Gloster Meteor - The Only Allied Jet to Fight in WW2

[@petrolhead4503]

Gloster: “We have a new fighter jet that’s going to revolutionize the industry!” RAF: “Great! Any downsides?” Gloster: “Well, it can’t take off...” RAF: “We’ll take a hundred!”

[@mitseraffej5812]

Petrol Head . A bit like the BAC 146, another fine British airplane. Hot day and they struggle.

[@Im.always.watching]

@@mitseraffej5812 that's good in England it's never hot

[@nathanbasset]

“Also the guns never work” J a p a n t i m e

[@petrolhead4503]

G8M8N8 RAF: “Thank you monsieur Chauchat. We always appreciate collaborating with the French”

[@mike_hunt4783]

@@Im.always.watching thats a joke right, you're saying that in the middle of a heat wave? and never hot when it was like 30 degrees during the lockdown....

[@smithy2389]

The meteor wasn’t developed to counter the Me-262. They entered service at roughly the same time. It was just pressed into service to tackle the V1.

[@Yorkshiremadmick]

I thought this too 👍🏻

[@smithy2389]

Mactrip100 it was developed to test Jet fighter feasibility and to replace existing piston-engine fighters that were reaching the limit of development. Only the MkV and IX spitfires were developed to meet a specific existing fighter threat. Me109F and FW-190A respectively. From a purely british perspective.

[@davepotter9532]

@Mactrip100 The 2 aircraft and engines were developed separately and without knowledge of each other ( although the Germans had read an early Frank Whittle research paper. Eacb side was looking for an advantage and turbojets had potential to be faster and higher that piston engines. They would also burn a lower grade fuel. Actually the Meteor was over a year late. The air ministry had given Whittle's design to Rover to produce but they made a hash of it. Finally they transferred the contract to Rolls Royce and the rest is history.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

The "Meatbox" appears to have been designed to deal with the surplus of RAF pilots...

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@martkbanjoboy8853 In 1952, 12 "Meatboxes" crashed in a single week, 150 in total that year, in 1951 6 crashed in a single day. The losses were absolutely staggering yet the RAF never grounded this appallingly unstable aircraft... they did nothing.

[@geoffread2707]

My Dad used to service Meteors during his national service days 1951 - 53

[@cidndnjdjdndiidbdid5456]

That's awesome

[@7uhyschannel723]

That is very neat, glad to hear a cool fact like that

[@Kevin-mx1vi]

Many years ago I worked with someone who had been an RAF armourer shortly after WWII and had also worked on Meteors. I remember him telling me that the aircraft could generate more G-force in a turn than the airframe could handle, and pilots were told not to turn too quickly or "You'll find yourself doing 500 miles per hour without your aircraft".

[@markrowland1366]

A few shooting star fighters were in southern Italy to prevent Amado survalence flights. The Flights were affected.

[@DataWaveTaGo]

re: My Dad used to service Meteors Oh, oh. They have a large intake...

[@garykullack2314]

I sat in a Me 262 in Munich Germany I had a professor that flew in them and survived the war...

[@rustycage670]

That's very interesting..

[@garykullack2314]

@James Blonde Whright Patterson AFB had one before I got there, but I got to read all the technical data about them. Have some of it in cd Engines barely lasted 25hr because they did not have hi heat aloys....

[@johnburns4017]

@@garykullack2314 More like 10 to 12 hours, if you were lucky.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@garykullack2314 That's interesting because American test results showed they averaged 50 to 60 hours... excellent by WW2 standard.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@johnburns4017 John, did you forget to take you medication again? Please get help.

[@haroldgodwinson832]

My father told me many years ago that he watched the Gloster E28 being tested in 1941, from memory, when he was posted to his OTU at Chivenor, prior to joining 86 Squadron, Coastal Command, as an air gunner.

[@safeman1231]

Who researches this stuff, so many non facts. A Meteor still flies regularly at Temora Aviation Museum NSW. Meteors saw service in the RAAF prior to the Sabre in the late 40's and into the 50's. My friends uncle, George Hale, flew Meteors in Korea with the RAAF and is credited with two Mig 15's kills. The last RAAF fighter pilot to shoot down enemy planes. Retired as a Qantas captain and is commemorated at Temora Aviation Museum where his call sign "Halestorm" is painted over a map of Tasmania on the Meteor.

[@stephenjacks8196]

Ha ha. MiG-15 has single engine copied from and double the Meteor engines. Last of their kind.

[@ingen6051]

...? The MiG-15 has a reverse engineered Rolls Royce Nene engine... the Soviets bought Nenes and stole em

[@rovercoupe7104]

At least the Meteor is still getting a mention. M.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@stephenjacks8196 Not true, the Meatbox was powered by Welland or Derwent engines, the Nene was too large and heavy to fit Meatbox.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@ingen6051 The Soviets bought the 25 unsold Nene engines and produced an unlicensed copy called the RD-45. The MiG 15 was powered by the Klimov VK-1.

[@bigblue6917]

Whittle's jet engine could have been available much earlier but for the fact it had to be accepted by an RAF officer who mistakenly believed his own ideas about jet engines were better the Whittle's. It was he who held Whittle back. With out that officer then Whittle's jet engine could have been used much earlier. Just imagine a combat version of the Gloster E.26 during the Battle of Britain. Old Herman Goring claimed the Mosquito made him yellow and green with envy. You can only imagine how many other colours he would have turned if his Luftwaffe had to face jets.

[@tachikomakusanagi3744]

I guess you mean Alan Griffith? He had some pretty impressive ideas about turbine engines (axial flow compressors for example), but didn't think the jet thrust could be used as direct propulsion.

[@jimdavis8391]

Early jet fighters really weren't all that great, poor range, lousy acceleration, unreliable engines and problems with guns at high speed being some of the issues; all the early models had to be used in niche roles (something that Hitler himself failed to understand) unlike aircraft such as the P51 and Mosquito which were very adaptable; some such as the A/B26, Skyraider still in use decades later. As always other technologies such as air to air missiles and airbourne radar had to grow in order for Jet fighters to explore their potential. Jet bombers if anything had more initial value, see the Canberra and B47.

[@duncanmcgee13]

The same could be said about the 262. There was another jet fighter ready for production as early as 1939 but the Luftwaffe saw no need for such an expensive project when, at the time, the 109 and 190 were both superior to anything they encountered. Then when it came time for the 262 Hitler demanded that it be a fighter bomber which pushed it back by several years.

[@ryanovski]

Luftwaffe would have been so LOLed

[@steveperreira5850]

This is a very interesting twist Mr. big blue. Where can I learn more about this military officer who retarded the advancement of the jet engine in Britain?

[@andywells397]

Almost 80 yrs ago , jet propulsion was in its infancy. An amazing achievement.

[@QurikyBark32919]

Now we’ve got F-22’s, VTOL, and things like the SR-71

[@Crashed131963]

In 1944 many prop planes could go over 400 mph. like the FW-190-A8 , P-38 lightning , F4 Corsair, SpitFire Mk XII , Mosquito , P-51, Tempest and thunderbolt.

[@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935]

John Smith Yeah but it was obvious that the jet engines had no obvious maximum power limits and thrust was going to increase dramatically. Longer engine nacelles produced much less drag later, the 262’s axial flow engines gave it a better fineness ratio than the original Meteor nacelles. Development was rushed in wartime, in peacetime the problems would have been more sorted out before the plane entered service.

