Gloomhaven: Buttons and Bugs Review - Size Don't Matter?

[@Shelfside]

RULES CLARIFICATION: you reshuffle the monster deck whenever the reshuffle icon appears NOT when the deck runs out, meaning it is possible to see the same ability multiple times in a row. Though still not likely! And when you lose a FH scenario, you don't get punished, you just can choose to redo the scenario or do a different one (which is more options than BnB forcing you to do the same scenario again). Thanks for commenters for pointing this out, and written review is on its way -Ashton

[@TheRoseCat6_11]

yes, i've been waiting for the review! im playing it myself, i think its super fun. im super suprised that they actually made it feel like tiny Gloomhaven

[@jaybear7272]

Nice review! I love how B&B strips out the fiddlyness which really put me off regular GH. I was also worried about the warping of the scenario cards, but I sleeved them and it made them totally fine.

[@lndozois]

OMG!! I want an app version of this game soooo bad!!! Would be a perfect game for the subway!

[@somefishhere]

Great review! I didn’t finish bnb, glad you were able to finish the campaign. Love the flashbacks to the haven videos. A lot of good editing in those reviews!

[@boodesultan12]

i hope they dont abandon button and bugs project and maybe make an expansion or new gloomhaven solo with map and stuff, there is alot of potential with it honestly

[@Autism3.0]

frosthaven: buttons and bugs 2 or smth idk

[@clarkewithe]

Clarification at 10:33, you reshuffle the monster deck whenever the reshuffle icon appears NOT when the deck runs out, meaning it is possible to see the same ability multiple times in a row (although it is much less likely so your point still stands)

[@Shelfside]

oh thanks for sharing this! Cheers! I'll probably work it into a pinned comment somewhere -ashton

[@TheMexicanSuperman1]

I really like how you still get the customization that you normally get with your abilities recreated with your item choices per scenario.

[@revcr]

Im always impressed how you can review a game with two different views

[@johnbrown6230]

Thanks for a very thorough review and for taking the time to consider all the different aspects of it. I think the game is very good for what it is.

[@DragonX5X]

I bought the game and I’m having a blast. But I’m a bit disappointed in the component quality... 2 boards already had damage and my cubes had already some broken edges ... nothing big but still a bit on the cheap feel! Gameplay makes up for it big time! Love the short streamlined mechanics ! Great review as always ! Keep it up

[@brianmattei7134]

Your complaints about co-op games mirror mine honestly BUT I still do enjoy them with friends from time-to-time, especially considering some of my friends like co-op games exclusively. But yeah, I get more enjoyment out of something like TI4 than I do Gloomhaven. With all of that said, I know this sounds crazy, but have you tried Jaws/Frosthaven/Gloomhaven solo? The fiddliness doesn't change, but I feel like a lot of your gripes are alleviated with solo play. No more having to wait on other people, no more having to deal with "how fast/slow are you going," less time per mission, etc. Curious your thoughts!

[@IHeart16Bit]

Looks really nice. A shame it’s totally unavailable at least here in the UK.

[@Mrappbrain966]

Another video, another day of waiting for the John Company Review drop

[@timlorow2679]

I have that same printer. It's 15 years old and still going strong

[@nebs6200]

Awesome review Ashton... a lot of footage with Childres... wonder what you're cooking up.

[@Shelfside]

haha, this was footage from when we helped him make his BnB hype video! You can see Daniel doing VFX work in their backerkit vid :D -Ashton

[@TheMexicanSuperman1]

I liked the video before I even started! Lets gooo!!

[@DragonX5X]

At the end of the video u say 16 damage with strengthen ?! I think strengthen only lets you roll attack modifier twice and choose the better ? Not making double damage or am I wrong ?

[@toddman121]

Maybe you time it so you are strengthened and play the attack 8 loss, when your little cube on the attack modifier card is at the row with the 2x. Then there is a 55.5% chance you get the crit.

[@DragonX5X]

@@toddman121 ahh your right that makes sense! Thanks

[@viktorkm]

Please Ashton, you really need to get your friends together and dive into the Vampire the Eternal Struggle 5th edition box. I think you really would like it! Would be great to hear your opinion om it! Keep up the good work! ❤

[@anonmisfit]

yay more gloomhaven

[@anonmisfit]

i got fh for last christmas and still havent unpacked it x_x

[@draheim90]

Obviously $20 is great value for this, but Jaws was available for just under $25 US shipped from Amazon prime for a while and at one point was $18 at Target. Not sure anything will beat that.

[@Shelfside]

Yeah that's incredible value for Jaws, surprised they got the price that low. cheers! -Ashton

[@nutherefurlong]

Good profile of the game, feel a lot better informed now. Wonder if this basic formula could be expanded into other gameplay themes and styles. I like GH and then I sort of burn out heavily, takes me a while to recharge. Maybe this might be my speed right now

[@masterbuilder7577]

how did this slip past me?? just ordered this, looks really fun and cute as a big fan of gloomhaven already (I have the original and jaws)

[@Whodatspoo]

Hey everyone, does anyone have a link or something to the fan made rulebook he mentioned? Thanks in advance.

