You actually do NOT want to use anti-static/ESD/conductive foam as PE switch foam. ESD PE foam is intended to dissipate static electricity away from the product it is wrapping. So when used as switch foam, it actually risks static shocks being transferred from the case to PCB (normally, there is an air gap that prevents this from happening). OwlLab doesn't seem to want to release what type of foam the Jelly uses specifically, but it is theorized that it is regular IXPE foam. The rumour about using black ESD PE foam is misinformation.
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Overall, great video though. I need to try your method of the PE mod! In hindsight, I find it a bit silly that I released a PE foam guide without actually trying to only make cutouts for the stabilizer housings LOL. Do you happen to notice if the wires rub against the foam during use? That's my only concern with your method, as I noticed that the Jelly's foam has cutouts for the stab wires. Looking forward to more videos!
@CalebSponheim3 жыл бұрын
Listen to this man, he knows what he's talking about
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Oh man thanks for the info. I bought an embarrassingly large amount of the anti-static stuff 🤦♂️. Lemme watch your vids on this topic first. As for the stab wires, I actually ended up cutting slits for them because I wanted to apply and remove the PE foam without removing the stabs. But even before that, I didn't notice any issue with the wires.
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Ohp! Hopefully you can find other uses for it 😅 Ok, that's good to hear! My main gripe about the way I do the PE foam mod is that some of the "poppyness" is missing from the stabilized keys, especially the space bar. So your method with cutouts for just the housings and wires might be the play!
@belphegor_dev3 жыл бұрын
Is the pe foam that came with the gmmk pro safe to use?
@maaaars3 жыл бұрын
I can totally understand not wanting to work with this board anymore, I've modded and disassembled it with different configs pratically 15 different times myself. Great video btw! I was shocked when I noticed your sub count, the quality is amazing.
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@ssbadmintongroup3 жыл бұрын
Extremely detail and very helpful. Gotta work on my newly arrived GMMK Pro as well. Thanks man!
@MysTicZ7 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed setup and guide! I have been modding my GMMK pro, tweaking it over the last year. The sound was always a bit meh, but a tip from your video finally made it sound a lot. better, similar to your sound test 1! The big tip was I had the screws only lightly tightened to give the board more "flex" which is not noticable. I think what this does is allow the sound to leak out the bottom, which makes it a lot more muted. I tightened the screws all the way as you mentioned, thinking "what the heck ill try it", and it was a huge difference! So thanks a lot!
@CaloysKeyboards Жыл бұрын
Nice! Great to hear. Flex is overrated anyway lololol #jokingnotjoking
@shiftycaps3 жыл бұрын
Your content just keeps getting better and better. I am enjoying typing this an a PE-foamed GMMK Pro with Ink Blacks. Cheers.
@poinggg10 ай бұрын
i don't usually comment on videos but your video on the gmmk pro has been incredibly helpful. i followed your steps by performing the pe foam mod and that really brought life into this keyboard - thanks so much for making this very thorough video!
@CaloysKeyboards10 ай бұрын
Thank you! Always glad to help 😊
@TheDredgenProject3 жыл бұрын
Daaaang PE Foam sounds good! Great thumbnail as well!
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro! Yesss Jelly Epoch sounds for cheap 😁
@Magniboards3 жыл бұрын
Great review man, I'll definitely consider your mods on my GMMK Pro (still sealed) video lol, I've been pushing it back due to other projects but this is a great reference!
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, man! Good luck with it! If you do the PE foam, you might have to do some more research into what exactly is the safe kind to use. I'm still not sure 😅
@drugrape2 жыл бұрын
i love the way you do sound comparisons! fr4 pe foam combo is just masarap
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
Salamat! 🙏🏼
@dannytopete97033 жыл бұрын
This was great, ever since I got my board, I had the PC plate, then the Alu plate, then back to the PC plate, I then tried to half tighten the screws and triple gasket, then thought it was good. Now I have that PE foam with all screws in and tightened almost all the way and I could say that my board finally sounds how I wanted it to, all it took was 2 months after it arrived to me.
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Nice! Glad it worked out for you hehe. It takes some doing the but this board can sound really good 😁
@dannieboi37423 жыл бұрын
Just finished doing the PE mod on my Alu plate with Everglide Aquaking Switches and the difference is quite amazing even on these linears, thanks a lot for your testing and video. One thing to note though for those who are about try the PE mod is that when you install the switches back onto the plate, some pins WILL bend although easily fixable so test the switches first before you install the keycaps and you should be good to go. Amazing mod!
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Nice! Great advice 😁
@asnifuashifj912743 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this great video. I've tried a lot of mods as well, but what really stood out was the tempest mod. For some reason something as simple as a masking tape, or any paper-based tape for that matter (e.g. painters tape and so on) works really well. The typing sounds "poppy" which gives a smooth feel to it. I am using polycarbonate plate with standard foam in between the PCB and plate, uses the stand-off to put them together and finally one layer (three stripes) of tapes. I did not put any cotton/PE foam at the bottom as it didn't produce much difference. That or I'm too old to hear things anymore LOL!
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Nice! Yea, the PE foam really only has an effect on top of the PCB, not underneath hehe
@DanielBuenaventura3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Subbed to hopefully get you monetized soon. you deserve it with the quality of your content.
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Much appreciated 🙏
@febust3 жыл бұрын
Best mods and sound I ever seen for GMMK Pro. Really good contents keep going.
