, who they were said to, and how much of it directly applies if you rightly divide and apply scripture with historical an cultural reference to deduce from it, what it means to mankind. The sacrifices of animals in the old covenant were a "covering over" for sin. The death on the cross and the blood on the mercy seat are our sign for redemption. "Washed in the blood of the lamb" Do you not understand?
@taysolodo
@taysolodo Жыл бұрын
@@dperkins01 that’s why He died yes. His innocent sinless blood covers a multitude of sin
@danielm121
@danielm121 3 жыл бұрын
The young man doesn’t want to accept the amazing gift God gives us through His Son Jesus because the other option or possibility of going to hell is a concept too horrible to accept? Well I’m wondering if someone offered him a brand new car, would he not take it because there have been too many lives ruined in terrible accidents and have suffered or because the possibility of crashing and dying while driving is just too horrible of a thought to accept? 🤔 I just don’t understand how people can refuse such an amazing offer from God when given the opportunity yet instead will hypothetically focus more on what will happen if they don’t accept it? But as Cliffe said usually it’s because they don’t want to let go of their sin 😒 I just pray they realize how amazing God’s love, grace and mercy is before it’s too late 😔🙏🏼
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
That didn't have anything to do with my statement, CS. If you're just doing what Cliffe does and picking random answers from a hat, I don't see much incentive to continue this discussion with you.
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 10 жыл бұрын
at about 14:18 Cliffe says if there is nothing after death, life is meaningless, I would wholeheartedly disagree with that. I believe this is our only life, and it's up to us to make the most out of it, my life certainly doesn't lack meaning, life is a wonderful adventure to be explored and lived. Not all of us are lucky enough to live in relative comfort, millions around the world aren't afforded that luxury, they have to contend with poverty, starvation, war,disease, and any number of other set backs, we are the lucky ones, we can help those who are in need in any number of ways, giving to charities, or maybe volunteer work. We are fortunate to be in the position we find ourselves, and we can help others. Life is what you make it.
@1godonlyone119
@1godonlyone119 10 жыл бұрын
You are wrong on all counts.
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 10 жыл бұрын
***** This is my own personal view 1GodOnlyOne, other views are available. :-)
@MrSlickJerk
@MrSlickJerk 9 жыл бұрын
bonnie43uk The point Cliffe is making is that if there is nothing after death then there is no objective meaning of life. People can create a meaning for their life but that is just a notion in your head, it is not reality. The meaning of your life is just a made up belief. You are just deluding yourself. It is no different than a person who imagines himself in fantasy world.
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 9 жыл бұрын
MrSlickJerk Yes, but that is ridiculous. I can assure you my life has great meaning and it's not a notion in my head, my meaning and purpose also has consequences on others around me. Certainly no fantasy, I help cancer patients, you are free to ask them if my life is meaningless
@MrSlickJerk
@MrSlickJerk 9 жыл бұрын
bonnie43uk Again, you are missing the point. What makes you think that helping cancer patients is the purpose of your life. You just made an arbitrary choice. You could have made a different choice and it would have been equally valid in your view. Therefore, there is no objective meaning of life. It is just subjective. Whatever you make it to be. If someone think that his purpose is to steal others money, how is that different than your purpose? It is just a choice. Just like yours.
@markmcsw
@markmcsw 11 жыл бұрын
"Uli doesn't care about anything. He's a Nihilist..." "That must be exhausting."
@vxenon67
@vxenon67 7 жыл бұрын
what's Cliffes stats in his college days and what his position in basketball.
@TheRyuzaki3
@TheRyuzaki3 11 жыл бұрын
According to whose standard?
@oceanceaser44
@oceanceaser44 11 жыл бұрын
Well it feels good because we have evolved to be a social species that flourishes by helping each other... and morally because in order to be consistent with our beliefs that 1. we should have good done to us, by anybody, and that 2. because we are no different than anybody, therefore everybody deserves to have good done to them by anybody.
@Bak3dB3an
@Bak3dB3an 11 жыл бұрын
if you kick a homeless person, there may be a consequence, if you kick a policeman there may be a more serious consequence, if you kick a judge there be an even more serious consequence, if you kick a president you'll probably get blown away by security, if you kick a member of royalty it probs even worse. If you offend an eternal being, the punishment would be eternal by definition. it's not the act, it's who you offend. what hitler did was unjust, don't you think its just to apply the same?
