Glory No Pay

[@jamesmasztalerz5930]

"If you men will take no pay, then none of us will" The mark of a real leader in that one statement

[@DomWeasel]

In real life, the pay boycott was his idea. But they were afraid that would come across too 'white saviour' so they changed it.

[@gandhithegreat328]

Let’s hear it for the Col!

[@pierlucabelsito2721]

Army Uniform: $2, Musket: $4, An officer who stands up for his men: Priceless

[@ChickenLiver911]

Especially in this time, all the more priceless when the men are black in this time.

[@ExperiGamer]

where are you going for a $4 musket

[@Dreadandcircuses]

@@ExperiGamer 1862.

[@bbrown9049]

Lol. No suprise you think he's the hero here.

[@Dreadandcircuses]

@@bbrown9049 He's not the hero here?

[@johnkongsaisy7014]

“They say in the Army the pay is mighty fine! They give you a hundred dollars and take back 99!”

[@ExhaustedElox]

"Ohhh, I don't want no more of Army life! Gee ma, I wanna go home!"

[@johnmorales6281]

"Army life is crazy...They got me They got me They got me missing my babyyyyy"

[@dawnwelch6579]

I know that song!!

[@god9364]

@@ExhaustedElox "back tooo ontario, gee ma, i wanna go hoooome"

[@ssgus3682]

Who says that

[@TheCoolProfessor]

Shaw had the respect of his men, now he has their love.

[@DialgaMarine3]

TheCoolProfessor He led and fought with them on the front and died with them. Best kind of leader any unit could ever have.

[@hartleymartin]

The Colonel was buried in a mass grave with his men. The Confederates considered it to be the final insult, but it only elevated his name as a true leader after his death.

[@Graniteheart]

@@hartleymartin his family, who were devoted to the abolitionist cause, considered it an honor for him to be buried with his men

[@Whoopdido777]

@Martin Hartley If I remember correctly, In the mass grave, Shaw and Trip landed right next to each other. I always found that to be symbolic. Shaw being the rich, white leader and Trip being the poor black soldier (and sort of an antagonist towards Shaw at the beginning) and in the end, they fought and died together and even ended up being buried next to each other. I should watch this movie again. It’s been awhile.

[@FernandoMartinez-pv1id]

In Reality it was Shaw who told them not to accept their Pay until it was made equal to White Soldiers.

[@TheStapleGunKid]

I love this scene, though it is slightly inaccurate. In real life, Robert Shaw didn't decide to tear up his pay after he saw his men do it, he was with his men right from the start.What's also interesting is that the state of Massachusetts offered to pay the 54th the money the feds were denying them so they would still make a full salary, but the 54th still refused. There was more at stake then money, they still refused to take lower pay on principle alone.

[@bewilderedbrit8928]

very interesting, thank you :)

[@TheStapleGunKid]

No problem. Also this was one issue where they did prevail. Eventually Congress passed a law so that black units would receive the same pay as white ones.

[@MaxCovington543]

I'm glad to hear that really happened. The scene kind of seemed like some Hollywood pandering kind of deal (and maybe it still is due to dramatization), but I'm happy to hear that Shaw stood by his men regardless of race.

[@TheStapleGunKid]

The best thing is this was a battle they won. Congress eventually did pass a law granting them equal pay. I really wish that was mentioned in the epilogue at the end.

[@totogamer6735]

TheStapleGunKid this is historical fiction. Not a documentary. Artistic license is to be expected

[@eadecamp]

This is how leaders are made.

[@mordecaigitau808]

For me this was one of the most defining moments of Col. Shaw. He'd ensured the men of the 54th were turned into real soldiers ready for combat. He'd made sure that they didn't have their inadequacies swept under the carpet because they were black; the way his friend Thomas was treated, the whipping of Trip for being a runaway, you'd expect him to have excused him coz of the wounds on his back. He never "pitied" these men and ensured that they turned into excellent soldiers;this even making him look mean and cold. It was this instilled order and discipline that eventually ensured they went into battle. A soldier takes orders and never questions, yet at this point Col. Shaw not only allowed questioning, he joined the men at protesting this injustice. Legendary in my opinion.

[@johnlozauskas778]

Epic is the word you are looking for.

