Everything Tyr Said to Kratos After He Becomes God of War - God of War Ragnarok Valhalla Secrets

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[@StareachValcin]

It is nice that Kratos made friends with the Norse god of war Týr, considering what happened with the Greek god of war Ares. This also makes me wish that Atreus got to meet the real Týr.

[@touremuhammad5983]

We ALL wish Atreus met the real Týr. He was supposed to be the Champion of the Jötnar, not Atreus. He’s literally half-God & half-Giant, just like Thor, except he’s the only Aesir the Giants ever trusted since he & Laufey the Just help the Giants escape Thor’s wrath. And yes: He & Laufey worked together to hide the Jotunheim Tower.

[@dannyg4835]

I read somewhere that kratos was supposed to find and befriend other gods of war and they would be the guys that welcome jesus's birth with gifts

[@argyjql9113]

@@touremuhammad5983did you even play the game? Kratos was the champion it was never Tyr in the first place.

[@StareachValcin]

@@dannyg4835 That is clearly not the case anymore.

[@StareachValcin]

@@touremuhammad5983 Actually, Atreus is the actual champion of the Jotnar, not Týr. Atreus was supposed to be named Loki while also being a demigod giant hybrid. Not to mention that Laufey was the last guardian of the Jotnar. All pointed to Atreus being the champion, while Týr was just the god of war.

[@haziqsaffari9893]

Tyr is exactly who Kratos needed to help find peace, it takes a God of War to heal the damages of another one. I hope Tyr will cross paths with Atreus on his travels, the boy deserves to meet the real him.

[@garrettjackson1451]

Indeed he really does Atreus still has a lot to learn

[@ultrascouter203]

That would be hype

[@Mr.Derogatory316]

Not really Atreus was so too full of himself starting a war to stop Odin and the Aesir where he was rushing to the answers he was seeking all along where never had patience and discipline

[@Starkiller5121]

I love how Tyr sounds so reverant and philosophical, except when Mimir asked how Tyr can enter Valhalla, he becomes a little flustered almost. This is the Tyr we were teased at the end of Ragnarok, I'm so happy they gave him a lot more screen time.

[@acgearsandarms1343]

Kind of wish he had more screen time with the katana more though. Or is it odachi? Man is a tall god. Could easily swing it like a katana.

[@dylanpyle6500]

Seems philosophical is aimed at enslaving yourself to someone over uncontrolled emotions

[@Daniel-si7zp]

@@acgearsandarms1343 I say is a katana. Odachi’s are mostly used with two hands to maximize damage and speed, even Tyr is insanely strong, I say he still uses a katana regarding also some of his techniques like the ice projectiles which he first holds with it one hand. I say that the katana in my headcanon, was given to him by Hachiman, The Kami of War

[@acgearsandarms1343]

@@Daniel-si7zp Then it must be a big katana.

[@Daniel-si7zp]

@@acgearsandarms1343 I mean… Tyr is 7 feet tall or 8 feet, giving him a normal sized katana for Tyr is a small ninjato😂

[@bestintheworld568]

Thor was a broken man who just wanted his fathers acknowledgment. Baldur was driven insane by a spell cast on him. And Odin, I suspect, was able to manipulate Heimdall’s powers of foresight to keep him onside. Tyr being like he is when his brothers all ended up on their path with Odin is just amazing.

[@TitanMaster4554]

They never sought answers from within, Tyr did. They never thought to better themselves for the sake of themselves, Tyr did. Tyr made th effort to learn to be better and resolve himself for the good of helping others, they did not.

[@amirhaikal6672]

Tyr is a true friend for Kratos, a friend and an idol

[@danieldickson8591]

Most of us try to either be our parents, or to be their opposite.

[@rohanthomas6629]

To be fair, Baldur did want Odin’s approval. So that also hurt him.

[@zoron8952]

A hippie sticking it to the man?

[@the_infinexos]

Kratos: I've only known (the real) Tyr for 3 days but if anything happened to him I would kill everyone in the room and then myself

[@richardknox4612]

Mimir: you know brother....there are quicker ways to get to hel....

