GOD IS ONE OR ONE IN THREE PERSONS! Yusuf & Young Christian Ladies | Stratford Dawah

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[@pasulaymanjeng9772]

Alhamdulilah 🤲 for Islam May Allah swt bless you brother Yusuf

[@WanJupri]

You can only warn him who follows the Reminder (the Qur'an), and fears the Most Beneficent (Allah) unseen. Bear you to such one the glad tidings of forgiveness, and a generous reward (i.e. Paradise).(QS Yasin:11)

[@zamalbaksh6328]

Salaam my brother may allah bless you

[@adentanjirou]

Bark Allah fik brother Yusuf

[@smansmans8631]

جزاكم الله خيرا 🇲🇦 المغرب

[@Sali8two]

Trinity can never be explained because it’s not true.

[@jeremycrawford4004]

Genesis chapter 1 verse 26 says..."let US make man in OUR image" Genesis chapter 1 verse 28 says..."be fruitful and MULTIPLY" Now, what did you just learn? Sonship in the earth is patterned after the Sonship in heaven. A son is the MULTIPLIED life of his father, and an added person. What does the Son multiply from his father? The son multiplies the name, image, and life of his father. So, what does that tell of God the Father and God the Son? God the Son, Jesus Christ, is the multiplied Life of God the Father, and a separate person. There is the Trinity preached in the very first chapter of the Bible. Read it for yourselves.

[@ViruzVera]

​@@jeremycrawford4004Do you know Hebrew Shema yiserel adnoi elohino adnoi echad Hear o Israel you lord God is one Majestic plural of Semitic language Even in arabic we have that Quran 15 9 Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur’an and indeed, We will be its guardian.

[@jeremycrawford4004]

@@ViruzVera majestic plural in Islam? Shirk. God attributed partnership to himself in the Quran. God also speaks of himself in third person terms in the Quran , which also makes him commit shirk...Now, "hear o' Israel the Lord our God is ONE" is a statement of compound unity, and not singularity. The word for "one" is "echad" and that verse is clearly stating unity. Look it up for yourselves my friends. Moses taught the Godhead, and not a single entity, is God. Why do Muslims keep using a verse, Deuteronomy 6 verse 4, that absolutely destroys the credibility of the Quran and its prophet?

[@fuuf7092]

A prophet is someone SENT by God, God is not a prophet by definition, they are mutually exclusive. If this man was GOD, he would never have claimed to be a prophet or called a prophet by those who saw him. Matthew 21:11 And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.” Luke 7:16 Fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying, “A great prophet has arisen among us!” and, “God has visited His people!” John 4:19 The woman *said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. Matthew 21:46 When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet. John 6:14 Therefore when the people saw the sign which He had performed, they said, “This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” John 7:40 Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, “This certainly is the Prophet.” John 9:17 So they *said to the blind man again, “What do you say about Him, since He opened your eyes?” And he said, “He is a prophet.” Luke 24:19 And He said to them, “What things?” And they said to Him, “The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people, Mark 6:15 But others were saying, “He is Elijah.” And others were saying, “He is a prophet, like one of the prophets of old.” Mark 8:28 They told Him, saying, “John the Baptist; and others say Elijah; but others, one of the prophets.” Luke 9:8 and by some that Elijah had appeared, and by others that one of the prophets of old had risen again. OK, so Jesus doesnt refute anybody calling him a Prophet, he reaffirms it😇 Luke 13:33 . . . . I must proceed on my way. For it wouldn’t do for a prophet of God to be kwil.led except in Jerusalem. Mark 6:3-4 Then they scoffed . . . . They were deeply offended and refused to believe in him. Then Jesus told them, “A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his relatives and his own family”. In the above two verses, Jesus called himself a prophet. There are also many verses indicating that during his lifetime on earth the people in Judea and Galilee regarded him as a prophet. Regarding the verses in which Jesus says that he is equal to God (mainly in the Gospel of John) most scholars believe that Jesus never said that. It was what people started saying about him after his deaff and put on his lips in the Gospels written at least 4 decades later.,

[@fuuf7092]

Jesus Christ not God. It is clear from the verses below that he was indeed 100% man. John 17.3...jesus says to the father...that they may know you, THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus whom you sent. John 20.17 Jesus says....I am ascending to my father and your father, my God and your God. Acts 2:22 “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man… Numbers 23:19 (NRSV) God is not a human being, that he should lie, or a mortal… Hosea 11:9 For I am God, and not man- the Holy One among you..

