Djokovic era vs Federer era - The Ultimate Comparison

[@vijay00071]

Someone who deals exclusively with numbers as a profession and passion I can tell you making these stats is not easy, it takes nights of research and not to forget the video editing, it's so so smooth. I cannot appreciate you any more, I've shared subscribed and tell me what else I can do. Any help with numbers I'll help you out brother.

[@GaryLyons]

Boy this is really going to piss the 40-15 people off 😂

[@PythonicMindset]

we will not see a generation as hard as Djokovik's. 1 GS won in an era like this is worth more than 1 GS won in any other era. Without a doubt, he is the best player of all time.

[@nexxogen]

Who is DjokoviK?

[@waynehendricks1529]

I love how you have decided to tackle a most challenging problem of determining the quality of a player in an era. Excellent!

[@AbhishekRaj-fk8cq]

Excellent analysis man! I can only imagine the great effort you have put in to make this video.

[@Filip-dg6uk]

Oh boy how i will promote this reality to cult of the damned called federer fans hahahhaha

[@noahkhimasia6437]

@@Filip-dg6uk yeah! I’m a fed fan but numbers don’t lie!

[@mike_404]

@@Filip-dg6uk toxic

[@sonicmoj1]

Facts!!

[@profesorz642]

@@scottwarren4998 Also the reason why nadal leads in slams h2h is because they played more then half of their slam matches at roland garos, which means novak was good enough to reach nadal at the latter stages of his favourite slam almost every time, while nadal was rarely good enough to reach novak on his favourite slam and surface. the score could be much different had thay faced each other more often at AO and wimbldon

[@draganastojanovic-novicic7026]

Absolutely fascinating analysis! Congratulations for your extreme efforts and all the skills you needed for this accomplishment.

[@letrantrung1]

Everyone should spread this analysis to the dumb ATP organizers

[@TheseHoesAreLoyal]

​@@letrantrung1 ATP earned lots of money during all these years by robbing the less-ranked players of their deserved income and because of Federer and Nadal's overhyped popularity. Now they have more than enough budget to hire politics into the equation, no way they will care about facts and the truth as shown in this video. Sadly but gladly, this makes Novak supporters all the more special - Novak fans prove themselves capable of winnowing out the truth from all the bias and lies that the world revolves around.

[@djoleluk]

The only fair way to determine success. Stats. Great job Goatkovic.

[@celestedelaflor5984]

In tennis yes, in teams sports no

[@natashas9026]

100% correct

[@hristijandimitrovski8664]

​@@celestedelaflor5984yes

[@natashas9026]

In the GOAT discussion, it is important to take into consideration relevant facts that both Roger & Rafa have had FOURTEEN significant advantages to help them over Novak in their tennis careers. The so called “objective” experts, analysts, commentators and media generally fail to mention this. Both Roger & Rafa grew up in privileged environments in Switzerland and Spain with proper facilities to learn and train. Novak grew in a poor war torn country with almost no facilities to learn or train. In fact his parents had to schedule his training to avoid constant bombing raids. Both Roger & Rafa had easy soft childhoods with little or no pressure place on them in their affluent environments. Novak grew up poor and his parents invested all they had for his career. Novak knew at an early age tennis for him was a duty, not simply a privilege or for fun. He fully understood before he was a teenager the massive weight place on his shoulders of his whole family depending on him to succeed in his pro career Both Roger & Rafa started their careers 5 & 2 years before Novak, which gave both of them a big head start in the race for GOAT. Both Roger & Rafa had the backing of the billion dollar industry of the big sponsors pushing the narrative of them being the best. Both Roger & Rafa had the backing of the TV commentators to continue to push the narrative of them being the best. Both Roger & Rafa had the backing of the media to promote them as the most popular and best ever. Novak was generally ignored or dismissed. Both Roger & Rafa had the backing of the Internet analysts to promote them. Novak was generally shunned most of his career Both Roger & Rafa had the backing of the court-side fans. During his entire career, anytime Novak played against Roger or Rafa, 90-98% of the crowds favored them over Novak. In fact, the hostile crowds many times constantly tried to harass, taunt, and disrupt Novak during course of his matches against both Roger & Rafa. It is absolutely astonishing when you consider the fact that Novak has reached the pinnacle as the GOAT in tennis inspite of the significant

[@akin1989]

One of the best comments I've read on youtube in a long time. A very solid and compelling argument. 👏

[@gru9480]

you have done so much justice with this one comment, without demonizing rafa and roger either, kudos to you

[@Mart7155]

Muy cierto!

[@giladpachter4546]

Also, Novak seems to always have the most unfavorable draw possible on his way to winning titles - both in opponents and in schedules. This was most glaringly obvious in the 2021 UO. everyone he faced was tougher than anyone Medvedev had to cope with and while Medvedev got the earlier matches Djokovic got the later matches.

[@jidao882]

Good comment but it's false to say that Rafa always had the support of the crowd while playing Novak. Most of the time, it was pretty even between the two.

[@djfunkychicken]

Djokovic has spent more weeks ranked #1 than his total combined weeks ranked #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8 and #9

[@brankazivkovich2563]

Outstanding, complex and well-argued analysis. Congratulations on removing all doubts and dilemmas. Big business. Congratulations! And of course, I'm waiting for the next one.

