Gladiator by default? Rating Inflation & Reasons to stay motivated

[@epicwinguyz]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Condemn Warrior. The rotation is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the gameplay will go over a typical gamer's head. There's also the Venthyr's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into their characterisation- the Covenant Lore draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The warrior players understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of this class, to realise that it’s not just fun and engaging gameplay, the gameplay says something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Condemn Warriors truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the red button lighting up, and the warrior gamer acquiring an erection, reaching true transcendence, and screaming ‘BIG DAM’, which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpleton priests or rogues scratching their heads in confusion as Blizzards ™ genius class design unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools.. how I pity them.

[@darkjak224]

This aged awfully. It's been zug zug kyrian spear for longer than condemn lmao

[@epicwinguyz]

@@darkjak224 bruh who even played shadowlands past season 1

[@darkjak224]

@@epicwinguyz Me

[@epicwinguyz]

disgusting

[@dagakoify]

I just wanted to say that since I follow you my rating has improved.. I'm 1.8k now which is !"%#"% according to everyone, but it was really difficult for me to get there and I'm proud. My friend and I were constatly facing people with 40khp+ in every single arena since 1.6k, it was insane. It was very hard. I won't stop believing, I will try my best and get to glad, even though sometimes I die in 1 second with 30% versa and in D stance.

[@Spookycasual]

The fact that people think 1800 is trash is one of the more toxic behaviors i've noticed. 1800 is good. Youre better than a large large majority of players. anyone thinking 1800 is bad is an elitist POS

[@markuse787]

I agree with Skyler. Don't let anybody tell you that 1800 is trash! 1800 is trash in RBG and EVERYONE can get their gear with RBG. But even with gear 1800 in arena brackets is REALLY fine. I heard that in 2v2 over 1800 is like only 10% of the playerbase and i think this seems like kinda accurate if you think about how BAD boosting and gear-economy is.

[@HotCoolz77]

I like wow, I like my warrior, I like pvp, but when I go into LFG and try to look for someone to play it's making me puke, waste of time.

[@Fadedsleepy]

Are you horde or ally? I have an hpal on horde and always like to play with a warrior. Add me and we can que :) Currently 221 Ilvl with 30^ Vers, 1800 cr in 2s and 3s but don't mind just playing games since my main team hasn't been consistent due to RL. Fadedsleepy#1623

[@Sleepy-Jimmy]

0:55 what add-on is that? The one in the middle showing the sudden death talent

[@strenghta]

a weak aura tracking sudden death proc

[@Sleepy-Jimmy]

@@strenghta thanks

[@PierrotGourmand_]

Any chance we get to see the end of the fresh account pushing glad in LFG video serie ? Loved it !

[@epicwinguyz]

something tells me it encountered a few snags along the way

[@fomhuynh7894]

i like the gear upgrade system, they just need to lock players into the next tier they achieve and anyone that queues with them will queue in that tier. meaning 0-1400 bracket and once you hit 1401cr you are locked into the 1401-1600 bracket and so forth. meaning boosters will have to play in their highest achieved bracket for 2's or 3's on that toon.

[@fomhuynh7894]

it will gear lock you into a bracket where you are going against others in the same gear ilvl. makes too much sense imo. meaning everyone will beable to achieve 2100 maybe and everyone above will battle in the same bracket 2101+ for status/rank

[@maxfischer8977]

@@fomhuynh7894 Did you play BFA? Do we really have to experience this shitty scaling? Was one expansion not enough?

[@Handcannon77]

Honestly in the past few weeks Ive just stopped queing all together for numerous reasons. Firstly, some of the changes that were made recently that made things like double rogue one shotting stupidly broken, ret pallys becoming even stronger (whilst their outright one shot potential is lower with Toll, their overall burst with final verdict now is just super silly), WW monk SCK buff/fix has become something that can pretty much one shot you/chunk you for 80% of your hp with a chiji proc(and they just overall have insanely high damage to begin with) etc. Then theres just the fact I was finding it extremely difficult to push past 2k in RBG and push past around 1900 in 3s (dont even touch 2s anymore because its so unfun when you dont play warr/rogue/WW or RM) with how many times id face glad players in the 1900-2k MMR range or r1s or people just boosting in general. Then theres just the simple fact that trying to play through LFG is just tiring and its difficult to find good players to play and push with, many of my friends have either stopped queing or quit the game all together and I just have no one really left to que with. Im sure if I had a solid team I could consistently que with Id probably still be queing but without that it really removes a lot of the fun from queing at this point in the season where things are dead to begin with.