[@otakuofmine]

neat, glad to hear you had at least more fun with this one. the crucial question: Daniel's rating? :P

[@Shelfside]

havn't played atm -Daniel

[@otakuofmine]

@@Shelfside ah, okay.

[@dannyf1168]

I think people should choose to skip forward if they fail three times on very easy. There’s a couple of stumbling blocks.

[@TheMexicanSuperman1]

Has Daniel played yet?

[@moo2k4]

The JOTL campaign became SUCH a slog towards the end. I will say that I think Gloomhaven, as a whole, is just a better video game than board game.

[@Hursomhelst]

100% agree. We are playing Divinity now and its just waaaay more fun than GH because you dont spend 75% of your time with manual labor

[@bubblemaximus6500]

​@@HursomhelstDivinity the video game or the board game? If it's the board game, I'd love to hear your thoughts!

[@Hursomhelst]

The board game. I have played all the pc games and bg3. The board game plays like a dungeon crawler with streamlined (good) story. Personally I think its just a faster better and equally tactical game as gloomhaven but you can literally start playing right away. My friend did buy the whole kickstarter so there are epic boss battles with huge cool minis. Its seems they have just taken a sober look at gloomhaven and jaws of the lion, kept the best and inproved the rest IMO

[@xywa42]

have you tried an assistant such as gh secretariat or gh full stack?

[@mike9139]

YOU ARE AWESOME! ❤❤❤

[@minihali]

1:19 Aaaaand, like that, it lost me. The best part of Jaws of the lion for me was that you could play it multiplayer. Hopefully we'll see a game that is between this, and Jaws both in complexity and physical size.

[@sharktos3218]

How cool :D

[@fy8798]

I genuinely prefer the modifier card over the modifier deck. It's genuinely better, in my opinion.

[@odiedodieuk]

But the whole point of the deck was to take out luck. Dice = luck.

[@HoneyYouMeanHunkules]

@@odiedodieuk Drawing a card = luck

[@LastNameTom]

I absolutely hate the cubes for monsters decision.

[@waitforasa4900]

Can you please review cyberpunk 2077 gangs of night city

[@tgschaef]

“Size Do Not Matter” 🤨

[@wmarclocher]

Not going to go over well with koumpounophobics like myself. Of all the B&B combos they could have used, why the one "B" I cannot stand more than anything?

[@CleaveBuscemi]

I'm not going to pretend to understand, but would it be possible to consider this as a form of exposure therapy?

[@Urek968]

Being afraid of buttons is the dumbest thing I have heard in awhile. Anyone that is genuinely afraid of such a thing most certainly has underlying problems. I wouldn't be surprised if they are lying to use this "fear" as a personality trait to pretend to be unique. And not liking the texture of an object is not a fear, I don't like the feeling and sound of Styrofoam I makes me cringe but I am not afraid of Styrofoam.

[@Urek968]

Being afraid of buttons is the silliest thing I have heard in awhile. Anyone with such a fear must certainly had underlying problems. I wouldn't be surprised they are lying using this "fear" as a personality trait to pretend to be unique. And not liking the texture of something is not a fear. I don't like the sound and texture of Styrofoam but I am not afraid of it.

[@wmarclocher]

@@Urek968 I can understand why you would think that, it is a really odd thing. The fear is innate in that I had as an infant and would get very upset if I had to wear anything with buttons, maybe my parents conceding to that encouraged it. Like I mentioned in CleaveBuscmi's comment exposure has helped with the fear, but I still disgusted by them, BTW feel the same way towards the squeaking sound of Polystyrene (Styrofoam) or the feel of wooden utensils.

[@odiedodieuk]

Hey we squeezed everything you need into a tiny box… you do have a phone, right? Lazy!

[@alex8480]

It wasn't laziness because they still have the full rules pdf available. It was just a choice they made that you don't like.

[@odiedodieuk]

@@alex8480 Does it say on the box that you have to source the full rules yourself?

[@WalkOnNick]

Dude the blue and green cubes look completely different. You may be color blind. 😂

[@alex8480]

He said the cubes are different but the cards aren't

[@Shelfside]

the health dials are the ones that are hard to tell apart! -Ashton

[@alex8480]

@Shelfside oh yeah, that's what I meant 😅

[@thegamesninja3119]

Cool! Twilight Imperium now has a Gloomhaven expansion for it! Buttons and Bugs on Mecatol Rex! 🥷

[@Shelfside]

TI4 buttons and bugs treatment would be awesome, maybe you make the game 4 player or something -Ashton

[@thegamesninja3119]

@Shelfside there is Twilight Inscription. For Tiny Epic Gloomhaven there is B&B. Age of Galaxy by the makers of Age of Civilization gives Space Opera the Tiny Epic treatment. And stay tuned for Tiny Epic Game of Thrones.