[@charlie172011]

I'm gonna leave this here to make it more visible. I hope you don't mind. I appreciate the effort put into this video a lot, but I'll just say it: the conclusions are wrong, because the researcher is misunderstanding the information the analysis is giving him. He didn't prove that Djokovic's era is stronger, he proved that the difference in level between the best players and the not so best is bigger in Djokovic's era than in Federer's era. That doesn't mean the best players from the Djokovic era are better than the best from the Federer era. I could argue that they are at the same level, but the best players from the Djokovic era have better numbers because they all faced a weaker competition (the not so best in the Djokovic era being weaker than the not so best in the Federer era). To make it easy to understand. Let's say we have a player that in a given era wins 10 GS, and then we have 10 players that win 1 GS each, on a different era. I could argue that the other 10 are better than the first one, even though they only have 1 GS each, because I could say that this happened only because they had to face each other in the same era (and there wasn't enough titles for everyone). Conclusion: you can't measure the tennis level by comparing achievements, this only gives you information about the difference in level between a certain amount of players from the same era, but does not inform you if they were all better or worst than players from another era. This can only be analyze subjectively, by watching tennis and trying to figure out which players were stronger.

[@VladaBB]

@@charlie172011 Those people were in big 3 era and won more than other players in Federer era, stronger competition and stronger era. What u said is nonsence especially when u watch other videos of this series

[@charlie172011]

@@VladaBB Judging by your comment, you didn't understand mine.

[@VladaBB]

@@charlie172011 Players in later times are ofc going to be much stronger as the game evolves, not only game but equipment too. You just spouted some nonsense up there. He literally proved that players Roger faced never peaked in his era and u would more than likely get the same from analysing their matces. "He didn't prove that Djokovic's era is stronger, he proved that the difference in level between the best players and the not so best is bigger in Djokovic's era than in Federer's era. That doesn't mean the best players from the Djokovic era are better than the best from the Federer era. I could argue that they are at the same level, but the best players from the Djokovic era have better numbers because they all faced a weaker competition (the not so best in the Djokovic era being weaker than the not so best in the Federer era)". One of the most retarded comments i've ever read(didnt want to be rude but my god dude this is just stupid). Also your "Conclusion: you can't measure the tennis level by comparing achievements, this only gives you information about the difference in level between a certain amount of players from the same era, but does not inform you if they were all better or worst than players from another era. This can only be analyze subjectively, by watching tennis and trying to figure out which players were stronger". How can u not measure lvl by comparing achievments, its that the point of GOAT Debate, no one compares their performance cuz Djokovic is clear victorious there, thats why u all say 1 Slam and 1 Gold medal>Golden Masters x2, More overall masters, more ATP finals, Alot more weeks at No1.

[@jimmysp4des229]

​@charlie172011 I understood your comment, and you're completely wrong, you wish the players were weaker, but novak played far superior competition. I'd give you a bone if the stats were close, but they were not close at all.that can be explained away. Be a better person, and stop lying. Novak is GOAT, JUST ACCEPT IT.

[@agnishwarraychaudhuri1611]

You just gained a subscriber. Great analysis. The best way to analyse the GOAT debate (purely on stats).

[@SuperMirtel]

you deserve way more credit than you already did for making this video and putting in all this effort. Great analysis! and im a #fedfan

[@mariophilippo2871]

And sorry then u can frame it just fοr the sake of stats great job !fed is the king he has changed the face of sport the style the elegance even the sponsorships ! He is the king as a figure in tennis he made history we will always go back to the the Federer era! Always not under estimating nadal and Novak but he marked an era that made history in the sport!just like we always go back to Bjorn Borg !like in F1 Schumacher will be a point of reference !even we will always go Back To the era of Navratilova and steffi Graf !

[@mariophilippo2871]

Great job but the point of reference will always be the Federer era !he was on a different level And has make history !we will always refer to the Federer era no matter how many more come after him !

[@toms9864]

@@mariophilippo2871 Federer played for about 20 years and dominated for 3 years. I will take Djokovic anyday with his dominance since 2011. That is really impressive and the reason why people feel Djokovic is the GOAT.

[@nikolakostic1310]

@@toms9864 Excatly, my point as well. That shows a real statement, testament to the Djokovic greatness,13 consecutive years plus 80 % wins seasons. I dont recall where that happen in any other sport of some great champions. In tennis Novak is the only one who did it. Its purely delusional, when somebody can still say that Djokovic is not above Federer and Nadal or any other past greats.People live in their dreams, but the reality is when they wake up, they cant deny anything else , as is seen that Novak Djokovic is the best of them all, of course the greatest tennis player for now. If somebody comes along and beats all that he has done,than we can talk otherwise. But now Djokovic is the Goatkovic .

[@toms9864]

The same people, who are arguing that Djokovic is not the GOAT, are the fans that were trying to negatively influence his matches. They are Fetterer fans. Those Fetterer fans would now have us believe that Fetterer is the greatest because he is so smooooooth and loved. LOL!@@nikolakostic1310

[@henry2e650]

Great video man couldnt believe you have less than 500 subscribers the analysis and formatting is amazing!! Keep it up :)

[@brandonm8901]

As a data analyst I enjoy these videos. There are some metrics that I don't think are as quantitative or comparable as stated, but I do agree with the majority of this

[@pleaseenteraname1103]

As a Federer I got a say the argument that Djokovic benefitd from a week era is one of the weakest argument I’ve ever heard against Djokovic. Djokovic had to deal with Federer, Nadal, Murray, Del Potro, Wawrinka, also Dominic Thiem, Medvedev, and now Alcaraz, Federer biggest opponents early on were Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, and Ferrero.