[@tellurye]

@@johnlozauskas778 I dont know - I see both epic and legendary working here: Epic 1 (n): a long narrative poem in elevated style recounting the deeds of a legendary or historical hero the Iliad and the Odyssey are epics. 2 (a) a work of art (such as a novel or drama) that resembles or suggests an epic. legendary (a) of, described in, or based on legends. "a legendary British king of the 4th century" 2 remarkable enough to be famous; very well known. "his wisdom in battles was legendary"

[@koalabrownie]

One thing people miss from this scene is that the soldiers are portrayed as getting angrier and angrier, maybe it could have even devolved into a riot. Shaw's character snaps them out of that with his pistol, and then with his actions turns the crowd's mood into celebration.

[@JustinMartin-i4x]

Trip didn't run away. He was looking for shoes.

[@PODSMPSG1]

Shaw expected from himself what he expected from his men. There's a difference between a leader who says "go there" and a leader who says "follow me".

[@Briselance]

A leader has to say "go there" quite often, though. He or she cannot be always and everywhere alongside the troops.

[@MrBrachiatingApe]

@@Briselance Sure, but the ones who always lead from the rear and treat themselves as a better class of person than the people they command? Versus the one who leads from the front from time to time and always leads by example, treating their subordinates fairly? One is obviously preferable. I think that's what Steve P was trying to say.

[@MrBrachiatingApe]

@Thomas Hoffman Caring is a very important part of leadership, but that desire to protect the welfare of your subordinates isn't the sole thing that makes a good leader. And in fact, if you care too much, it hampers your ability to lead when hard decisions have to be made. I work as a teacher, and I care about most of my students quite a bit, but I have to give them the grades they deserve. Rarely, I have to seriously chew the kids out for not taking the class seriously enough. I don't like doing it, but it can be necessary. There are plenty of other skills and qualities a leader needs to have, though if you're trying to say many different leadership styles can work, I'd agree. Though I think a very small number of them are clearly better than the majority. You may not believe it, but being a teacher--Junior High and High School--has taught me a lot about how to lead people. Or at least teenagers, but I think most of the lessons are applicable to any age.

[@migueljordan8122]

Well said.

[@tangocharliedd-2146]

Infantry follow me

[@ACyrrock004]

I watched this movie in middle school. It had such a profound impact on me that I joined the military. This has always been one of my favorite movies.

[@theeatherlash69]

I joined. I did 9 years, and when I was injured, they gave me 100% disability pay for the rest of my life -- it's enough for me to live in the house that I own.

[@ericmgarrison]

And 1,000,000,000,000 more accurate than that Gods and Generals BS!!!!

[@i_am_thebatman]

I love how Trip refuses to take it because it’s complying with the sentiment he’s worth less and gets everyone to stand up against it.

[@FernandoMartinez-pv1id]

In reality it was Shaw that lead his Men to not accept lower pay. This was likely the first instance of a Union Officer demanding his Black Soldoers be treated as equals.

[@Saw321lol]

2:35 You can hear a "Oh shit." in the background xD

[@blockmasterscott]

I never noticed that! ROFL!!!!!!!

[@mikeharrison7949]

hahahaahahahhahahhahaha

[@bladegtr34]

I think it was "No shit.", the guy before him says "It's the start of something here." and the other guy responded "No shit." in agreement. They knew things were about to go down. lol

[@dickchasin1275]

Hahaahhahahahahhaha

[@manuginobilisbaldspot424]

Goddamn, Denzel was compelling in this movie. Even in a 'supporting' role, he just grabs you when he's on the screen. With all due respect to A Soldier's Story and Cry Freedom, this was the true launch point to one of the greatest film acting careers of all time.

[@Graniteheart]

he *earned* that Supporting Actor Oscar he got for this movie

[@nene1082]

@@Graniteheart Agree 100%. One of the few things that the Academy Awards actually got right.

[@Glitchfaction]

Why do you want God to damn him then?

[@ostaruempire]

I love this scene so much because this takes a massive amount of courage to do. Had I been in that position I honestly don't know if I would've been able to stand up like that so bravely, I most likely would've accepted the money had no one spoke up. Best part of all is when Robert also agrees he won't accept his money either to be equal with his men. Christ, what a great movie!

[@Killerbill54nx]

Ten dollar lot of money

[@hagamapama]

It was, back then. Tuition was a couple hundred bucks. Serve your 2 years eat your rations sleep in the barracks and stay out of the brothels, and you could go to school when the war was over and really become something.

[@YeOldeGabe]

TEN DOLLA SUCCY SUCCY

[@ricorobles5232]

Phoenix_ Is_A_Taco sucky sucky ten bucky

[@hardcorealpha7924]

@@YeOldeGabe lol

[@TheMonkeyThatDoesYourJobBetter]

Wow getting paid 6 cents an hour to march/charge in front of live firing musket barrels, and cannons. 🤠

[@terrorsaur599]

This film has the best screenplay to a war movie I have ever seen. “If you men will take no pay… then none of us will!”