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@marcocarag1033 жыл бұрын
What an incredibly helpful and well made video. Thank you for going into such depth. I come here after having tried the tape mod on my D65, and am leaving this video now inspired to switch to PE foam, as well as add the standoffs to my plate and PCB (I left them out assuming that the board would feel better that way).
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Hope it all goes well for you! 😊
@marcocarag1033 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Just did both, and on my D65 (using Akko CS Matchas) the PE foam sounds WAY better than the tape mod. Tape mod was a pretty small impact -- it did deepen the sound, but not by much. PE foam, however, was a huge impact. I agree with the term "marble-y" -- as an owner of a marble dining table, it does kind of sound like I'm tapping on that table.
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Woah nice! Mirrors my experience hehe. That's a fun way of describing it, marble-y 😁
@marcocarag1033 жыл бұрын
@Christopher CHOW I'm using an FR4 plate. I'm pretty tempted to order the PC plate to see how I like that material.
@marcocarag1033 жыл бұрын
@Christopher CHOW I'm only using the stock PCB foam (no case foam). So to be clear, PE foam + PCB foam, no case foam. I did try both tape and PE foam on the PCB and noticed no real difference and so I got rid of the tape just to reduce future mess. I also didn't try other configurations, because I'm happy with the way it sounds. :)
@Circletakesthejake3 жыл бұрын
dude your actually insane! thanks for this
@annoyingoranger1003 жыл бұрын
Tried the tempest mod as well and my board went from poppy and fun to listen to- to drab and almost.. apalling to type on, for a lack of a better term. Glad someone else shares the sentiment that the tape mod isn’t an end all be all solution to “thock.”
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
It depends on the keyboard, I guess. No go on the GMMK Pro for me but I have it on a couple of cheap tray-mounted boards along with the PE foam since they need all the help they can get lol. I'm also keeping both mods off my KBD67 Lite since it already sounds great and to get more diversity of sound out of my boards hehe
@GruelingFive83 жыл бұрын
If I remember right, the outcome of the tape mod is partly dependant on the switches used. Might be useful to know if you want to try with different switches later
@themouselady2753 жыл бұрын
This was such a helpful video, thank you so much
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks as well 🙏🏼
@davieslm3 жыл бұрын
Just re-watching this as I now just received the GMMK Pro. PE foam mod + stock bottom case foam + plate foam removed + PC plate produced a sound that I liked. I have Boba U4Ts and GMK cherry keycaps. My PC plate received on 23.8.21 in Europe seems to be just as bad as the earlier versions. I.e. Too small and a nightmare to install with Durock stabs. I just ordered a quality looking AVX Works FR4 plate which should be shipped early September. If you are outside of North America then you can get from MechMods in the UK. I am hoping that this will fit nicely and sound good as well.
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
That's a huge bummer about the plate. It's been way too long since release for there to still be faulty plates being shipped. I've seen that FR4 plate form AVX Works and it looks super nice. Much nicer than the one I used. Hope it works out for you hehe
@davieslm2 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Hi Caloy. My AVX Works FR4 plate arrived and its great! No warping or misalignment. I have a modded TOFU60, KBD67 v3 and GMMK Pro and the latter is my favourite board. Its sounds and feels super nice with the FR4 plate, Boba U4T switches and MT3 keycaps. I also bought a set of KBDfans D65 gaskets but I am wondering if I will get any benefit in fitting them. Do the D65 gaskets mess with the height of the keycaps?
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
@@davieslm Nice! I didn't find any benefit with the D65 gaskets but it wouldn't hurt to try them out if you're curious. You can always just tighten the screws fully and they'd function identically to the stock gaskets. Use the thinner parts in between the pre-cut gaskets to avoid interference while closing the case. Not sure what you mean by messing with the keycaps height. The whole of the PCB+plate assembly and top case would all rise up together so there wouldn't be any misalignment there.
@davieslm2 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Thanks Caloy. I will give the gaskets a go. You are right about the keycaps. I was just confused a little as was thinking it was like tray mount system meaning if you install o-rings on a Tofu then this will raise the height of the PCB and you will have larger gaps at the bottom of the keycaps.
@lilpain19972 жыл бұрын
tbh the plate issue is fixed but theres so much old stock still that you can easily get an older one ( which is annoying ). I got an older GMMK pro with the the stab issue as well where they overlubed. I had to file down my Alu plate as well.
@hikki64783 жыл бұрын
I don't have a gmmk pro, but great video! I appreciate you doing all this keyboard science
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It's great fun! 😁
@elander862 жыл бұрын
"I got my hands on a multimeter and tested both the PE foam included with the GMMK Pro and also the anti-static Betafoam and both are non-conductive" Love you
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
I've never tried that PE foam placement. If you did it like that, you'd either have to cut big holes for the switches or attempt to push the entire housing through it, which would pretty much defeat the point, I think hehe
@elander862 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Thank you. Ended up placing it closest to the pcb and skipping the pcb foam alltogether. Only used 2 screws to secure the pc-plate to the pcb. The thock is unreal haha, what an upgrade to my old ducky keyboard.