[@thefat400]

Kyrgios. "a social media personality who occasionally plays tennis" 🤣🤣🤣

[@iccatrom00]

Absolutely a monumental analysis... stats don't lie... let's not even consider the "crowd effect" which Djokovic had to and still is playing against most of the time!! Would be interesting to make same analysis with Rafa.. since now he has 21 GS.. which i believe is probably the only record he holds at the moment against Djokovic + 1 olympic gold medal... :)

[@alexandern4140]

very convincing - i don't know how anyone can argue with these stats

[@danmalic6688]

one cannot

[@catalinapedroza8761]

Amazing well done! Discussion is over! Novak is THE GOAT!

[@iitk68]

An important stats, which boggles my mind: Before Fed started dominating in 2004, there were EIGHT different champions in the last EIGHT grand slams (2002-2003).

[@jjsyphor8288]

Because there was no clear standout at the time and tho there were 8 diff champs, they were still elites and not randoms. What's a more interesting fact is how Nadal and Djokovic are dominating in the "Next Gen" era with no resistance. 2016-2018 when Nadal and Djokovic turned 30 and were slowing down, nobody ever took the reigns from them. 2016 to now is the next gen era, a lot of top players now weren't around in the 2011-2016 era. Yet none of these next gens can take the reigns from 2 out of prime legends. doesn't that show you how weak the 2016-2022 era is? Even roger won three times post 2016 and he was much older. If Roger played the players from 2016-2022 when he turned 30 years old, he'd have won even more titles. When Roger left his prime he had to challenge Prime Stan, Prime Nadal, Prime Novak, Prime Andy. All who could have won slams in any era. When Nadal and Novak left their prime, they had much easier competition.

[@ben1147]

@@jjsyphor8288 Yes, but the whole point of this video was that Federer benefited from this same lack of competition at the beginning of his career even nadal and djokovic are benefitting from it (less so, as the stats show) at the end of theirs.

[@casey4664]

It wasn't weak until Federer raised the level of the game and destroyed them.

[@commodorezero]

You could easily use this stat to suggest the era was more competitive not less. The whole argument to grade an era could easily be viewed the exact opposite way. There were more people succeeding and a lot of truly great players who were ranked in the top 5 were not making grand slam finals like Henman, Haas, Grosjean and Davdenko who were a combined 0-18 in GS semis.

[@Whatreally123]

​@@casey4664use the same logic for Djokovic and his performance is even better. That's a stupid argument that Federer stopped others from becoming great.

[@LeadershipAlliance]

Absolutely masterful multi-spectrum statistical analysis. Unbiased, objective and pure. Bravo and thank you Goatkovic 🏆

[@reljaurosevic1522]

This is by far the best analysis I've watched on the tennis matter. And I've watched plenty. Thank you for this and keep up the good work. Like & Sub

[@generalvuk8291]

I can only imagine the time it took for these videos. I appreciate them all!

[@abcmagnusopum1291]

Excellent analysis kudos to you ❤

[@Yolitatennis]

Splendid work! I’m looking forward to the next ones. I’m really impressed! 👏

[@johnnyparrales7078]

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[@vijay00071]

Share on Twitter, this needs more coverage guys

[@vijay00071]

@Yolita shared on Twitter? -Vijay Krishna

[@flash-uj6ly]

Roger Federer won 16 grand slams when Novak Djokovic won his first grand slam. Federer won 4 more and Djokovic won 19 more.

[@vasilepavlica6259]

3 of which while Djokovic was injured, and when Djokovic returned he never won

[@Eyesonly302]

What do you mean? Djokovic won AO 2008, Federer had 12 gs by them, the number 12 was against djokovic in uso 2007, what you probably want to say its federer had 16 gs when djokovic became number 1 ranking for the first time

[@gotimlol5318]

17 of Djokovic's 20 slams came after Federer's 30th birthday. Hmmm

[@vasilepavlica6259]

@@gotimlol5318 Djokovic has now won 8 slams after the age of 30. Federer won 16 slams before Djokovic's appearance in 2011 and only 4 since then, 4 slams in 10 years, isn't that ridiculous? He has only won 4 slams after the age of thirty 3 of which while Djokovic was absent or 2 AO 2017/2018 which is the home of Djokovic and Wimbledon 2017 where with Djokovic he lost 3 finals out of 3 memories?. Do you understand or need a more detailed description. Hmmm 🤣🤣🤣

[@natashas9026]

@@gotimlol5318 lhmmm? Really? So what? Look what Novak has done in his 30s.

[@saxosun11]

Excellent analysis... 2011- present is the strongest era. No doubt about it Statistics speak itself.

[@andrejbernard3021]

Novak Djokovic = GOAT (and in the future)!!!

[@travisbickle5279]

djokovic has in his era from 2011-16 a 41-19 h2h against federer and nadal. federer has in his era from 2004-10 a 21-20 h2h against djokovic and nadal.

[@ventanasdelalma7623]

Not really, 2008 and 2010 were Nadal years, so Was 2013...

[@Summon256]

One or two multi-slam years versus Federer’s 2004-2007 as well as 2009! 2 multi slam seasons of Federer versus Two of Nadal! Likewise since 2011 till 2016! 2013 the only multi-slam two slam season of Nadal versus 2 3-slam seasons of Djokovic in 2011 and 2015 respectively as well as one 2slam season in 2016, wrapped up by the non-calendar year grand slam, which Nadal never had! Both decades were dominated by Federer and Djokovic, except for clay! In both eras Nadal was acting like a 2nd gear, mostly dominating one surface…

[@ScottDrumsetArtist]

These are excellent points. I prefer not to discuss/argue who's the GOAT, but rather who's my favorite. That is an emotional choice more than anything.

[@OkieDoke-mo1co]

"But don't be a cry baby about the stats. Choosing different stats would not help you." had me dying laughing 😂

[@ernestojr.acosta972]

Novak transcends all eras. He is the GOAT!