@Maryziya777
@Maryziya777 11 жыл бұрын
why can,t people just accept the fact that Holy Father is real, if God doesn't exist-then we don't either, and why do people keep ranting about that they believe that God is false just because there is many people that are poor and sick in the world, People don't starve because of God, or because they don't Pray enough, ITS BECAUSE NO ONE HELPS THEIR FELLOW MAN, they rant at us- Where was God? I say- Where were YOU???
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
So? Sending a person to a place where you know they will be torture is nearly morally equivalent to torturing them yourself. You still worship a monster who willingly sends people to be tortured.
@TheMirabillis
@TheMirabillis 11 жыл бұрын
I am not confusing intrinsic to material. Suppose I got killed in a car accident tomorrow. The result being that there is nothing after when I die. Why should I have an obligation to live life the way you believe I should live ? Why should I subject myself under your way of viewing things instead of my own ? It is not that I am going to get rewarded or punished when I die. So, why should I or anyone else have a obligation to stop what we are doing & 'fall into line' on what you think ?
@TheRyuzaki3
@TheRyuzaki3 11 жыл бұрын
How do you define evil, without a standard?
@ua6440
@ua6440 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful
@christiansanelli2015
@christiansanelli2015 11 жыл бұрын
It seems you don't know what the words 'contingent' or 'eternal' mean.
@TheMirabillis
@TheMirabillis 11 жыл бұрын
Fish can swim, birds can fly, snakes can slither, human beings can reason with human reason. So ? Nature is "indifferent" to all of that. Treating human beings "as if" they are intrinsically morally valuable & have intrinsic moral worth is a subjective illusion. If God does not exist then we are just a result of chance & when we die there is nothing after that. Any purpose, value, moral & meaning I give life is my own. There is nothing that is really good or bad & right or wrong.
@Alangiuroiu
@Alangiuroiu 9 жыл бұрын
Everyone On the planet Knows that God exists and is without excuse. Truth presupposes a God. Now look into the Gospels and find that Jesus is reliable and trust in Him. Stop running away from the God you KNOW exists.
@SuperSlartibartfast
@SuperSlartibartfast 9 жыл бұрын
+Alangiuroiu Everyone on the planet obviously doesn't know that a god exist otherwise there would be no athiests. It is obvious that not eveyone knows your god otherwise there would be only one religion.
@Alangiuroiu
@Alangiuroiu 9 жыл бұрын
Sure they do, we all know a creator exists most people do. Jesus claimed to be God and I trust because of enough evidence to point to him being reliable and trusting. Its foolish to not believe in God. Its like me saying I don't believe in words. Its clear a God exists. You can choose to suppress the truth of your knowledge of God its your choice. Its like trying to hold down a beach ball under water its very hard but you can hold it down. Many follow myths Jesus is no myth. There is only 1 truth and its found in Jesus. Please read the Gospels for yourself. Many Hypocrites in this world including Christians ect.. follow Jesus not man. Read the book of John and tell me Jesus is not someone to look into. If you have then why not trust in him? Again everyone knows God exists but choose not to submit to his authority. Thanks
@SuperSlartibartfast
@SuperSlartibartfast 9 жыл бұрын
Alangiuroiu Despite what you say it is NOT evident that a god exists and less evident still that that god is the one you worship. If he was evident why are there other religions?
@Alangiuroiu
@Alangiuroiu 9 жыл бұрын
Its pretty easy a child could understand 1.A watch has a maker/Designer 2.A painting has a painter 3.A Building has a builder 4.A Plane has a maker/Designer 5.A planet/Universe has a creator/designer Even the Moral Argument is enough to conclude that there has to be some type of creator. We can talk about if you wish. Its more plausible to use this logic then to say other wise. I cannot prove or disprove there is a God. So with this reasoning/logic I need some evidence IF a God really exists what are my options?? I have studied some of the Leading religions and only 2 have reasonable tangible evidence for there faith/God being True. ISLAM OR CHRISTIANITY We don't have to go into why i didn't go with Muhammad I am sure you have seen the evil/Violence its faith teaches in the Quran which i am currently reading. I look at the way Jesus lived taught and what happened after he Died. The evidence points to him being trustworthy. If you search there is plenty of evidence for putting your faith in jesus and not in Atheism or any other option. Thank you.