@emaadfayaz63303 жыл бұрын
Love how in depth the videos are! Did you test out how the rgb looked when using PE foam? If so how did it look?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Hmm it looks about the same, I think. The second scene in the intro (with the light bulb) is with the PE Foam installed hehe Edit: Ok, I've had the RGB on for a little bit now and it does seem dimmer than it was before the PE foam. On the edge it's brighter since there's no foam there 😅
@emaadfayaz63303 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards makes sense. Unless someone takes the time to make holes for the LEDs too! Might need to try that myself, hmmm. Thanks though, I really like the way you do you sound comparisons too! Cheers, and keep up the good work.
@atomicpancakes2 жыл бұрын
I got inspired to start keeb modding because of your vids! So I purchased all the necessary stuff I need to start modding. I plan to use a GMMK PRO with a PC plate, Glorious Gateron Blacks with 60g Springs (gonna bag lube with Krytox 106) also planning on holee mod and band aid mod with switch films and switch pads and a 3.5mm spacebar foam. Im hoping it’ll sound awesome! Edit: Gonna change the Goat stabs to Duroc V2 stabs as well and so krytox 205g0 one all the switches and stabs
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Good luck with it! 😁
@mattkoolets3 жыл бұрын
Very helpful, considering getting a new GMMK pro again because of this. Lol.
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Apologies to your wallet 😂
@odd-ragnarstangnes6462 жыл бұрын
Good video. :) Heard that you mentioned the Philippines? :) Do you live there and if so do you know any good stores? Looking for someone that is making custom cases or just sells cases in different sizes. Lazada is not always easy to find what your looking for :) Liked and subscribed
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yup nasa Pinas po ako hehe. Do you mean custom cases for a specific keyboard? The only thing that springs to mind is PMX.GG on Facebook. They make custom cases, plates, foams, etc hehe
@odd-ragnarstangnes6462 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards hey Kuya! :P Than you. Will have a look! Not necessarily for a specific board, but more a specific size. Would like a wood cabinet and a alu one for a 75%. Might even go so far to see if i can find someone with a CNC. Doing my first proper hotswap with glorious panda, glorious lynx and doing the lubing myself. :) Based in Taguig
@Dxnarchy2 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Where'd could I find that deskmat?
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Unfortunately, all of my deskmats are custom featuring my own art 😅
@Dxnarchy2 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards When i saw Luffy on it I don’t know how long i searched online for it 😭. I’m going to look into making my own, thanks for the idea!
@gesu17423 жыл бұрын
Very well done, thank you!
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Appreciate you coming back 🙏🏼
@zyidas41162 жыл бұрын
do you only just use pe foam in your final build or pe foam with the plate foam aswell? awesome sound test and explanations! keep it up!
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Just the PE foam. Once I took the plate foam out, I didn't put it back in hehe
@Destroyer71173 жыл бұрын
Great content and very nicely arranged + summarized video. That's a +1 subscriber for you man 😎 Any chance you can share a link to buy the FR4 Plate? :)
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! The FR4 plate was just made by a maker here in the Philippines. I'm not sure if there's any stock left. You can check his site here: rmi-kb.com/
@Destroyer71173 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply, unfortunately nothing to be seen or bought from the website or their discord channel :/ It's ok then, but fyi here's the other only FR4 plate option I've seen and apparently they're really good, but on the pricier side :) www.mechmods.co.uk/products/gmmk-pro-fr4-plate-by-avx-works
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah I've seen this. Definitely nicer than the one I got but would be prohibitive to have shipped here to the Philippines, probably hehe
@zgbvz1143 жыл бұрын
999th subscriber, thank you and excited to mod my newly bought GMMK Pro!
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Nice! Thank you so much!
@corneliofalgui4544 Жыл бұрын
Hi sir caloy! Nice acoustics. I just have one question. With the pc plate bowing, were u able to find any solution to this problem? My pcb is still bending. Thanks
@reynoldjaybahunsua69173 жыл бұрын
Love your vid man. 🔥 Just want to ask a question. Did the tempest mod decreased the black magic power of the PE Foam Mod when both of them were applied?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, man! Hmm it sort of had this deadening effect. Like the sound got duller or something hehe. I prefer it with just the PE without tape.
@TranquilMarmot2 жыл бұрын
I was kind of considering the tape mod and the PE foam mod... maybe I'll try just the PE foam first and see how it goes
@bobaythedog80673 жыл бұрын
Nice vid bro! Mind linking the PE foam you used in the video? Thank you!
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Link should be in the description hehe
@Cafaaro3 жыл бұрын
Anyone got a UK / EU link for PE foam?
@Jeff_Jaguar3 жыл бұрын
I hope Glorious starts selling the aluminum plates in both its colors. I have the black GMMK pro, but I would love the silver plate over the black one.
@CEngi3 жыл бұрын
In the closing sound test with the gps, did you not use plate foam? Did the PE foam still give that pop even without the plate foam?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Yes every test with the PE foam was without the plate foam as using the plate foam with the PE foam caused issues for me with switches losing contact with the sockets.
@CEngi3 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Thanks
@samsepiol39843 жыл бұрын
I actually got around to building my GMMK Pro and I had a terrible time as it actually came with one stripped screw head on the space bar stab housing. Had to take a drill to it to get it out ;( Anyways loved the part 3 of the modding tutorial, the editing of the vids are really clean. Definitely need to try that PE voodoo magic foam haha
@albioncia3 жыл бұрын
omg me too I use a wire cutter to cut the stab off then to cut the screw and the nut that was holding the right spacebar stab that was actual pain
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Oh man, so sorry about your bad experience. When I ordered mine, I actually started seeing posts in FB groups about people getting stripped case screws. Didn't know the stabs were susceptible to it too. I was very scared when I first got mine but there was only one screw that was tighter than the others and I was able to get it off without stripping it, fortunately. Glorious needs to improve their screws or else not tighten them so hard.