[@gomriria2197]

The question is you prefer watch a Federer match or djokovich match? The answer is clear Federer is the most entertaining. The high percentage style of defensive players like djokovich and Nadal is great for results but not as much entertaining period

[@wack2904]

@@gomriria2197 I don’t think that’s a valid argument for who’s the goat because what’s your basically saying is Federer is the goat because you like his play style more.

[@gomriria2197]

@@wack2904 yes like maradona is the goat in football Federer style inventions sabr neo backhand serve volley etc... what will generations remember from djokovich? Ah he won titles ok..

[@matijasimeunovic8145]

@@gomriria2197 the silver surfer gliding volley, the running head down backhand diagonal winners, the lob, the crazy catch up net diagonals, the living on edge break and match point saves in the most exciting moments against greatest rivals. Dude. This guy has provided so much excitement over the years that I have literally WHILE WATCHING realized that I can tell this match to my grandchildren one day...

[@wack2904]

@@gomriria2197 Again man I agree that federer is entertaining to watch but I'm saying it doesn't matter if djokovic boring to you. "Ah he won titles ok" I'm assuming your saying thats all he did, your not wrong he will be remembered for winning the most titles in the history in tennis, more than federer. He will pass 20 slams and you know it thats why federer fans are talking about his federers style and not the stats. Tennis is not an art, it a sport, number don't lie.

[@mauroger86]

We can all agree that Roger was the first dominant champion of the recent era, with an elegant, lethal, versatile style of play and a sort of aura if invincibility (he finished 2006 season with 93 wins and 2 losses, thats crazy). Nole took the game to a whole different level in all possible angles (results, performance, versatility, defense, offense) becoming almost invincible in a time we did not expect someone to top Federer and be a consistent champion, and not a seasonal champion like other players who shine in 1 tournament every 3 years. On top of that, there is Nadal. I think a long time will pass until we have the best 3 tennis players in the history of the sport playing in the same era. That never happened before and will hardly happen again. Nole is the GOAT, no doubts about that. But all 3 (Nole, Roger and Rafa) are the best in history, with Nole at the top.

[@Summon256]

The fuck you are talking about?! Lol Federer suffered 5 losses in 2006, not 2! Lmao

[@Summon256]

And it’s not even 93 victories either, it is - 92! Lol

[@DrFearfall]

Wrong lol. Federer or Rafa GOAT

[@guruk]

But bjorn won 148 and lost only 1 match in an unknown year. Shi* anything and get away with it.. If u have fellow shitters along with u.

[@dylanwyatt-brown3624]

@@DrFearfall did you actually watch the video or are you just Blind aha?

[@catalinapedroza8761]

Thank you 😊 for this amazing research of facts! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@ivordundic6095]

Absolutely amazing video. No matter if it sounds like you're a Djokovic fan, but it seems like you're trying to convince people of why you think Djokovic is the best, in a great video. You've searched every detail, taken every relevant stat and number into account to factually prove why he's the goat. I needed this, I'm tired of trying to explain to difficult Fed fans why the opponents Djokovic had to deal with such as Fed, Nadal, Murray (greatest tennis 4 of all time), Wawrinka, Medvedev, Del Potro etc are tougher than players like Roddick, Safin, Hewitt and Davydenko lol. Even if Djokovic had his biggest success before the Next Gen came onto the stage, ref 2011 (jan-july 2011 with the insane Djokovic records of 43 unbeaten record, 4 out of 5 masters victorier (didn't play the one he didn't win so basically 4/4) was before any of top 4 were 30 years old so the argument of old Fed doesn't work, and that period of Djokovic is arguably the greatest level and feat of tennis ever) Question; 14:42 Why is Nadal i red meaning Fed era, while his ELO says 2013 in Djokovic era?

[@goatkovic]

Because I highlighted in red Federer's greatest rivals from his era. The point was that none of them except Safin peaked in Federer's era.

[@ivordundic6095]

@@goatkovic oohhh, so Nadal being Fed’s greatest rival, wasn’t even on his peak in the Fed-era, but reached it first in 2013, after Fed-era?

[@goatkovic]

@@ivordundic6095 That's right.

[@p.c.k.m.h690]

to be honest, I don't care who the goat is, I've been hearing this for 30 years now! if you like it's Djokovic, great player, no questions asked. but if you're bothering to compare statistics, then please do it right! highest ELO e.g. the system has changed several times in the last 20 years, so you cannot compare the ELO from RF from 2005 and the ELO from ND from 2015; they are different Likewise, the Masters titles were rated differently in 2005 than in 2015. and in addition RF always played in his home tournament in Basel (now Masters 250,500?) and always skipped Paris (Masters 1000) tournament. so he can considers the greatest because he likes to play at home? you also say that you have all the important records, but you skip the 105 titles from RF (2nd behind jimmy conners)? or the 40 times in a row GS semi-finals (or something like that) my question and I know it's hard for a fan, but try to make this video again as neutral as possible and involved with History. Players like Rod Laver, Björn Borg, Pete Sampres and others for tennis fans who have been watching longer than the last 20 years are also eligible for the goat, if there is one. then I like your video too greetings from Switzerland PS: i tried to watch the video but it is so horrible. may I ask since when have you been watching tennis? because your knowledge of tennis is disastrous!

[@p.c.k.m.h690]

and you compared M.Baghdatis with Caspar Ruud, hahahahahah How.......sorry buddy but you have no F clue about Tennis.

[@alextabet9247]

Love the analysis. Spot on in so many ways. Hilarious comments too. Well done!

[@byrne21]

Top stuff, well done! Keep them coming!

