Glory No Pay

Leaders have to walk it like they talk it. If they don't they won;t deserve let alone command any respect.
More importantly it is it's the right thing to do, the ethical and moral thing to do.

[@pierlucabelsito2721]

Army Uniform: $2, Musket: $4, An officer who stands up for his men: Priceless

[@ChickenLiver911]

Especially in this time, all the more priceless when the men are black in this time.

[@ExperiGamer]

where are you going for a $4 musket

[@Dreadandcircuses]

@@ExperiGamer 1862.

[@bbrown9049]

Lol. No suprise you think he's the hero here.

[@Dreadandcircuses]

@@bbrown9049 He's not the hero here?

[@TheCoolProfessor]

Shaw had the respect of his men, now he has their love.

[@DialgaMarine3]

TheCoolProfessor He led and fought with them on the front and died with them. Best kind of leader any unit could ever have.

[@hartleymartin]

The Colonel was buried in a mass grave with his men. The Confederates considered it to be the final insult, but it only elevated his name as a true leader after his death.

[@Graniteheart]

@@hartleymartin his family, who were devoted to the abolitionist cause, considered it an honor for him to be buried with his men

[@Whoopdido777]

@Martin Hartley If I remember correctly, In the mass grave, Shaw and Trip landed right next to each other. I always found that to be symbolic. Shaw being the rich, white leader and Trip being the poor black soldier (and sort of an antagonist towards Shaw at the beginning) and in the end, they fought and died together and even ended up being buried next to each other. I should watch this movie again. It’s been awhile.

[@FernandoMartinez-pv1id]

In Reality it was Shaw who told them not to accept their Pay until it was made equal to White Soldiers.

[@johnkongsaisy7014]

“They say in the Army the pay is mighty fine! They give you a hundred dollars and take back 99!”

[@ExhaustedElox]

"Ohhh, I don't want no more of Army life! Gee ma, I wanna go home!"

[@johnmorales6281]

"Army life is crazy...They got me They got me They got me missing my babyyyyy"

[@dawnwelch6579]

I know that song!!

[@god9364]

@@ExhaustedElox "back tooo ontario, gee ma, i wanna go hoooome"

[@ssgus3682]

Who says that

[@TheStapleGunKid]

I love this scene, though it is slightly inaccurate. In real life, Robert Shaw didn't decide to tear up his pay after he saw his men do it, he was with his men right from the start.What's also interesting is that the state of Massachusetts offered to pay the 54th the money the feds were denying them so they would still make a full salary, but the 54th still refused. There was more at stake then money, they still refused to take lower pay on principle alone.

[@bewilderedbrit8928]

very interesting, thank you :)

[@TheStapleGunKid]

No problem. Also this was one issue where they did prevail. Eventually Congress passed a law so that black units would receive the same pay as white ones.

[@MaxCovington543]

I'm glad to hear that really happened. The scene kind of seemed like some Hollywood pandering kind of deal (and maybe it still is due to dramatization), but I'm happy to hear that Shaw stood by his men regardless of race.

[@TheStapleGunKid]

The best thing is this was a battle they won. Congress eventually did pass a law granting them equal pay. I really wish that was mentioned in the epilogue at the end.

[@totogamer6735]

TheStapleGunKid this is historical fiction. Not a documentary. Artistic license is to be expected

[@mordecaigitau808]

For me this was one of the most defining moments of Col. Shaw. He'd ensured the men of the 54th were turned into real soldiers ready for combat. He'd made sure that they didn't have their inadequacies swept under the carpet because they were black; the way his friend Thomas was treated, the whipping of Trip for being a runaway, you'd expect him to have excused him coz of the wounds on his back. He never "pitied" these men and ensured that they turned into excellent soldiers;this even making him look mean and cold. It was this instilled order and discipline that eventually ensured they went into battle. A soldier takes orders and never questions, yet at this point Col. Shaw not only allowed questioning, he joined the men at protesting this injustice. Legendary in my opinion.

[@johnlozauskas778]

Epic is the word you are looking for.

[@tellurye]

@@johnlozauskas778 I dont know - I see both epic and legendary working here: Epic 1 (n): a long narrative poem in elevated style recounting the deeds of a legendary or historical hero the Iliad and the Odyssey are epics. 2 (a) a work of art (such as a novel or drama) that resembles or suggests an epic. legendary (a) of, described in, or based on legends. "a legendary British king of the 4th century" 2 remarkable enough to be famous; very well known. "his wisdom in battles was legendary"

[@koalabrownie]

One thing people miss from this scene is that the soldiers are portrayed as getting angrier and angrier, maybe it could have even devolved into a riot. Shaw's character snaps them out of that with his pistol, and then with his actions turns the crowd's mood into celebration.