@CosmicApe2 жыл бұрын
I sold my GMMK Pro because I got so tired of tinkering with it. This makes me want to pick one up again and give it another go. My ideal sound and doesn't break the bank either.
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
It should be smoother sailing now with the updates that Glorious made to the plates!
@CosmicApe2 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards When did the update the plates? Does the PC plate finally fit properly?
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
Here's an update from August: www.pcgamingrace.com/blogs/news/gmmk-pro-post-launch-report Unfortunately, it doesn't look like they've addressed the PC plate issues. Just the alu and brass.
@patrickhoc3 жыл бұрын
Since the one I see on your video is sold out. If I wanted to find an Amazon alternative in the US, where could I find one?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Do you mean the PE Foam? Well, regardless I probably wouldn't be able to find an alternative any better than you would since I don't live in the US and am not very familiar with Amazon 😅
@CEngi3 жыл бұрын
You could also use Leukoplast tape cloth for the holee mod. Works really well and not a waste of band aids
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
I'm good with Holee mod supplies. I've got like 300 of these fabric bandages now 😅
@alexanderle39363 жыл бұрын
cool video, truly black magic fuckery mods. would these work for a tray mount keeb as well?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes, I'm right now using the PE+tape on a tray mount TKL, the XM87 😁
@samdeur2 жыл бұрын
wouw good in depth vid.. i was thinking of trying out the Keychron Q1 any thoughts ??
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Haven't tried out the Q1 yet but I've got one incoming and I'll definitely do at least one video on it hehe
@samdeur2 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards great to hear. Look forward to seeing your vid.. don't know how long the GB will stay open on CandyKeys... So perhaps waiting on your opinion might not be in the cards.. will see.. what happens.
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
From other people's videos, it seems like you'll need to do quite a bit of modding to make it sound acceptable. If you don't already have a 75% and enjoy that tinkering, it seems like a pretty great option, especially considering the low price hehe
@samdeur2 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Excellent points.. i do enjoy thinkering / modding. don't have the time to do it as much as i like to with me going back to school and all.. But i don't have a 75% certainly not one with south facing LED and qmk/via support.. with the FR4 plate 170 euro is reasonable anything else is way way more expensive mostly because i need to import it to the EU. Appreciate your thoughts..
@zoneglide66653 жыл бұрын
D65 gaskets only on the bottom case right? some people do that on the PCB / plate And poly plate really worth it?
@raghav35583 жыл бұрын
You just earned a sub!
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! 🙏🏼
@jaydenkim20923 жыл бұрын
Not sure if I missed it, but what were the keycaps in the beginning? They look hella nice. Great video too!
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Those are the NP Crayon keycaps. I'll probably do a video on them. You can buy them from KBDFans 😊
@siegekeebs2 жыл бұрын
Interesting - I use the aluminum plate with the middle standoffs (because otherwise the pcb won't stzy attached) I cut off all the edges which attach the plate to the pcb and I have pe foam and tempest mod. I removed all stock case foam, and only loosely use the 4 corner screws. This has been a very enjoyable result to me. Thanks for sharing the details of your journey.
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Sounds like really well thought out build! How did you cut off the tabs from the alu plate? 😁
@siegekeebs2 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Angle Grinder =) - I'm considering going back and cutting some slits in to the plate for even more flex - but not sure about that since I'm really happy with the typing experience right now. I've tried it with three different switches so far, some Gateron Cap Brown V2s, Durock POM Linear and now some lubed Tecsee Purple Panda PME (which are just a better holy panda - very good switch!). This is my current favorite board (of 25...this is a ridiculous addiction). Funnily enough, Tecsee Purple Panda PME are almost identical to my previous favorite (and way more expensive to make...) switch - a KK Lightwave (V1) + Gateron Yellow Spring + Halo stem.
@chd12333 жыл бұрын
great video! also i just wanna clarify is the foam from betafoam safe or nahh?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm actually still not sure haha. Not using my boards with them right now while I figure this all out 😅
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Hello, I've just now got my hands on a multimeter and have found that the betafoam is not conductive and therefore is safe to use.
@chd12333 жыл бұрын
thank you sir! may I ask how did you test it like what setting?😭 i have my tester but i'm clueless af 🤣 (i want to try if the pe foam i have laying around here is safe)
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
You can set it to either resistance mode or diode mode. Place both the prongs on the foam, the reading should remain as OL, meaning open line or there's no conductivity. You can also try it on a metal object to see the difference. There should be a reading and/or a beep noise with that.
@manggaedduk2 жыл бұрын
Hi what's the Hangul keycap set on the kbd67 lite you showed at 4:22?
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
NP PBT Crayon from KBDFans. I have a separate video on it 😊
@shanebolger78022 жыл бұрын
I had the same issue with the PE foam mod. My G switch wasn't working unless pressed hard because the added PE foam was just enough to make it not have full contact. Sad as I liked the sound but meh I went back stock. Although might take out the plate foam after seeing this
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
Go for it! That PE foam sound is worth it hehe
@saarxee193 жыл бұрын
After the PE foam this keboard case is hard to close back with the screws? PE on the PCB and under the foam case.. I need to apply some force to close it.. And you removed the standoffs? (two on the plate)
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
I've never really screwed the case super tightly. Once I feel some resistance, I just stop screwing, even if the top and bottom cases aren't fully flush. I removed the standoffs initially when I was comparing to the FR4 plate but for the final configuration using the PC plate, I used the standoffs.