[@aliasraonic]

really cool analysis, great way to think about it. appreciate the upload, it clarifies a lot of stuff in a way that puts the fact straight with minimal bias

[@marghubarostami6547]

I am a big Nadal Fan. But even i have to admit that Djokovic is the most complete Tennis Player of all time

[@msaw504]

I would argue that Roger Federer is the most complete player of all time. Djokovic on the other hand has less tools in his arsenal but he is more consistent and focused on them.

[@yanair2091]

@@msaw504 Both Rafa and Novak had defensive tools that Roger simply didn't possess. If Roger was more complete AND had more tools than the other two, then he would have be winning his matches against them. Your argument is not good.

[@msaw504]

@@yanair2091 Bro, Rafa has himself said this multiple times that Roger is the more complete player compared to himself

[@rooibaard365]

You're the dombest vakher I've ever heard of. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@asharajbhar1176]

​@@yanair2091if you compare rafa and Djokovic then it would be alright coz only one age difference.. But if you compare fed and Novak..there will always be inconsistency because of the 6 yrs difference.it is actually a difference..you can't avoid looking that ..that is also a reason that Novak has to face stiff competition from fed more than rafa in the goat debate. The age difference will always be brought up whether anybody likes it or not..that's how it is .

[@hernanriffoespinosa4233]

This is awesome, incredible work 🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@jimmyjoe1591]

Amazing to see these numbers at the end of 2023 and see how much he has done in one year.

[@stanleykwan7759]

Now we can replace 2016 with 2023 in the best seasons category and the result is even more obvious. Better yet, make it a 10 or 12 best seasons comparison. After all, Being the greatest is all about sustained excellence over a long period of time. A 4-5 year peak is just 25-30% of your career, wouldn't a non-peak performance be an even better metric?

[@avev527]

​​​​@@stanleykwan7759Djokovic wins the comparison due to 2016 because of murray stats. If you replace 2016 he will lose the comparison. As per this guy Djokovic era is the strong era because he allowed Murray to peak in a year where fedal were injured but Federer era is weak bcos he prevented roddick and Nadal to peak.

[@aleksandarradenkovic4333]

Well done. The best comparation video I ever saw.

[@AbhishekRaj-fk8cq]

Conclusion- Djokovic is the GOAT of tennis.

[@mclovin7446]

wrorng

[@j2theosh6969]

@@mclovin7446 yes you are, its alright

[@edubielalpizar4391]

for some not for others

[@milan.bodytransform]

@@edubielalpizar4391 For some he is the GOAT, and for statistics he is the Ultimate GOAT. 😁😃

[@gigliolavaccari7482]

@@j2theosh6969 I mean he is one of the most boring players I have ever seen play but ok

[@olivierdurand2929]

Great job bro ! The amont of work is just insane and the video is very clear and well presented.

[@omairshahzadalam]

Really good analysis! While I do agree that 2004-2007 was Federer’s peak era, I’d be curious to re-run your number if you drop 2007 and include 2017. That would bring a lot of the players that peaked closed to some of Djokovic’s prime years.

[@goatkovic]

I might just take a screen shot of your comment for one of the upcoming videos when we go over 2017 in detail. There's plenty to discuss about that season.

[@omairshahzadalam]

Looking forward to the video!

[@Windows7x]

we should also include 2017, exactly

[@lpr5269]

Up to 2007 Roger was 12-2 in Grand Slam Finals. (The 2 losses were to Nadal at The French Open) After that he went 8-9. (4 Losses against Nadal, 4 against Djokovic, and 1 against Juan Martin Del Potro)

[@toms9864]

@@lpr5269 Federer won 8 slams in his last 15 years and 3 of them were when Djokovic was not playing because of injuries in 2017 - 2018. If Djokovic wasn't injured, the GOAT debate would have been over a long time ago.

[@danielgeorgetheoneandonly]

I wish there was one of this for Serena and graf. I really love Djokovic and Serena and I find it unfair when people try to take away their status as the “GOAT”

[@goatkovic]

Interesting idea. I could do this for any two players.

[@dzailibu]

@@goatkovic Graf has no business being there. Peak Graf was owned by 18-19 year old Monika.

[@goatkovic]

@@dzailibu Monika should and would have been the best ever.

[@piotrwolski6650]

@@goatkovic if Monica had not been stabbed Graf would not even win 15 GS. And Seles would win 25 GS at least.

[@goatkovic]

@@scottwarren4998 Nadal only leads that because they played most of the slam matches in RG.

[@Smileater]

It’s great to have now a video to refer people to, when they come up with the “stats don’t benefit Djokovic”. Amazing analysis video, I’m subscribing!

[@AbhishekRaj-fk8cq]

I think one of the best part of the video is at 17:23

[@mlrd2687]

Federer has repeatedly stated that Djokovic and Nadal made him a better player. This means that Federer has admitted that he reached his peak in an era that was not his own. Bravo for the video! You destroyed every argument they made.

[@stefanvasilache5252]

Djokovic got this good because he had Federer and Nadal. Without them, he would strugle now with the young ones.

[@asud2571]

I've watch Fed play since 1999...and to me his level in 2014/2015 was the highest

[@SebastianKopacz]

@@asud2571 yeah I remember 2015 season it felt like he was the only guy able to stop Djokovic from winning literally everything. Wawrinka and Murray played some of their best tennis too and managed to win against Djokovic once each. Federer won 3 times.

[@danijel4526]

Svaka cast! Ali stvarno - Svaka cast! Nasao sam svoj omiljeni video na celom YT 😊

[@guruk]

Extremely well analyzed 👏👏👏

[@Xerkun]

The use of the best 4 seasons for each player is ingenious way of leveling their stats.

