Glider outlands in an Alpine Valley

[@mktwatcher]

That's the scariest thing I've seen in a long time! You never lost your cool. Great Landing with no options.

[@pops9190]

I can appreciate what you say, But, don't forget we glider pilots land our gliders every single time with no power - never with the thought, or the ability to go around and try it again, like Airplanes that have engines have. Landing like this is simply routine for us, only this time it is in a different location, not where our car is park parked at our home field. What is considered a emergency landing for a Power pilot, Is never a emergency landing for a glider pilot. Power pilots that are also accomplished glider pilots More often than not have the highest skill levels when it comes to taking off and landing at very least. Glad you asked that question.

[@mktwatcher]

Oh, yes definitely know that and it won't just fall out of the sky. I've dead stick landed a cessna 152 before but I only made one gentle turn and then straight in. This outlanding was very skillful with multiple 360s spiral down between mountains in a confined valley plus a tailwind. It was perfect but could have ended badly.

[@mumblecake251]

Challenging landing? Definitely. Scary? I don't think so. Landing was very well controlled and not in doubt for a single second. Very well done!

[@darkgael0]

Very nice. You kept to your plan and executed well. Dobra.

[@freeflyer]

Not even a risky landing for a glider since a glider can glide waay better than any cessna on the planet 😂 Actually he approached higher than I expected. As a hang glider pilot I would approach wih a lower final.@@mktwatcher

[@gzk6nk]

Looks like you had brakes out and side-slipped it on final? Nicely thought-through, and well done for sticking to plan 'A'. Last minute changes of plan in forced landings usually end in tears.

[@DrRainerS]

If you watch the thread, it does not look like a slip.

[@user-nk4td9bg6w]

Really thought he slipped too but that thread disagrees. I was stepping on an invisible right pedal

[@SkysurferMr]

Got a bit of adrenalin even just watching it on my monitor! Great job!

[@wernerschulte6245]

That was exciting, wasn´t it ? Well done !

[@LiorIPSC]

Amazing job. That video was scary to watch!

[@mr.howard1]

Wow... don't know how you got there but what a great landing!

[@priyanshuraha]

Beautiful landing 🙏... it was so scary. Best of luck for your future flying.

[@Voyteck]

Thank you! ;)

[@JorgeCarrizo]

good job landing the strong and lovely Jantar, I had to look the video twice to make a desition which place would I prefer, just to the right of the one you choose. Anyway well done !

[@SwissJacques1963]

Great Job and good eye to find this field.

[@erikisberg3886]

Very nice and well planned outlanding! You kept Your cool and had several 360:s to check the field and alternatives at plenty of altitude. Easy recovery as well as it looked. Where I fly in nortern Sweden outlanding fields are pretty scarce and small, all the more important to make a decision high enough. One thing that came to my mind watching this. I have done some hot air ballooning in Austrian alps and know that the valley bottoms usually are infested with power lines when You have to land. I think Your choice was good in that respect as well, no visible poles on final. If the field is narrow or obscured it is next to impossible to se the actual lines, they are often green as well. We recently had an outlanding safety seminar here where this was discussed. A good mindset is to figure out where there they can not be. I was once very close to hitting a 10 000V line when landing into a small field obscured by some trees. The line was green copper and impossible to see until the very last moment. Rather scary.

[@2niner77]

I like to way you adjusted the hair before the selfie. Great landing. You look in control flying the aircraft. Thanks for sharing.

[@Voyteck]

Hahaha, thanks!

[@HJH1973]

OMG the end is so satisfying 😅 beautifully done

[@alienxyt]

Austria is BEAUTIFUL!

[@armijabih4202]

Bosnia and Austria is so BEAUTIFUL. Go look my country Bosnia

[@jameskarran5330]

Nice job, I wasn't sure which field you had picked until pretty late. Hope I get the chance to fly in some bigger mountains one day.

I don't think the pilot had picked a field until pretty late.

[@crockett616]

Terrain! Terrain! Pull up! 😀 Nice scenery!