[@ImranBholat]

Masha Allah Yusuf You are great You explain great

[@daudkhan1867]

Say, [O Muhammad], “If the Most Merciful had a son, then I would be the first of [his] worshippers.” (43:81 QURAN)

[@MustafaE-g8f]

I INVITE THE WHOLE WORLD TO ISLAM, INCLUDING USA AND UK!

[@MustafaE-g8f]

I CAN SEE THESE WOMEN AS MUSLIMS

[@MustafaE-g8f]

🇹🇷💪💪

[@MustafaE-g8f]

JESUS CHRIST SPOKE PERSIAN, PERSIAN WAS A COMMON LANGUAGE AT HIS TIME!

[@hassanosmanmuhamed]

Thats not true,jesus “peace be upon him”spoke aramaic language

[@-oy8vh]

Они должны начать думать рационально, а не эмоционально. Я могу чувствовать себя как угодно, это никак не изменит того что есть реальность. Чувства бывают разные - это не довод )

[@MustafaE-g8f]

🇹🇷💪💪🕋🙏❤️🥊🥊🥊

[@MustafaE-g8f]

JESUS WAS A PALESTINIAN ARAB

[@SubmittedtoAllah]

Christianity God is 3 in 1 Creator become part of creation While Jesus pbuh was a baby he was nursed by someone else. So become dependent on his own creation. Jesus pbuh ate food. So he had to use toilet. Which is not befitting for GOD. Human being have to carry over Adam and Eve's sin. No forgiveness without sacrifice of an innocent man (Gods own son). Degrade prophets of God to glorify Jesus pbuh. No original book. Only translation from another translation. No gospel of Jesus. Only inspired book of different contradicting author. Only confusion. With all these confusion people get mislead and become atheist. Destroy society and family values. With all these confusion people become headless. Without the fear of punishment of the hell people do whatever they want. Islam. One and only creator to worship. No mediator needed to get salvation. Creator never part of creation. Creator is beyond time and space. Independent creator. No confusion in the mainstream Islam. Original book in original language. No confusion or contradiction in the book (Quran). Respect for all the prophet. No character assault to any prophet. No original sin to carry. No blood sacrifice needed to forgive sin. Sacrifice for unintentional mistake. Clear message about haven and hell. Not waterdown. Fear of the consequences. Build family values and moral society with clear guidance.

[@MustafaE-g8f]

The Turks ruled Greece for 500 years

[@fedesetrtatio1]

I dont know why muslim get so confused with the triune nature of Yahweh the true God of Abraham. In Christianity: *Allah (swt) = Allah the Father + Kalimat allah (Jesus) + Ruh Allah ( Holy Spirit).* In Islam: *Allah (swt) = Allah the Slave Master + Kalimat Allah (quran) + Ruh Allah (An Angel).* Which makes more sense. In Christianity the Father is God, the Son is God and the HS is God. In Islam, The Slave Master is God, the Quran is an Eternal book, and the Ruh is an angel that can create. This is shirk doctrine.

[@MustafaE-g8f]

1 God +1 God +1 God = 3 Gods!, maths!

[@fedesetrtatio1]

It is more like: *Allah(swt) = Allah the Slave Master + Kalimat Allah (the word) + Ruh Allah (Holy Spirit).* Three persons in the one God. How many persons are there in Allah?

[@farooqahmed-md8fg]

The heavens rejoice when one sinner sins and then repents than a hundred who don't sin. Paraphrased from the Bible.

[@mystic-mt4xm]

Trinity is the greatest hoax of all time 😅

[@fedesetrtatio1]

I dont know why muslim get so confused with the triune nature of Yahweh the true God of Abraham. In Christianity: Allah (swt) = Allah the Father + Kalimat allah (Jesus) + Ruh Allah ( Holy Spirit). In Islam: Allah (swt) = Allah the Slave Master + Kalimat Allah (quran) + Ruh Allah (An Angel). Which makes more sense. In Christianity the Father is God, the Son is God and the HS is God. In Islam, The Slave Master is God, the Quran is an Eternal book, and the Ruh is an angel that can create. This is shirk doctrine.