@SuperSlartibartfast
@SuperSlartibartfast 9 жыл бұрын
Alangiuroiu What is your experience of universes being created? We know buildings and planes have creators because we have experience of their creation but you have no experience of any universes being created at all. Therefore you cannot say a god is responsible.
@Brucev7
@Brucev7 11 жыл бұрын
If you referring to what you took out of context, and this has already been visited, as you well know, why would I desire to stray off the path of truth. You need to seek the truth. Why do you fear so?
@cleancutimage5105
@cleancutimage5105 3 жыл бұрын
What Cliffe doesn’t explain to this kids is that there is probably some patriarch/matriarch somewhere down the line in their family that believed in God or some god and developed their idea of what is good/bad based on their belief in God or a god. I highly doubt that these kids come from a family of atheists for thousands of years.
@armandoc.3150
@armandoc.3150 2 жыл бұрын
They probably could bro but main thing is to have them understand it doesnt matter where you come from or where you start, learn and read for yourself then converse with others.
@oceanceaser44
@oceanceaser44 11 жыл бұрын
Well he is talking to passer bys who never expected or prepared to be doing that when they woke up in the morning.. it's harder to think on the spot when Cliffe is asking them things that they may have never thought about before.
@GeometryCube1
@GeometryCube1 7 ай бұрын
sooo... are you atheist or not? kinda late but; ¿are you?
@Brucev7
@Brucev7 11 жыл бұрын
Nothing you or any Atheist you can say, can change a mind transformed by YHWH. Once again, your motive is to attempt to bring deception onto the truth, impossible. 'Yea, hath God saith?'
@CGimmorta
@CGimmorta 11 жыл бұрын
I knew that you would say that God he committed genocide and slavery. The sad thing is that you have not read the bible you go off of what other people have told you. All of those thing you said about genocide and slavery are taken completely out of context the slaves then were not the slaves now. The slaves then were people that where in debt do to them not being able to pay the tab. The slaves now were forced by others they were taken from there home land to work some were else for free.
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
Well first off, I'm not fighting because your god doesn't actually exist. But secondly, even if he DID, his punishments are both illegitimate and excessive. I would have no choice but to oppose a monster like that. I don't "repent" to tyrants, JiL, I defy them and aid others to escape them.
@_the_watcher_2089
@_the_watcher_2089 3 жыл бұрын
You know how on some days when you wake up and your like dang I woke up, if death is like being asleep well that would be great of itself.
@TheMirabillis
@TheMirabillis 11 жыл бұрын
Why are you on this thread ? You obviously didn't listen to Cliffe's video. You have not shown yet that human beings have intrinsic moral value & worth. You are only assuming so. // The atheist must assess the objective evidence to determine the best source of action in life. // The best source of action ? What is our aim and purpose in life then ?
@oceanceaser44
@oceanceaser44 11 жыл бұрын
I can't accept that the holy father was real because it would be irrational given the evidence I have seen.
@CGimmorta
@CGimmorta 11 жыл бұрын
well hell is the penalty for rejecting God. which is death not a physical death but a spiritual death and you will be torchered in hell by hearing all the times you had the chance to embrace God but you did not. Also keep in mined the hell was not made for us it was made for lucifer and his fallen angels.
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
Because it's not a fact. Facts are demonstrable.
@ChiefCedricJohnson
@ChiefCedricJohnson Жыл бұрын
1 Peter 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
Perhaps, but you can't fix that problem with Christianity. It suffers the same limitations, only kicking the problem up to someone else to deal with, which doesn't actually solve it.
@1godonlyone119
@1godonlyone119 11 жыл бұрын
He didn't do that.
@1godonlyone119
@1godonlyone119 11 жыл бұрын
KZbin member "Toasty McGrath" is a liar.
@NewCreationInChrist896
@NewCreationInChrist896 2 жыл бұрын
Only GOD knows the complexities and depths of each human. Don't go to hell because others don't want GOD by not wanting to give up their sin. Don't become a reprobate. Proverbs 3:5-6
@legacydentco
@legacydentco Жыл бұрын
Someone hurt this young man. Would love to know where he’s at now.