[@cb-9938]

I'm so happy we got too see the real Tyr in game and not just Odins mockery of him. Still amazed at how he is 8.5Ft tall and super friendly. Even Kratos says in his journal that he now understands why people respected Tyr for his strength. If Kratos gives you props on your strength, then you're obviously more powerful than the average God

[@LoneStoneMaalik]

Týr is the one person that could change Kratos’ point of view. He’s a God of War just like Kratos, but showed him he could be violent for beneficial reasons: To protect his friends, family, & himself. To wage war for justice & for what is right. Violence is important. A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a man capable of violence, but is peaceful. Only being violent when the time calls for it.

[@Silmerano]

It's a nice DLC but it's redundant. That's exactly what Faye showed Kratos. That was the point of his mural. Kratos working through his past is good but him suddenly not knowing he can be a god for good is a bit of a regression.

[@DragonXZero]

@@Silmerano I see it as more, he saw the possibility of it, he knows that Faye showed him a future where he could be that, but just because you know of an ending doesn't mean that you can just skip right to it, Kratos still held doubts of himself and still carried way too many baggage that wouldn't let him do the job. In his words, he was not ready, but as Tyr put he wasn't ready yet. But after the DLC, he was ready enough

[@mangopie7602]

Exactly, a good man who knows no violence cannot protect against evil

[@zoron8952]

Feminist response: TOXIC MASCULINITY

[@Zarkrez]

As the captain said to Isaac. "Vengeance is good, bastards need punishing. But after you've had your blood, what then?"

[@Diogolindir]

'Tyr, you son of a bitch!' Hand shake that shakes the egyptian pantheon*

[@voltekthecyborg7898]

I wonder, if the Egyptian god of war, Montu's, personality is being happy and positive, and also a yapper.

[@itsenoch_]

y'know, i feel like the only reason why some people say that the younger kratos skin looks off, is most likely because the character model is much bulkier due to being modeled after chris judge. in the greek saga kratos was much leaner

[@tonydragon784]

RIP Shad Gaspard

[@Nematoda4ever]

everyone need a chill bro like Tyr as their best friend ~

[@KRIMZONMEKANISM]

What I like here is that Tyr is very obviously a formidable foe and almost equal match to Kratos, as both Gods of War. Despite this, however, Kratos IS the more powerful of the two, with a single catch: Tyr is MUCH wiser. Tyr embodies the Philosopher-Warrior archetype to its fullest. Something that Kratos likely aspires to be as well.

[@Banana_Bunch...]

I think Týr is meant to be kinda like Athena in actual Greek mythology, the wisdom and strategy of war rather than the brutality and bloodshed, Ares or in GOW, formerly Kratos

[@acgearsandarms1343]

How did Odin ever produce a god like Týr? He’s so likable and wise. While Odin is… everything opposite. Look at all the other progeny. Assuming he is the son of Odin in the game version of the myths.

[@luckymark571]

I don't think Týr is odin's son in God of war, he never mentions being his son

[@acgearsandarms1343]

@@luckymark571 Then I’m glad he isn’t.

[@ToonGrin]

Sometimes when you come from a less than ideal family you make do to not be like them.

[@jacobscott7261]

I think it’s hinted that he became the way he is due to his experiences in Valhalla. I may be wrong

[@Rhino-Prime]

Look at kratos dude was a family man while his father was a hit it and quit it

[@tobluetoblack]

You know what would make for an *intensely* fascinating bit of lore should this idea ever pop into the mind of the game creators. Is if during the travels of Tyr, he met Buddha. How interesting of an interaction would that be? and maybe even have it that either Atreus or Kratos or both would meet Buddha

[@herpderp3916]

Assuming the rough timeframes line up, it would be pretty interesting. Tyr went to Japan, so India wouldn't be too far fetched.

[@tobluetoblack]

@@herpderp3916 Yeah Tyr made it an effort to see other cultures and perspectives. The fact that he has Aztec weaponry shows his willingness to cross any land and ocean and other than Buddha, India also has the Hindu pantheon so even more possible concepts to explore

[@yiklongtay6029]

It gets messy when you start dealing with religions instead of myths. Myths are long dead religions that are no longer in practice. Who knows what minefields you could step on otherwise

[@zannchristo]

​@@yiklongtay6029 Fair but Christianity is also pretty much confirmed in the GOW universe

[@danialnorazmani2371]

​@@zannchristo where though ? Care to show/ explain ? This intrigued my curiosity 😅

[@jamesroad316]

Tyr was the friend kratos needed along with the friends he made in the 9 realms

[@happinezz0236]

kratos' tone in the 2nd clip is kinda nice for some reason it's still sounds like the previous kratos but less stressed and much more gentle

[@Lancersilva]

As a mythology nerd I’m glad they included the bit where Tyr loses an arm. Although it’s said that he loses it to Fenrir and not Garm but the Prose Edda doesn’t make any distinction between the 2 so it’s still kinda accurate.

