GMG REVIEWS - STARGRAVE by Osprey Games

It's been five years people have been asking '...is this next game Frostgrave in Space?". In April that request will finally come to pass as Joe McCullough launches his much anticipated stand-alone follow up to Frostgrave and Frostgrave: Ghost Archipelago - STARGRAVE.
The Last War has decimated the universe. Only small independent crews can slip unnoticed around the pirate armies that dominate the stars and make re-unification impossible. Collect up your models and head to the stars for another series of Adventures based on the award-winning Frostgrave.
GMG Let's Talk on SPOTIFY: open.spotify.com/show/5FtAVzq...
GMG Let's Talk on SOUNDCLOUD: / guerrilla-miniature-games
RSS Feed for any App you want to listen on: / sounds.rss
GMG Measuring Gauges and Tokens available HERE: deathraydesigns.com/product-ca...
GMG T-Shirts and Hoodies HERE: shop.spreadshirt.ca/guerrilla...
GMG is publicly supported. Become a backer on Patreon to ensure new content and that the CoOp can continue: / guerrillaminiaturegames
Want to challenge Ash to a game? Email him at [e-mail] or message him through his Facebook Page!
Follow Ash on Facebook: / outofthebasementintoth...
All Jingles and Music by Kevin McLeod: incompetech.com

[@cheetor_sho3box]

The self-perpetuating social media pre-backlash over this yet-to-be-released book is tedious. I hope/expect that it is just the usual blowhards mouthing off and that it won't have a real effect on sales and actual players. Thanks for the review Ash, Ican't wait to get my hands on this one!

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

This book is literally designed for your Rogue Trader collection. In my jealous peak I am now coveting that collection and starting my own. The capstone of which will be a Gyrinx of course. :)

[@bombarded15]

Wait, what's the drama about? I've just seen lots of old models brought out getting geared up

[@housecaldwell]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Where did you find a gyrinx??? I was thinking an Ambull might be a good guard dog....I wonder if anyone has an STL for one.

[@richmcgee434]

@@bombarded15 AFAIK it's mostly complaints about how SG is "just a reskin of FG" or something similar. Which is true for the most part (although I'd contend it borrows elements from all the previous games rather than "just" FG) but I haven't seen a coherent explanation of what the objectors wanted instead.

[@MrGunnar177]

@@richmcgee434 idk the book looks thicc

[@pdxholmes]

"It's just a reskin of Frostgrave"...as Ash goes on to list several ways it's different with tweaked rules. "Reskinned Frostgrave" is exactly what a lot of people wanted. Social media exists just for people to complain about something.

[@corgibuttz2550]

This reminds of when someone tried to "gotcha!" Ken Levine in regards to the similarities to from System Shock 2 to Bioshock. His response was "yes of course, I mean... Shock is in the name."

[@tomemaster1744]

"Nooo you can't just reskin a Fantasy game into a Science Fiction one." Haha WarCraft goes StarCraft.

[@richmcgee434]

Howdy, Warhammer Fantasy Battles. Is this your younger brother Rogue trader? I can see the family resemblance. :)

[@dannypockets]

Thanks for the video and THANK YOU FOR THE OPENING STATEMENT it’s unbelievable the kind of complaining you see around this... Sheesh!

[@codyweaver7546]

People complain more when they get what they want.

[@thegeekinthenorth6399]

Massively appreciate Ash's statement at the beginning around "this is a reskin of Frostgrave". I have been really confused to people being unhappy essentially this is a Sci-Fi version of Frostgrave. I'm not sure if people just thought there'd be even more specialised rules to differentiate it from Frostgrave or that it would be an entirely different system but that's the joy of Joseph's games for me, they are so easy to modify that if there's a mechanic you were hoping for, he has given you a great basis to add it! Not to mention the game isn't out yet, we need to see the full book first surely! :)

[@JimmiWazEre]

Ok ok, so... 1. You admit this is just a reskin 2. You admit that the joy of Joseph's games are that you can just mod and reskin them anyway you see fit. Congratulations, you're a step closer to seeing the problem. That is... What's the point of paying for a 'new game' when it's just something that we've all been encouraged to do with the original game anyway? People were wanting to see significant new mechanics, not surface level tinkering, and changes to the fluff. This book brings no new insights to the table.