@saarxee193 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Yeah because I dont know why I need to apply force to close this case.. Maybe I need to replace the gaskets with the D65? that is made big difference and flex?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
You're using the stock gaskets? Not triple gaskets? I think if you replaced with the D65, it would be even harder to close, since it's thicker. Try removing the PE foam under the PCB. I've found it doesn't really make a difference when placed there anyway.
@saarxee193 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards You mean the case pe foam? And I think D65 is helps to this closed easier because they are thinner than the stock gaskets (I used the stock now) And this D65 makes this keyboard flexy?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the case PE foam. Neither the triple gaskets nor the D65 gaskets made the typing experience flexy or bouncy for me. You could make it flex or bounce by pressing really hard, sure, but during normal typing I couldn't feel it.
@MoruDay3 жыл бұрын
hellow, sry if i dont get it, but do you use the PCB stock foam + PE foam, or just the PE foam and remove the stock PCB foam?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
I removed the stock foam between the PCB and plate so I just use the PE foam. It caused problems for me with the FR4 plate and I found that it opened up the sound so I just left it off even with the PC plate.
@davieslm3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! That PE foam is incredible. I have just transformed my Tofu60 (PC, U4T, GMK) with this mod. Looking at buying a KBD67 R2 Lite (on the mech market) or the GMMK Pro as its locally in stock. Would you say a GMMK Pro with PC plate, Durock V2, Boba U4T, GMK caps, plate foam removed and PE foam modded would sound deeper, thockier and more even than a KBD67 Lite R2 (ABS) with the stock PC plate, stabs, switches and keycaps? I love the form factor of both boards but don’t want another flat sounding board like a Tofu with no mods.
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Hmmm, I think whichever one has the PE foam would win in terms of deep sound and thock. As for evenness, I'm assuming you mean consistency in sound throughout the keys? I haven't noticed any major inconsistency in either board.
@davieslm3 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Thanks Caloy. Yes that is exactly what I mean. I have drilled out the two centre posts on my Tofu but the top row sounds flat because I think its due to the PCB next to a very thick alloy case edge. The rest of the keys are super thocky and I just wondered if the GMMK Pro and KBD67 Lite have the same characteristics. Descision time.. I can right now buy a new KBD67 Lite R2 kit for 174EUR delivered with no import fees. However I will need to change the ABS case as it is white and I like black. Alternatively I can buy the GMMK Pro with PC plate in the color I want (black) for 236 EUR delivered with no import fees. I know they are different form factors but I like both but I am looking for the best sounding board with the PE foam mod. PC plate with Boba U4T switches and GMK WoB.
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Afraid I can't say anything definitively about this as I haven't tried the PE foam mod on the KBD67 Lite. I would imagine it would win over the GMMK Pro in terms of sound since it already sounds nice and thocky without it.
@3rd_Gen3 жыл бұрын
Nice vid, brodie!
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, bro! Appreciate it!
@Botzz282 жыл бұрын
What’s the best foam to put into the ducky ? You can’t sandwhich the PE foam in these boards you can only put foam in the case
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
EVA foam works fine for inside the case. If there are structure lines that would make you have to cut the foam into many little pieces, you might be better off with a DIY silicone dampener.
@keyboardkevin59492 жыл бұрын
How do I know if the PE foam is safe to use. I was thinking about using the PE foam that my keyboard case was wrapped in for shipping. Is there a way to be sure or what do you think. It's kind of holding me back
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
I don't remember all the details already so you might have to read through the entire pinned comment thread on this video. I think you might have to use a multimeter to test the conductivity of the PE foam, which is what I did.
@JLx223 жыл бұрын
So to clarify, you only cut holes for stabs, and just push the switches through to create holes right? Don't to be punching all the holes for the pins lol. Thanks for the tips
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Yup. I poked holes for the fat pole bit on the bottom of the switch with just tweezers. The other pins just rip through hehe
@lukeserate51782 жыл бұрын
Hello did you use the plate foam that came with the alu plate?
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
I did, initially, but I removed it when I did the PE foam mod.
@yourhomiesushi3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I hope you reach monetization soon!
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! I hope so too lol
@walasilbii3 жыл бұрын
i get what you mean about the tempest mod. i actually prefer the one with just the PE foam. thank you
@thawzie3 жыл бұрын
MAN PE FOAM AND TEMPEST MOD TOGETHER SOUNDS LIKE PLAYING MINECRAFT LMAO
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Er is that a good thing? I don't play Minecraft 🤣
@LeKingCarnage3 жыл бұрын
Tried out the tape mod on my modded Blackwidow Tournament Edition 2014 and it did sound a bit better with the Gateron Yellows I put in. Gonna try the tempest mod sometime in the future when I get another board since I'm not gonna desolder this thing again lmao but looks easy enough for hotswaps.
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the tape is pretty nice for pre-builts and other tray-mounts hehe
@LeKingCarnage3 жыл бұрын
I meant PE foam mod instead of the tempest oops. But yeah temptest is gonna be handy when I refurb pre-builts from now on.