[@michad6161]

I to jest ten fajny rodzaj zakręcenia! Tak zdrowo zazdroszczę pasji :) Pozdro

[@hectorpascale1013]

Someone has put a pole right in the middle of the field after the trees. @2:23 it comes into view to the right. When viewed at the end with the selfiestick it doesn´t look so close anymore. Then i thought "Koniec pola" means "Attention Pole", but it´s "End of Field" ;)

[@anthonymcneill55]

grat landing...reminds me of crashing into a mountain in Italy in a Cessna 172. All three of us survived as we landed in the tops of the trees..and got stuck...Never gone back up in a Cessna

[@Harm10412]

That's what they keep the grass for in the Alps. That and the cows. ;)

[@pilot3016]

Brought back a old memory in Calistoga, Calif. Whew!

[@soliv27]

Also a part of luck.. maybe... 😁 Thank you for the share. Very beautiful but very frightening... lucky man.

[@nadiabentuler9746]

Very instructive sequence. Thank you ;) Been watching this a couple of times over the last 2 years. Mountain gliding is treacherous. It does not take all that much to end up in situations we would rather not have found ourselves in. You show what is to be done in such one: keep calm and consider your field options. Look at them from multiple angles, searching for obstacles, surface state, etc. Ignore the naysayers. Doing a pattern in this encased valley ? Madness. Circling in front of your final and inspecting its every aspect was exactly what had to be done here. Had you visited this location on the ground before ?

[@mumblecake251]

Totally agree re circuit. People might forget what a circuit is for and bringing it to the absolute minimum this is simply to come out of your final turn, wings level with a height of at least 300ft and having options (over-/undershooting). He did that, so clearly he did everything he could to have a safe approach. Challenging but safe.

[@Voyteck]

Thanks Nadia for nice words! Actually it was first time when I was in that area but before the the flight I had spent a lot of time with local pilots who showed me some options for outlanding enroute. I think preperation in that kind of terrain is the key. At the end of the day I was safe on the ground and even the glider was still useable so I think it worked well :) Fly safe!

[@pawegruba7787]

Dzieki za filmik ,wybrales perfekcyjnie zeby siadac!!!! Pozdrawiam i termiki zyczę!!!!

[@DyzioTheDreamer]

Oglądając wierzgałem nogami, rękami i przechylałem całym tułowiem na kanapie. Dostałem też szybszego tętna. Jestem pod dużym wrażeniem spokoju i opanowania pilota, a także jego angielszczyzny (wykryłem tylko jeden błąd ortograficzny "wheel break", zamiast poprawnego "wheel brake"). Szacunek!

[@Voyteck]

Dzięki, hamulec poprawiony!

[@mattgaetz5548]

What a beautiful area to land in!

[@DL-kc8fc]

Bravo. Good luck that there was no power line, which cannot be easily detected from above in unknown terrain.

[@BobThePilotN4WFH]

Excellent composure and skills. 🤙

[@haltux]

Could you tell us where is that? I get that it's Austria, but can you be more specific? The name of the village?

[@grassblade2]

Testicolos El Grande...My hat 'off to you Sir!

[@jerzyrawicz2913]

Bardzo ladne ladowanie w terenie przygodnym 👍

[@rcbif101]

Is the camera shake prior to touchdown cause by airspeed or spoilers? Nice job. Tight spot.

[@Tenderbust]

Its from the airfoil changing between lifting and stalling very very very rapidly.

[@bananajoe3669]

I think the turbulence of the spoilers hiting the t-tail and this causes the shaking. It is the same thing at the SZD-59 glider plane.

[@rafabeton609]

He is using forward slip to spoil lift in addition to deploying his spoilers as he was a bit too high. A slip makes the glider shake quite a bit.

[@pops9190]

@@Tenderbust Not correct. There were No stalling airfoils (wings) at any moment during this landing. 1:03 is the pilots call to himself - no stalling, no stalling, no stalling. I always call my airspeed as well when in the pattern and setting up to land. Very experienced pilot here. Love flying Austria. Hello from California! Banana Joe has it right. My T-Tail does the same thing sometimes.

[@TheProPilot]

Speed brakes/spoilers all day.