[@thegeekinthenorth6399]

@@JimmiWazEre it sounds like you're after a new game system! I'm not an expert on all that's out there but I've heard a lot about Rogue Stars, might be more what you're after! 😊

[@JimmiWazEre]

@@thegeekinthenorth6399 thanks I'll check it out

[@ReallyBigBadAndy76]

@@JimmiWazEre so don’t buy it. Problem solved. What’s to complain about? It’s a rule set you can buy for $15 on Kindle. People need to chill out and let other people enjoy things.

[@jernejpeternel7415]

"Cant take the sky from me" - oh Firefly, where art thou. Great review

[@tibour007]

I have already been thinking about that, and using my Wild west Exodus minis for it.

[@MrGunnar177]

I’m leaning towards dead mans hand minis

[@tibour007]

@@MrGunnar177 They work as well. Like most I love using minis that I have for another system. I am also a huge Fire Fly fan. I have already been thinking of using the Union as Federal Troops. With the setting being after a war it just lends itself to the crew so well. SciFi western is just great to start!!

[@MrGunnar177]

@@tibour007 ordered some dead man hands and knuckle buster minis. Need some sci fi ish stuff for the specialists

[@jernejpeternel7415]

@@tibour007 I will be using Firefly Adventures: Brigands and Browncoats miniatures for this. Cant wait...

[@Phoenikuz]

"Is this going to be StarGrave?!"... "Is THIS going to be StarGrave?!"... "Wait, this IS StarGrave? And it is just what we asked for? Well, now we don't want it!" - Grognards. Grognards never change. Thanks for the review Ash - I'm really looking forward to get this on the table! :D

[@andrewpepper-parsons9630]

Frostgrave in space is exactly what the world needs. Sounds awesome and I look forward to some play through videos.

[@JimmiWazEre]

I wonder if this is intentional dishonesty, or just ignorance? When folks said that they wanted Frostgrave in space, it wasn't meant literally. They want the concept of fg in space, not the exact same game. Anyone can already take the game and rename the nouns - that's not difficult. Ash likens this to 40k to WHFB but everyone knows that those are two fundamentally different games, not least because of setting, but also mechanically, and with how they play. So ironically, yes, 40k to WHFB is exactly the kind of thing people wanted when they said that they wanted FG in space.

[@adamfox1669]

If you live long enough, you too will be a grognard kiddo

[@HeadHunterSix]

The painting on the miniatures in the book is simply _fantastic_ !

[@Paddyevans]

Firefly Adventures minis as a crew? Check. Sontarans as a crew? Check. Cylons as a robot crew? Check. Klingons as a crew? Check. Star Wars bountry hunters as a crew? Check. Daleks as a very unusual crew? Check. Starfleet mins as a crew? Oh double, maybe triple check.... Need to find more pop culture minis for this ASAP :)

[@willnox1]

Ash: Next question now. When is "Apocalypticgrave" or "Dustgrave" coming out? Yes I do love TNT as well.

[@benjimanfitzpatrick9976]

dustgrave oh please let it be called dustgrave. Apocalyptic frostgrave would be badass

[@richardtasden4417]

A McGuffin isn’t just any fluff. Even if it is that character’s specific motivation. It has to be the central driving force of the plot.

[@daxthedestroyer9061]

This is great! I can't wait for "Star Rangers of Shadow Sector Delta" 😁 ... no really, very much want.

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

The first expansion; Installation 37 or somesuch has the solo rules in it :)

[@kindermord]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames excellent - I was a little disappointed that the skills from Rangers didn’t make it over. But just like yourself - I’m going to be digging out my Rogue Trader figures.

[@euansmith3699]

I prefer the High Gothic. "Venators dei Umbra Profundis" :)

[@toddbutcher1784]

Yes please!