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Ohh I hear the PE foam mod is only for hotswap. I think the foam melts when you try to do it on a soldered board hehe
@missgold53153 жыл бұрын
I dont know how you recommended remove the plate foam.. I try this and now the board sounds hollow.. how that is possible.. And my backspace is more louder than enter keycap
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Hmmm do you have everything set up the same as me? PC plate, case foam, PE foam, all case screws tight, all plate screws and standoffs?
@noahyoos54912 жыл бұрын
Wait I'm a little bit confused, did you remove the stick plate foam when adding the PE foam? Or did you just add it?
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
For all of the sound tests with PE foam, there is no plate foam.
@noahyoos54912 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Okay thanks, I'm picking up my GMMK Pro tomorrow, I hope I enjoy it. Thanks for responding so fast
@noahyoos54912 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Hey man, just got my keyboard and modded it with some Gateron hippos and I couldn't be happier, really glad I found your channel
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Glad you like it! What mods did you do? Hehe
@noahyoos54912 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards I did the PE foam, swapped the bottom case foam for silicone, put in some durock v2 stabs, and got a Polycarbonate plate.
@happybeing7772 жыл бұрын
does pe foam make it louder? dont really care about the sound i just want something a little quieter
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
I don't think it makes it louder, just different in sound. I think it's already pretty muted in its stock form.
@eunsilrhee12163 жыл бұрын
hi. I just noticed that the square holes in poly carbonate plate is slightly bigger than the switches (at least with cherries). there is tremendous difference when you tape 4 sides of the square before putting the switch. Can you test on this? The result yields quite noticeable when you use silent switches. I am now cutting tapes into very thin pieces and taping all 4 sides of all square holes; similar to old fashion tapings for holes for stabilizer holders.
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Oh I've got the GMMK Pro in a different configuration for another video right now hehe. I've never noticed the switches being loose during normal use. What does this change? Sound? Feel?
@eunsilrhee12163 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards basically it reduces the noises that aren't coming from the switch; making it pure. I tested with cherries. When you put the switch on the plate and shake it from the bottom, the switch slightly moves to all sides. When you tape the 4 sides, it does not move gives firmer feel and better sound. However, if you use weak masking tapes, it does not stick well. So I am also bonding the tapes little by little... takes some time
@eunsilrhee12163 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards if the switches are loose on the pc plate, the extra sound it will make is the shaking sound of the switch in the plate installed = plastic bumping sound. It is true that it is hard to recognize when the switches are not silent switches
@eunsilrhee12163 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards My personal thought is people who can distinguish the firmness and the sound comparison between built-in keyboards and hot-swaps can tell the difference
@albioncia3 жыл бұрын
btw did you get your fr4 plate from avx works?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
No, that one has the gold trim and a bunch of flex cuts. Mine was designed by a local enthusiast and then produced by a local maker hehe
@albioncia3 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards I preordered mine from avxworks hope the sizing fit and I hope I still can use the PE foam with the plate foam with fr4. glorious doesn't ship to my country except from glorious's partner vendor so no pc plate for me yet
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it looks great. Looks better than the one I have lol. They seem pretty confident that the sizing is perfect so I hope it all works out for you 😁
@keyboardkevin59492 жыл бұрын
Can you try mass loaded vinyl?
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
I don't think I've ever heard of that before but I'll see what I can do hehe
@alexp35773 жыл бұрын
Any plans to review KBD67 lite silicone insert for bottom part of the case and allu case upgrade?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Oooh I hadn't seen that bottom silicone. I'll think about it. I was considering the alu V3 case but it's a bit too pricey for me right now with all of the other stuff I've bought for the channel. Maybe when I get monetized 😅
@alexp35773 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Yeah, I think they've just recently added the silicone piece as an option. The allu case could be a nice option for you since you said you wish your case was white :)
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Yeah the e-white alu case looks sooo nice. It's more expensive than the other colors tho 😫
@thawzie3 жыл бұрын
so does this mean having just the PE foam mod is better than having both?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
For me and for this keyboard, yes. I have another keyboard that's a tray mount that sounds pretty awful so I did both on it since it needs all the help it can get lol
@babybawal3 жыл бұрын
did you use a plate foam for the final sound test?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Nope. Once I started using the PE foam, I ditched the stock plate foam.
@RepGod-3 жыл бұрын
Where di you get that keycap with korean characters?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Those are the NP Crayon keycaps from KBDFans. I made a separate video on them 😁
@CMRock-xx8wx3 жыл бұрын
Any links for the US for PE Foam non-conductive that could cover a TKL and be 0.5mm or thinner? Everything on US Amazon is at best 1/16" ( 1.5mm ) or is 0.5mm but super tiny in size. Any suggestions?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Sorry I'm not in the US so I probably wouldn't be able to find anything any better than you would. This is the link that Technology Brother provided but it seems out of stock: www.amazon.com/dp/B07FMQPNZK?&linkCode=sl1&tag=technolog07e5-20&linkId=9207bd8c06af76ece2ac2ce2af50a860&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl Maybe you can check videos from other creators and see if they've provided links.
@CMRock-xx8wx3 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Yea that is the one that most people landed on, hence why it is sold out, thanks though, appreciated.
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Ahh bummer. Good luck with the search 😅
@CMRock-xx8wx3 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Thanks, the search continues ;)
@keyboardkevin59492 жыл бұрын
I put PE foam as case foam in my Tofu60. I noticed a big and nice difference. Are you sure there is no difference?