[@vincenzofranchelli2201]

Djokovic now won a Slam final against Ruud. 3 people have lol. Who saw that coming in 2021

[@cn7abc]

The world needs more people like you

[@bigfoot7480]

Brilliant Analysis brother🙏👍....

[@travisbickle5279]

i mean even my agassi won from 1999-2003 more grandslams then hewitt, safin and roddick all together from 1999-2003.

[@King_K_Rool_]

People really like to crap on Murray, but the stats clearly speak for themselves. Super underrated player

[@AtmosphericAtmosphere]

Well that explain why Djokovic era is stronger Murray from Djokovic era would have over 10 GS in any other era

[@brandonm8901]

Yeah Murray is 13th of UTS' all time GOAT list, and had the 9th highest ELO rating of the Open Era. The quality of tennis he played in 2016 to become number one (then stay there for almost a year) was incredible

[@Saskobest]

@@brandonm8901 Did Murray start playing tennis after 2011? He already played in different era(Federer's era) and didnt win a single slam and only reached one final.Is it coincidence many players somehow reached their peak after 25,26 years during Novak's so called tough era? David Ferer(same age as Fed) was barely a top 10 player in Federer's era and became a top 5/6 player in 2010/2014-15,Wawrinka who is barely younger than Fed reached his best years during Novak's prime(almost 30 years old Waw), same goes for Soderling who reached peak at 25 and then retired lol,Tsonga reached peak "elo" at 26 also during Novak's years, same goes for Berdych his best period was after his Final at wimbledon 2010, And the argument that Nishikori would be an all time great if he was from an another era is laughable.Not a huge sample size but he lost all matches against old injured Roddick and Hewitt, has an abysmall record vs the big3 and somehow he and Medvedev had "higher" elo than Safin, the guy who demolished Sampras on his home turf as a teenager

[@V_tamburino]

​@@Saskobestits normal for people to reach their prime from 25-29. Your argument makes no sense

[@Saskobest]

@@V_tamburino no its not normal, read every stat, every statement from almost every pro coach/player and team stuff. Peak age for almost all athletes are mid 20's. 28 and above are considered past peak and at 30 start to think about retirement

[@nigelpop]

Amazing video, can't believe you put in the work to find all these statistics and make it into one whole video, can't wait till more people watch it and will accept the truth.

[@CopR8r]

you're the best of the best tennis analycist youtuber out there. congrats for this very solid data

[@PassingShot]

Damn. This is a profound and exact analisys. I thought it was going to be biased because of the channel who uploaded it, but actually it’s pretty objective. Congrats for that

[@michaeltrumph121]

It is a very good analysis, but what you have to consider is that 2004-2007 was played in much faster surfaces, and there were huge differences between tournament court speeds, Wimbledon - French Open - Australian - ATP Finals - Miami etc.... From 2011 onwards, the courts were practically identical, and that helped the rest of the good players, the top 10, top 15 contenders to be more consistent and have better overall results. Court speeds (especially hard court speeds) slowed down significantly in the 2010 - 2020 decade, which helped Djokovic's game (longer rallies) and hurt Federer's game (finish the point quickly and precisely).

[@JoeV03]

Amazing video! Subscribed!!!

[@nikolakostic1310]

Goatkovic is an analyzist Genius.....everything perfectly explained. i ve been talking this for years. The Goatkovic putted all on the table. KEEP THEM COMIN. I LOVE THIS STATS. INCREDIBLE STUFF.

[@danield.7359]

Novak is far beyond anyone else in the tennis circus because he stood up for freedom, bodily integrity and for (real) science whereas most other players just cowardly complied and even threw dirt at him (Federer, Nadal and Tsitsipas). So to compare Novak with any of these guys is an insult.

[@matthewhing4885]

Yes, an insult to them

[@toms9864]

It is hard to argue with your analysis.

[@sputnik8543]

Im a fed fan - but Djokovic is goat - no two ways about it. And for those saying Djokovic is winning in a weak era: - a.) this supposed weak era is way more competitive than the 2004-2007 era when Federer racked up 11 slams against Hewitt/Roddick/Gonzalez/Baghdatis and even then struggled against a less mature Nadal B.) this isnt a weak era - Djokovic beating players that should be in their prime - Thiem/ Medvedev/ Tsitsipas (all superior games to Roddick who was nothing without the serve and hewitt etc that had a rally ball landing in the middle of the court lol) C.) The fed being old doesnt hold up - Djokovic in 2009 beat Federer 3 times in one of federers supposedly best seasons lol D.) Fed may be old - but djokovic and Nadal are same age and djokovic consistently dominates Nadal on any other surface besides clay - (Nadal also dominated Federer on every surface in his prime - 2008 FO final, 2008 Wimbledon Final, 2009 Australian Open Final) E.) Western media also biased so heavily favours Federer especially @ elitist tournaments like Wimbledon (where he will most likely equal or break Federers 8 Wimbledon titles)

[@JamesGuides]

There's no doubt Djokovic is the GOAT. I still prefer Federer's playstyle because it's just beautiful to watch, but Nole is the man and he deserves a lot more credit, and I sure hope he stays on top a few more years and improves his incredible record even further, just to shut up those unfair critics.

[@boxerboy860]

The thing is most of the guys in Djokovic could beat him at any given time they all have the game Tsisipas,cilic,rublev,sinner,alcaraz,wawrinka,medvedev,zverev,berrettini,Murray,Delpo if Djokovic has 1 off day he’s done 9/10 I mean cmon guys you can’t be serious!See unlike you guys I’ve been following tennis and watching all the slams and important tournaments since 2005 I don’t need KZbin to tell me who was trash and who had game I saw all the trash😂

[@Fighting-Spirit7]

This need more views, video is brilliant.