[@Crashed131963]

@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 Just that the video stated at the time of the V1 (1944) most planes could not reach 400 mph , I was stating many could do 400 and beyond. Some could hit 430 MPH.

[@David.Bobson]

Don't forget spit mk9 and mk 14.

[@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935]

@@Crashed131963 But not at sea level, those speeds would be at full throttle height which for a 2 stage supercharger plane could be near 20,000 feet up. I think the Spitfire XIV's was 22,000 feet with 150 octane fuel. The V1s came in quite low. Even modern Mach 2 planes might only do 900 mph at sea level. Checked, 24,000' +

[@richardvernon317]

@@Crashed131963 Meteor F Mk 1 was cleared to a VNE of 450MPH at Sea Level on its Service Release Documentation issued on 17th July 1944. It's Limit at 20,000 feet was 400MPH due to Mach number limits.

[@nicholasmazzarella2720]

Dark Super cool video. Great work and no matter what the comments say. Your pace is just fine. Keep doing what you are doing. Can't wait for the next video.

[@Roverman1]

My Uncle flew a Meteor for the Royal Netherlands Air Force , while flying in formation his ejection seat self ignited. His fighter kept formation on its own and a little bit of time passed before it was noticed that the cockpit was empty !

[@Gecko....]

Is this after you cowards surrendered in a week? Even the belgians put up a tougher fight. You didn't even flood your canals to slow the Nazis down and block them because you didn't want to hurt your economy ffs. Then you gave up all your jews to be killed whilst supplying the nazis with all kinds of supplies. In my experience the dutch are arrogant and antisocial, you have an air of superiority towards others and have the social skills of hornets, frequently saying whatever is on your minds at the wrong point.

[@paulcurtis9852]

Don't forget to change the playback speed to 75% for all "Dark Skies" docs.

[@alanp9081]

How do I do that?

[@paulcurtis9852]

@@alanp9081 Select 'Settings' and then 'Playback Speed'. 75% is much easier on the ears. :)

[@Beldaran74]

Yep. Thanks for the reminder

[@PauloPereira-jj4jv]

@Tru Quality ... I thought it was my problem.

[@PauloPereira-jj4jv]

@EnglishXnXproud ... but better than the original speed.

[@jeremythomson6998]

Temora Aviation Museum in Australia has an airworthy Meteor. Has an amazing sound as it flies past.

[@EdOeuna]

Jeremy Thomson - a fantastic museum who fly all their aircraft. I recall landing there one morning and taxiing past one of their Spitfires.

[@woobi313]

Jeremy Thomson I’ve seen it so cool

[@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou]

@@EdOeuna jeez I wonder what their most valuable aircraft is.... At some point id become paranoid that something will happen which isn't an unreasonable thought to have lol. Potentially losing an irreplaceable aircraft and the pilot would be awful.

[@EdOeuna]

@@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou - the ethos of the museum is to have flying vintage aircraft, not aircraft hanging from the roof gathering dust. They have regular showcases where they fly many of the aircraft and do aerobatics. From memory they have at least one Spitfire, a Vampire, Meteor, Canberra, O2 bird dog, and a Cessna Dragonfly.

[@rubensflorentino548]

There is one in the Brazilian Air Force Museum that should be airworthy too, it was in flying condition when was delivered there. The famous "it was running when I parked it".

[@BigBubbaloola]

Great video from a great channel (as usual). Could I recommend that you do a video on Eric "Winkle" Brown who flew this and.....well frankly everything else. Awesome life that deserves it's own video.

[@philipmarwood9327]

There are a couple of vids about Eric Brown on you tube. They are brilliant and he goes through his life of test piloting from stick and linen to second generation jets. The number of ,firsts, he achieved are staggering

[@aviatorflighttraining]

Planes of Fame now has one of the two 2 flying meteors at their museum in Chino, California. It flew in a couple weeks ago and will remain a flying airplane in the museums collection (which includes a P-59 under restoration and a P-80)

[@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou]

California ay? >:) in that case I think ill identify as the Meteors rightful owner and demand possession of the aircraft immediately!

[@aunicornwithglasses3284]

As a lad from Gloucestershire, anyone from my region who knows the history of the county will easily and happily state that the meteor is one of our county's biggest achievements. Though its quite easy to note that Gloucestershire was/(is?) quite heavily focused on aircraft production, especially during war times. As a history nut its a tad sad that a decent portion of historical sites of my county are longer around, however as a county we are quite proud. Not bad for some farmers who likes our tractors aye?

[@chrishutton1458]

Every time I drive down the M5 to see my Mum, I remember Moreton Valence. Every time I visit my sister, I head back to the M5 via Gloster Aircraft.

[@peterh3955]

Incorrect, there is still one flying Meteor.Temora Aviation Museum in Australia has the only airworthy Meteor left in the world. Built by Gloster in 1949, it carried RAF serial number VZ467 and served until 1982 before being handed over to a private British owner. After being purchased by Temora, it was transported to Australia before being reassembled at Bankstown. It has since been repainted and carries RAAF Korean War-era markings. Cheers.

[@leneanderthalien]

Yep , a F8 version

[@barrierodliffe4155]

And two owned by Martin Baker in England kept in flying condition and used for testing ejector seats.

[@stewart8127]

1982?

[@jamesdavis332]

The aircraft that made its last flight at Bruntingthorpe was the last flying example of the night fighter variant. The two Martin Baker aircraft are still flying - I've seen them regularly.

[@xandercaswell8984]

I used to work at Martin-Baker and they have a hanger full of airworthy spares to keep the 2 Meteors flying for years to come. They are an amazing sight on low flybys as the pilot usually does after a live ejection test fire

[@MostlyPennyCat]

Those clipped wing Meteors are gorgeous.

[@CK-oz8nn]

Don’t know how I’m just now finding your page, damn fine work. Excellent content!

[@AtheAetheling]

One of the advantages of the Meteor over the German jet was maintenance. It had far more flying hours before it needed a full service.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

Not true... don't spread anymore false myths.

[@AtheAetheling]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 It's completely true, Sander. Sorry if that upsets you.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@AtheAetheling You are completely confused and misinformed. The German engines had very similar PFTR and TBOs, maintenance wa much easier as a skilled crew could change-out a Jumo 004 engine in minutes. Any questions?

[@barrierodliffe4155]

Sandbum dorktorbummer. They had to change the engines quickly, they were lucky to last ten hours. Out of over 1,400 Me 262 made there were never enough jet engines for the rest, all production going to keep the few flying.

[@fritzfieldwrangle-clouder7299]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 Yes Sandyboy, I have questions. Why wouldn't anyone buy the crappy Me 262 after the war? Why were the Czechs left with the 12 they built gathering dust on the shelf? Why did the Argentinians, who were awash with nazis and nazi money and were using Kurt Tank to start their jet airforce buy the Gloster Meteor over the Me 262? Why would people rather buy the Me 109 and put a Merlin engine in it? I look forward to reading your answers, unless of course you haven't got any.