[@byungwha95]

If you look closely at his official art, it looks like there are Egyptian hieroglyphics on one of his arms. Perhaps he made a friend while he was in Egypt?

[@Lancersilva]

@@byungwha95 I actually have noticed that and apparently they do allow him to regenerate lost limbs. So that must’ve been a good friend. Hopefully one we see if we Atreus gets his own games and encounters other pantheons.

[@НурсултанЖаныбеков-б5э]

Bro stoped Godkiller's punch like nothing💀

[@Blazieth]

Keep in mind - in every one of these fights, Týr is _yielding_. Which suggests he could go probably quite a bit further if this were a life-and-death struggle.

[@acgearsandarms1343]

@@Blazieth I mean they could. They’re in Valhalla. Wouldn’t dying just mean one or the other getting ejected? Though Týr is fighting to an extent to help Kratos. He knows when to stop.

[@Blazieth]

@@acgearsandarms1343 True, but after all he's done, Kratos wouldn't feel good about it, even WITH a guaranteed resurrection for his opponent. He doesn't _want_ to fight to the death. He's not that kind of warrior anymore, except when he NEEDS to be.

[@bestintheworld568]

The Norse Gods are known for their impressive physical strength and battle prowess. There’s an argument to say that Thor and Tyr are much stronger than Kratos in that way, and we all know Kratos is no slouch in that department. Even Magni was hammering Kratos until Atreus was being threatened by Modi.

[@corrputgamer]

They are both holding back, but I’m sure Kratos could best Tyr if it was a true life or death match

[@nahueeiglesias6088]

3:15 god i love how Tyr speaks so casually about that topic

[@tommyyanuar2037]

3:15 Tyr's response is a bit unexpected.... Especially the "Hm! Uh... a bit of a technicality..." part.

[@eviastellarcosplay]

Here's how I imagine Tyr asking Sindri and Brok. Tyr: Kratos, is it true Odin used my appearance to infiltrated your base? Kratos: Yes. Tyr: And is it true you lost one of your own because of him? Mimir: Aye. His name was Brok. He was stubborn dwarf all right but he was a good friend to us. His death hit us all but it devastated his brother Sindri the most. The worst part is that Brok died once before and Sindri managed to bring him back but his soul wasn't complete. Tyr: And because of that missing part, your friend couldn't crossover to the Light of Alfheim and now a lost soul. Mimir: Aye, and worst of all. Odin's act ruined Sindri's friendship with Kratos' son Atreus. He blamed the boy for letting Odin into his home. After we gave Brok a proper funeral, Sindri left without a farewell. No one knows where he went to. Tyr: You don't think he'll plan something against your son, do you Kratos? It sounded like the two didn't get a chance to reconcile. Kratos: No, he has nothing to gain by taking revenge on any of us. Yes, Sindri still blames my son for what happened but Atreus is not the one who murdered Brok. While Sindri may still be angry at my son, I believe he is angry with himself the most. And wherever he's at, he needs to be alone for now. Whether he plans to return or not is up to him. Tyr: Then should your other friend ever return, I think it's best he and I never meet. Odin killed his brother using my appearance and he didn't know I was imprisoned. And if he saw me now... Mimir: Aye, you're right....we never thought about that. But Tyr, don't blame yourself. Odin deceived us all and he has paid the price. Tyr: Yes but the damage Odin has inflicted upon your friend is already done. I can only hope he can find peace, wherever he's at.

[@masterblaster2678]

Lol you made Mimir say aye at every single line

[@RubALamp]

Týr would know who Brok and Sindri are. He might have even met them since there was a time where Brok and Sindri were on "good" terms with the Aesir. Gungnir, Draupnir, and Mjölnir being proof of this.

[@calebrumsey4838]

This dlc is just tyr giving a therapy session to kratos

[@callousTelegnosis]

Týrapy

[@MMTrigger]

I can't help but wonder if Kratos not feeling guilty for killing Hercules is a dig at Kevin Sorbo.