[@mikechet49]

An officer who will stand with his men. That’s a leader.

[@TheML1111]

Mutually earned respect! It creates a much stronger, cohesive unit when your officers actually back up the men by not asking them to do anything they themselves wouldn’t do.

[@FernandoMartinez-pv1id]

In reality it was Shaw that lead his Men to not accept lower pay. This was likely the first instance of a Union Officer demanding his Black Soldiers be treated as equals.

[@eadecamp]

I love the "oh shit what did I just do?" look on his face at 2:47

[@Why_are_you00]

"This month, we eat water..."

[@mitchellline4242]

Taylor Moore they still got rations, just not money to send home to their families.

[@FernandoMartinez-pv1id]

In Reality it was Shaw's Idea from the start. He encouraged them to not accept less pay.

[@steelhere5519]

Water can be very delicious if cooked right.

[@hisdudeness8328]

When Shaw tore up his pay stub, that was the moment he truly became the commander of the 54th Massachusetts.

[@roelmd8907]

True that. Not just commander in commission, but actual commander, and a father figure in their hearts.

[@W.Stryker]

Any good officer should always stand by his men

[@Briselance]

In situations like this one here? Oh, yes. Definitely.

[@margaretthai588]

That is right and great message. As a team or family, you go together.... good or bad. Richer or poorer. I love this scene.

[@4exgold]

Smithers, who is that young rabble rouser? -Why that's Denzel Washington, sir Washington eh? I have a feeling i'll remember that name

[@tripsaplenty1227]

"Who the devil are you?"

[@jmacdouglasr]

C. Montgomery Davis? C. Montgomery Stephens? Hmm.... who would he be the most like in this war!?

[@jorgegaytan3012]

Excellent...lol

[@itsaguinness]

So this is how Ferris spent his day off

[@oldDNU]

The sausage king of the 54th

[@charlessaint7926]

Other black regiments, that were formed around the same time, were also denied equal pay. They protested also, refusing to accept what little was given. It wasn't until June 1864, that Congress authorized black soldiers be given equal pay. By then the 54th had served for 16 months. It wasn't until September of that year the regiment received their back-pay.

[@FernandoMartinez-pv1id]

All thanks to the 54th and Robert Gould Shaw himself who in reality was the one that encouraged his Men not to accept lower pay. He was likely the first Union Officer to make such a bold move.

[@waimunyan7007]

He earned more than money can buy. He earned respect.

[@jkarnes7529]

Best thing about this is you know some of the first ones in line already got paid and were hollering " tear it up" but keeping to themselves they got their money😂

[@mariekano9730]

When I see an F on my report card.... "TEAR IT UP!"

[@Trea2030]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Seriona1]

If anyone is wondering, $13 dollars is about 250 in today's money.

[@G33KN3rd]

so $3k a year? nobody can survive on that... Are you sure $250 today is correct? Things must've been dirt cheap back then.

[@lasko24]

According to the inflation calculator its about 200 dollars today so Caesar wasn't to far off and yes things was way cheaper in a book from the 1920 's it listed prices of food and most things cost anywhere from 5 to 10 cents so with 5 dollars you could buy groceries for the month now the civil war was 60 years before so prices would probably be even lower then

[@CresentMoon18]

A month?

[@mitchellline4242]

ܚܢܘ ܚܢܐ many of the things back than were cheaper during to child labor and having no minimum wage working conditions were terrible in northern cities but st least they were still free unlike slaves I'm just saying they mostly worked for starvation wages

[@hardcorealpha7924]

No $100 was $3k so $13 was more like $500 a month, which sucks but better than nothing

[@gilbertzan]

Kinda thing that happens every day, most especially in corporates. Stand up like this take a lot of balls. Only a few.

[@LX.Zandaaa62]

Yup modern day slavery but disguised

[@jimrayne6375]

The way Shaw reholstered his revolver was smooth!💥

[@trafficality]

Fighting alongside and fighting for your men, now that's soldiering.

[@bman3794]

There is a big difference between those who command and those who lead. This scene explains it all.

[@winstonp.prescott3845]

This movie is so underrated, and Matthew, this is his best role!

[@Kingofthepeople]

TEAR IT UP!🧾 TEAR IT UP!🧾 TEAR IT UP!🧾 TEAR IT UP!🧾 TEAR IT UP!🧾

[@anthonycarr5514]

Freedman's look at 2:45 is worth a million words.