[@gort8203]

The first misleading statement comes not even 30 seconds into the video. The Meteor was not built specifically to fight air battles against the Me-262. The meteor design had been underway before the 262 entered service because everyone was designing jets, which they all knew was the coming thing. Sloppy research or sloppy writing.

[@AtheistOrphan]

Gort - This channel has never been hot on accuracy. For that you need Mark Felton.

[@DataWaveTaGo]

Dark Skies is infotainment for the lazy.

[@DiegoLopez-zk8vj]

@@AtheistOrphan or Greg

[@rogerpattube]

It could be sloppy research *and* sloppy writing.

[@runawaycatwithbreadaroundm2512]

And yet we continue to watch

[@joaovitorcorreiadesantana.1424]

We brazilians have great memories of those flying over here. It´s such a beautifull plane.

[@zenonlopezwallace568]

Same in the Argentine,I can sill remember the sound....

[@zenonlopezwallace568]

Pilots loved gloster meteors,but it had no ejection seat,so if abandoned,you had to first turn it 180 on its longitudinal axis, or get cought by the rear surfaces..we had about 100.... A fine aircraft...

[@skyscall]

@@zenonlopezwallace568 Most planes of the time period had no ejection seats. I believe the Meteor was one of the pioneers of that

[@Wideoval73]

Really good video on an aircraft that often doesn't get the credit it deserves. Keep up the good work.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

Credit for what? The Gloster _"Meatbox"_ was the worst jet fighter in history.

[@fritzfieldwrangle-clouder7299]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 Sorry Sandyboy but your Mum asked me to tell you to stop talking bollocks. The Me 262 had a mechanical failure/pilot error loss rate of 33% and after the war nobody wanted them. The Czech kept building them for an anticipated export market but nobody was interested. Even Argentina which was full of nazis and nazi money, (including Kurt Tank who knew a thing or two about jets) wouldn't buy that crap and chose the Meteor instead.

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 Adof Galland rated it very well in Argentina and I'll take his word over the word of a sad angry wehraboo like you.

[@barrierodliffe4155]

@@sandervanderkammen9230ybum. The Meteor was very good, far from the worst, the failure Me 262 was much worse, the F 104 was much worse.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@barrierodliffe4155 *The Gloster **_"Meatbox"_** never shot down a single Luftwaffe plane... it only killed British pilots.*

[@kg_canuck]

Having your squad upgrade from piston to jet aircraft would be like upgrading from jet to teleportation today. That airfield must have been buzzing as the jets were brought out

[@hbomatt]

Except it killed half the pilots in the first year...

[@kg_canuck]

@@hbomatt still would have bee an exciting first day

[@davem2369]

Those new jets would look cool but it would take 10 years for the new jets to truly be superior to the last of the prop fighters. Royal Navy Sea Furys would hold their own against the MiG15 in the Korean War but that was the turning point, jet engines and airframe design had matured enough to surpass the prop fighters in air to air combat after that point.

[@scottabc72]

Not really, the improvement in performance was roughly comparable to late war piston planes vs piston planes from just before the war- a notable improvement but hardly magical

[@OhFishyFish]

Looking at a Spitfire parked next to Meteor in a museum made me think about how the 1943 pilots must have felt when they fest saw it. I'd imagine it would be like me standing next to a modern jet with an alien spaceship landing right next to it.

[@renatostumpf2178]

In 1953, Brazil acquired 60 Gloster Meteror, in the F-8 and TF-7 versions, operated until 1968, when they were replaced by the F-80, in 1969 a Gloster Meteor F-8 was built with remaining parts stocks, making Thus, the 61 Brazilian Gloster Meteor, having operated until 1974, when it was transferred in flight to the Brazilian Aerospace Museum.

[@dumptrump3788]

The Meteor was a well sorted out design (for its time) with very reliable engines. The Me262 was a mess, it weaved horribly at high speed & went so fast pilots often didn't have time to get a shot in on a target. It's engines lasted no more than a few hours & THAT was only when they were used very, very carefully, otherwise they'd immediately destroy themselves. Often overlooked was the fact that the Me262 couldn't slow down, so it spent lots of time losing speed before it could land, making it a sitting duck for Allied Fighters, especially since the pilot couldn't throttle up to get away because that would immediately destroy the engines. The Me262 was so badly made panel gaps had to be bodged up with putty, the Meteor was so well made they flew until 2019 using the original engines. The Germans only had a very few Me262s, the Brits had hundreds of Meteors. Germany never stood a chance.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

Then why was the Gloster _"Meatbox"_ unable to shoot down a single Luftwaffe plane? Why did over 1,000 "Meteorites" CRASH? Killing 450 british pilots alone????

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

That urban myth won't fly here lad, the Jumo 004b _Orkan_ engines met or exceeded the RLMs 100 hour PFTR reliability test required for adoption into service by the Luftwaffe. This is the exact same PFTR standard for the RAF and USAAF during WW2. Testing conducted by the Americans during Operation Lusty conclusively proved the Me-262s engines averaged TBOs between 50 and 60 hours... excellent by Allied standards during WW2.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

Meatbox flying with original engines??? Certainly not possible. The Derwent 5 engine was not available until after the war ended... There are no Welland or Derwent 1 engines in airworthy condition.

[@jimdavison4077]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 if you think the Jumo 004b engine flew for more than a few hours I have some prime beach from property to sell you. Comes with a brook that runs most of the year. Germany had no sucessful Jet engine at all. The US had to use no less than 8 engines to get less tha six hours of test flight on its 262 testing. Twice with emergency landing with engine failures. No the Jumo engine never passed any safety tests post war which is why they were banned when Howard Huges tried to fly one. You can not make a jet engine out of mild steel. Impossible as the heat distorts the metal.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@jimdavison4077 Sorry jimmy! The U.S. Army Operation Lusty reports say you are a liar! Army testing conducted by Lusty *CONFIRMS* that the Jumo 004b Orkan engines met or exceeded Allied standards for reliability and had very comparable TBOs. Of course the MesserschmittMe-262's had a huge operational advantage in engine servicing as a well trained ground crew could replace a Jumo 004b engine in under an hour... a task that could take days on some Allied aircraft.

[@thanosthethiccfarmer1850]

Actually, the US put P80s in Italy very late in the war. If I'm right they were supposed to hunt Ar 234s if they got into that region, and also to boost morale.

[@tplyons5459]

2 went to Englans where one crashed and three to Italy.

[@davidewhite69]

actually YF80s, prototypes. 1 crashed in England, and the three in Italy never managed to successfully intercept the AR234s

[@LV_CRAZY]

@@davidewhite69 I believe the P-80s where used for photo recon work , as where the AR234s. Jet engines where just awful back then.

[@ma9x795]

I believe Meteor F8 VZ467 nicknamed 'Winston', formerly of No1 TWU, RAF Brawdy is still in an airworthy condition in Australia.

[@johnwkindig1613]

I believe it was 2 to england that were never used, and 2 to italy, that were yp-80's that were sent on several sorties, but never came across any "action" as they say.

[@ericfaragh]

I was at the airfield where one of these took off for the Southport air show about 8 years ago. When it went overhead, I felt my internal organs vibrate inside my chest.

[@TurboJenkins]

I came early. And this time no one is complaining about it

[@DataWaveTaGo]

You girlfriend should be furious... ;)

[@TurboJenkins]

Nonya Business Sad but true

[@jimbeckwith5949]

You can get a prescription for that....