[@JustinMartin-i4x]

Trip didn't run away. He was looking for shoes.

[@eadecamp]

This is how leaders are made.

[@podsmpsg1]

Shaw expected from himself what he expected from his men. There's a difference between a leader who says "go there" and a leader who says "follow me".

[@Briselance]

A leader has to say "go there" quite often, though. He or she cannot be always and everywhere alongside the troops.

[@MrBrachiatingApe]

@@Briselance Sure, but the ones who always lead from the rear and treat themselves as a better class of person than the people they command? Versus the one who leads from the front from time to time and always leads by example, treating their subordinates fairly? One is obviously preferable. I think that's what Steve P was trying to say.

[@MrBrachiatingApe]

@Thomas Hoffman Caring is a very important part of leadership, but that desire to protect the welfare of your subordinates isn't the sole thing that makes a good leader. And in fact, if you care too much, it hampers your ability to lead when hard decisions have to be made. I work as a teacher, and I care about most of my students quite a bit, but I have to give them the grades they deserve. Rarely, I have to seriously chew the kids out for not taking the class seriously enough. I don't like doing it, but it can be necessary. There are plenty of other skills and qualities a leader needs to have, though if you're trying to say many different leadership styles can work, I'd agree. Though I think a very small number of them are clearly better than the majority. You may not believe it, but being a teacher--Junior High and High School--has taught me a lot about how to lead people. Or at least teenagers, but I think most of the lessons are applicable to any age.

[@migueljordan8122]

Well said.

[@tangocharliedd-2146]

Infantry follow me

[@i_am_thebatman]

I love how Trip refuses to take it because it’s complying with the sentiment he’s worth less and gets everyone to stand up against it.

[@FernandoMartinez-pv1id]

In reality it was Shaw that lead his Men to not accept lower pay. This was likely the first instance of a Union Officer demanding his Black Soldoers be treated as equals.

[@ACyrrock004]

I watched this movie in middle school. It had such a profound impact on me that I joined the military. This has always been one of my favorite movies.

[@theeatherlash69]

I joined. I did 9 years, and when I was injured, they gave me 100% disability pay for the rest of my life -- it's enough for me to live in the house that I own.

[@ericmgarrison]

And 1,000,000,000,000 more accurate than that Gods and Generals BS!!!!

[@jamesmasztalerz5930]

"If you men will take no pay, then none of us will" The mark of a real leader in that one statement

[@DomWeasel]

In real life, the pay boycott was his idea. But they were afraid that would come across too 'white saviour' so they changed it.

[@manuginobilisbaldspot424]

Goddamn, Denzel was compelling in this movie. Even in a 'supporting' role, he just grabs you when he's on the screen. With all due respect to A Soldier's Story and Cry Freedom, this was the true launch point to one of the greatest film acting careers of all time.

[@Graniteheart]

he *earned* that Supporting Actor Oscar he got for this movie

[@nene1082]

@@Graniteheart Agree 100%. One of the few things that the Academy Awards actually got right.

[@mikechet49]

An officer who will stand with his men. That’s a leader.

[@W.Stryker]

Any good officer should always stand by his men

[@Briselance]

In situations like this one here? Oh, yes. Definitely.

[@charlessaint7926]

Other black regiments that were formed around the same time were also denied equal pay. They protested also by refusing to accept what little was given. It wasn't until June 1864 that Congress authorized that black soldiers be given equal pay. By then the 54th had been serving for 16 months. It wasn't until September of that year that the regiment received their back-pay.

[@FernandoMartinez-pv1id]

All thanks to the 54th and Robert Gould Shaw himself who in reality was the one that encouraged his Men not to accept lower pay. He was likely the first Union Officer to make such a bold move.

[@Killerbill54nx]

Ten dollar lot of money

[@hagamapama]

It was, back then. Tuition was a couple hundred bucks. Serve your 2 years eat your rations sleep in the barracks and stay out of the brothels, and you could go to school when the war was over and really become something.

[@YeOldeGabe]

TEN DOLLA SUCCY SUCCY

[@ricorobles5232]

Phoenix_ Is_A_Taco sucky sucky ten bucky

[@hardcorealpha7924]

@@YeOldeGabe lol

[@TheMonkeyThatDoesYourJobBetter]

Wow getting paid 6 cents an hour to march/charge in front of live firing musket barrels, and cannons. 🤠

[@eadecamp]

I love the "oh shit what did I just do?" look on his face at 2:47

[@taylormoore5098]

"This month, we eat water..."