[@Lord_Leland]

I'll be honest, it's hard as hell to be motivated. Can hardly even play matches, just have had a hard time getting consistent people to play with. People queue a few times then drift off, whether from in game or discord or reddit, even from my friends lol. And then when I pug, it's just horrible, pretty much just right off the bat lose 1-3 games and then group falls away. Pretty much is just a way to tank rating tbh. So have just given up because can't even really play fun games where I can try to improve. I just raid log for my guild's mythic raids and then play other games. I wanted to try to push further than I had last season which was duelist, maybe even go for glad, but hell, lacking consistent teammates just guts that from the start.

[@treemustach]

One of the issues for me about the rating system is that when I play with my friends who are sitting at 207/213 gear each game becomes difficult and longer. I got 1600 in 2s, and got 213 and it felt way nicer to play. I was at 1475 in 3's and got to play with 2 fully geared 226ilvl guildies one day in 3s and in that session, won every game till about 1700, and then i a bit back and forth till I ended up with 1800cr in 3s. Now im upgrading my gear, but what was insane to me was the dmg difference those guys did compared to my friends. If it wasnt for the kindness of thos guildies wanting to fk around and help me, i dont think 1800 would have been possible in a reasonable time. That being said, i play healer and we had a really good win% when i did get 1800, so the question is, am I good enough to reach 1800 or was is simply just gear + some better skilled teammates that brought be there. It is hard to say. I dont want to talk shit about my friends cause when i do play with them we have a positive winrate, just not enough to where we win every game and gain 200/300cr in a single session.

[@Goomba_YT]

KZbin had this video on my home page twice at the same time. I guess they really want me to watch it.

[@euricoguidetti4605]

The boosts and carries needs to end. I don't care if they ban boosters, or make them play at their own mmr exp (are you a gladiator, then boost your bitches at 2400+ mmr). I'm tired of being a 205 ilvl 33k health in 1500 alt trying to get 1600 facing 220ish gladiators booster/carriers. How can I possibly even have a good game experience or have a chance?

[@V_baddict]

Also, one thing I always wondered. Why is it hard to pair up boosters against other boosters? Like if one dude is 42k hp and the other is 33k, the system should find a match up that is the same gear individually. Why does blizzard think its okay to pair up 42k, 33k vs two 33k. Like, its not that hard to fix it.

[@tdmc6428]

They don’t want to judge hp as player skill. Wouldn’t it be unfair to the 40k hp pve’er who has never touched a game of pvp in their life and want to learn to have to play against some random gladiator player? Averaging the rating is kinda a big problem though, as the average rating isn’t enough to take into account the slope in how much player skill comes into play at higher ratings. A 1600 group is not the same worth as a group with a glad player, even if the other one is low rated

[@V_baddict]

@@tdmc6428 i would rather have the 40k pve player play against a glad player than a 30k avg pvp player because a 40k pve player can press a few buttons and insta delete the 30k player. That is exactly what you want to avoid in order to maintain an enjoyable and playable environment. No one likes it when you are a average pvp player and you get one shot by a newbie pve player only cuz of the gear mismatch. Also, the system should match up both the hp and CR, not just one or the other. In this case, a starting 40k pve player queuing 2s will meet glads (who got glad in 3s or RBG for example but low CR in 2s) but not all the time. Very quickly, these glads will pass thru the low CR and all that's left is 40k pve players at, let's say, 1300 cr. This can be easily implemented. Only downside is longer queue time since the system will have to match both gear and current cr (or avg cr across all characters).

[@V_baddict]

For the longest time, I was stuck in 1400 and I found a pretty nice mage dude, 1600 ish, thru lfg and we got to 1800 in a couple of hours, two sessions. I still can't believe it cuz every opponent had more gear than me and most of them had 220 plus gear. In short, you need to be 1.5x better in coordination or skill to really climb especially cuz of gear mismatch. I guess that makes you feel more accomplished if you can get to the new tier rating but only if you make it.. otherwise you just get discouraged more and more every game.

[@Brodysseus_wow]

I’m probably in the minority here, but I don’t mind the boosting at all. One of the primary motivations for boosting is getting PvP gear for PvE players. Shadowlands is my first time ever putting any real effort into PvP and I am really enjoying it so far, but I never would have even started down that path without the motivation to get the gear for PvE. Also, I see a lot more boosters in trade chat than I ever see in the arena. I don’t think the problem is as prevalent as people act like it is. It seems like a lot of people want to use boosters as a scapegoat for why their rating isn’t as high as they believe it should be. As someone who is new to arena, I look at teams that are an obvious boost as an opportunity for an easy win. If I can identify the boostee from the booster, I can make the call to change our primary kill target to the person who is less likely to be comfortable being trained. Even if we lose the game, oh well, we were outplayed by people who are SUPPOSED to outplay us. Queue up and move on.