[@kdaniel8721]

Nice work - a safe landing!

[@Mateyhv1]

Scary situation! How did you ended up there?

[@johnathansams4924]

How and when were u able to take off/transport the glider out of there?

[@bertvdlast]

Pretty simple. With a car and a trailer. Take off the wings and load the plane.

[@davejohnson8960]

Great job. Kept your cool!!

[@northernsky6117]

Thats good job man. Challenging conditions to land like that. Very good.

[@SuperReasonable]

Where exactly were you please, was it Austria? The valley and that patch of fields look familiar.

[@Voyteck]

Nearby Weichselboden.

[@slickstersf]

How did you get home?

[@joewoodchuck3824]

Is the glider disassembleable, or is there enough room there to aerotow it out?

[@davidcooper2496]

Yes the wings come off and it fits into a long trailer

[@dwightbernheimer331]

Classic example why God makes Motor gliders. Great video thanks for posting.

[@elaeroplano]

Good nerves, good job !

This is the result of a bad decision earlier. Depending on the time of the year, flying below the ridge is generally going to get you on the ground quickly as there is an inversion and dead air below it - the vario tells exactly that story. You never want to find yourself in this situation - stuck in a valley with no way out. Mountains concentrate cables, roads, railways, cows, at the bottom and even if you have a usable field there's often not enough room to do a proper circuit as in this example.

[@jacekpiterow900]

Pogoda wydaje się bardzo dobra. Jak to się stało żeś się w tę kotlinę zapędził?

[@stephgagnoulet3133]

Hello, Can you please tell us the name of the place where you landed?

[@maxischerr]

Kapfenberg, Austria

[@stephgagnoulet3133]

@@maxischerr many thanks for your answer but I'd like (if possible...) something a bit more precise...

[@michaelderflinger5002]

Search for "landewiesen streckenflug" and there on the map you can find it north of the Hochschwab mountain range it is called "Weichselboden".

[@stephgagnoulet3133]

@@michaelderflinger5002 thank you!!!

[@jmy6050]

Was there no other option? Could you not fly out before you got into the valley, esp with a strong wind blowing?

[@jmy6050]

Okay. Perhaps a more experienced pilot would have used the terrain, carefully of course, to determine the upwind side for some lift. I am aware that there is dangerous wind rotor effect when flying between closely positioned mountain peaks. Moral of the story is not to get into the predicament where it's too late to turn back. For a very experienced pilot that may be a different point in the flight to one who is less experienced.

[@059echo]

The next question now .. how do you plan on getting your glider out of there ?

[@sergeig685]

People live there. They drive cars and have roads

[@joe-id5pb]

The glider can be disassemble and transported by road in a trailer.

[@janekpawulon3856]

Ile metrów potrzeba od dotknięcia kołami ziemi do zatrzymania się? I jaka jest prędkość przy lądowaniu takim szybowcem?

[@Voyteck]

Dużo zależy od prędkości wiatru, powierzchni, czy nachylenia podłoża, ale powiedzmy że w korzystnych warunkach, przy 80km/h przy przyziemieniu, 100-150m trawy powinno wystarczyć.

[@Andy1076]

Is that beeping an indicator of where the thermals are? hear it when it gets extreme :)

[@schallundrauch2378]

It's called variometer and measures tiny differences in air pressure (+/- 10 cm / sec). Modern ones use additional accelerometers for a quicker response. It will only indicate whether you are sinking or climbing. The interpretation of the data is up to the pilot. ;-)

[@Andy1076]

@@schallundrauch2378 Ah, got it! Thank you so much for the reply :)

[@schallundrauch2378]

@@Andy1076 YOu're very welcome. Stay safe! :-)

[@Andy1076]

Schall und Rauch You too 😃

@@schallundrauch2378 +/- 10 cm/s?????? 10 m/s - wow, I'm in a great thermal, I'm going up at 6 cm/sec, should be at cloud base by christmas next year it it holds. (Edit: see correction below)

[@Zwiesel66]

Why was the glider so shaken just before loading?