[@13Nagash13]

I want to see if I can use my blackstone fortress and random unpainted/forgotten models in the closet of shame, in mean shelves of opportunity, to make a warband. at the speed it paint, i should be ready when the solo rules come out.

[@cthulhu4lyfe]

Best beginning of a video....”It’s called Stargrave damnit!!” ‘Nuff said

[@richmcgee434]

Everyone likens the First Mate to an Apprentice, but they're really closer to filling the Warden role from Ghost Archipelago. They provide you access to a whole separate set of tricks from your Captain (Heritor, in GA). They are (or at least can be) more fighty than Wardens though, so they're kind of a mashup of Frostgrave mercenary "Captains" (that name's going to get confusing) and Wardens - and yeah, Apprentices if you want to double down on whatever your Captain's pool of tricks is.

[@danlangford9434]

Yep. I thought the same thing.

[@17blaziken]

I loved the different "class" in GA, like the facts that you have something similar here.

[@richmcgee434]

@@17blaziken Yep. You can see how Stargrave is taking some of the best elements from all his earlier games, as well as a adding a few new things. Presumably whatever the next XXXgrave game turns out be will continue the trend.

[@Hundmathr]

Thank you Ash. I don't get why people are upset about it being Frostrgrave in space. Besides Warhammer and 40k, just about every game has done it, Metamorphosis Alpha which then became Gamma World was originally D&D in space, a few years later TSR did it again with Star Frontiers, more recently Pathfinder spun off Starfinder, just to name a handful of the top of my head. Folx really need to chill. While I'm flexing my old nerd cred, Burning Chrome is a perfectly reasonable reference for cyberspace, Gibson set the eponymous short story in that collection (as well as several other stories) in the same Sprawl universe as Nueromancer.

[@richmcgee434]

In fairness to TSR, Star Frontiers was very much its own thing, the rules don't really resemble D&D or anything else they ever made - at least at first, the Zebulon Guide variant turned it into something akin to Marvel Super-Heroes. If I understand any of the Stargrave complaints correctly it seems that folks think there wasn't enough work done on the design for it to be worth buying, which is so subjective it's hard to make a rational argument about it. How much change counts as "enough to be worth the cost" isn't a question anyone can answer except for themselves.

[@euansmith3699]

It is great seeing Ash so happy. I'm really looking forward to getting a copy of these rules, plus the expansion, plus the plastic kits.

[@marcdeem7563]

I get to use all of my Star Wars Miniatures that have been sitting in cases for years!! Now to build terrain...after having built tons of "ancient ruins" for Frostgrave/Rangers...*goes and buys granny grating, straws for pipes, and apologizes to wife...*

[@derosadesignco.659]

i've got a ton of star wars legion figures that will be great for this. time to start building a campaign for them. I love legion for what it is but my kids like to "level up" so this is gonna be a perfect blend i think

[@Escapeexes]

At 28:30, the "Run For It" rule where you can always get 3" of movement was in Frostgrave 2nd ED. Great rule that my group took advantage of because we had a Witch that was fond of the Mud spell. Great review, looking foward to this book!

[@CesarIsaacPerez]

So excited for Stargrave!!! Can't wait for my book to get home. I'm going to use all the Blackstone fortress mini's as one warband and I've been buying a bunch of Necromunda stuff for a second warband.

[@polyhedron3386]

The amount of references here is impressive. Appreciate the tenacious D one :)

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

This is not the greatest review in the world. It’s just a tribute.

[@morehammer]

Thanks for the review dude very exiting, you are so lucky to get this so early, rest of us gotta wait another 6 weeks! *cries to sleep*

[@alexdevilbat]

I have a feeling this is going to replace Kill Team for my lunch game.

[@agrayday7816]

Great job Ash, thanks for sharing!

[@paintingbyminions8360]

I love all the art in these books. Great video. Can’t wait to get my grubby little hands on it.

[@scott4991]

Love your work Ash! Can't wait to get my hands on this

[@HaroudoXavier]

Really great review. Thank you!

[@acrylicchemist1432]

This looks super fun, thanks Ash!

