Glenn Gould and Humphrey Burton on Schoenberg - Part 2 (OFFICIAL)

[@alessionanni]

Thank you for this incredible document. Years after Gould passed away, we are still here, incredibly just scratching the surface of his incredible work.

[@egogerm]

As usual, but very unusually, Gould delivers astonishing genius. A Must See.

[@philipcai88]

Amazing. It's people like Gould who were able to reveal the true greatness of Schoenberg to the rest of the world, especially those who may have been at first apprehensive.

[@DeflatingAtheism]

Humphrey Burton here seems VERY apprehensive!

[@paolabartolini36]

I love Gould’s voice...🙂

[@phoebelinden9602]

Yes! His vocabulary, his presence, his voice -- all so beautiful.

[@johnryskamp2943]

No, actually, Gould's sophistication is rather amateurish. And he's uptight. All Canooks was uptight, and I wonder why, especially since, with permission of their owners the U.S., they are babied cradle to grave with a welfare state. Lucky for them they have commodities!!

[@santih5043]

Lucidity is the word that comes to mind when listening to both Gould's analysis and interpretations on the piano.

[@LesterBrunt]

Schoenberg’s books are better than most music educations. The guy had tremendous knowledge of harmony and composition. He also has a pretty funny way of writing sometimes. One of his books starts with him talking about arriving in the US and getting a job teaching theory and being appalled by the low standards of the students. I mean could you imagine getting into Berkley (if I remember correctly) and here is your new theory teacher, this stern Austrian WW1 vet who can’t believe how bad the students are. It is like out of a movie.

[@johnryskamp2943]

Yes, Nuncie was fun. Read Dika Newlin's memoire.

[@written12]

I think it taught at UCLA

[@MrGer2295]

WOW ! LOVE THE PIANO PERFORMANCE ! THANKS FOR SHARING 🎈❤️🍀🎶🎹❤️🎈

[@davidhull9510]

Amazing

[@nicholastessier8504]

"childish mathematics" Haha I love this! Gave me a huge laugh. Love Gould :)

[@JaySuryavanshiMusic]

Brilliantissimo. Brainiac Gould😋👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼

[@plekkchand]

priceless.

[@aenadanziger6252]

Yeeeeeees!))) Thanks!

[@stapler942]

8:38 The "we" includes Pierre Boulez for sure.

[@blankname4716]

Thanks for that. Was very curious.

[@plekkchand]

Absolutely.

[@DeflatingAtheism]

Yep, it was Boulez who wrote "Schoenberg Is Dead". Ironically, the mid-century vogue for cool, austere, pointillist music first required Schoenberg's expressionism- which was really just heightened Romanticism- to break the mold of tonality.

[@phoebelinden9602]

10:20 begins discussion on Ode to Napoleon Bonaparte

[@mharbaugh]

Leonard Rosenman wrote the soundtrack to Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home!

[@cheri238]

🙏❤️🌎🌏🌍🌿🕊🎵🎶🎵🎶✨️💫✨️💫

[@Johnwilkinsonofficial]

🙏

[@noontimespender]

Who are the avante garde "we" that were looking down their nose at Schoenberg?

[@dovic86]

Probably Boulez

[@culturehorse]

What did GG play there at the beginning? Anyone know/recognize it they did not name it. thx

[@machida5114]

sodelicious... 🙂

[@johnryskamp2943]

The sooner we kick sound out of music, the better

[@fmoll2509]

😂

[@exapplerrelppaxe7952]

I’ll have to take Gould’s word for it. All I know is that I prefer atonality before Schoenberg (Debussy, for example) and from his contemporaries (Webern and Hindemith, for example).

[@samaritan29]

debussy is not completely atonal

[@exapplerrelppaxe7952]

@@samaritan29 Exactly.

[@zackl7467]

Debussy isnt atonal at all, Hindemith isn’t atonal at all.

[@exapplerrelppaxe7952]

@@zackl7467 even better

[@zackl7467]

@@exapplerrelppaxe7952 how so?

[@not2tees]

12 tone music is indeed perfect for movies set in insane asylums. Gould's enthusiastic pro-12-tone comments are delightfully interesting, for all that.

[@DeflatingAtheism]

You hear it in lots of mid-Century Hollywood productions. The incidental music for The Andy Griffith Show was atonal, so it was good enough for Mayberry!

[@not2tees]

@@DeflatingAtheism Mayberry . . . mind boggling!

[@m.a.3322]

3:47, 7:30, 11:37, 13:34 GG is so cute haha

[@Twentythousandlps]

Yes, the remark at 9:04 is about Boulez, who had long before deplored Schonberg's "retrograde" tendencies. But why is GG so afraid to identify him by name?

[@phoebelinden9602]

Oh, Gould is NOT afraid to name Boulez by name and does so astutely in an essay entitled "Boulez" included in The Glenn Gould Reader.

[@simoncornaz469]

Where Come From the excertpt starting at 10:40 ??

[@mishasawangwan6652]

M. Cornaz ode to a poem

[@phoebelinden9602]

Ode to Napoleon Bonaparte

[@tejasnair3399]

What is this piece? 14:57

[@ericfrederickson2692]

Schoenberg 8 Lieder opus 6 no 1.

[@amitbenhur3722]

9:04 Who DOES he mean??

[@tomvl3993]

Stravinsky? Webern? Berg? Take your pick.

[@amitbenhur3722]

@maestoso-allegro Yeah yeah you're right. Probably Stockhausen as well I guess

[@gopalkambo5885]

See Boulez, "Schoenberg est mort"

[@DeflatingAtheism]

The reference to "celeste" is a most likely a reference to Boulez' and Messiaen's "gamelan" textures

[@mishasawangwan6652]

lol if you want to understand schoenberg just read his books.. not his music

[@vintagebikes4215]

This composer has always been the darling of music's elite intelligentsia, but never beyond that. It's not pleasing to listen to. Yes, it can be understood. Gould is seldom wrong, but this time he was.

[@Echo20394]

Ppl can have different emotional reactions to music, I quite enjoy a lot of Schoenberg and find it very pleasing to listen to :)

[@bathroomsexmurder]

Whatever

[@seanmchugh840]

Gould is wrong in trying to argue that consonance and dissonanace can be organized in any other way than tonality already organizes them. Tonality in its wide range of applications is all there is and all the mind will ever look for- the rest is empty waffle, even if Gould thinks he's being sensitive.

[@joshhermantin]

booooo

[@koenraadspijker7776]

Lol how did you even come to check out this docu with that point of view..?

[@seanmchugh840]

@@koenraadspijker7776 Take care...

[@koenraadspijker7776]

Sorry didn't mean to offend you.. :) just occured to me that you would especially watch this entire documentary to try and contemplate on the opposite you're stating.

[@seanmchugh840]

@@koenraadspijker7776 No problem; Gould is one of the great figures in keyboard history; there's an interesting connection between Bachian calculation in his semi-modal harmony and the SVS. Bach has the superior tonal reference however while SVS of course becomes ruddlerless and meaningless.