[@hectorpascale1013]

He had to do an forward side slip with full extended airbrakes for a very steep approach angle. The turbulence of the airfoil, airbrakes and a part of the forward fuselage hit´s the elevator and induces these vibrations. In forward sideslip the longitudinal axis of the plane is pointing sideways to the movement vector, so the Elevator and rudder can get in "dirty" air. That is not dangerous (forward sideslipping with full airbrakes), except the glider manufacturer has stated something else in the flight manual. It has nothing to do with a stall (he has a lot of airspeed), although on stall (airspeed is too low for the given angle of attack) a similar effect of stick shaking can also occur, when the turbulence of the wings detached airflow hit´s the elevator. Edit: In fact as the Pilot stated here in the comments, on this Plane (a modified Jantar Standard 2/3) these vibrations even occur with full airbrakes alone. So it is "by design". I would say they didn´t intend it, but it has been certified with this behavior, so it is "normal".

[@lautoka63]

You seemed to have just a bit more energy than you expected and landed much longer than you expected: am I right? PS I've done exactly that - it seemed frighteningly familiar.

[@Voyteck]

It was the impact of the tail wind. Landing from opposite direction was not an option because of the terrain. On the other hand there was a pole at the approach with some meteo measuring staff 2m high so I had to fit in between, and it is why I overshooted slighty :)

[@jmv668]

Great job.! Very scary too.

[@nickr5658]

WOW, Awesome land out. Why did you choose that field?

[@bertvdlast]

I guess he ran out of thermal.

[@michau4933]

Bardzo ładne lądowanie z pięknymi widokami, jestem tylko ciekaw kto teraz Ciebie wraz z szybowcem z tąmtad wyciągnie.

[@einmensch5471]

Scary, man... When you came down for final i was really thinking what you are doing, but it worked.. Good Job anyways (:

[@folkenvanvanel6611]

Fantastic execution! :) Well done.

[@FRITZI999]

WOOOOW, well done.... looked actually "easy" for a Non Pilot like me...

[@daveslow84]

That was amazing!

[@madmax10101]

After all great landing!

[@planpitz4190]

The vibrations must have been because you pulled the spoilers ( air brakes) all out , left hand on the lever, but still seems to me too violent ..what kind of glider is this ..Astir ?

[@Voyteck]

It's SZD-48M Brawo, a special modification of Jantar Std 2/3 made for Polish National Gliding team for WGC in Rieti (Italy) in 1985. The vibrations are pretty normal for full spoilers in SZD, but in the vid they are intensified because of the lack of the camera stabilization (old GoPro 2), it's no so bad in reality.

[@planpitz4190]

@@Voyteck Ah ! I almost wanted to say that it must be a Czech glider because it reminds me of a Blanik (in form not in material though).Also I did not know that polish aircraft registration starts with SP!Thank you for your reply and the life saving instructive video.Good luck always to you and to the polish team.Greetings from Germany

[@kevinerickson2595]

What was the shaking?

[@zsoltmolnar1143]

probably the airbrakes deployed

[@SwissJacques1963]

Great Job. Very small valley and short landing distance. Great reapect.

[@Voyteck]

Thanks!

[@whathasxgottodowithit3919.]

Good job, beautiful location to land if you have too.

[@rogeriolopes6297]

wow!!! Good landing, man!

[@pcATgmCom]

Which glider is that? What are you doing with a polish glider in Austria?

[@Voyteck]

Flying man!

[@pcATgmCom]

LOL 😂 - nice reply 🇵🇱👍

[@pcATgmCom]

Mam parę pytań, gdybyś miał czas i ochotę odpowiedzieć: Jak tam dotarłeś, doleciałeś do Austrii? Dlaczego musiałeś tam lądować, i jak to się skończyło, to znaczy ile czasu to trwało, zanim się z tamtąd wydostałeś? Miałeś kontakt z mieszkańcami, z właścicielem terenu? Przy takich lotach jest też (zawsze) obecny jakiś team towarzyszący, czy jak to funkcjonuje? To twój własny szybowiec? Jakie są koszty takich wypadów?