[@Paddyevans]

(mid-watch) You get a cookie for a Space: Above and Beyond reference. Want to know what happened after the cliffhanger ending of season two!

[@HenricWallmark]

Tanks, they were invitros?

[@steeldrac]

I loved that series

[@Paddyevans]

@@HenricWallmark Bingo. But the derogatory term was Tank or Nipple Neck.

[@craigbrown04]

Amen to that, we need to know!!!

[@batmandalorian5504]

"It's just a reskin of Frostgrave" cool - my copy of Stargrave will be delivered tomorrow.

[@imskeletoryouboobs8009]

My ears perked right up when I heard "Juicers from Rifts".

[@bombarded15]

Was going to skip watching this so I could have that magical "first time exploring the book" feel like I did when I got Frostgrave but I got impatient, and honestly, your enthusiasm and commentary gave me that same feeling but even better. Excellent video dude :)

[@52Miniatures]

Thanks for this! Quite exited about Stargrave

[@CopperAndCutGrass]

This game sounds like it is exactly what I wanted from a sci-fi Frostgrave! Looking forward to playing. Great art as usual from Osprey.

[@uriance88]

This review has me leaning towards this - particularly since they have said they will have solo rules - as opposed to 5 Parsecs. With teenagers, the pile of models that started my foray into this hobby will now have a use. Onwards to the first battle report (totally didn't take long for me to subscribe to this channel)

[@Chopperkelly73]

Can’t wait! Looking forward to seeing Logan’s World

[@AltroseSenar]

Super looking forward to seeing games of this. Been excited for the release of this game since Joe put it on his blog.

[@johntailby74]

The action move three inches is in Frostgrave 2.

[@moseth7606]

Dam it man! I knew nothing of this, and only just recently got into frostgrave thanks to your lets plays. Looking forward to seeing your future vids 👍

[@Cthuluman3]

I seriously cannot wait for this game, and watching this review has only intensified my MIGHTY NEED!!

[@Rajja29]

Love your videos, never played Frostgrave but Stargrave really has me interested.

[@wellhungindung]

I don't know why people are complaining that Stargrave is Sci Fi update of Frostgrave, sounds good to me and I'll be buying it. I would say though that I'm not that impressed with the sculpting of the North Star miniatures I've seen so far, very chunky. I have several boxes of the frostgrave stuff and they are good.

[@7.7.7_.7..7._]

Havnt been so excited to watch a new tabletop review :))

[@ryanwest4968]

Love Frostgrave, this looks great & can't wait for this, and preppin my own crew now. Expectantly awaiting some great bat reps from Ash. I can't wait to see what Ash will pick for his capt & 1st mate. Will he have a motley crew like Firefly? A hardened group of soldiers like Alien? Or an assortment of Rogue One-esque Jedi/bounty hunter/freedom fighters?

[@hjorhrafn]

Wait, people are actually surprised that this is a re-skin? I don't pay attention to much social media anymore.

[@AF-kj2zl]

Thanks for the review!!!

[@robottaviano4178]

When is "GhostStation Arcipellico" being released? Will we have blups? (Underwater blips)

[@richmcgee434]

"Rangers of the FrostGhost Star Archipelago" is fairly catchy.

[@ogremark5]

Space Rangers of the Ghost Nebula. Actually there was TV show in the 90s Space Rangers.

[@GB-yt9sn]

End of 2021, not far off the mark with ghoststation. It is set on a dead station

[@bluebird3281]

@@ogremark5 star rangers of the outer shadows

[@primarchechs7139]

Tekwar reference! Made my day.

[@Kevin.Mitchell]

Fantastic! What an added bonus for an otherwise boring Saturday! My copy is preordered since last Summer - I already have a great set of minis from my forays into Starbreach which built on my 30 year old Rogue Trader / WH40K collections, but I still have enough of an unpainted pile to get cracking on while I wait for the postie to deliver. These will also come in handy for the upcoming Xenos Rampant too! Looking forward to your playthroughs - hopefully Owen doesn't break it too much!