[@TheViper277]

That is the point that they are trying to make. Being matched up with a booster does not necessarily entail that you were outplayed due to the massive gear difference in shadowlands. A 226 ilvl player will eat alive a ~215 player unless he is an amazing player.

[@Brodysseus_wow]

@@TheViper277 When it comes to boosters, they have better gear than you because they play better than you. Not the other way around. I know there are people who might out gear you because they bought a boost or they got geared from RBGs or PvE. However, those people are not boosting others in arena because they likely don’t have the skills required to carry someone else.

[@trevorwiemelt3042]

appreciate your content 10/10 would recommend to everyone

[@tehdz]

Ban boosting let's start there I know solo que will be important but banning boosting is a necessary start

[@maxfischer8977]

How do you want to ban in? This expansion for example I reached 2,1k on my main, some friends had a break, came back and wanted to play. I was obviously way ahead in gear, am I forced to play an alt now? What if two friends are simply playing on different skill levels, are they not allowed to play together anymore or what exactly is your solution to stop boosting?

[@V_baddict]

@@maxfischer8977 you can't ban boosting. But introducing solo queue would make it so much better. If you're playing with a pug, it's a party queue and you'll be paired with a similar match up, some 2100 playing with their pug. Sure, it'll take slightly longer queue time but its the only way I see most fair.

[@maxfischer8977]

@@V_baddict Ye but that's not boosting ban.

[@mantequillas1278]

At some point 50% of the players were at 1400s. For gear sake im ok with the inflation to make it more even. As far as gladiator it should be that 0.5% as it was before. Lower people's rating every week so people can't sit at their rating and inflation should push them off that gladiator position. That way we have way less boosters or people playing with viewers.

[@PinkiesBrain]

We are pvp first timers, I did 1.650cr on my mage in 2 weeks in decembre. No gear, no knowledge, no macros. By now I have trouble to play at 1600cr on my arms, 213 gs, all macros, thousand games in the bank. I recently made an Hpal, yesterday 40 games with rnd dude alt (2k sxp) we had around 60% win rate at 1200 to 1350... Ppl were extremely good, considering the rating was elo hell. In the evening we did premade games for 5 hours. I googled every player except the Russians (kyrillic) in the last 20 games and kept notes. We had exactly 4 games vs ppl on same (real) rating. About 30 % were against current or ex gladiators and multi glads( alts n mains) . Another 40 to 50 ish % was against at least one ppl who had at least one or more toons currently at 2.2k to 2.4k cr in slands. Getting outgeared is a problem, but (to me) the smaller one... Thing is, it's ok from a learning pov, but it feels incredibly bad to be hardstuck at around 1.5k in 2s while playing those kinda dudes...

[@GrungeRockGod]

Gear was the biggest issue why I quit. It got to a point where it felt like every team i queued against had 6k more health than me and it was impossible to win solely because of gear. Not fun.

[@cyrielroelofs]

I can't even get to 1600 let alone above 2k. Still stuck with 208 item level so i hate how everyone i get to face has 40k hp.

[@dagakoify]

I feel you bro. Gear makes a huge difference.

[@tdmc6428]

Now ignore the fact that 1 shotting is kinda aids, I as a ele shaman being able to 1 shot people with similar gear to me 208 but I run into someone with 40k and that same one shot combo into no defensives does about 20% of their hp is utterly ridiculous

[@jonny6890]

im 2.1 now as a dk you think its possible?

[@siakhoj5970]