[@runawaycatwithbreadaroundm2512]

I was going to make a sex joke but there are four already. LOL.

[@howardchambers9679]

Too early?

[@guybyars8181]

6:22 - The design of the Meteor was more attractive than that of the Me-262. Seriously? The 262 is the coolest looking plane ever made.

[@kaan5459]

@John Smith bruh that plane is useless

[@kaan5459]

@@kng_drripmd5579 ?

[@grandmasteryoda5983]

@@kng_drripmd5579 mach 5

[@stephensmith799]

Naaah! Catalina!

[@steveperreira5850]

Dear Guy: we already know that the deficiency of vitamin C affects judgment. It’s a wonder anything gets done in great Britain when you pile on inbreeding.

[@Felto123]

Israel had a couple of dozen including night fighters and against Egypt's Meteors

[@DataWaveTaGo]

re: and against Egypt's Meteors Meteor VS Meteor, result?

[@killajakez]

Night fighter meteors?

[@promerops]

@@killajakez Oh, yes! The Meteor NF14. When my uncle was stationed at RAF Laarbruch, they had one for meteorological observations.

[@killajakez]

@@promerops I learn something new every day. Thank you.

[@pills-]

I'm trying to remember, but weren't most of Israel's fighters at the time bought "second-hand" or even privately owned?

[@Original50]

Meteor and ME262 are two of the most aesthetically beautiful aircraft ever made...

[@randomuser5443]

I agree, but hear me out, F-15X

[@doubledekercouch]

Random User F-14

[@phantomaviator1318]

@@doubledekercouch F-86

[@Joe-rp8xn]

Honestly it's worse than the burning of the library of Alexandria that these jets didn't fight it out.

[@CaptHollister]

@@Joe-rp8xn Not really.

[@trailingarm63]

NIce film, certainly broadened my knowledge of the Allies' airfleet.

[@keithbrown2458]

Once again thank you I love your stuff

[@kevinwilson8039]

Aren’t the Martin baker meteors still flying?

[@paulkirkland3263]

I believe they are. They certainly feature on Marin Baker's website.

[@Petriefied0246]

Yes, they are.

[@jimbeckwith5949]

Ejection seat testbeds, if i recall correctly.

[@snarkymatt585]

The RAAF heritage flight has a flying F8 Meteor based at the Temora Air Museum in Victoria. The researchers for this documentary clearly aren't that good.

[@comikdebris]

@@snarkymatt585 lack of research is quite typical for Dark's videos

[@diogenesegarden5152]

I happened to be working at Boscombe Down when the last official flight of the Meteor was made. Witnessing a little bit of history.

[@richardmale3191]

Aircraft model in the RAF ops room scene is a Canberra, not a Meteor.

[@frostyfrost4094]

Vampire and Washington??

[@baronvonbeedy7987]

Meteor was found to have excellent ground attack visibility with the cockpit situation. You will notice it influenced the A10.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

Indeed, Gloster Meatbox pilots had an excellent view as they attacked the ground, unfortunately the ground always won against the Meatbox crashing into it. Over 1,000 crashed killing 450 British pilots. What makes the A10 great is it's absolutely nothing like the Meatbox.

[@barrierodliffe4155]

Sandbum dorktorbummer. Such a shame that the Meteor was far more successful than the Me 262. The Me 262 was a fighter that couldn't fight. it had poor jet engines that were dropped since no other country wanted them. USA, USSR and other countries jet engines were all based on British designs. Only France had success after they took the German jet engine but they had to completely change the design.

[@fritzfieldwrangle-clouder7299]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 Poor old Sandyboy, his little heart is broken because all the people are saying nice things about the Gloster Meteor. Ahhh, his little temper tantrum is rising and he can't stop himself talking bollocks.

[@jacktattis]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 Lies lies lies lies lies lies lies from an ignoramus

[@acajutla]

A few were used as target a/c in Sweden in the 60's, saw them countless times and still remember the whistling sound.

[@Music-lx1tf]

Now that is a bit of a brand new information for me about World War II I thought I was a good historian but thank you for informing me how about this

[@clevelandaeromotive]

Excellent short doc on this plane. Thank you!

[@lionemessi]

Ive seen that. Raf museum well worth the trip

[@uzifeinstein2687]

You forgot to mention the service of the Meteor in the Israeli AF, which was very successful. These were employed in the Suez Crisis and managed to shoot down an Egyptian Il-14 transporting the Egyptian Army General Staff. Before the Suez Crisis an all jet dogfight was won by the Meteor when it shot down an Egyptian Vampire. All Meteors were withdrawn from service by 1962, after only 8 years of service due to their obsolescence compared to the MiG 15s of Arab Air Forces.

[@iffipifi1]

F104: I am the widowmaker Meteor:: Hold my underpowered Engines and lack of Ejection Seat

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

450 pilots lost is insane even then.

[@kevinshort3943]

And the irony is, that it's still in use for testing ejection seats.

[@jaclestrat]

@@WALTERBROADDUS That is incorrect.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

@@jaclestrat What is incorrect?

[@gibraltersteamboatco888]

@@WALTERBROADDUS from WW2 till the Raf retired them in the 1980s

[@Elizabeth-0]

Alright what is with this channel and lazy writing? The Meteor wasn’t made to fight the Me-262. The engine development started in 1936 and aircraft design in 1940 well before the Me-262. Why is it so hard to fact check? The information isn’t hard to come by with a few minutes searching. You shouldn’t call this a documentary channel if you aren’t going to bother to be accurate.

[@1993Crag]

@Lassi Kinnunen How? Whittles engine was running earlier then the German jet engine...

[@SvenTviking]

Lassi Kinnunen Except that German developments were separate, secret and based on Frank Whittle’s patents.

[@danieljohnson4994]

@@SvenTviking exactly

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@1993Crag Frank Whittle was 2 or more years behind development of jets in Germany.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@SvenTviking Apparently you have never seen either engine.. they were clearly developed independently.

[@Netanya-q4b]

One minor correction - the Supermarine Attacker was introduced in 1946 and was a tail dragger, after that all jets would be tricycle gear :)

[@barrierodliffe4155]

The Me 262 when it started was a tail dragger too, the Meteor from the start had a nose wheel.

[@robertmiller2173]

The Meteor was 60 MPH slower than a a Me 262. Hanz von Ohain was the inventor of the Jet Aircraft as the He 178 which first flew before Germany invaded Poland by flying in August 1939. Whittles jet didn't fly until nearly 2 years later. The Meteor focused on taking down V1's. The Meteor went on to fly for years after the war and saw service in the Korean War.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

When the Gloster Meatbox was introduced into service in 1944 it was 150 mph slower than Messerschmitt Me-262. The Meteor was only briefly deployed against V1s but was quickly withdrawn... the poor performance prevented it from ever being used effectively as a fighter or interceptor, the RAF limited its used to ground attack, training and reconnaissance roles..

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

RAF pilots called it the _"Meatbox"_ pr "flying coffin" due to its well earned reputation for killing pilots. Over 1,000 Meatboxes crashed ( most in peacetime operations) killing 450 pilots in RAF service alone.

[@robertmiller2173]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 Thanks so much for that information, no doubt the RAF covered that up as they wanted to be the first Allied jet Fighter.