[@StormWildSpace]

Just open my core space box for minis and terrain. Sweet! Can't wait to get this book and watch your bat reps.

[@Anuduin]

Great Tenacious D references. Looking forward to getting my copy.

[@jerric1228]

I’m amazed people complained about that. A few people made good examples but the one that comes to mind for me is mass effect being dragon age is space. That’s exactly what the fans wanted and it sold incredibly well because of it.

[@chadcaughmann7898]

Isn’t dragon age just knights of the old republic in a fantasy setting?

[@thelonelybolter8245]

Fabulous video as always! Just get my copy, so into it :) Currently painting Blood Ravens for 40k, so much fun thinking about combinations of intercessors/infiltrators/heavy intercessors/etc to build a team!

[@frankg9956]

Thanks for the review Ash. When can we expect to see some Let's Play content from you for Stargrave? Great channel man. Keep doing what you do.

[@MikeDavison]

So excited for this!

[@bshean72]

This offers a great spread of flavours from classic pulp sci-fi to prison planet etc, looking forward to seeing what the community comes up with

[@philtombershead]

I don't know why but the first couple of minutes had me in stitches.

[@chrisalcala4733]

Great video Ash! I like some of the backlash as a huge compliment to Joe; usually this level of Preanger is reserved for the much bigger companies....bravo Joe, you have truly made it! Ash, I know you are going to use your old models and that's cool, but will you later create a second crew using the Northstar models? Would love to see this too.

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

I’ll paint up whatever I get my hands on!

[@Berserkerworks]

I can't wait to build a ton of terrain for this!

[@bombarded15]

11:02 That Wonderboy reference, there are so many great little bits in this review lol

[@breonstewart-guarino3081]

I've been ready for Stargrave for months, maybe years. I wasn't ready for a reference to TekWar.

[@markgnepper5636]

Great stuff friend 👏 👍

[@HaroudoXavier]

The art is really amazing.

[@ogremark5]

Thanks for sharing Ash. I'm looking forward to seeing the rules myself when they ship next month. If looks like a fun set of rules good for any SF and Space Opera figures - 40K, Star Wars, Star Trek, Stargate, Firefly, Galactica, etc.

[@superfugy]

Omg I just got into frostgrave and fell in love and now I get to have a sci-fi version!!!!!

[@peterk4626]

This....is.....awesome! Everything a sci-fi warband game should be, ticks every box.

[@KristovMars]

Thanks for the review! I've loved scifi skirmishes since necromunda dropped in the 90s, but I broke up with GW a while back (i cant abide abusive relationships) and have just flitted about between lots of games since. This looks like my jam!

[@johnhaynes9442]

nice space above and beyond reference

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

In space, no one can hear you scream. Unless it is the battle-cry of the United States Marine Corps! SHOW ME YOUR WAR FACE!

[@bladenbrush1420]

I bought 4 Hot Wheels while grabbing a few things at the store tonight, but I haven't played Gaslands in 15 months - that's how good Joe's games are. Take my money please. Thanks for the review Ash!

[@kcaudle52]

Been buying and building Star Wars Legion miniatures to get ready to build crews. For the price, Legion minis offer great deal of variety in soldiers and droids.

[@tinywargamer3863]

For droids check out Mantic marionettes

[@kcaudle52]

@@tinywargamer3863 those do look good!! Thanks!

[@richardatherton7280]

If I wasn't excited for this before (and I was...), I definitely am now! Great review and seems like this is going to be a great game. The best bits of Frostgrave, with the cool bits from Rangers, but IN SPAAAACE.

[@euansmith3699]

Ash, "... so you can't make some super ultra mega death person..." Owen, "Challenge accepted. Rogue Trooper is called Rogue. Johnny Alpha is Strontium Dog... Hmm... a Strontium Dog crew could be a lot of fun.

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Yeah I mixed my mutant glowy eyed dudes for a second hahaha

[@ogremark5]

Rogue Trooper fit well as a Bioform or a Cyberborg if you include his AI equipment.

