God of War Ragnarok Valhalla Secrets - The REAL Tyr vs Odin as Fake Tyr Can You Tell the Difference?

The REAL Tyr vs Odin as Fake Tyr Can You Tell the Difference? God of War Ragnarok Valhalla Secrets Difference? • God of War Ragnarok Va...
00:00 Real Tyr Introduction
1:27 Fake Tyr Introduction
3:05 Real Tyr's Feeling on Violence
4:09 Fake Tyr's Feeling on Violence
6:30 Real Tyr Emotional Moment
7:30 Fake Tyr Emotional Moment
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[@WhoisPersona]

I like the small detail that Tyr is almost offended by Kratos asking why he was helping him. He probably does not like the notion that everyone needs an agenda and simply wants to help because he can.

[@greedgod5827]

To be fair that's all kratos has really known and that's why when freya helps atreus when he was sick and had no ulterior motives he will never forget it. He has no clue who tyr actually is cuz his time he spent with him was just a fake

[@aditghifari5039]

helping someone without any agenda is something he never heard before in past he surrounded by everyone who have their own agenda.

[@aeroscantsee1665]

Tyr's face really went "🤨" before saying "because I can".

[@flamingdoge6242]

Týr helping people simply BECAUSE he has the capacity and power to do good, especially in the context of God of War, is deeply resonating bro. It’s so simple yet so powerful

[@davidpagan8559]

"Are you not a soldier? Are you not a leader of men? MASTER YOURSELF." *opening inscription into Valhalla* "Master thyself." Brilliantly done, Sony Santa Monica.

[@Charlskyler]

Something similar can be heard in the Ghost of Sparta gameplay, right before a puzzle a background voice says: "Know thyself and the doors shall be open"

[@DeftestAphid2]

​@Charlskyler that's probably due to Apollo's "Know thyself". Also one of the few mainline gods Kratos doesn't kill. That and his sister Artemis.

[@horizoncarnd2220]

I like that although the real Týr prefers peace over violence just like Odin's depiction of him, he still believes that fighting is necessary from time to time. He is still a god of war, after all. Fighting is within his very being.

[@wonkygaming3151]

And boy does he do it well, in Valhalla. Not to mention mastering so many foreign (Mayan, Egyptian and Japanese) weapons. Also, he was proud of Freya for helping initiate Ragnarok and kill Odin, unlike Odin's impersonation of him.

[@davidpagan8559]

Some of the most famous conquerors throughout history sued for peace before inflicting violence. Caesar, Genghis Khan, Hannibal, etc. Tyr took the cost of violence seriously. Odin didn't.

[@Funinightmare]

"Wish for peace, be ready for war" The real Tyr wrote that as a quote of wisdom. If Odin wrote that message you can bet he would have wrote it as a propaganda.

[@TheWanderingHunter]

​@@Funinightmare "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"

[@Alforbia]

@@davidpagan8559 Caesar and the Romans are maybe a bad example of this. They had a policy of offering false 'peace' in ways people wouldn't understand or couldn't accept in order to justify invasions for profit. Of course, historically, Rome was willing to say they were at peace so long as the wars they were waging were entirely outside their borders.

[@bluelanternguardianangel8038]

Real Tyr: a man who has mastered the art of war so that he can ensure peace to last. He is kind, gentle, wise, but will fight tooth and nail if need be. A true god of war Fake Tyr: a disgusting caricature of Odin's idea of a weak person

[@candiedthrone]

The stark difference between Odin's weak-minded depiction of Tyr versus the true, wise Týr who is competent in battle is refreshing. So glad we got to see the expansion of his character in this DLC.

[@justanotheryoutuber1997]

I love the subtle differences in Tyr’s voice between the two. The voice actor really nailed the confidence in real Tyr’s and the fear in Odin’s depiction

[@jamesroad316]

Odin can only wish to be 10% of the real tyr

[@xzenitramx666]

Odín was salty that he didn't break tyr so he mocked him with his acting, odin was a man child.

[@jb2o09]

Odin is dead he can’t wish a thing

[@jamesroad316]

@@jb2o09 well, when he WAS alive he did

[@bladecrysto1144]

That's quite a generous estimate

[@guynamedbob8374]

Odin must have portrayed Týr that way, because he was angry that he hadn't been broken during his imprisonment.

[@seandewar47]

1:09 "Because I can." I love that answer

[@TheeSinnerman]

"Why?" "Because I can" Tyr is a God who actively challenges Kratos' ideals. His entire life he's been met with Selfish God's who do only what they want for themselves but here is Tyr a God who is Loved by All because he's a good guy. He's literally saying "Because I have the power to act, because I choose to use my power and knowledge and Abilities for Good" He's literally the Anti-Odin.