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

What would they need to cover up? It was the first allied jet fighter because it was the first allied jet fighter. It served with more than a dozen air forces and for more than thirty years. Martin Baker still use Gloster Meteors for there testing.

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

You've confused an engine with an aircraft. The 'He' in He 178 stands fo Heinkel, not Ohain.

[@d4n1elcer0n9]

Pretty futuristic bird for that time tbh

[@trollek7823]

The design is far from futuristic tho still resembles an twin piston airframe and still looks like something from ww2 on the other side Germans did made something ahead in terms of design like the me163 or the ho229 or the less known me p.1101 and many more.

[@riffler24]

@@trollek7823 The me-163 was so advanced it was more dangerous to its own pilots and ground crews than it was to Allied bombers. The ho-229 was so advanced that only one glider and one functional prototype and they had a huge problem of de-laminating because they were made of wood and shoddy glue, and its designer refused to make a better design because he was obsessed with the idea of the flying wing. German technological advantage is a myth

[@CaptHollister]

I can't agree with that. Other than the engines, it was a thoroughly ordinary plane.

[@trollek7823]

@@riffler24 it's not about their performance tho I'm very well documented about most of ww2 since I study it ... I was pointing out the physical design . As for technology. . The Germans just had a different approach to things and spent way to much resources on useless things that may be considered more advanced in terms of technological innovation. Learn to read properly.

[@johnburns4017]

@Cody Sonnet Tell us what was copied from German jets? Now think hard.

[@RebMordechaiReviews]

Israel also flew Gloster Meteors, many of them are still on display at the IAF Museum in Hatzerim, Israel.

[@lightbox617]

The last time I flew to Europe (while they still let me in) I was on and old 567. We flew at about 560 MPH at 34,000 ft.

[@SaviorCross]

Wait, all this time I read that the ME-262 was the only fighter in WW2, I didn't know of the Meteor until now. Will support you on Patreon.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

The Meteor, uneffectionately called the "Meatbox" or the "flying coffin" by RAF pilots was a major disappointment and never saw aerial combat during WW2... in fact it was a "fighter" in name only and was used primarily in training, ground attack and recon roles.

[@jimdavison4077]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 13 kills in intercepting V1 rockets. Also why was it the Luftwaffe cut and run from.the Meteor?

[@AtheAetheling]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 none of what you have stated bears any resemblance to reality. You even made up those nicknames.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@AtheAetheling You should read RAF pilot Nick Carter's excellent book "Meteor _EJECT!"_ its a chilling account of how he luckily surrived his duty with the Meatbox while many of his friends were killed by the worst jet fighter ever used in RAF service.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@jimdavison4077 The Gloster Meatbox mever shot down a single Luftwaffe plane yet ir managed to kill 450 british pilots... it remains the worst jet fighter in history.

[@Guvna947]

Australia had the meteor too, you didn't mention, they served in Korea.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

Its performance in Korea is not worth mentioning.

[@inkjoestar5683]

Yay! My favorite British fighter is on your video!

[@understatedwalrus]

Amazing doc, thank you for making it, but please narrate a little more slowly.

[@FridolinOberbörsch]

The Gloster was inefficient because of the jet engines developed by Frank Whistle his engines failed. the first modern engine was the BMW 003

[@TBreezy17]

Always love when a few are saved and not lost to history.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

Over 1,000 Gloster Meatboxes CRASHED that represents 1 out of every 4 Comets built..

[@barrierodliffe4155]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 Sandbum with the lies again. Too bad you have made such a fool of yourself. Just as you did as dorktorbummer. More P 80's crashed than Meteors

[@fritzfieldwrangle-clouder7299]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 Ah, poor Sandyboy did the nasty MrTDB123 say something nice towards the Meteor. Ooh, I can see your little wehraboo face getting all angry.

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 So a better rate than the Me 262 Sandyboy. But then that was a losers aircraft.

[@barrierodliffe4155]

@@fritzwrangle-clouder6033 Sandybum has a new name for the lies, Wilhem Karsten

[@choppergirl]

The Żurakowski Cartwheel: "At the 1951 at Farnborough Airshow, Żurakowski demonstrated a new aerobatics manoeuvre, the "Zurabatic Cartwheel", in which he suspended the Gloster Meteor G-7-1 prototype he was flying in a vertical cartwheel. "This jet manoeuvre was the first new aerobatic in 20 years."[6] The cartwheel used the dangerously asymmetric behaviour the Meteor had with one engine throttled back. It started with a vertical climb to 4,000 feet, by which point the aircraft had slowed to only 80 mph. Cutting the power of one engine caused the Meteor to pivot. When the nose was pointing downwards, the second engine was throttled back. The aircraft continued to rotate through a further 360 degrees on momentum alone, having lost nearly all vertical velocity. Carrying out the cartwheel and recovering from it without entering an inverted spin (which the Meteor could not be brought out of) required great skill.[7]" From: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janusz_%C5%BBurakowski choppergirl.air-war.org

[@jamesausten8952]

I can remember seeing a Meteor for the first time as a kid of eight streaking across the sky over the Yorkshire coast. I was completely awe struck

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

Over 1,000 _"Meatboxes"_ crashed killing 450 RAF pilots alone... without any doubt the worst jet fighter in history.

[@fritzfieldwrangle-clouder7299]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 No, that would be the Me 262 which killed so many of its own pilots. The Me 262 had a mechanical failure/pilot error loss rate of 33% compared to only 22% for the Meteor. For the Germans of course the Starfighter was next worst with 32% because they were putting undertrained pilots in it. Also, when the Czechs carried on building 262s after the war as an attempt at export markets, they found that they couldn't even give them away because nobody wanted them. Not even the Argentinians who were awash with nazis and nazi money would have them having been advised by Adolf Galland to buy the Meteor instead.

[@barrierodliffe4155]

@@fritzfieldwrangle-clouder7299 Canada had a loss rate of 46 %, Italy 38%, USA also had bad losses of the Starfighter.

[@jimbeckwith5949]

When the Gloster Whittle "E" prototype first flew, somebody from the Air Ministery said, 'It just sucks itself along, like a hoover'. I read that in a book years ago, but can't find the quote anywhere online.

[@sjTHEfirst]

You did it again with the squadron number it’s not 613, it’s 6 - 1 - 3 Squadron.

[@johnp8131]

I know what you mean, it's just the US terminology? We used to call 216 Sqn, 21-6 to annoy them when they first re-formed at Honnington with Buccaneers.

[@jamestalbot4900]

Glad it’s not just me that picked up on that.

[@sjTHEfirst]

Not a “yanks” thing. If you love history you know these things.

[@59martinb]

It's not just you. He's a terrible narrator, poor pronunciation and diction and slurs most of the time.

[@benesm1]

The Meteor certainly wasn't the first British jet powered aircraft. Ever heard of the Gloster E.28/39?

[@leneanderthalien]

yes, known but was only a test aircraft, like the german Heinkel he 178

[@1chish]

@@leneanderthalien It was actually a prototype jet fighter not just a test aircraft. But the engine development at the time required two engines for a viable aircraft.

[@Bigsky1991]

Meteor Engineers: "it won't get off the Ground" RAF purchasing Officer: jolly good! We'll take 100 !!!