[@playstationarusu]

Idk Hercules really was dangerous and kinda crazy, not only that but Kratos gave him the chance to walk away and Hercules couldn't let it go

[@mvodinh]

It’s not guilty, but sympathy. He knows how Hercules is a servant to the gods, like himself. For the murder of his family So in some sense, Kratos understood Hercules.

[@bonelesschickennuggets1868]

It is a very important part of the process to not misplace your guilt, as Kratos said before he killed a lot of people that deserved it and a lot that didn’t, if you notice he never felt guilt for killing Ares, Hermes, Poseidon, Hades, Hera and specially Zeus but he regrets the approach he took in his vengeance that caused so much destruction.

[@Crowgale]

Probably. He has it coming.

[@acgearsandarms1343]

Why Kevin Sorbo specifically? Because he’s the Hercules VA?

[@vapingfury4460]

You have a clip that repeats the first clip about hercules

[@LorainPsycho]

I always thought of Tyr as a Nordic version of Jesus Christ

[@JavierMartinez-oj3rg]

When I saw a tear for the first time, and how tall it was compared to Corridos, I was thinking jet. Damn Jesus Christ is a giant.

[@a.t.3192]

Tyr is a real one. Loved his portrayal here.

[@hordelord4759]

Tyr needs to start a realms support group

[@burningxnecro]

I love the sparring buddy connection, it just works.

[@fumarc4501]

It’s rather interesting that a God of War, found peace among a Pantheon that was once two separate Pantheons that were united after a terrible war among themselves and then against the Giants.

[@TriumphantChadwick]

Imagine if there was another new DLC even longer than Valhalla and Týr becomes a traveling companion.

[@iabproductionsofficial]

C-C-C-C COMBO BREAKER

[@michaelnewman4649]

There are two different historical references for who Tyr’s father is..one of the poetic edda’s has him as Orin’s eldest son and Thors stepbrother..and another has him as the son of a giant named Hymir..so it’s hard to say which interpretation Santa Monica went with, because I don’t believe it is specifically referenced

[@yashmandla1234]

Tyr the god of therapy

[@mrsirlance-]

imagine tyr not holding back he’s already a power house . but imagine he just lets loose

[@zoron8952]

It's interesting how Tyr became a mentor in a sense

[@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit]

Tyr is a bro.

[@MrHikaru0814]

I can only imagine the power these two can do if they fight together... That would be freakin' amazing

[@t-rexcellentreviews1663]

I really love the real Tyr’s personality thank the game devs for giving us this free DLC to get to know the real him instead of just that insulting portrayal that Odin gave.

[@hitrapperandartistdababy]

Tyr was build up as this unfathomable force of good who genuinely helped so so many people become inspired. Our expectations where high, then comes ragnarok and makes a complete mockery out of him, before the reveal he is a major annoying disappointment, and the devs intentionally dragged him through the mud. Then the DLC pops and they are able to take all of the 2018 build up and completely justify it with an amazing character!

[@vizartas2574]

I think Tyr hold doctorate in Physchology.. lol

[@tyx8898]

Hercules driven by an uncontrollable rage, yeah Kratos is one to talk

[@crowdemon_archives]

Tbf, Kratos isn't that wildly uncontrollable 😅 But his laser-focus rage unfortunately is like an orbital bombardment: collateral damage galore.

[@isaacquiroz9435]

2 gods of war looking for peace. I LOVE IT

[@ashtonchane6126]

Kratos and Tyr: *The War God bros.*

[@davidstrife165]

Notice when Tyr is speaking on regaining his arm, he says "The Underworld" and not "Helheim". Did he gain his greek weapons on that quest?

[@hameedsultan701]

With the two gods of war, Kratos being Greek and Tyr being norse, I see that tyr would go to war to stop it, to bring peace, and if that don’t work, Kratos would go and beat them so senseless, the opposition would surrender immediately

[@FierceDeity35]

Exactly as the game explains it. Kratos would assume a metaphorical position, to enforce the rules of war to ensure that arguments and differences be worked out in a fair manner. Rather than start one.

[@JNJNRobin1337]

i do wonder *Which* time Kratos died that Valhalla uses to go 'yes they did indeed die before', given how many times Kratos had climbed out of Hades atleast

[@ajizel13]

Atreus needed his father, and mimir as a guide to better deal with his issues.....as well as freya, and others.... Kratos needed tyr..not atreus...he'll meet him one day, I can only assume....but you can tell by the writing, tyr was really meant to meet kratos...and aid him....kratos needed another GoW to help him get "therapy"

[@scootboot69420]

"I see you Kratos, One of a kind!"