[@michel.b5752]

Remember: the landing pattern is primarily intended to give you a 30s final in order to adjust your final glide and correct all the mis-handling you may have done. You can make it a little shorter on a regular landing field, but is not wise to shorten the path when outlanding. A good pilot is a pilot able to reach his "grand age"

[@MarcoNierop]

There were a few pieces of granite in the way to make a 30 second final possible.. Just consider his final to be circular :-) I think he did a great job here.. and I think I may say that with 35 years of gliding experience and way too many outlandings LOL!

[@michel.b5752]

​@@MarcoNierop That will not change my point. He select his landing field way too late. I may say that with 45 years of gliding experience, many outlandings and way too much observations of outlanding accidents of my fellows.

[@blackhoundSSC]

Woooooow that was AMAZING! Nice decision making. Also thanks for spicing up my dreams of having a PPL. (Reddit brought me here)

[@michel.b5752]

AMAZINGLY BAD. much too late decision

[@Gianluca-Vacchi]

How do you fly back?

[@rrocketman]

Totally awesome!

[@Voyteck]

Thanks!

[@GlideLA]

Good job bro!

[@JanPBtest]

Lucky there were no last-second power lines (they can be surprisingly hard to see from above).

[@nickr5658]

Man that’s so scary to think about. I heard about a DG pilot that was decapitated by a power line he didn’t see when trying to land out... Very scary. I guess that’s why some people have the cages in the canopy?

[@ewthmatth]

@@nickr5658 what's dg?

[@CT-hy7md]

@@ewthmatth Dirks Glaser. Please google

[@Styrianpanter]

You are crazy. A friendly reminder from the follow me car guy.

[@SebaRC123]

he's just gliding lima uniform juliet

[@skyhigh776]

Bloody hell! Steep or what!

[@PietBarber]

Excellent job! Good thing there weren't any wires over that road on final.

[@Voyteck]

I made I few mistakes much before and I ended up in that valley at 700m AGL, so fortunately I had a planty of time to choose the right spot and check it thoroughly...

[@gromm93]

@@Voyteck That's what I figured you were doing when you circled that field what, 5? 6 times?

[@raphallusek]

No dobra, i co dalej? Lądujesz sobie gdzieś w czarnej w dupie i szukasz lokalu do przekimania? Wzywasz "międzynarodowy transport szybowców"? Sprzedajesz szybowiec lokalnym żulom i kupujesz bilet (lotniczy ma się rozumieć) do domu? Jakie się podejmuje kroki po lądowaniu awaryjnym w takim miejscu? Naprawdę będę wdzięczny za informacje:)

[@Voyteck]

Ostatnia opcja brzmi kusząco. A tak na serio, to szybowce są demontowalne. Wtedy, po kilku. godzinach był po mnie kolega z przyczepą, do której zapakowaliśmy ptaszka. Tego samego dnia byłem z powrotem w aeroklubie gdzie odbywały się zawody.

[@alexthegreat5009]

Congratulations

[@tree356]

Nice job!😇🙏🏼

[@calikalbocalikalbo6082]

Was that shaking turbulence?

[@michaelderflinger5002]

Like written above: forward slip with full spoilers to increase drag. Without spoilers you'd have a too shallow approach. He added the slip to counter a tailwind and to loose more height quicker.

[@calikalbocalikalbo6082]

@@michaelderflinger5002 .......OK, so it's like applying the speed bar when I fly my paraglider. I'd like to try a sail plain....obviously a lot easier and safer then a paraglider.

[@michaelderflinger5002]

@@calikalbocalikalbo6082 what i saw now, speedbar is to decrease your AoA and to go faster. Spoilers and forward slip are to loose energy by introducing a lot of drag. ... Easier -i don't think so - different yes! One way it is easier is, that you can escape or avoid bad weather. But it is way more difficult to land such a ship in mountainous terrain. When lockdown is over find a club at: www.ssa.org/WhereToFly and maybe you want to use such voucher: www.ssa.org/FAST

[@calikalbocalikalbo6082]

@@michaelderflinger5002 ......A sail plane doesn't have to worry about collapse. In addition it takes a lot of time to obtain good ground handling skills in strong wind not to mention a lot of times it may take a difficult hike. Yeah harder but anyways thanks