[@barrierodliffe4155]

Too bad that not only did the Meteor get off the ground, it served for decades and two are still doing excellent service. Not too bad for the first jet fighter to enter operational service in July 1944.

[@johntaylor-lo8qx]

I love this channel !!! The actual footage, narration... Bar none these series and sister series narrated by, "chills", are the best anywhere I've ever seen. Bravo my good people who do these video's, Bravo 👏

[@stevesloan7132]

Truly a beautiful aircraft.

[@Brookspirit]

The Gloster E.28/39 was the first British jet powered aircraft.

[@cluckingbells]

The de Havilland Vampire just missed the war and that looked better than both the Meteor and ME 262

[@richardadams4928]

The Vampire is nice. I would vigorously contend that the streamlined and graceful 262 is a MUCH better looking plane than the Meteor.

[@MrDaiseymay]

@@richardadams4928 You make it sound like a 'Beauty Contest', they were intended for KILLING--not giving erections.

[@hachipanki8634]

In the airport of my hometown there is a Meteor F.MK4 On a pillar, in the entrance. Since i was a little kid, i used to visit the aircraft and play a bit with the landing gear, the wheels are free. The last time i saw her was in 2018-2019, on a trip to visit my grandfather. It stills there, with it's warpaint. It's designated C-099

[@spacecadet35]

Technically the Gloster Meteor was the World's first operational jet fighter, by about a week. The Me 262 was the first jet fighter to see combat, but it was not officially operational at that time.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

The first operational jet fighter was the Messerschmitt Me-262.

[@spacecadet35]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 The Meteor beat the Me262 into operational service by about two weeks. The Me262 is definitely the first jet to see combat, but not the first 'operational' jet.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@spacecadet35 No, that is incorrect. The Messerschmitt Me-262 entered service in April 19th, 1944 and shot down its first Allied aircraft, a RAF Mosquito on July 26th. The Gloster Meatbox did not enter service until July 27th.

[@spacecadet35]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 - The Me 262 did indeed enter service and see combat in April 1944, as a TRIALS aircraft. It became OPERATIONAL in August 1944. However the Meteor was declared OPERATIONAL on the 12th of July 1944. So as I said above. The Me 262 was the first jet to see combat. The Meteor was the first operational jet fighter.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@spacecadet35 You seem very confused and misinformed regarding this, the Messerschmitt Me-262 entered operational service with the _Luftwaffe_ on April 19th.. 3 months before the Gloster Meteor. The Meteor never saw combat operations during WW2.

[@jameshudson169]

6:23 sorry, but the me262 looks better to me.

[@omerashraf9357]

I want to point out some mistakes in the Dark Docs episode The Soviet Red Star MiGs That Weren't Supposed to Exist in the Korean War. First of the North Korean Air Force used the IL 10 Strike aircraft which was developed from the famous WW2 IL 2 Sturmovik. Secondly i don't think the IL 28 was used during the war as I cannot find about its combat record in Korea. Rather the WW2 era Tupolev Tu-2 was used in the conflict

[@kylecooper517]

why did you choose this video to point this out? wouldn't it make more sense to post this in the video you mentioned?

[@omerashraf9357]

@@kylecooper517 cause it would be buried under a million other comments !!!!!!!

[@Elizabeth-0]

I don’t think the channel creator cares. There’s a lot of errors in many of the videos posted that are easy to fix with a few minutes research.

[@omerashraf9357]

@@Elizabeth-0 never loose hope !!!!

[@gabrielharsch1744]

i´m Argentinean.-and , when I was an student, in my Industrial school , we had a Gloster Meteor. 2 or 3 times a year, we started both engines.- that was amazing for us..the famous Gloster is still in the garage. in 1955, some Meteors bombed "Plaza de Mayo" and the Governement Palace, trying to kill the president, Juan Peron-

[@DataWaveTaGo]

At 5:12 Meteor world speed record - 606 MPH 1946 Sorry Me 262 V12 - 624 MPH July 6, 1944 page 625 "Warplanes of the Third Reich" by William Green SBN 356 02382 6

[@steveperreira5850]

I knew that was an error and there were a lot of other errors and incomplete information in this documentary. At the end, the narrator says that the meteor served with great success in many other Air Force is post war. There is nothing to suggest any success whatsoever hence forth. It is an empty statement to say something is successful and not too supported with evidence. This was not a very good documentary

[@Sugar_K]

the meteor didn't reach the 262s level of performance until at least 1946.. had they met in WW2 it would have been a disaster for the British

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

Speed records are made under the FAI to be offical.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

@@steveperreira5850 Speed Records are only offical if made to FAI standards.

[@DataWaveTaGo]

@@WALTERBROADDUS Yes, we all know that, but the 1946 Meteor was not a particularly impressive aircraft.

[@UNSC-Saratoga]

Dark5 seems to have forgotten all about the P-80 Shooting Star.

[@stephengardiner9867]

He does have his "...duh..." moments. The P-80 WAS in Italy but did not have the opportunity to engage any German aircraft (much less the Me 262). Too bad as I would judge the P-80 as the superior fighter. The Me262 was not a "dog-fighter" but a bomber interceptor... and would have been a damned good one if allowed to be so. The P-80 was a fighter with much a more reliable engine and better maneuverability. Its armament was a bit wimpy compared to the quad 30mm guns of the 262 but the 30mm guns were meant to do maximum damage to a bomber in the shortest length of time. That was not a dog-fight but an interception. A fighter of the late war period would not have found it too difficult to stay out of the way of those guns and the guns of the P-80 were more than capable of ruining the Me 262 pilot's day.

[@PenzancePete]

@@stephengardiner9867 Don't forget that the P-80 had British engines as U.S. jet engine technology had still not caught up. Funny story. The guy delivering the first engine to Lockheed was initially stopped because he hadn't been security cleared.

[@RangaTurk]

That is a good looking plane.

[@humblebundle4569]

I know for a fact we have an air worthy meteor here in Australia I've seen it at the Aus international airshow multiple times and it and a vampire have flown over my house before

[@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou]

fake news.... Everybody knows vampires only reside in Romania!

[@juliangriffiths7298]

I'm sure I saw the Martin-baker Meteor over Oxford earlier this year. We used to see it fairly regularly and it's easily recognisable. If I'm right there was at least one airworthy Meteor still around in 2020.

[@barrierodliffe4155]

Martinn Baker keep two in flying conditiom amd many spare parts to keep them flying for a very long time, they are very reliable.

[@dat581]

No mention of the RAAF using the Meteor in Korea? Oh well, bad luck to 77 Squadron!

[@camrsr5463]

5:15 Most English man winner 1946.

[@sunnyjim1355]

They don't make 'em like that anymore, sadly.

[@truetoffeeefc4life970]

If it wasn't for the Tizzard mission which was basically a transference of tech from the UK to the US America would have lagged far behind in for example radar and jet technology and a hell of a lot more!

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

The Tizard Mission was a failure, no U.S. companies were interested in buying Brit technology... the Americans were unimpressed.