@warroid here is simple solution to balance and motivate everyone play pvp : 1)bracket locked , when you reach 1400 , u play people with 1400-1600 ...etc 2) soloq instead of same comps again and again you learn to play with diffrent classes (it will be rng but will be same for both side) and lfg would be after 2400 when every one has same gear they can push for r1 for best comps 3)weekly reward base on bracket as transmog pet gold or even wow token(like top 100) that resets weekly and flat your rating to your bracket 4)balances for specs that are dead , like tanks and mistweaver or demonology(i know people hate to play against tanks , but they are specs that have pvp talent and they deserve to be accepted in pvp , like brewmaster ) and it so unfair tell a player that they dont deserve to play their favorite spec in arena because everything is untuned. 5) covevent class spell removed but keep the general ability ( sheild potion blink and blink with fear) i know some people love their covenent class ability but the problem is if major performance of your class comes from 1 button , it just makes the class design unbalanced and incomplete) 6) damage of alll classes need to be adjusted , if i am using my trinket + my def cd and still getting 1 gcd , it just removes the fun out of the game .(i got stock in 1800 as mistweaverd,i am still considered godlike player for my spec and not getting boosted, now on my 3 weeks old alt hpaly got to 2100. and i been playing mistweaver for more than 5 years while i didnt play hpaly until recently. out of all tanks , we only have protection paladins and thats it , what about druid warrior dh or bdk . their classes are fun to play. 7)combine rating of alll pvp , rbg dou and trio . if 3 diffrent path gives same gear , it wont make sense to have diffrent lfg for them ,and u can put restrictions, like if i want to play with your partner , u only can play 3s or higher , and maximum of 5 party in rbgs. if they add these , we wont face unbalance arenas , no more boosting ( still they can couch which i am fine wifh it and blizzard can make money out of them ), and a good reason to play after 2400 cause of r1 reward . and cheese meta is so bad , like how do u counter dbl rouge 1 shot combo . i dont blame players , i blame the design of the class

[@tdmc6428]

Tanks do not deserve to be in pvp as anything other than utility bots. Tanks in pvp usually mean unkillable, way too high damage for a non dps and utility out of their asses (see prot paladin. Also if you bracket lock I hope you mean you can’t play with anyone lower than bracket even if you drop out of the bracket, because if they can people would just intentionally drop their rating to drop their bracket to boost again

[@manbeerpigs16]

PvP is fun but they could do more loot quests or something for people who can make 1800 or whatever. That would def keep people doing rated pvp. I see so many 220

[@WoWDontu]

It's an odd time. Some people think this season was great, and I just felt like it was the worst IMO. I was a healer main that gets consistent duelist and this season destroyed my motivation to push. So many of my partners just straight up quit the game completely after release.

[@e1LaY]

Rating is deflating last month a bit, so this is a speculation. I am facing a shit ton of glads on 1800-1900, just fucking around. In a normal game boosts are not working this way and good player would prefer to push instead of smashing bronze players on alts.

[@e1LaY]

Just see statists about last month, still top 10% is 1800 and above. What the fuck, if you are 1800 you are top 10%, 2100 is top 3-4%. Nice inflation I admit.

[@imaloser1947]

I won't play pvp ever again on retail. I was mad as hell when WoD came out, because they removed so many spells from the game. The legion class design felt even more like a joke. The gearing in BfA was just awful and it felt like a fulltime job to gear a single character. Getting killed by corruptions was great but now it is enough. I start collecting transmog and mounts.

[@arkh1730]

I remember doing 1 or 2 rbgs back in cata..but the russian premades made me never play again hehehe...

[@Omniken1408]

I main a warlock, getting 2100 was stressful enough, idk if I got gladiator in me this season😂😂😂

[@graysaltine6035]

2s is stupid and always has been. It's literally just a built-in boosting mechanic at this point.

[@raphael.portela]

i canceled my subscription to wow, its just too miserable and unrewarding im 1.8cr, i dont think its worth all time put into game ,im ur sub, ur on of the best streamers out there

[@Yuurrr]

Why do you think the rank 1 push will start?

[@shatterstorm1337]

after the 1st min i asked me if we played different games ^^ and that comes form a seasoned warri (just not condumb) might be the issue there ;) ,- but yeah its like stop playin or doin glad, atmly duelist persektive tho

[@masonbarnes48]

This is why we need #soloqueue

[@tmrocks9204]

I quit wow a week ago after 12 years of play. Just can’t do it anymore. It’s nvr changed into what it could and nvr will. You’ll be doing dailies forever and fighting the boosters. Borrowed power of who knows what...

[@adamjoyce8764]

Blizzard makes it too time consuming to gear alts, and you can’t enjoy the game without gear. Therefore people quit out of boredom with their one geared character.

[@kristapsvanags3434]

how do you even gear up your main character? i cant even do that lol

[@maan22245]

Allot left bro me2 tobad

[@xXLingurxX]

I just canceled my subscription. Complete garbage game atm.

[@maxfischer8977]

Enjoy your free time. Game will change, as usual but the community will stay the same. Ever seen an expansion where people been spamming how great the game is? Do I have to guess? :^)

[@FoxMonkey-xw5yf]

Yep, went back to CSGO. Even with the abundance of cheaters it's better than this shit.

[@MelvinDorkus]

The best way to get rid of boosting is to take away the incentive to buy a boost. The easiest way to do that is to overhaul the gearing system.

[@Xeatic]

stay motivated? NOPE TY IM DONE... trash game