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
Well, I haven't tried it again but if it's just a single sheet with nothing else in there then it shouldn't make any difference. Not trying to discount your experience or anything.
@keyboardkevin59492 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards no worries at all. I actually used 2 layers of PE foam, I tested it compared to an empty case. To me, it removes the ping and hollowness. Adds a nice sound in my opinion
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
@@keyboardkevin5949 Nice! Pretty surprising given the tofu's cavernous case lol. I guess it goes to show you might not need to be stuffing so much dampening material to get the sound you want hehe
@keyboardkevin59492 жыл бұрын
Can you please make a video on mass loaded vinyl!!
@xokin1563 жыл бұрын
What keycaps are those @0:10?
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
NP PBT Crayon from KBDFans. I have a review video for it hehe
@jdbaker823 жыл бұрын
Great video!!!!
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@nerdy13 жыл бұрын
so was there any solution to flex lol I regret buying it as im typing on it with a brass plate + pe foam + case foam + extra gaskets lol.... what flex... but the raindrop noises
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Even with the flexiest possible configuration (PC plate, no case foam, triple gaskets, loose screws), I still couldn't feel the flex during normal typing 😅
@belphegor_dev Жыл бұрын
Flex is a gimmick. Makes a keyboard feel cheap too.
@zoneglide66653 жыл бұрын
Holee mod really recommended here? What about Epsi? With the D65 this keyboard are more flexy?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Holee mod has been pretty great for me so far. Haven't had all that much experience with Epsi. I used it on the spacebar previously and it seemed to work fine. Nothing has really made this keyboard flexy for me during typing.
@zoneglide66653 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards So what is the D65 is used for? better sounding? Maybe more thicker gaskets can do it more flexy and good sounding (or triple gasket?)
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
I tried the triple gaskets in part one. You can make the keyboard flex by pressing hard but I never felt any flex or bounce while typing. The D65 gaskets did not end up making a big difference for me since I ended up tightening everything up fully to improve sound.
@zoneglide66653 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Okay so you recommend tightened all the screws? some people take off some screws because have much of them haha.. And I think because of removing the plate foam that is more space so it is gonna to be flexy
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
I've found that more stiffness leads to better sound, at least in my opinion. Don't really care about flex anymore since I don't feel it during normal use anyway hehe
@lcll943 жыл бұрын
Did you put the PCB Plate foam on top of the PE Foam?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
I did initially but it caused some problems with the plate rising. I imagine there wouldn't be any problems if you were to use the standoffs and plate screws. I also found that the sound opened up without the stock plate foam so I just omitted it.
@lcll943 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards oh wow thanks man. this is certainly interesting that we can use the PE foam mod without the plate/pcb foam in placed and still achieve that sound
@zoneglide66653 жыл бұрын
My enter key is more muted than the other stabs you know why? when I tuning my stabs it sounds fine but when I assemble my keyboard it sounds more muted and not poppy like the other stabs.. Removing the plate foam - open up much the sound? And holee mod is really worth it even on the enter key? And I see sometimes people doing the D65 mod and replace the original gaskets and told that is more softer hehe
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Are you using the PC plate? Maybe it's because of the shrinkage from that. Yes, I found removing the plate foam opened up the sound and I prefer it that way. If you have the time and patience, I'd say go for the Holee mod on all of the stabs. It should keep them free of rattle in the long run. I've found that without it, the rattle usually returns after some time. I tried the D65 gaskets as well as the triple gaskets but didn't really feel much of that flex or softness while typing.
@zoneglide66653 жыл бұрын
I have aluminum. So what is the advantage of the D65? I have it but not install it yet.. and I think not the all areas in this keyboard sounds identical.. the standoffs is really important? I not install them
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
For me, the D65 gaskets did not provide any advantage but that's personal preference. You should just try it and see how it feels for you. I used the standoffs since I found that a stiffer keyboard produced a louder sound, which I was aiming for. But again, that's personal preference as well. I can't really tell you whether or not it's going to be good for you.
@zoneglide66653 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards I understand.. I doing the holee mod but here I have some really thin band-aid so.. I do that before some time and the band-aid right now not sticky very well.. only my enter stab is problematic right now maybe I wash this... You think I install the standoffs again without open the PCB and only remove some of my keycaps? Thanks!
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
You'll still have top open the case to install the standoffs since they slide in from under the PCB, but yes you don't have to remove any of the switches and only some of the keycaps. For the stabs, try swapping the enter stabs with shift or backspace to see if the issue moves to those keys or stays with the enter key.
@seclvded3 жыл бұрын
Any updates regarding the conductivity of the PE foam sold by betafoam?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
I ordered a multimeter to check for myself but it's probably still several days away from arriving. Meanwhile, I've been using my cheapest keyboard with the betafoam and haven't had any issues.
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Got the multimeter earlier than expected and the Betafoam is not conductive, meaning it is safe to use.
@zoneglide66653 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards And what about the original PE of the GMMK Pro?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
It's also non-conductive.
@seclvded3 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards Thank you! I've tried the mod on my KBD67 Lite and I didn't think it would make much of a difference but it did!
@chronicsynergy3 жыл бұрын
why do i not get any of this thock when i did any of these mods man what am i doing wrong :(
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Same keyboard? What's your configuration (switches, plate, foams, etc)?