[@michaelblackwell6194]

2:47- "Well, there goes my personal savings account"

[@negtype13]

As Shaw ripped up his own check .. there was no gesture signifying more that the 54th were now “FAMILY!” 🤩

[@illbuyourniknak]

2:27 Anybody else see that Colt flipping action and straight into the holster? Shaw’s nothing short of a fucking gunslinger....

[@Theoneandonlyadammurphyryan]

Straight outta revolver ocelots playbook

[@SHADOWACTUAL]

@@Theoneandonlyadammurphyryan Guess you can say he’s.. Pretty good.

[@Theoneandonlyadammurphyryan]

@@SHADOWACTUAL and no stupid engravings that offer no tactical advantage whatsoever

[@SHADOWACTUAL]

@@Theoneandonlyadammurphyryan and he twisted his elbow to absorb the recoil.

[@Theoneandonlyadammurphyryan]

@@SHADOWACTUAL with all those skills imagine if he had been around for the automatic pistol

[@peimonmajlessi8338]

That's a real man right there! A true commander leads by EXAMPLE!! That's what i mean by patriarchy men leading other men and setting a good example for OTHERs to follow!

[@scotttaylor8498]

Very powerful scene in all movies that have ever been made.

[@jesseduran5881]

there are men who lead by authority and there are men who inspire.... The best leaders don't use their rank, their actions inspire men to follow!!!!

[@kevinadamson6830]

One of the best scenes Early Denzel... That man is an icon

[@hawkinatorgamer9725]

This movie is a masterpiece.

[@thelastjohnwayne]

Now that is leadership. With a leader like that most men will follow him into battle against the Gates of Hell

[@matthewkevinobispo6582]

Ah the legendary 54th Regiment... And this Priceless scene. Such Glory

[@andrewhandley7239]

Love that movie. Still makes me cry.

[@katelyngrace721]

We watched this movie in Hostory class. I actually really enjoyed it. Whic suprised me, as I'm not much of a history person.

[@Ori0n1975]

You have to talk to an actual ho to know accurate hostory.

[@HustleMuscleGhias]

You aren't much of a spelling person either.

[@johnnysunday402]

I like that "oh shit" moment after Shaw fires into the air and sop slings his pistol into the holster.

[@Elite04232]

Trip was a jerk towards his comrades throughout the movie, but he made such a good decision to protest against their payment in this scene!

[@imperatorglaber1752]

One of the greatest military movies of all time

[@MeeMee-gz5vp]

Love this part. I love it because of how the sun changed positions on Col. Shaw's face in 3-4 different ways in like 11 seconds.

[@IronFoot-n1q]

EVERY officer in every branch of the service should be required to watch this about 100 times to see how to behave as a REAL leader.

[@ronaldshank7589]

Pvt. Tripp, strangely enough, did the right thing here! And what did Col. Shaw do? He backed it up! He actually supported what Pvt. Tripp did! I love it!

[@Cabs1899]

Can anyone find and post the tent scene? It’s such great dialogue and really contextualizes former enslaved peoples’ lives... This movie is simply a classic. Excellent performances by everyone and beautiful film score. Wish this would be required to watch at every high school.

[@hcutter]

Leadership at its finest, when it was needed the most!

[@titanicfreak1320]

This is my favorite scene I love this movie

[@dennisdobson2854]

Not only did they get paid $10, but they also had $3 deducted for clothing. White soldiers did not have a clothing deduction. African American soldiers were finally paid the same in 1864.

[@FernandoMartinez-pv1id]

All thanks to the 54th and Robert Gould Shaw himself who in reality was the one that encouraged his Men not to accept lower pay. He was likely the first Union Officer to make such a bold move.

[@AbrahamLincoln4]

2:26 Shaw got those gunslinging skills!

[@paulmolkenbur8540]

I can't believe the b s these men must have went threw all I say is one thing it's called integrity

[@tommyatkins2527]

It's disgusting as Densel Washington said a black man stops bullet just as good as white man ww1 and ww2 black servicemen were treated poorly

[@stevenfoster9402]

One good man, you've got an idea. A few good men, you've got a revolution.

[@Delta-Noir]

Aries Spears brought me here. 1:14 10 dollar a lotta money

[@Wonders2Ponder]

This is my favorite scene by far

[@fidelcastro6931]

Later that night, when they layin down, "Maybe we shouldn't have done that".