[@mitchellline4242]

Taylor Moore they still got rations, just not money to send home to their families.

[@FernandoMartinez-pv1id]

In Reality it was Shaw's Idea from the start. He encouraged them to not accept less pay.

[@steelhere5519]

Water can be very delicious if cooked right.

[@Seriona1]

If anyone is wondering, $13 dollars is about 250 in today's money.

[@G33KN3rd]

so $3k a year? nobody can survive on that... Are you sure $250 today is correct? Things must've been dirt cheap back then.

[@lasko24]

According to the inflation calculator its about 200 dollars today so Caesar wasn't to far off and yes things was way cheaper in a book from the 1920 's it listed prices of food and most things cost anywhere from 5 to 10 cents so with 5 dollars you could buy groceries for the month now the civil war was 60 years before so prices would probably be even lower then

[@CresentMoon18]

A month?

[@mitchellline4242]

ܚܢܘ ܚܢܐ many of the things back than were cheaper during to child labor and having no minimum wage working conditions were terrible in northern cities but st least they were still free unlike slaves I'm just saying they mostly worked for starvation wages

[@hardcorealpha7924]

No $100 was $3k so $13 was more like $500 a month, which sucks but better than nothing

[@itsaguinness]

So this is how Ferris spent his day off

[@oldDNU]

The sausage king of the 54th

[@4exgold]

Smithers, who is that young rabble rouser? -Why that's Denzel Washington, sir Washington eh? I have a feeling i'll remember that name

[@tripsaplenty1227]

"Who the devil are you?"

[@jmacdouglasr]

C. Montgomery Davis? C. Montgomery Stephens? Hmm.... who would he be the most like in this war!?

[@jorgegaytan3012]

Excellent...lol

[@jkarnes7529]

Best thing about this is you know some of the first ones in line already got paid and were hollering " tear it up" but keeping to themselves they got their money😂

[@Kingofthepeople]

TEAR IT UP!🧾 TEAR IT UP!🧾 TEAR IT UP!🧾 TEAR IT UP!🧾 TEAR IT UP!🧾

[@waimunyan7007]

He earned more than money can buy. He earned respect.

[@bman3794]

There is a big difference between those who command and those who lead. This scene explains it all.

[@dennisdobson2854]

Not only did they get paid $10, but they also had $3 deducted for clothing. White soldiers did not have a clothing deduction. African American soldiers were finally paid the same in 1864.

[@FernandoMartinez-pv1id]

All thanks to the 54th and Robert Gould Shaw himself who in reality was the one that encouraged his Men not to accept lower pay. He was likely the first Union Officer to make such a bold move.

[@trafficality]

Fighting alongside and fighting for your men, now that's soldiering.

[@gilbertzan]

Kinda thing that happens every day, most especially in corporates. Stand up like this take a lot of balls. Only a few.

[@scotttaylor8498]

Very powerful scene in all movies that have ever been made.

[@negtype13]

As Shaw ripped up his own check .. there was no gesture signifying more that the 54th were now “FAMILY!” 🤩

[@illbuyourniknak]

2:27 Anybody else see that Colt flipping action and straight into the holster? Shaw’s nothing short of a fucking gunslinger....

[@Theoneandonlyadammurphyryan]

Straight outta revolver ocelots playbook

[@SHADOWACTUAL]

@@Theoneandonlyadammurphyryan Guess you can say he’s.. Pretty good.

[@Theoneandonlyadammurphyryan]

@@SHADOWACTUAL and no stupid engravings that offer no tactical advantage whatsoever

[@SHADOWACTUAL]

@@Theoneandonlyadammurphyryan and he twisted his elbow to absorb the recoil.

[@Theoneandonlyadammurphyryan]

@@SHADOWACTUAL with all those skills imagine if he had been around for the automatic pistol

[@winstonp.prescott3845]

This movie is so underrated, and Matthew, this is his best role!

[@matthewkevinobispo6582]

Ah the legendary 54th Regiment... And this Priceless scene. Such Glory

[@michaelblackwell6194]

2:47- "Well, there goes my personal savings account"

[@fidelcastro6931]

Later that night, when they layin down, "Maybe we shouldn't have done that".

[@jimrayne6375]

The way Shaw reholstered his revolver was smooth!💥

[@walboyfredo6025]

By inflation, its a difference of $380 an month by 2019 rate - I would be pissed off too!