@chronicsynergy3 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards wow! thanks for a quick reply. currently I'm gonna try to do what you did for the durock pom linears, because that's the kind of thock I'm after. I'm using Boba u4ts so it should be similar if not more thocky when it's done. I'll let you know when I'm finished if it's still not getting the right sound
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Gotcha. Good luck!
@chronicsynergy3 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards copied your mod exactly, and got exactly the sound i was looking for (wow this is sexy!) sorry for the bother, i wasnt expecting you to reply for much longer, so i wouldve just deleted my comment if it worked out. took a look at your sub count and noticed it was a bit low, so i did the best i could and added one to it :)
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Nice congrats! It's no bother at all. I love to help hehe. Thank you for the sub! 🙏🏼
@albioncia3 жыл бұрын
I tried rubbing the PE foam that came with the board with rubber ruler to see if it's produce static electricity. and I can't feel any static electricity coming out of that PE foam by touching it with the back of my arm and seeing if any of my arm's hair got lifted and the result is none of it lift up and I can't feel the static electricity at all so does this meant that the PE foam that came with the board already have ESD protection? can someone validate my finding or correct me if I'm wrong?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
We need an electrical engineer up in here lol. From what I've read, most people have been able to use the PE foam that came with the board with no issue. I've read some people say they had issues with unresponsive or double-pressing switches, but those might be unrelated to static. Scott from Keybored also mentioned that the GMMK Pro's PCB might be ESD-protected.
@albioncia3 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards yes we need someone who have qualifications to check this. PE foam is black magic but finding PE foam with ESD properties is difficult
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
@@albioncia Regular PE foam in general does not seem to be conductive (I had someone I trust test it with a multimeter). If you want more info, I did a lot of research on this mod and recently posted an entire video about it on my channel LOL
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
@@albioncia also please do NOT use PE foam with ESD properties. I understand why it's confusing, but ESD foam is intended to dissipate static electricity away from the product it is wrapping i.e. it is conductive, and should not be used as switch foam.
@dylan25723 жыл бұрын
how thick should the PE foam be? is it ok if its over 2 or 3mm?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
That's probably too thick. Mine is just 0.5mm. Might be able to get away with 1mm
@dylan25723 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards alright thanks for letting me know :))
@treatforme2 жыл бұрын
Hey bro do you do commission work?
@CaloysKeyboards2 жыл бұрын
I don't sorry hehe
@treatforme2 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards alright! Keep up the clean and smooth videos!
@khoitrinh93203 жыл бұрын
Pe foam mod goes crazy. Really does make it brighter. I could use that but I’ll see if anyone has made a vid about it w black inks before I open it again ahfkdhb
@khoitrinh93203 жыл бұрын
Btw vids are great hope you take off
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thanks once again! Good luck with it hehe
@CEngi3 жыл бұрын
I bought the same foam as you from betafoam it's anti static and apparently that's bad. Send me the link if you end up buying a new one 😁
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
I'm still doing some more research on this. I read that you can test conductivity using a smartphone touch screen. I tried using the betafoam to touch my phone's screen and it didn't react. With something metal, it does. So does this mean it's not conductive and therefore ok to use? I'm still not sure lol. You wouldn't happen to have a multimeter on you to test for sure? 😅
@1700tt3 жыл бұрын
What keycap is on the kbd67 lite?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
NP PBT Crayon from KBDFans hehe
@1700tt3 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards thanks!
@biancasuarez3673 жыл бұрын
nice vid!!
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@nicoprasetyo45533 жыл бұрын
What will happen if u use multiple layers of tape?
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Never even thought of doing that hehe. Not really sure as I'm not even sure how the one layer works to affect sound 😅
@nicoprasetyo45533 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards im doing it now since im really curious.. im doing 7 layers now 🤣
@nicoprasetyo45533 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards hmmm im doing it progessicely.. and 4 layers got the deepest sound.. not sure why
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
It got less deep after 4??
@nicoprasetyo45533 жыл бұрын
@@CaloysKeyboards the pitch went lower at 4 .. but higher at 7 Im not sure how.. maybe it’ll be different on other boards too
@DashzRight3 жыл бұрын
This hobby gets people to insanity lol
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
Lol true. It's fun though (for the most part 🤣).
@_vvinsanity3 жыл бұрын
PE mod for sure.
@benrise47753 жыл бұрын
This keyboard has a poor latency (about 30 ms)
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
I've never noticed 😅
@TheBjjninja Жыл бұрын
I wouldnt risk any of these mods to the keyboard. The sound difference is less than 1% to my ears. Either mod you are risking static electricity or sticky adhesive on your PCB. All painters tape tell you have to remove the tape within x number of days. Just bad ideas in my book.
@CaloysKeyboards Жыл бұрын
1.5 years later and I'm typing on the same GMMK Pro. Zero issues encountered and way more than 1% difference to my ears. No regrets 😎
@cooldotamen3 жыл бұрын
I've been struggling finding fabric band-aids here in Ph, do you have a video using leftover stabilizer pads for holee mod? Anyways i think the tempest tape mod has its benefits as it covers the scratchy sound of gateron milky yellows. I think i'll try both with PE foam and Tempest.
@CaloysKeyboards3 жыл бұрын
I tried the KBDFans stabilizer foam pads for holee mod in part 1 but they made the stabs way too heavy-feeling even after breaking in. Yeah, with any of these mods it's going to depend on the specific keyboard and even the user's perception so it's good to try it out yourself 😊