[@jeremycrawford4004]

every explanation of the Trinity of God can be explained by the LIFE of man, the image bearer. There are aspects of the oneness of God, and the triune nature of God, but all can be explained through the Oneness or Trinity of man, the image bearer (genesis 1 verse 26). Now, if you're asking how do we explain the sonship of Jesus with the Father? Look at it this way: where does a son come from? His father. A son comes forth from his father and bears the image, and LIFE of his father. The LIFE of man is in the blood, and a son has that inherited LIFE from his father, and that's the unifier of the LIFE of father and son. A son then becomes the multiplier of the LIFE of his father. Now, how does that explain God the Father and God the Son? There is only ONE eternal and uncreated set of genetics, and that LIFE is in the Father, Son, and Spirit, and that is what makes them ONE. That's monotheism explained according to the God of Judaism and Christianity. Monotheism is One LIFE of God, not one person. The equality among Father, Son, and Spirit is LIFE based. So, I'll reference you back to the first chapter of genesis in verses 1-3 and you can see the WORD and LIGHT of the Father coming forth, and that Word and Light is the person, the Son, Jesus Christ coming forth. The message of the Trinity, and the coming forth of the Son as Word and Light to the creation from the Father is the FIRST lesson taught in the Bible.

[@Water4Thoughts]

Any salvation that requires these much explanations and twists, trust me, is Hundred per cent false. Sorry to burst your bubble!

[@jeremycrawford4004]

@@Water4Thoughts explanations are for people devoid of understanding, and hard of hearing. You ask us to explain, so we explain. Learn to listen, and we will stop having to explain.

[@ViruzVera]

​@@jeremycrawford4004Difference between Christianity and islam Muslim of All sects beleive God is one no binatarian trinitarian All Christian sects differ themselves on main concept of God There's are more than 80 sects Majority differs to one another

[@jeremycrawford4004]

@@ViruzVera who cares what people believe? That has no bearing on reality. The reality is that the Messiah and Jehovah are the same person, and Jesus fulfilled both of those requirements, so He called God His Father, and He released the Holy Spirit into the earth to bring us into all truth about what he spoke on the earth. The Messiah is the only Rabbi whose opinion matters.

[@fuuf7092]

A prophet is someone SENT by God, God is not a prophet by definition, they are mutually exclusive. If this man was GOD, he would never have claimed to be a prophet or called a prophet by those who saw him. Matthew 21:11 And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.” Luke 7:16 Fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying, “A great prophet has arisen among us!” and, “God has visited His people!” John 4:19 The woman *said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. Matthew 21:46 When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet. John 6:14 Therefore when the people saw the sign which He had performed, they said, “This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” John 7:40 Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, “This certainly is the Prophet.” John 9:17 So they *said to the blind man again, “What do you say about Him, since He opened your eyes?” And he said, “He is a prophet.” Luke 24:19 And He said to them, “What things?” And they said to Him, “The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people, Mark 6:15 But others were saying, “He is Elijah.” And others were saying, “He is a prophet, like one of the prophets of old.” Mark 8:28 They told Him, saying, “John the Baptist; and others say Elijah; but others, one of the prophets.” Luke 9:8 and by some that Elijah had appeared, and by others that one of the prophets of old had risen again. OK, so Jesus doesnt refute anybody calling him a Prophet, he reaffirms it😇 Luke 13:33 . . . . I must proceed on my way. For it wouldn’t do for a prophet of God to be kwil.led except in Jerusalem. Mark 6:3-4 Then they scoffed . . . . They were deeply offended and refused to believe in him. Then Jesus told them, “A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his relatives and his own family”. In the above two verses, Jesus called himself a prophet. There are also many verses indicating that during his lifetime on earth the people in Judea and Galilee regarded him as a prophet. Regarding the verses in which Jesus says that he is equal to God (mainly in the Gospel of John) most scholars believe that Jesus never said that. It was what people started saying about him after his deaff and put on his lips in the Gospels written at least 4 decades later.,

[@badonlikoy5571]