@aznation4592
@aznation4592 3 жыл бұрын
Why can’t this kid get it 👏
@NewCreationInChrist896
@NewCreationInChrist896 2 жыл бұрын
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 1 John 5:19 😈
@oceanceaser44
@oceanceaser44 11 жыл бұрын
So you are saying two different things here, first: anything god does is morally correct, and second: He would not kill/torture/cause pain because he is all good. The problem here is that the first claims that he creates morals, but the secondclaims he subscribes to morals that exist outside of Himself. If the first is true then God's definition of "good" loses all meaning and is simply "what god does." If the second is true then God is not a requirement for morals
@Saunders7
@Saunders7 11 жыл бұрын
He did not lie?? he was challenged.Open ur eyes!!!!! Jesus is the way and the Truth!
@christiansanelli2015
@christiansanelli2015 11 жыл бұрын
I didn't say that. I said something/someone external has to be the objective basis for morality. Atheism entails no objective basis for morality.
@oceanceaser44
@oceanceaser44 11 жыл бұрын
Cliffe, I have looked for god my whole life, and I'm not deliberately choosing to live separately from him... you, along with the almost every christian I have talked to doesn't seem to understand that us atheists don't "hate" god, or turn our backs to him... we don't believe in him. The "evidence" doesn't lead us to believe in god's existence.
@YourIndoctrination
@YourIndoctrination 11 жыл бұрын
Have you died? How do you know that? There's is also evidence for NDE's. As far as humans having worth and value? Well arguing certainly shows there is value especially between conscious beings like us? Would you prefer people to believe they are worthless?
@1godonlyone119
@1godonlyone119 11 жыл бұрын
Yes, the atheist does have faith that something came from nothing.
@christiansanelli2015
@christiansanelli2015 11 жыл бұрын
TheMirabillis is right. There is no objective basis for morality without someone/something outside the natural realm defining that basis. vulpix has yet to rebut this adequately.
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
Uh, no, I just kept pressing you to actually address the issue and you refused (like you are doing again). My basis of morality is the definition of morality. I don't know how you aren't understanding this. Perhaps you should tell me your basis to illustrate, and we can see what isn't sinking in from that.
@oceanceaser44
@oceanceaser44 11 жыл бұрын
Cutting a head of lettuce is a gain without infringing on anyone's rights... cutting offf your head Cliffe would infringe upon your rights, for no (good) reason. That is why I won't do it.
@Conclusionary3843
@Conclusionary3843 11 ай бұрын
This comment is a decade old
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
And if you kick the president, the Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution still protects you from torture: "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."
@oilimelavobnas5533
@oilimelavobnas5533 3 жыл бұрын
Es muy triste ver tanta incredilidad en las UNIVERSIDADES. Tanta sabiduría, que el Creador y Dios en Cristo Jesús les ha dado. Y aun así, prefieren creer que después de la muerte, no hay nada más. Duele el alma, que nosotros cono hombres, entre más letra sabemos, más necios y tercos llegamos a ser. Que la gracia de nuestro Señor Jesucristo, sea con cada uno de nosotros. En el nombre del Señor Jesús. Amén !!!
@CGimmorta
@CGimmorta 11 жыл бұрын
Ok so you say that i worship a monster how can you really think that. God has never done a evil thing God has only done good. To say that God willingly lets you go to hell is wrong you made a choice to go to hell by rejecting God and God gave you free will to accept or reject him. For him to force you to go to Heaven would be wrong because that will violate your free will.
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
But wait, you guys keep trying to convince me that these are OBJECTIVE, ABSOLUTE morals. Now you're telling me that moral systems change over time? Make up your minds!
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
Even if that was true (and I have not been convinced that it is), it still cannot be the god of the bible. Just look up the article "If God was at Nuremberg" on the Adversus Apologetica weblog. There is no way that any laws coming from a monster like that can possibly be moral.
@knxcholx
@knxcholx 4 ай бұрын
That guy in the blue shirt is very very lost. I hope someone can guide him properly. Because, it is sad to hear him speak
@cherubimfilms
@cherubimfilms 11 жыл бұрын
If there is no God, the "objectively verifiable evidence" is subjective since it varies between who you talk to or which society you're in. Objective morals can only exist if there is a mind before human's minds to create that moral law. So if there is no mind before human mind to govern that, it is subjective to each human individual that you talk too.