[@reinforcer9000]

one of my most favorite films

[@notfeedynotlazy]

2:43 At this precise instant, they knew they would follow this man to Hades and back

[@walboyfredo6025]

By inflation, its a difference of $380 an month by 2019 rate - I would be pissed off too!

[@SaiquanCanty]

"All you good color boys go on ahead and.. SIGN UP...." (New York accent) 😂😂

[@notfeedynotlazy]

Actually $7 per month - $3 were "docked to pay for clothing" (something that wasn't done for other soldiers). By 1865, after a couple years of taking pride on rejecting their reduced pay, the 54th's war cry was "Massachusetts and seven dollars a month!"

[@Suiax]

How to boost the morale of your battalion in one simple step.

[@simunator]

need more men and women to stand up for fundamental principles today. we have too many people blinded by the ratrace

[@brycestevens4829]

Hazza! Man, I love this movie. 😎

[@marcusjustice6165]

US ARMY Private rank pay scale $10.00 plus $3.00 Uniform Clothing allowance. Actual pay, $13.00. US ARMY UNITED STATES COLORED TROOPS USCT Private rank pay scale $10.00 Minus $3.00 Uniform Clothing Deduction actual pay $7.00. 18 months no pay until 03031865 Equal Pay Act passed by The US Congress retroactive payment amount $13.00 times 18 months equaled $234.00 for USCT soldiers not killed in action.

[@thereisonlyonewright3040]

Marcus Justice Thank you for that information.

[@specs6637]

My favorite scene in the movie

[@luisbohorquez7096]

Shaw was a good man..May he and the 54th rest in the paradise 😇❤😢🙏👍🙏🎗️🎗️🎗️🇺🇲

[@billybatts8283]

"If you men will take no pay, then we Officers will take your pay." "Oh."

[@LivingCrusader]

A legitimate grievance.

[@alexeggert3112]

At 2:35 you can hear someone in the back saying "oh shit"

[@triandfit1]

Standing with your men by forgoing pay…..Now THAT’S soldiering.

[@DomWeasel]

In real life, it was his idea.

[@meixu5600]

Great movie!

[@mikaelhagstrom9381]

Great Movie...💪

[@carnagegerman]

This is how you become a respected leader

[@AbrahamLincoln4]

Officer: "Make your mark right here." Morgan: "I can write my name here." Officer "Then do it. -_-" Morgan: *"The fuck you say to me my n*gga?"*

[@morefiction3264]

And that's how you earn the loyalty of men.

[@marshallposey2063]

Fantastic movie!

[@trwent]

At that moment, they all said, "Ferris, you're my hero". 😅

[@natedizzle2321]

Meanwhile the commanding ranks back at hq like, “hold up, you mean no one took the money? We can use the money for other shit? Say less.”

[@navy4735]

like Hannibal of old......always about his "men"...love it ! and because of that, Hannibal with his men decimated Roman Legions....

[@sethronalds9457]

Hannibal and is men were also destroyed and Rome kept on going

[@TrollWrld]

That's because he didn't have the governmental backing that Rome could offer. Flat out better general than all the consuls put together. Better resources I guess.

[@MrJ0lly]

i like that even though most are tearing it up that are there a few who are still collecting the wage anyway

[@JWilliamsLangley]

We'll all try to ignore the slightly off camera but very slick holstering of Shaw's pistola

[@Missingno868]

Anyone know what he asks at 0:17?

[@DomWeasel]

'Can anything be done?'

[@drcovington2k8]

Can anything be done?

[@ianroscablu]

Tearing up your Army salary? Now that's soldiering.

[@TUBBSLARDY1]

Shaw smiles and nods knowingly that he has a roll of sellotape in his pocket.

[@benkim4585]

Great scene. Fight against discrimination

[@samsung5032]

@2:47 col shaw has a look on his face like "wtf did I just do"? You just became a team!

[@markirish8907]

one of denzels best scenes

[@DarlingNikki2]

He was incredible in this film! The entire cast was brilliant, truly lightning in a bottle.

[@robhill9336]

All of the officers besides Shaw: "Hey, speak for yourself dude!"

[@arkady714]

They didn't refuse pay for one month. They refused it for 13 months!

[@davidzasloff8797]

I read that, in real life, Shaw suggested to his men that they refuse to accept the lower rate. Doing it this way makes a better scene, despite being inaccurate, but that’s the movies for you.

[@St.Chriztopher]

Col. Shaw earned their respect after that..

[@domeniccarson8511]

So good. We can get along in this country. We have to get along...