[@GamingwithTheCooler]

hmmmm

[@richmcgee434]

@@ogremark5 Hmmm, I wonder if you could do Rogue as a bioform and then model his chipped equipment as members of his crew? You could do something like that in Rogue Stars - make all the "gear" characters with Robotic and Tiny and have Rogue carry them most of the time. Sigh. Shame that game never got the support it needed to really break out. We wouldn't even be talking about Stargrave if it had, but nope, abandonware by both the creator and Osprey. Sales must have been terrible or something.

[@richardatherton7280]

Oh no... I think I now have to buy all the Warlord Games Strontium Dog miniatures

[@thepiratepenguin4465]

17:02 or something like Xenomorph or a Nid could be a fun pet?

[@ForgeMoon]

Well you can easily use this rules for VSF/Steampunk without any modifications, really looking forward to it!

[@michaeljacobs2860]

excited to see alot of battle reports of this new game

[@meffeli]

Omg a Tank! I'm so happy you mentioned Space AaB, used to love that show

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Best opening R Lee Ermey ever filmed after Full Metal Jacket.

[@mattj1871]

Have several SciFi minis kits from failed games that I can FINALLY use for something!

[@chadnine3432]

Hey! This is just Frostgrave in space!

[@kamikazebadger2686]

This is a game I didn’t know I needed in my life. Thanks Ash

[@mattj1871]

Ash has a way of doing that. A lot...

[@geekytenikidndfan]

Just got my Frostgrave books!! Can't wait to order Stargrave!!!

[@andresaguilar723]

I can't wait!!! :D

[@Level30Commoner]

Ahhh Stargrave, the Owen-Fix-Edition!

[@OldPaw]

Excited for this game. Still waiting for GMG wound tokens.

[@robottaviano4178]

Sebastian, you are our best and only friend.

[@irrationalgaz]

Bonus love for referencing Space Above and Beyond. The original space opera that was cancelled too soon.

[@scottperkins5038]

I now want to try and make my Destiny guardians and use them.

[@ulfhazelcreek8108]

”Shatners magnum opus”..... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@richmcgee434]

Gee, I would have thought that was TJ Hooker. :)

[@toddbutcher1784]

That's telekinesis, Kyle!

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

MIND BULLETS!

[@HeadHunterSix]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames TWO hundred yards away, sir. How about... the power, to _move_ you?

[@johnmiddleton4291]

I found that the perfect game to use all your Rogue Trader minis in rhymes with Rogue Trader.

[@garethtomkins5797]

Sounds good to me.makes me laugh the people who complain it's just rehash of Frostgrave....yes the clue is in the name. As you said I think most of us have figures to use from our collections of figures and games we have gathered over the years.Great review as always Ash 👍👍

[@ryanmcc09]

That's telekinesis, kyle

[@johntailby74]

Biomorph sounds also like the Genetic Infantry from Rogue Trooper.

[@danielbrodeur3910]

Rogue trader games workshop era... Cool feel old school gaming

[@chunkycornbread4773]

so exited about this game

[@stuartmc4422]

I've not heard of this game before, and now I want to play it very badly.

[@timothyyoung2962]

I actually find it really surprising HOW well this game can be applied to a lot of other sci-fi miniature properties. I have yet to not be able to mirror a character from another game for Stargrave.

[@LangZyneJr]

I hate to be that guy, but a McGuffin is an item which is used to propel the narrative, such as the Maltese Falcon in the Maltese Falcon or the Deathstar Plans in Starwars. Typically, this is something that the characters are after and thus, drives their motivations and the plot. It is possible that a McGuffin could be a person or place, but this tends to be pretty rare. I’m not sure if the Last War would count as a McGuffin as much as it would just be the Backstory of Stargrave. Again, sorry to be that guy. Great video and love your style of review!

[@ghostmutton]

I have an old board game called Mutant Chronicles Siege of the Citadel. This might be the perfect opportunity to use those Dark Legion minis.

[@ArvandusTheStoryteller]

Woot! The game looks great!

[@Grendelnz]

in Frostgrave 2 you can push yourself back from combat. both this and the 3" move are new rules in FG 2.