[@andrewhandley7239]

Love that movie. Still makes me cry.

[@paulmolkenbur8540]

I can't believe the b s these men must have went threw all I say is one thing it's called integrity

[@tommyatkins2527]

It's disgusting as Densel Washington said a black man stops bullet just as good as white man ww1 and ww2 black servicemen were treated poorly

[@Elite04232]

Trip was a jerk towards his comrades throughout the movie, but he made such a good decision to protest against their payment in this scene!

[@billybatts8283]

"If you men will take no pay, then we Officers will take your pay." "Oh."

[@MeeMee-gz5vp]

Love this part. I love it because of how the sun changed positions on Col. Shaw's face in 3-4 different ways in like 11 seconds.

[@stevenfoster9402]

One good man, you've got an idea. A few good men, you've got a revolution.

[@Suiax]

How to boost the morale of your battalion in one simple step.

[@Cabs1899]

Can anyone find and post the tent scene? It’s such great dialogue and really contextualizes former enslaved peoples’ lives... This movie is simply a classic. Excellent performances by everyone and beautiful film score. Wish this would be required to watch at every high school.

[@jesseduran5881]

there are men who lead by authority and there are men who inspire.... The best leaders don't use their rank, their actions inspire men to follow!!!!

[@LivingCrusader]

A legitimate grievance.

[@thelastjohnwayne]

Now that is leadership. With a leader like that most men will follow him into battle against the Gates of Hell

[@cptgibbs4256]

This is my favorite scene by far

[@robhill9336]

All of the officers besides Shaw: "Hey, speak for yourself dude!"

[@notfeedynotlazy]

Actually $7 per month - $3 were "docked to pay for clothing" (something that wasn't done for other soldiers). By 1865, after a couple years of taking pride on rejecting their reduced pay, the 54th's war cry was "Massachusetts and seven dollars a month!"

[@carnagegerman]

This is how you become a respected leader

[@simunator]

need more men and women to stand up for fundamental principles today. we have too many people blinded by the ratrace

[@marcusjustice6165]

US ARMY Private rank pay scale $10.00 plus $3.00 Uniform Clothing allowance. Actual pay, $13.00. US ARMY UNITED STATES COLORED TROOPS USCT Private rank pay scale $10.00 Minus $3.00 Uniform Clothing Deduction actual pay $7.00. 18 months no pay until 03031865 Equal Pay Act passed by The US Congress retroactive payment amount $13.00 times 18 months equaled $234.00 for USCT soldiers not killed in action.

[@thereisonlyonewright3040]

Marcus Justice Thank you for that information.

[@bigtruckdriva901]

How could you wave a confederate flag after watching this movie???

[@expertsmileee]

...what?

[@jameshays2646]

racism

[@davidzasloff8797]

I read that, in real life, Shaw suggested to his men that they refuse to accept the lower rate. Doing it this way makes a better scene, despite being inaccurate, but that’s the movies for you.

[@ianrastoski3346]

Tearing up your Army salary? Now that's soldiering.

[@natedizzle2321]

Meanwhile the commanding ranks back at hq like, “hold up, you mean no one took the money? We can use the money for other shit? Say less.”

[@MrJ0lly]

i like that even though most are tearing it up that are there a few who are still collecting the wage anyway

[@meixu5600]

Great movie!

[@marshallposey2063]

Fantastic movie!

[@mikaelhagstrom9381]

Great Movie...💪

[@davealmighty9638]

It actually was $7 a month after $3 was deducted for clothing. It wasn't a one time deduction either. The army wanted to deduct $3 from every months pay. White soldiers got $13 a month, and did not pay for uniforms. Eventually congress passed an act that allowed the 54th to recieve full backpay for their service, with the deceased families recieving their share. This was 18 months pay for the men who had been with the 54th since its inception.

[@DomWeasel]

I don't know about the US Army but in the British Army, deductions were taken all the time. Soldiers had their pay deducted for their food, their uniforms, their weapons, laundry, upkeep for soldiers hospitals etc etc. Ultimately, nearly half their yearly pay was deducted to pay for things you'd think an army should be providing freely to its soldiers.

[@JWilliamsLangley]

We'll all try to ignore the slightly off camera but very slick holstering of Shaw's pistola

[@janconner2087]

The 54th did not receive the regular pay until 1864. And it was only after an act of congress made it official. So, in effect, these soldiers fought for free

[@kakabukkake0]

1:48 What I yell at myself when it's payday from Amazon

[@vivi44]

What Shaw did was a noble gesture sure, but he could afford to. His family had money and he was set for life with or without army pay.