[@a_l_e_k_sandra]

Ladies and gentlemen, as far as 2021 goes, case closed. But you know what is the best part? NOVAK IS NOT DONE. Stay tuned.

[@MagicMiso]

Djokovic Goat Federer Weak Era It's so clear!

[@travisbickle5279]

ok, then we djokovic fans have the right to says, that novak was to young from 2003wimbledon -2010 Australian open...i mean 16-22 age novak was in that time in the age when federers was playing the season 1997-2003

[@catalinapedroza8761]

😂😂😂Nole was not even playing in the ATP😂😂

[@SokTamo]

Wow! Fascinating! Thanks man! I didnt know about your channel, subscribed. :)

[@11lawpt1]

Great video and Novak is definitely the goat with stats or not, I mean just look at his achievements!!! I think the reason why most people think the era is weak now is mainly due to how a post-prime federer was able to win against many of the next gen players and grabbed 3 slams during djokovic’s absences. I mean if djokovic is not here federer would still be winning slams before his surgery (2019 Wimbledon as an example). So if a post-prime federer can cause so much trouble in the modern era, people naturally assume a prime federer living now will win everything.

[@DejanDespotovićDespot]

Brilliant analysis. Congratulations!!!

[@spacefreak3491]

Thank's for enlightening all the hypocrites out there, even though they won't except this result !

[@vegeta1729]

Absolutely amazing analysis!

[@AsifKhan-yn2wp]

Djokovic is the Goat of Tennis. Stats say it. - Fed fan here.

[@warriorsilver2442]

why don't you think Fed is? Stats are just a metric

[@AsifKhan-yn2wp]

@@warriorsilver2442 Based on the statistics, Novak is currently ahead of the other two, but everybody has their personal favorites. We all can have subjective opinions and consider many different metrics to measure the greatness, but obviously what most people do consider while deciding the GOAT debate is, how much a player has achieved on court. But, this opinion of mine doesn't make me any less of a Fed fan.

[@warriorsilver2442]

@@AsifKhan-yn2wp I see,that was pretty much a nice and unbiased comment from a Fed fan I haven't seen for so long!

[@AsifKhan-yn2wp]

@@warriorsilver2442 Honestly, I am a fan of big 3 and tennis in general. But my personal favorite is Fed.

[@warriorsilver2442]

@@AsifKhan-yn2wp ah no worries. You are still better than a lot of other Fed's personal favorites who claimed he is the goat of tennis because stats don't matter

[@stefantodorovikj6165]

Statistics on point. Well done mate

[@yacovmitchenko1490]

That's a no-brainer. Of course Djokovic's era is stronger. By far!!!

[@GeroNimo-pk1fb]

As they say:" Numbers don't lie ".

[@johnnyparrales7078]

This video will destroy and make cry many Federer fans...amazing analysis 👏👏👏

[@lalitharavindran]

Great video guys!

[@thestuff8023]

The Sampras Era in the 90s is stronger. Faster courts, more variety of players and strong equally versatile players.

[@AtmosphericAtmosphere]

No it is not it is bunch of service voley players exempt Agassi that is why he performed well cause he is the for me father of new wave of tennis players and style

[@lalitharavindran]

Federer is benefiting from PR activities.

[@LeoF30]

Bravo man

[@alkazerouni]

just amazing job you did to compare the two simply amazing

[@venize3050]

Nadal won 81 consecutive clay court matches from mid 2005 to mid 2007, that streak was broken by Federer.

[@pk-manijak2422]

WOW amazing,Federer never beat Nadal on RG...SHAME,SHAME,SHAME!!!

[@serveplusone]

valid stats and analysis, great video! - a fed fan

[@nicholasrl2355]

Top notch work

[@Xerkun]

This video is eye-opening!

[@4lugan]

Come on : Djokoivic's era has been more competitive

[@shanxutube]

Brilliant video! A very compelling argument that Djokovic is the GOAT!

[@flok8330]

Brate, pamtim tvoje komentare sa nekih klipova gde smo zajedno debunkovali fedal delusional theories. Jedan sam od tvojih prvih subscribera I poceo sam da delim tvoje klipove kao odgovore na idiotske komentare kad naletim na njih. Hvala ti od srca za ovaj video! Objasnio si!

[@goatkovic]

Hvala brate 👍

[@josequintero8615]

Now imagine adding Alcaraz and Sinner to Djokovic stats. Looking at this, it seems like Federer had a cakewalk during his prine 😂

[@samuelkarlberg7773]

Federer and Nadal fans wants to cherry-pick performances where the result went in their favour. The truth is that outside of clay there has never been a more accomplished player then Novak Djokovic.

[@mamba24ever8]

I do think an inherent flaw in this video is that when comparing the achievements of players in different eras, you have to take into account that other players achieved less because they were losing to either Djokovic or Federer. I think evaluating the frequency to which players in each era were losing to “weaker opponents” would add better context, instead of just looking at their slam and big titles count, peak season/rating etc

[@mamba24ever8]

Also regarding ELO rating, I think these next gen guys could have higher ELO ratings compared to Federer generation players because the Big 3 now don’t play in as many tournaments, so lots of younger players can get wins/ranking points from the multitude of tournaments that the Big 3 sit out of. Mind you I do actually like Djokovic more than Federer and think Djoko is the GOAT - I’m just noticing some logical lapses that could’ve been addressed. All in all, great effort and analysis in these videos, keep it up

[@goatkovic]

Following your logic, in the Federer era there was only Federer and Nadal on clay. In the Djokovic era there were the big 3 plus Murray and Wawrinka. Therefore, the players in the Djokovic era had more top players to contend with than those in Federer era. All of this just strengthens the argument that Djokovic era is stronger.