[@truetoffeeefc4life970]

Centremetric radar, close proximity fuses for 2

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@truetoffeeefc4life970 The Tizard Mission was a failure, it never secured any cash contracts or payments for licensing agreements. John Maynard Keynes was given the humiliating task of going back to America a beg for a loan to prevent britian from going completely bankrupt. The U.S. government eventually approved the Ango-American Loan Agreement worth 60 Billion dollars. The U.K. finally paid back the loan in 2007 after defaulting 5 times.

[@johnburns4017]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 Not this idiot again.

[@truetoffeeefc4life970]

@@johnburns4017 thanks, apparently the USA never had any use for anything the UK brought to the table during that mission 🤔,I mean come on, give me a break,he can't say that America was so far in advance in every detail that they never used one of the many ideas or designs to even start manufacturing? For example the radar used at Pearl harbor was British, whether it was constructed in the US or the UK I'm unsure, however the very fact that the first inkling that an airborne attack was picked up by it shows that they did benefit hugely from the transfer of British tech to the extent that it was used by the US military themselves.

[@subdawg1331]

simply an awesome video thank you

[@bigyin2586]

I think its combat service (as the Mk8) with the RAAF during the Korean War might have rated a mention.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

What about it is worth mentioning?

[@doughart2720]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 on a video on the Meteor, absolutely! The only non -US jet fighter on the UN side in the Korean War.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@doughart2720 But the Meatbox wasn't a fighter in the Korean War.

[@doughart2720]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 Splitting hairs a bit here. Initially they tried to use them as a fighter but it was not successful in that role, so later it was used for ground attack. It was flown by 77 squadron RAAF and I used to know one of the pilots , a fellow named Keith Meggs. Good luck telling those guys they weren't fighter pilots., particularly a fellow named George Hale who shot down a MiG in a Meteor. The Australian Government purchased it as a fighter. Obviously it wasn't successful in that role in Korea, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a fighter; it just wasn't a capable fighter by then. Anyway, without getting into semantics, my original point was that the use of the Meteor in Korea was worth a mention in a video about the Meteor,. Cheers

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@doughart2720 The ol' Meatbox was never a viable fighter aircraft and was never used effectively in that role. 77 Squadron was slaughtered at Sunchon by vastly superior MiG-15s. The Meatbox was used primarily as a ground attack aircraft during the Korean War and actively avoided contact with enemy fighter aircraft.

[@TRUTHISABSOLUTE777]

"The design of the mereor was more attractive than the me262"....said pretty much nobody.

[@johnburns4017]

the 262 was ugly.

[@JohnChvatalGSTV]

FYI: Planes Of Fame has an airworthy Gloster Meteor T.7.

[@Conorsev]

Temora aviation meusium here in Australia has one as well. Seen it fly afew times

[@hughgolo8660]

In Chino? Went to that museum ages ago, one of the best I’ve been to.

[@JohnChvatalGSTV]

Hugh golo yes!

[@jimbeckwith5949]

The Meteor and Vampire were Airshow staples in the 80s. Now it's just the Vampire. Shame, my favourite aircraft!

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

The Gloster _"Meatbox"_ has a well earned reputation for crashing and killing pilots... it's asymmetric behavior is simply lethal.

[@barrierodliffe4155]

Sandbum dorktorbummer. The Meteor had a long successful career.

[@shtick7800]

You should definitely do a video on the Lockheed Martin CL-1201, now that thing was insane

[@DataWaveTaGo]

re "insane" Ya got that right!

[@zeitgeist909]

4:00 - 16ft x 3ft rockets? eh? That would be an awkward looking rocket! - I think you mean 16 x 3inch rockets!! - the Meteor could alternatively carry 8 x 5inch rockets also.

[@Tom-cf3jx]

Haha yeah thought I was the only one who noticed that

[@badmutherfunster]

To be fair the image that was conjured up by that statement was AWSOME👍

[@Tom-cf3jx]

Bad mutherfunster would be ballistic missiles haha

[@badmutherfunster]

@@Tom-cf3jx imagine scud size missiles under the wings, a sight to behold 😂

[@Tom-cf3jx]

Bad mutherfunster haha would be madness 😂

[@romanbellic2245]

The 262 didn't carry more weapons it carried 4 cannons exactly the same as the Meteor

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

The Messerschmitt Me-262 was fitted with 4x *30mm* cannons that fired 85 gram high explosive shells... it was the most powerful standard gun package of any fighter aircraft in WW2

[@jimdavison4077]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 with a short ranges almost 1/4 Those of the most common allied weapon the 50 caliber Browning. The Mk 108 was a dismal failure.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@jimdavison4077 That's funny because the 3 foremost experts on WW2 aircraft armament all agree that the MK 108 used on the Messerschmitt Me-262 was the most effective standard armament package of any fighter in combat during the war.

[@barrierodliffe4155]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 Another of your lies little doktor bummer, the German 30 mm cannon had low muzzle velocity and were not very effective, probably just one of the reasons that the Me 262 couldn't take on RAF fighters which had the excellent Hispano 20 mm cannon.

[@fritzfieldwrangle-clouder7299]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 You and your two mates only qualify as foremost numpties.

[@Beautifultruthofficial]

You have film footage of my grandfather's meteor squadron in this. 85 squadron. Squadron leader M.A. Liskutin EFF AFC

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

Was he one of the hundreds of RAF pilots killed by a Gloster _"Meatbox"_ ?

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

Is it 85 squadron that averaged one Meatbox crash per week?

[@fritzfieldwrangle-clouder7299]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 Oh Sandyboy you poor thing, did James Liskutin's comment make your little wehraboo temper boil.

[@jeffgaulden5879]

Last flightworthy meteor? What did I seen then at Oshkosh last year?

[@aviatorflighttraining]

That’s the one that just got delivered (by flight) to Planes Of Fame in Chino, California. It will remain flying as well!

[@DavidBromage]

There are 5 still airworthy, including the 2 with Martin-Baker.

[@-EXTROVERTED-]

Is it me or does this jet look like the A-10 warthogs grandpa?

[@morganb6717]

you mean the A-10 _Thunderbolt_ II - the name Gloster originally wanted to use?

[@-EXTROVERTED-]

@@morganb6717 yes but like u didnt have to do me like that😂

[@morganb6717]

@@-EXTROVERTED- just pointing out a tenuous connection between the two, but take it personally. sure.

[@gort8203]

I think it's just you. You asked.

[@zingwilder9989]

Well, it was a different animal with a different mission.

[@SomeNavySEALs]

We just not gonna mention mixing up 16"x3" and 16'x3'?

[@Scottuz]

As far as I know, Martin Baker still fly their Gloster Meteor, for all their ejection seat trails? and it was the only flying operational Meteor, left?

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

The _"Meatbox"_ cannot fly supersonic and they weren't worth much at the time so they are perfect for testing ejection seats because they only work safely below the speed of sound.

[@fritzfieldwrangle-clouder7299]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 Oh Sandyboy, it must break your little wehraboo heart to see so many people cheerfully talking about the Meteor. I bet it really hurts you that the Gloster Meteor had was such a successful aircraft serving with more that a dozen nations and for more than 30 years, especially when the 262 served with only two nations and was a dead duck after seven short years.