@Sldejo
@Sldejo 11 жыл бұрын
Evolution vs God . C o m. If you are an atheist, prepare to have your faith shaken.
@Brucev7
@Brucev7 11 жыл бұрын
There is no reason to look at something is just a misdirection.
@christiansanelli2015
@christiansanelli2015 11 жыл бұрын
But God isn't a contingent being. He is believed to be eternal - thus He may (I say may, though) not need an explanation for His existence.
@PropheSAY
@PropheSAY 11 жыл бұрын
This stance led to a dead end for ya, Cliffe. Debating objectivity and subjectivity is a slippery slope... still riding with Christ tho.
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
So do you deny that the hell he sends people to is a place of pain and torment?
@JohnjOcampo
@JohnjOcampo Жыл бұрын
It's the eternal separation of your soul from God, not the eternal torture of your physical body.
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath Жыл бұрын
@@JohnjOcampo That's a more respectable interpretation than I usually get, but you do realize the VAST majority of Christians believe otherwise.
@kaollino
@kaollino 11 жыл бұрын
Repent of what? Everything that we do is necessary to us. What do you have to say about it?
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
Let me put it this way, JiL. I've never thrown a human being into a lake of fire. That makes "sinfulness" far less evil than your god's crimes.
@oceanceaser44
@oceanceaser44 11 жыл бұрын
So if His nature was to kill and torture and cause pain, then that would be seen as moral to us humans?
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
And frankly, I wouldn't trust Bill Craig's website with it. I don't trust that man as far as I can throw him.
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
Doing that to ANYONE is unjust. Simply by definition alone.
@jtslev
@jtslev 3 жыл бұрын
By what standard of justice?
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 3 жыл бұрын
What do you mean "standard?"
@jtslev
@jtslev 3 жыл бұрын
@@ToastyMcGrath what is justice? What’s your standard for justifying what justice is?
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 3 жыл бұрын
@@jtslev I don't know what you mean by "standard." Justice doesn't work like that.
@jtslev
@jtslev 3 жыл бұрын
@@ToastyMcGrath what’s justice? That’s all I’m asking. You called something unjust, by definition. I’m just wondering what your definition is??
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
So now hell is just the death penalty? You used to be okay with it being a torture chamber before, why the sudden change from you, JiL?
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
Wait, what makes a magical fairy tale character necessary for morality?
@vijayxvijay
@vijayxvijay 11 жыл бұрын
Nietzsche, Camus, Russell - They were intelligent. Not like the kittens I see nowadays. Literally a waste of time talking to people who are not intelligent and rant against theists
@Brucev7
@Brucev7 11 жыл бұрын
How can a reasoned, saint, respond to an nonsensical and irrational statement such as yours. Until you open your mind to see the truth, you will not entertain such. If I were to recite a "monster", no one could dispute any evil ruler of history(human), mass murder, or armies that carry out, or did, horrendous acts. And by your comment, you believe God does exist. And I and many feel, the above mentioned men of evil, did and do exist. By material and physical means.
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
That's what every former-Christian I've ever met once said.
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
Then you clearly didn't even have the intellectual honesty to read the article I directed you to. And I have no interest in conversing with dishonest people, Bruce.
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
Either that, or give me the definition of morality. Either choice, I leave it up to you.
@ToastyMcGrath
@ToastyMcGrath 11 жыл бұрын
Torture is never just, JiL. Eternal torture is thus the most evil crime possible.
@Brucev7
@Brucev7 11 жыл бұрын
and 'Ol Fred went nuts......
@TheRyuzaki3
@TheRyuzaki3 11 жыл бұрын
We've already dealt with that topic. You ran away, remember? Both times. Now tell me where you get your basis of morality.
@mackdmara
@mackdmara 6 жыл бұрын
That kids world view denies the outcome & the lack of a point to life. Unless God created you for a purpose, you ultimately have no purpose. That is the reality. From that kids point of view everyone is lying to themselves. Thus, why is Cliffe's lie better than his own lie. He never considers the point that he may be wrong. That is why Cliffe cannot teach him, he is sure he already knows. I wonder if you asked him if he had an open mind, would he say yes? I bet he would, but clearly he does not.
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