[@goodenoughright5433]

I love the fact that in the very beginning they told us that Tyr was a fake because they spelled his name wrong whereas when you meet the real Týr and also whenever a character talks about him his name has the proper grammar

[@skyfallworld4080]

Good lord, this just reinforces the attention to detail in this game.

[@saiyankingbroly]

After Valhalla I see that Odin was jealous of Týr he knows deep down Týr was the god he could never be

[@Bncxx1275]

After he comeback Odin capture him with rage

[@abbaskizilbash6156]

I love how Odin does everything to tarnish Tyr’s image whenever he can.

[@colemarvel3988]

I like Tyr telling Kratos “You’re not ready,” not only for the nod to Kratos saying that too Atreus in the first game but to the whole message and concept here that even though Kratos is wise and experienced in many things he is still learning and growing.

[@StealthTheFoxz]

Even the wisest of people can still learn new things.

[@JWesker1998]

It's pathetic and astounding that Odin would wish to tarnish his own son's reputation simply because he made better progress towards obtaining knowledge and true peace. Odin may have been Týr's father, but he wasn't his daddy.

[@amser7]

I feel like I heard that last part before

[@BeemoStory]

​@@amser7guardians of galaxy 2.

[@zababy2760]

In the God of War universe, Týr was never referred to as a son of Odin, even in Norse myth, some say that he is his son and others say that he is the son of a giant.

[@RyGuyMaster]

@@zababy2760both can be true. Thor exists, after all. Son of Odin and a giant.

[@AlecEburhard]

In some myths, Tyr is not the son of Odin but of a Jotunn named Hymir

[@RworldKM]

It's easily overlooked in the game that Odin's weapon of choice is also a spear. Same as Tyr. Using a spear to fight would most likely blow his cover through his fighting style in the presence of a God of war. That's most likely why Odin in disguise avoided fighting.

[@anonemuss1418]

It might be more accurate to say that Odin’s weapon of choice is his magical arsenal, whether learned or stolen. However, the Gungnir spear is an important part of Odin’s mythological image, so he had to have it. It’s true though that trying to imitate a real war god’s skill with a spear probably would have given the game away.

[@gummybearchewy5444]

Mimer likely would also would pick Up on on “Tyr” fighting technique’s being what he has seen Odin do while he was working for him. I am sure Mimer would eventually have connected the dots.

[@flossbrunn]

To be fair in actual ancient close range combat it was a bit pointless to use any weapon other than a spear.

[@sparta-lf4lv]

Tyr is the prime example of I HAVE NO ENEMIES 😂

[@luckymark571]

Odin?

[@lesangpro]

@@luckymark571 NO MORE

[@sourcollide394]

odin thinks that pacifism is borne out of weakness and cowardice and that shows in every aspect of his "acting".

[@DarsiPadilla]

Odin's impression on Týr should have the nickname "Impos-Tyr".

[@jasonvoorhees5180]

I love that we got to see the real Tyrs fighting skills vs Odins annoyingly pacifist facade.

[@tentayeprimo6674]

I don't know if it's the voice actor or if they changed the model or something, but this Tyr genuinely seems different from the Odin copy.

[@therogueblade915]

I guess because he wears armor, and carries himself more confidently?

[@mellowyello1478]

Yes, actors can have nuance with their roles. He was likely given the direction that the Tyr in the prior game was someone in disguise, or otherwise a false notion. But in this one he was given the direction of the actual character.

[@dynamicbusterkrish973]

kratos when first met with tyr ask if he is not a soldier of war and to master himself but who would have thought that one day tyr will be the one who helped kratos to master himself

[@monsterkid4937]

You can so tell the real tyr was having fun while fighting kratos

[@FreemanicParacusia]

It’s a nice detail that fake Tyr’s name is misspelled in the subtitles, but when people address him (or when the real Tyr is speaking) it includes the accent mark above the ‘y’.

[@SBLHendrix]

thats such a crazy detail 😭

[@herbertmoon998]

Odin, can we have Tyr? Odin: No, we have Tyr at home:

[@consumer1073]

real tyr has a hint of unconscious intimidation in his speech when telling kratos hes going to help just because he can, in his tone of voice and facial expressions

[@yusufkaradag8983]

Real tyr is ready battle if it is really necessary but he would do that because of wisdom and would still wish peace .fake one is mere imitation of that he wish peace just to want.there is no real reason for him not to fight aside from odin's dirty plans.fake one is lack of wisdom and that because odin only has knowladge not wisdom

[@ScoutLeader]

It's excellent to see the details that Santa Monica puts into the character design. Tyr has an arm band around his right wrist, signifying that something is covering up his wrist where he lost, and regained, his right hand.