[@lolshark99b49]

I wish there was a 0.85% speed option... 1x is too fast and .75 is too slow

[@ricardobimblesticks1489]

Go to playback speed, click custom, et voila 0.85% speed :D enjoy

[@lolshark99b49]

@@ricardobimblesticks1489 omg thanks so much

[@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou]

@@ricardobimblesticks1489 :D

[@FlatDrifting265]

I thought the P-80 served for a little bit of time during the end of ww2 in Italy

[@PassportToPimlico]

They were there to go after the Arado jets but never met in combat. Likewise, Meteors were sent over to continental Europe to take on the Me262 but the war finished shortly after.

[@burtknighten1873]

No it never saw combat in ww2. Came close though. Actually p-59 was first US jet

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

@@PassportToPimlico The Gloster Meatbox was never deployed as a fighter during WW2... it was primarily used as a ground attack, reconnaissance and training aircraft. by the RAF.

[@barrierodliffe4155]

Sandbum dorktorbummer. The Meteor was there to fight but the Luftwaffe had enough by then against Spitfires and only ran away from the RAF.

[@mugofbrown6234]

Mr? It's Sir Frank Whittle. The Royal Australian Air Force flew them in Korea.

[@MegaBoilermaker]

@Soilent Green He also had an RAF rank.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

Sir? Was that before or after Frankie was exiled from the U.K. when the Miles M.52 scandal broke and secretly sent to a drug rehab facility in the U.S.????

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 More fantasy bollocks from you Sandyboy I see. Of course you won't produce any evidence to support your sad little wheraboo outburst.

[@peterburgess5974]

N.B. 'Vikings at Waterloo' - an interesting short read on the jet engine development in Clitheroe, Lancashire (apologies, I cannot recall the author). Here, Sir Frank Whittle signed contracts in the Swan and Royal pub in the main street - a neat place to stop and pass the time if you're ever in town. Nearby production of the engines at Barnoldswick, also led to the 'B' designation to some of the World's most iconic jet engines e.g. RB-211 (i.e. Rolls-Royce Barnoldswick). (My great Uncle, Sydney James worked there. He was a pipe smoking, flat-cap wearing working-class man who played bowls and wore a pocket watch and chain. I remember him fondly and his appearance never expressed his day-to-day work on jjet engines. It fascinated me as a child and taught me of the need to avoid stereotypes.) By the way, I know, there are some issues with these productions but give these guys a break. Thanks a lot for those who legitimately point out errors and in any case, we get the chance to see and read about what I guess we all feel is worthy subject content. At least we live in societies where we can counter information and discuss errors. Better to have made an interesting video, than to have made no video at all. (even with some glitches). Thanks. Ad altiora!

[@PaulRudd1941]

Just imagine if Britain got the jump on Germany and had Meteors during the Battle of Britain... Turkey shoot?

[@Dodiwho1]

Total bs English could never tell the truth, and as colonist I can't wait to leave this den of self-denial and ungrateful right wing liers.ps their banks are notorious gold theives.

[@ADB-zf5zr]

Please be fast leaving, and good riddence.!

[@FallenPhoenix86]

@@Dodiwho1 please return to your home planet kid.

[@ADB-zf5zr]

Or even if the Mosquito had been built earlier and faster, and adopted earlier and faster as a fighter, although not early enough for the Battle Of Britain, it would have been an ideal long range bomber escort.! . Although as a reconnaissance plane the Mosquito was far more important as nothing could do the job as well... and reconnaissance at the time was incredibly important.

[@paoloborghi2024]

A sudden defeat of Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain would have only caused a faster diversion of Axis forces, efforts and strategic ideas on other fronts: Malta, Africa and of course Urss that could have fallen (losing Moscow) by the end of September 1941.

[@samueljohnclark]

The first British jet aircraft to fly was the Gloster E. 28/39, not the Meteor.

[@Jin-Ro]

He literally said that. 1:53

[@lnawesome]

why does this guy talk like he's trying to get this done so he can go to the bathroom?

[@61Slughi]

He's got interesting topics, but the vocal delivery makes me think twice about watching it.

[@alanp9081]

He always does..

[@michaelbowes9894]

I thought he was reporting from behind enemy lines.

[@thegodfather_8455]

It's not that bad

[@PauloPereira-jj4jv]

@@thegodfather_8455 no, it's worse.

[@mothmagic1]

One of the reasons the Metwor gained a reputation as a killer was the single engine thrust line being so far off the centre line of the fuselage. It caused massive yaw with the associated induced roll which if not countered fast enough became a flat spin.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

Yes, a fatal flaw that goes back to the aircraft design being hastily converted from twin propeller nightfighter design. The lack of rudder authority combined with terrible asymetric flight characteristics made the "Meat box" a real pilot killer.. an engine failure on take-off was considered unrecoverable.

[@petemaly8950]

​@@sandervanderkammen9230 We believe we can clear up some common misconceptions & myths. It's always very important to note the relevant facts obviously. *_Muncherz Krappenz DiktorBummer KARZEESTAN Jurkzxoffenzstadt & co - they should all note with much awe and great wonder._* The ME-262 was limited to running away from allied piston engine fighters & risking engine destruction while doing so & it took 3 downed 262s for each downed allied bomber over Germany where German air inferiority was fairly ubiquitous so there was large swarms of allied bombers available to have a go at. After 1941 it was clear The Gloster Meteor wasn't required as such & was limited to operation over the UK & occupied allied territories to keep examples out of the wrong hands. _Yes it is of course correct that the world's first jet powered aircraft to exceed 1000 mph was indeed a British aircraft._ *_Contrary to their copious & ubiquitous posts regarding accident losses of various UK aircraft._* *As they mentioned previously, the Sea Vixen & Gloster Meteor were indeed very competent & beautiful aircraft.* _In fact the Meteor was the world's first aircraft to exceed 0.85 on the combined 2 year looks & capability scale for jet fighter aircraft._ Indeed A rather superb Gloster Meteor was the world's first Turboprop aircraft in 1945. In 1945 & 1946 trail blazing Gloster Meteors set world speed records. Yes, of course it is correct that British military aircraft at the time did not have unusually high accident losses rates. *For example* De Havilland Vampire & Sea Vixen & Gloster Meteor accident losses were not high or unusual for fighter aircraft at the time. Non combat phase accident losses % of Aircraft built. The Canadair CL-44 was a turboprop airliner. *_Canadair CL-44 (ff 1959 ) 48%_* *Lockheed XF104 (ff 1954) 100%* *Lockheed P80 (ff 1944) 43%* *Lockheed F104 (ff 1954) 45%* *McDonnell FH Phantom (ff 1945) 35%* *_Gloster Meteor (ff 1943) 21%_* *_DH Vampire (ff 1943) 23%_* *_DH Sea Vixen (ff 1951) 33%_* *_Gloster Javelin (ff 1951) 20%_* Gloster Meteor. 3950 Built. In service 1944. 70% didn't have ejector seats. 839 accident losses. 436 accident loss fatalities. 21% accident losses. 11% accident loss Fatalities. Lockheed F104. 2578 Built. In service 1958, 14 years after the Meteor. All had ejector seats. 1100 accident losses. 425 accident loss fatalities. 43% accident losses. 17% accident loss Fatalities. We hope this helps. Cheers 👍 & 😎 & of course 🙂 indeed. _Toodle_ *PIP* -Old- *_Chap_* .. . .. . ... .... . .... . .... ...... xcvvvvvvvviix cvvvvvrcxccc