[@michaelderflinger5002]

@@calikalbocalikalbo6082 I only tried paragliding once, the instructor said that collapse isn't very likely, but i think he refered only to the tandem glider. Is it different with more advanced, faster parafoils. Advanced gliders are harder to fly because the you don't get a clear indication prior stall. In clubs you also do your maintenance and smaller repairs by yourself. So there is loads to learn. During XC flight decision making is a great challenge, but I think that's pretty similar. Funny thing is, many glider pilots are to scared to try paragliding. But beginning paragliding pilots who try sailplanes, can't imagine to ever go XC. After their first landings with sailplanes they get scared by the high landing speeds...

[@super-8]

Dünne lüfte schnelle Landung :-)

[@alanaldpal950]

If there are no fields available to land without running into something or running out of field, don’t forget you can do a Gear Up belly landing and will come to a stop very quickly. Glider may have damage but it may be your best option for you walking away safe and uninjured. Some older gliders like a Pilatus B4 may have little to virtually no damage from a gear up landing.

[@Voyteck]

Thanks for the comment. I am aware of that technique but there is a common misconception about it and actually it could do more harm then good . Imagine the situation where you hit something hard in a field without a landing gear. Then the whole energy is impacted by the fuselage and directed to your spine, so it's fairly easy to brake your spine. Main wheel is not only designed for a landing but also for saving a pilot's butt from hard landings when needed. If the field is short it's way better to put your wing as soon as you touch down, do a 180 landing and break your tail then to save a glider and harm yourself. It's just food for thoughts mate - fly safe!

[@gliding_soaring]

Being on the ground and running out of space I would probably drop the wing and do a ground loop.

[@tztz1949]

What was that nasty vibration on final? Dive brakes oscillating? Yikes.

[@Voyteck]

That was a full spoilers. The vibration was normal for that configuration but were intensified by the camera.

[@kalle123]

“There are old pilots and there are bold pilots', goes the saying, 'there are no old bold pilots'.

[@r-k.fotografie2071]

Well done at the right Monent

[@MrKonradWhite]

Dlaczego musiałeś lądować?

[@Voyteck]

Szybowiec nie ma silnika i czasami gdy nie może znaleźć prądów wstępujących, a nie jest w zasięgu żadnego lotniska musi wylądować w "terenie przygodnym".

[@MrKonradWhite]

@@Voyteck OK DZIEKI ROZUMIEM

[@jerzyrawicz2913]

Musial zrobic siku 😉

[@MIKE-yr9pm]

blisko było pod koniec

[@DrEvil-yx4vr]

Good job 👍👍👍

[@easy08154711]

Good Job, after a successful outlanding there might be another glider needing that space, so move your glider as quick as possible.

[@Sidetrackification]

Wow!

[@longbass3147]

R2-D2 is very sad. :( Landing was really professional.

[@keithdouglass3618]

🦘🐨 old saying. when problem just fly the plane. panic then problem . well done.. Keith Australia 🇦🇺

[@martinliefti9004]

Hi kapfenberg is my Home i flight here with my paraglider.i See this Video and hope you find a Landing place.great Job.sry for my englisch is Not so god.lg from kapfenberg.!!

[@Voyteck]

Amazing place to fly and a the people was great! I hope I will come back there in the future.

[@ArcadioSW]

Haha, perfetto :D

[@alke5879]

Super!

[@Voyteck]

Dzięki!

[@иванкудрин-я6к]

ну а взлетать как?

[@sergeig685]

ясно что не от туда.

[@Robbo1966]

well done

[@budthebusker]

Nice.

[@parkburrets4054]

It looked like you waited way too long to pick your field and then too long to commit to landing.

[@sergeig685]

It a sailplane. Immense energy retention and L/D ratio.

[@redbearrc6706]

Well done!

[@mtumix]

Noch einer, der es nicht kann. Warum ist das über unseren Köpfen erlaubt?

[@carlosclaptrix]

👍🏻

[@bdi7776]

Добра👍

[@Voyteck]

Спасибо!

[@TheGlorianos]

ladnie