[@ninjakid225]

It's kinda easy after playing the Main Campaign and the DLC the stark differences between real and fake Tyrs. I am thankful that Santa Monica gave us a Tyr we could enjoy after Odin fell. Plus a wasted character that you built over the game to then set free at the end would have been underwhelming.

[@azashfield3944]

Odin really did Tyr dirty i mean 💀 Bro is a BEAST 💀

[@ranieldale4842]

Odin saw Tyr as cowardly pascifist, someone who would prefer to just sit around doing nothing instead of acting. His version of Tyr rudely interrupts Atreus before he even finishes his sentence, this is probably because of Tyr's steadfast opposition to Odin's desires. The real Tyr is strong, a man who's willing to fight for what's right... Only if the peaceful option failed

[@VideoGameSophistry]

What do you think? Is there a difference between the two? 00:00 Real Tyr Introduction 1:27 Fake Tyr Introduction 3:05 Real Tyr's Feeling on Violence 4:09 Fake Tyr's Feeling on Violence 6:30 Real Tyr Emotional Moment 7:30 Fake Tyr Emotional Moment

[@atahanboylu7277]

Writing of pronounciation of “y” differs from real one to fake one

[@danielhaire6677]

Absolutely. Real Tyr is obviously a veteran warrior who has mastered his very self. Odin's Tyr is a reflection of Odin's own weaknesses and fears about his potential fate. Like many villains, he projects his failings upon his views of others. That's why his impersonation is so flawed.

[@ngocphung6557]

When Atreus gave fake Tyr a spear he straight up called that a walking stick which is a pretty big hint btw.

[@axelrenesuzuki9334]

Tyr look like jesus Christ but looks like from the future.

[@xzenitramx666]

I mean the modern depectios of jesus are base on european gods and people. Hell the image of his mother maria was take from hestia.

[@axelrenesuzuki9334]

@@xzenitramx666 heee this's hope more interesting I hearing now curious interesting my friend thank you so much.

[@petermj1098]

Tyr is the only son of Odin that escaped Odin’s grasp as a tool. Odin was desperate, cruel, perceptive and influential person. Odin used Baldur as a desperate tool, used Thor as a cruel tool, used Heimdall as a perceptive tool. Odin used Tyr as an influential tool. Without Tyr as his tool Odin was weaker and couldn’t influence the Giants to trust their false peace agreement.

[@redjen7649]

Real Tyr is a badass among badasses. It why he was the God of War

[@TheGreatTocino]

Odin focused too much on acting like hating violence for peace. Unlike Tyr, who is someone that would actually fight to achieve peace.

[@Hollowichigo7]

The fact the the names emaphasis is in different places is a neat clue i forgot what the grammer tool is called

[@AgentLevitar]

I find it interesting that in the last part, Tyr says it is wrong to allow prophecy to guide our actions but later on calls Atreus a "champion" despite that being part of the prophecy. NGL it was a relatively subtle detail that I did not catch the first time

[@garretthildebrandt428]

Odin really hated Tyr, didn’t he? He wasn’t just manipulating them, he actively tried to make Tyr seem weak & cowardly.

[@ShadowFungus]

I alway picture a god of war to be battle hunger, bloodthirsty, and always wanna fight, but i also forgot that a strategist is also part of war, a general, a leader.. tyr embodies those, a calm, thinking, full of knowledge and wisdom type.. a general who strategizes in war but also a warrior.

[@AustinGamingXD]

I mean Atreus should have suspected something was off when he saw “Tyr” locked away with nothing but a wooden door and some rope.

[@MysteryMan788]

Well after seeing the valhalla dlc i guess we could all agree that: Virgin Fake Tyr/Odin vs Chad Tyr/The real Tyr

[@iJakexD123]

Yes

[@cmccolton1383]

In GOW 4 mimir said Odin casted a spell on Freya that robbed her of a warriors spirit, she couldnt harm any man or animal even if she wanted to. I thought maybe he did that to Tyr too when I first saw these scenes

[@MegaKnight2012]

People who claim virtuous characters aren't interesting would have to ignore the masterpiece that is real Tyr in Valhalla

[@RockingKevin92]

He stayed true to his own Quote the Giants wrote on his statue "Win Minds not Wars"

[@deathwindowproduction4857]

And the real tyr become big bro, coach and, therapist for kratos

[@dark_2813]

Odin's impersonation of Tyr is shameful, Real Tyr is so different compared to the Tyr we met; it kinda makes me surprised mimir or Freya didn't recognize it. Though Fake Tyr's traumatized state we are shown, I find it hard to believe both Freya and Mimir didn't doubt it even a bit.