[@dzionisis]

Nadal is the unlucky one here. He had to compete against a prime Federer, then when he takes over and becomes undisputed no.1 booom Djokovic comes out of nowhere and spanks him in 2011 and throughout most of the decade

[@faridabubakr5412]

kinda feel sorry for Nadal too. Rafa paved the way for younger guys eliminating that moral advantage Fed had over older players. I will always consider Nadal the GOAT

[@tircek1233]

@@faridabubakr5412 imagine nadal with no injury

[@HKashaf]

Okay this was convincing enough for me.

[@ondrejgeneric8980]

nice video. now it is hardly arguable that Djokovic is the GOAT in terms of stats. he was facing a bit tougher competition during his career, that is true and he made it, maybe last two seanons he benefits that Fed is too old, Nadal has injuries and getting older as well but that is how it goes. Regarding Fed I would say he is definitely one of the most gifted players of all time and his game is like a masterpiece when he is on fire so this is something special. But unlucky for him - he failed really many times with his rivals in very close matches - Nadal and Djokovic, and I would add some clashes with Del Potro and once with Marat Safin at AO05. It cost him about 5 GS titles and this is too many. He really was capable to win some of those matches, it was more about mental toughness than tennis skill and this is sad. Look at W08 -he had no trouble until final against Nadal and he failed in a close match. AO09 is the similar story, superb till the final match, USO09 - very hard to understand how he could not win it!! And later on Djokovic showed up and we know the story. Unlucky for him that matchup with Nadal was really bad for him and his style, he should react earlier with new larger frame of racquet and tactics, this was big mistake. With Djokovic it is another story, it was about his selfconfidence which he lost after 2012 and of course about age difference as well, but still he could do better, except for blowing his last Wimbledon final I remember USO 15 final and it was terrible - breakpoint conversion rate maybe cost FEd another GS title. So in general it is really a bit sad that he didnt react better and prepared some better tactics both for NAdal, which he did but late and espacially for Djokovic...

[@Summon256]

So thats the thing now?! People will now judge Djoker’s latest slams as weak slams, because he didn’t have to face Fedal in finals or semis?! Is that it?! Lol Nvm that the entire field of players he had to face in each grand slam tournament are all 10 years younger than him at very least and some of them are in their primes! Lmao

[@Summon256]

This is fucking stupid! I understand if this was coming from Fedal cult club, but coming from someone, who respects what Novak does and respects the game in general - this was very low…

[@Summon256]

And what if the situation in the next couple of years won’t change much and he will be able to win multiple slams a season?! People will say - “Hey! Look at all these bums and how weak they are! They cannot even defeat a 35 year old man” amirite?! Do people understand how difficult it is to keep up with someone 10 years junior your age physically, not to mention having a draw at each grand slam literally FULL of them! Wherever Djokovic will play in the next couple of years almost certainly there will be at very least 3 or 4 players out of 7, who will be 10 years younger than him! That is so easy to do, right?! But sure let’s pretend he has to face Ferrer, Cilic or Berdych in each round in the next two years…

[@Summon256]

You could use “weak next gen” excuse a couple of years ago, when none of them were able to make the dent at grand slams (except for Medvedev), but now it doesn’t work anymore! Most of them are improved and dangerous now, Zverev and Medvedev are already grand slam level threats, others are catching up as well! You can’t use “weak next gen” excuse anymore every time Novak wins the grand slam without making yourself look silly!

[@nandeesh18]

I am a Federer fan and right of the bat I will declare that to me he is the greatest of all time along with Nadal and Djokovic. Federer’s surreal play, Nadal ‘s fight and Nole’s consistency is just mind boggling. Also, I do believe that by pure maths, Nole is the GOAT! I do have just one issue with the ELO ratings, they can be awfully low for a group of players who are very closely matched and have a fair chance of beating any other player on a given day. It doesn’t mean that they were an awful set of players, it just means that they were very closely matched in terms of skills. While on the other side, if we have a group of players in which some are higher skilled than the others, the top players will have exaggerated ELO ratings while the lower skilled players will suffer. Thus, in my opinion, ELO rating can’t be the absolute metric to compare era’s. I mean there was a lot of skill and fight in those players whom your videos dismissed like second class property even in comparison to Nishikori. I am sure tennis fans won’t be able to say for sure that in a match between Safin and Medvedev, Medvedev would absolutely trash him, no, we would still want them to play and find out. What ELO scores point out with assurity is that Federer and Djokovic were the absolute best in their eras, but isn’t enough to compare players across eras. And to be honest Federer has still won quite a lot in the Djokovic era beating so many of these supposedly strong era players. Maybe his longevity and consistency is something that maths can’t reward.

[@SebastianKopacz]

Goatkovic did a video called 'Did Federer decline after 2011?' which basically comes to the same conclusion - Federer played some of his best tennis in Djokovic era and was overall an exceptionally great champion, not following the usual path of champions who decline after around 30 years of age. Nadal and Djokovic are doing this as well! truly the 3 greatest of all time Also, although Djokovic is obviously better than Federer in their h2h, I think it's worth mentioning that their matches were usually close, with occasional dominations from Djokovic as well as Federer. It is easily one of the best rivalries ever. Before the matches it was never clearly obvious who would win. even tho Djokovic was the favourite later on he was literally one point away from losing wImbledon'19 and lost in straight sets in atp finals later that year. I'd say that's pretty good for a 37-38 year old guy