[@DmoneyS44]

The situation here was specifically about army pay, not overall socio economic condition. It may have just been a noble gesture but in certain cases thats all you need

[@Dreadandcircuses]

He earned their respect that day.

[@nighthawkdutchchameleon9815]

Word earned is key here.

[@Dreadandcircuses]

@@nighthawkdutchchameleon9815 That's right. He knew he had to earn it somehow. He just wasn't sure how or when. Then this opportunity presented itself.

[@NgJackal1990]

No raise, no pay.

[@Longliveevolution170]

I can't believe what I'm seeing! Mutiny!

[@gargouenzene]

You expect black people to accept 10 $ when the whites are payed 13 ? You're a dumbass !

[@domeniccarson8511]

So good. We can get along in this country. We have to get along...

[@blasphemy619]

I’m with Denzel.

[@justronny7748]

Colonel Shaw's gains and losses: > loses money > gains soldiers

[@alexbungcayao826]

I hope they teach this in history class. I wish there is mandatory military service after high school here in the US.

[@williammerkel1410]

I would prefer that it be easier to join, like lifting the ban on autism. You WANT people with high functioning autism in the military.

[@samsung5032]

@2:47 col shaw has a look on his face like "wtf did I just do"? You just became a team!

[@arkady714]

They didn't refuse pay for one month. They refused it for 13 months!

[@Edward-fm3jz]

Amen

[@literallyme26]

>An entire Regiment refuses to accept pay in a show of defiance to their superiors. >Their superiors: "... Okay."🗿

[@yourteamsucks2136]

Every thing about this scene is perfect. I love this movie since I saw it in Richmond in the theater in 1989.

[@matthewriley7826]

Rather ironic place to watch it eh?

[@St.Chriztopher]

Col. Shaw earned their respect after that..

[@Jsmith2024]

Great scene

[@bthorn5035]

That's leadership. Sadly, both military and businesses dgaf about this invaluable trait.

[@thatkindofguy234]

I'd fucking happily tear my wage up with these guys! Fucking disgusting thinking you can pay people less because of their skin!!

[@samsung5032]

No matter what, I stand with the oppressed.

[@bockmaker]

De oppresso liber

[@NONAME-kw3pu]

weekends off. simple. might start Friday afternoons? will have to do the math on that later... collect ur pay, they need the $$$$. NO GAMBLING!!!!!!

[@pjdiver3]

Regiment: "We won't accept pay!" Army: "Guess we have a surplus this month..."

[@FernandoMartinez-pv1id]

They eventually did grant them all backpay in the end. It was actually Shaw's idea from the start. The Union couldn't be seen with a Slave Army and therefore had to accept their demands for equality. They were Dogs being offered Bones when they demanded Meat.

[@BlackBarney]

Ten dolla a lotta money

[@peterloo3136]

❤

[@rhadooxxl]

Those men would follow him into hell after that. And they did

[@ronaldshank7589]

How about that? Col. Shaw stood with his men! They didn't deserve to be paid so little. Tripp started really standing up for not only himself, but the ENTIRE UNIT!!!

[@dgray3771]

Feel like he didn't need to prove his point by tearing it up though. He already stood by his men due to being their commander. If captured by the Confederates as a commander of black soldiers he would be executed. Which in itself is a war crime. But having that risk over your head and still willing to lead colored men into battle. He already proved his point.

[@comically1776]

This reminds me of The Civil rights leaders...

[@w_419]

Clear difference between a Colonel and a Leader.

[@bimbert2852]

Intresting, you could hear the yankee Huzzah! In the ranks of the men

[@baroque-rg1eq]

Great leader.

[@charge416]

Now that's leadership

[@gregj831]

Awesome scene!

[@eddiedeleon2425]

too many lessons to be learned isn't it just i surmised its still happening today but there is always i called the EQUALIZER, i always remember their names Washington and Freeman ... have you ever wonder how the being casted to this film

[@slicedlemons5925]

2:14 at this moment jackson knew... he fucked up

[@eddiedeleon2425]

no guts, no glory, sorry Sir Major General Frederick Corbin Blesse the etymology of our name, it's your lesson today and who is teaching today even STOP TALKING in place and the distance, too late but never is better Jeffrey Chaucer their lessons they left behind

[@tonycatat6522]

Ura!

[@MyThoughtzAndOpinionz]

This is back when the US Dollar had value.

[@ar-1571]

LETS HEAR IT FOR OUR COLONEL!!!!!!!!!!!!