[@naturalfitness23]

How didn't Mimir sense something was wrong? Maybe the creators didn't think that far ahead when it came to Týr

[@maxm.m.7219]

What was interesting is that the original idea for how they figure out Tyr is fake is that they ask him to use his Bïfrost eyes to open a gate to (I think it was Asgard), but it didn't work, since it's just a disguise, so nothing happened. I think that it's good they didn't go that way, since it would make Odin seem really dumb, since even if he didn't know the Bïfrost eyes could do that, he would have still known he doesn't ACTUALLY have Bïfrost eyes, so why would he agree to do it? So yeah, that's a little fun fact.

[@aeroscantsee1665]

Tyr was done so well in DLC. SANTA MONICA COOKED!

[@earlmoore7003]

Tbh Tyr in the main game was disappointing regardless if it was odin or the real deal, i'm so glad they did a great job redeeming him in Valhalla 🙏💯😎

[@user-zv8rm6ns1r]

My headcanon is that once freya or someone told týr about how Odin portrayed him he felt like he HAD to redeem himself in the eyes kratos.

[@StealthTheFoxz]

​@@user-zv8rm6ns1rDamn does he do it.

[@brandonwithnell612]

to be fair tyr had no idea what hapened before ragnarok so he probably needed time to collect info

[@Pattmore]

Tyr vs Týr

[@touremuhammad5983]

How dare Santa Monica deny us all the real Týr until the end of Ragnarök! Shame on them! Shame on them! Shame on them! 😤

[@afnanhisyamhussin2589]

I wonder if atreus knows about real tyr

[@elishabarkley7625]

My question is how the HELL did magician mickey mouse ass Odin beat and capture Tyr? This dude is a beast; he could have probably given the Greek Gods serious problems in 1v1.

[@jasonchandler9777]

Odin probably had help from Thor is my best guess.

[@ElkaPME]

odin likely double teamed tyr with thor, like a dirty coward he is

[@bingungnamanyaapa2662]

Maybe Odin "drugged" him or used other trickery

[@kratosgow342]

He also probably allowed himself to be capture cause he know Odin wouldn't kill him for disguise that he will use for later

[@kevinhanandi]

Tbf odin is still a strong god, regardless of how he looks

[@ALAWY212]

Fake tyr in subtitle its referenced as tyr not týr

[@brandanpalmer9712]

Really goes to show that, though Odin is a master of deceit, Odin made an absolutely mockery of the real Tyr simply because Odin was entirely incapable of understanding Tyr’s philosophy and wisdom. Think of someone trying to copy a different person’s accent, and completely butchering it and sounding ridiculous

[@Bawitza]

Papa john is coming

[@Funinightmare]

Real Tyr vs Tyr from Wish

[@kevyready2194]

Odin possessed him or what?

[@LucasGabriel-rv9lf]

Odin was impersonating Tyr

[@stardustcrusader3351]

Odin disguised himself as Týr while keeping the real Týr imprisoned. In order for Odin to impersonate someone with his magic, he must keep the original alive.

[@kevyready2194]

@@stardustcrusader3351 But Odin could have the power to possess right?

[@kankeydong2500]

​@@kevyready2194 as far as i'm aware, i don't think so. Even if there was a way, it must be some complex procedure in order to do it and be more trouble that what is worth.

[@Vanacloud]

lol that title is one of the biggest plot twist in Ragnarok and you just casually put it smh

[@VideoGameSophistry]

THE GAME IS A YEAR OLD YOU LUNATIC!>!

[@rydekk-4644]

So? ​@@VideoGameSophistry

[@freshFerdinand]

@@rydekk-4644 That already got spoiled for me like two days after release, this isn't a secret anymore.

[@ElkaPME]

@@rydekk-4644 open secrets render spoilers moot if you're not willing to avoid them

[@rydekk-4644]

@@ElkaPME If you're actively looking for it? Sure, you're right. But what about the YT algoritme that doesn't give a fuck either way? I've been spoiled through the youtube recommended section plenty of times in the past.