Correction, God is One in three Title but not three in person, because God is not a person, He is Spirit (Genesis 1:1 & John 4:24). And the word "Father" is just a Title Name of the Divine Spirit, the creator of the Heavens and the Earth and everything. And the Holy Spirit is not also a person, it's just a Title Name, because Jesus said, it neither you knows him nor sees him (John 14:17). And this Holy Spirit is from the Father Himself and that comes out from the Father Himself (read Psalms 51:11, Luke 11:13, John 15:26, Matthew 1:20 & Luke 1:35). And the Holy Spirit itself is the Divine Spirit of the Almighty, the creator of the Heavens and the Earth and everything. Because God is Spirit (John 4:24 & Genesis 1:1). And one of the characteristics of the Almighty God that He is Holy (read Leviticus 11:44) which is the Holy Spirit. And the Son (Jesus) is a Title Name of the "Word" that became Flesh (John 1:14). So these names Jesus or Yeshua, Hesus etc. or whatever you call Him name are just a Title Name of the "Word that became Flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:14). And the Word is from the Almighty God Himself. That is why, the Word was God (John 1:1). So "Three are One" but Not Three in One.

[@dorjitshering6819]

Foolish discussions which will lead nowhere😢😢😢

[@shanefrance5071]

Because both are not the same God....

[@fuuf7092]

A prophet is someone SENT by God, God is not a prophet by definition, they are mutually exclusive. If this man was GOD, he would never have claimed to be a prophet or called a prophet by those who saw him. Matthew 21:11 And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.” Luke 7:16 Fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying, “A great prophet has arisen among us!” and, “God has visited His people!” John 4:19 The woman *said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. Matthew 21:46 When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet. John 6:14 Therefore when the people saw the sign which He had performed, they said, “This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” John 7:40 Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, “This certainly is the Prophet.” John 9:17 So they *said to the blind man again, “What do you say about Him, since He opened your eyes?” And he said, “He is a prophet.” Luke 24:19 And He said to them, “What things?” And they said to Him, “The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people, Mark 6:15 But others were saying, “He is Elijah.” And others were saying, “He is a prophet, like one of the prophets of old.” Mark 8:28 They told Him, saying, “John the Baptist; and others say Elijah; but others, one of the prophets.” Luke 9:8 and by some that Elijah had appeared, and by others that one of the prophets of old had risen again. OK, so Jesus doesnt refute anybody calling him a Prophet, he reaffirms it😇 Luke 13:33 . . . . I must proceed on my way. For it wouldn’t do for a prophet of God to be kwil.led except in Jerusalem. Mark 6:3-4 Then they scoffed . . . . They were deeply offended and refused to believe in him. Then Jesus told them, “A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his relatives and his own family”. In the above two verses, Jesus called himself a prophet. There are also many verses indicating that during his lifetime on earth the people in Judea and Galilee regarded him as a prophet. Regarding the verses in which Jesus says that he is equal to God (mainly in the Gospel of John) most scholars believe that Jesus never said that. It was what people started saying about him after his deaff and put on his lips in the Gospels written at least 4 decades later.,

[@fuuf7092]

Jesus Christ not God. It is clear from the verses below that he was indeed 100% man. John 17.3...jesus says to the father...that they may know you, THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus whom you sent. John 20.17 Jesus says....I am ascending to my father and your father, my God and your God. Acts 2:22 “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man… Numbers 23:19 (NRSV) God is not a human being, that he should lie, or a mortal… Hosea 11:9 For I am God, and not man- the Holy One among you..

[@fuuf7092]

So did Jesus' earliest followers consider him to be God? EHRMAN: Well, what I argue in the book is that during his lifetime, Jesus himself didn't call himself God and didn't consider himself God and that none of his disciples had any inkling at all that he was God. The way it works is that you do find Jesus calling himself God in the Gospel of John, our last Gospel. Jesus says things like: Before Abraham was, I am, and I and the father are one, and if you've seen me, you've see the father. These are all statements that you find only in the Gospel of John, and that's striking because we have earlier Gospels, and we have the writings of Paul, and in none of them is there any indication that Jesus said such things about him. I think it's completely implausible that Matthew, Mark and Luke would not mention that Jesus called himself God if that's what he was declaring about himself. That would be a rather important point to make. So this is not an unusual view among scholars. It's simply the view that the Gospel of John is providing a theological understand of Jesus that is not what was historically accurate. GROSS: Jesus was referred to as the king of the Jews. Did he call himself that, and what did that mean it is time? Do we know? Can we have any idea what that meant in its time? EHRMAN: Yeah, we do know, and actually to be a king of the Jews simply meant literally, being the king over Israel. It is a very difficult question to get to, what Jesus taught about himself because of the nature of our gospels, but one thing is relatively certain, that that the reason the Romans crucified Jesus was precisely because he was calling himself the king of Israel. Now, Jesus obviously was not the king. So what might he have meant by it? Well, what scholars have long thought is that Jesus was talking about not being put on the throne by means of some kind of political show of power, but that Jesus thought the world as he knew it was coming to an end and God was going to bring in a kingdom, a new kingdom in which there would be no more injustice or oppression or poverty or suffering of any kind. And in this kingdom, Jesus appears to have thought that he himself would be the future king. And so Jesus meant this not in the regular political sense but in a kind of apocalyptic sense, that at the end of the age, this is what was going to happen: he was going to be installed as king. GROSS: So Jesus saw himself as the messiah. What else did that mean in its time? EHRMAN: Well, a lot of Christians today have a wrong idea about what the messiah was supposed to be. The word messiah is a Hebrew word that literally means the anointed one. This was used in reference to the kings of Israel. The ancient kings of Israel, when they became king during the coronation ceremony, would have oil poured on their head as a sign of divine favor. And so the king of Israel was called God's anointed one, the messiah. There came a point at which there was no longer a king ruling Israel, and some Jewish thinkers began to maintain that there would be a future king of Israel, a future anointed one, and they called that one the messiah. And so the messiah for most Jews simply referred to the future king of Israel. And so when Jesus told his disciples that he himself was the messiah, he was saying that in the future, when God establishes the kingdom once more, I myself will be the king of that kingdom. And so it's not that the messiah was supposed to be God. The messiah was not supposed to be God. The messiah was a human being who would be the future king, and that's probably what Jesus taught his disciples that he was

[@fuuf7092]

Richard Dawkins calls the Bible ‘a chaotically cobbled-together anthology of disjointed documents, composed, revised, translated, distorted and 'improved' by hundreds of anonymous authors, editors and copyists, unknown to us and mostly unknown to each other, spanning nine centuries’. Let’s take the Gospel of John, the fourth Gospel. Is there good evidence to believe that what we read in John’s Gospel is a true account of what Jesus actually said and did? Up until a few hundred years ago, no-one really questioned whether John’s Gospel was historical. But with growing scepticism over the reality of God and the supernatural (a philosophical and cultural movement known as the Enlightenment), scholars began to suggest other explanations for the origins of the Gospel. Against the traditional view of the Gospel having been written by a disciple of Jesus and eyewitness to his life, death and resurrection, they argued that the Gospel was, in reality, written by someone living hundreds of years later, and hundreds of miles away. And the concepts in John, they said, were too Greek, and not Jewish enough (as the other three Gospels, Matthew, Mark and Luke, were). John’s idea that Jesus was ‘God in the flesh’, for example, was said to reflect much later developments in Christian theology. So for these reasons, by around 1900, most New Testament scholars believed that John’s Gospel could not be considered as reliable history.

[@fuuf7092]

For me, the biggest evidence is that Paul followers ALWAYS QUOTE PAUL, OR THE LAST GOSPEL JOHN, as their evidences And their own scholars say John is the LEAST AUTHENTIC, written by multiple authors, hundreds of miles and years away from Jesus. And this is the book that elevates Jesus, at least tries. They never ever quote Mark or luke, the earlier Gospels, where Jesus is a prophet and messiah, sent only for the lost sheep of Israel, by his own admission. This is the biggest red flag that Paul followers are misguided. ALL THEIR favourite quotes come from the froindulent Gospel of John. Even Mark isn't safe. 16.8 is where Mark ends,as the earliest manuscripts end there.. But the 'long ending' of Mark, 16.9 to 20, has the resurrection, Jesus sitting on right side of God etc Their own academia acknowledge this, that 9 to 20 are later interpolation and its common knowledge except for the blind followers who have not studied what they are basing their salvation on 🤦