[@rinaldigunawan5891]

Imma this tyr is ur training buddy and ur best mate. Full tests u and gives advice too

[@aarondemiri486]

please do a video that has all the tyr scenes and interactions from god of war Ragnarok and Valhalla

[@VideoGameSophistry]

Alright

[@colemarheine3503]

Is it not weird that Tyr is inspiring me to be a better person and to improve my unbalanced mind in real life?

[@gundome12]

So I take it Tyr is turning Kratos into a true God of War.

[@anwarthompson6431]

Ain’t gon lie I love finrir but garms name is hella menacing

[@Kutirida]

Thats real tyr, the one with the thing ontop of the y...i just realized that. The devs are awesome tricking us

[@matttan8066]

I didnt expect Tyr mentioned Garm because thats the actual myth lore where the wolf bite off Tyr arm!

[@aymen_b1267]

It wasn't Garm who bit off Tyr's arm in the mythology, it was Fenrir.

[@nolanlynch2430]

Looks like giant magic Tyr is using.

[@anthonym9977]

He is half giant on his mother's side. The mother giant is one of the giants in the giant marbles

[@jakevex4198]

I'm glad to Kratos is getting therapy

[@MikeStew07]

I would love to see an unhinged Tyr.

[@FierceDeity35]

The bifrost coming out of his eyes may be a hint.

[@kennydarmawan13]

Tyr: The real reason why I can enter Valhalla has probably got something to do when I achieved enlightenment and arrived at Moksha... or was it Nirvana? Anyways, I managed to pull myself from the freedom from life. Mimir: What is the cause there? Kratos: Because Tyr has duties to fulfill. He can't be idle as his world is on the verge of collapsing in Odin's hands. The same when I chose the world over my daughter. Tyr: He already gets it. Kratos: Tyr, why have you managed to be so calm and collected while being imprisoned for long? Tyr: To be honest, Odin's impersonation of me is indeed true. I would've break the way he mocked me. Mimir: So, why didn't you? Tyr: Because I took the time to work myself spiritually. Meditating and finding more within me. Mimir: Impressive. Odin thought locking you up would stop you. Instead, you become stronger. Spiritually, at least. Mimir: So, brother, what are the worlds outside look like? Tyr: I'm gonna be honest. As far as I had experienced, I enjoy my times there in here during Odin's time. Mimir: And why did you return when you enjoyed it there? Tyr: Because this world we live in deserve much better. If those worlds get to have great lives, then we should not deny this world the chance. Especially with Odin gone. Kratos: Then we shall rebuild it. Better than before.

[@Dashi26]

Seems like everyone that beats Tyr gets the extra dialogue. I only " I yield" and that was it.

[@keandregreen5628]

I just want to know how Tyr ended up being so different from his brothers and Father

[@ariqsyafwan4987]

Sometimes when you are raised in the most toxic environment, instead of being consumed by the waves of toxicity and became one yourself, you'll do everything to swim outwards and eventually became a complete opposite of everyone else

[@blackholetl]

What happenes when you try and use mimir's discomfort with Helio's head?

[@perry-1572]

He makes a comment about it, more out of confusion than pain

[@blackholetl]

@@perry-1572 well, I meant does it still have the bifrost look or does it take on a similar look to a sun beam?

[@Skyisgoingbacktopluto]

​@@blackholetl bifrost

[@blackholetl]

@@Skyisgoingbacktopluto Darn. That feels like a missed opportunity even if it is a rather tiny detail.

[@cerberus144]

The Hercules that Kratos killed was either bewitched or a delusional imposter. Why else would this Hercules think it was Zeus who gave him his labors, and not his cousin King Eurystheus of Mycenae as penance for killing his family. A family whom he was bewitched to kill by Hera, which again, why would Hercules EVER side with Hera?

[@shiroamakusa8075]

He was infected by envy from Pandora's Box.

[@FierceDeity35]

Not side with Hera, just against Kratos

[@АндрейЕрмонин-с3н]

What new title Tyr is talking about? Did Kratos become god of war of North pantheon?

[@matthewsteenson6903]

God of Hope

[@FierceDeity35]

Yes.

[@a.t.3192]

Freya offered Kratos the official position of God of War while she assembled the new council of gods to govern the realms post-ragnarok.

[@shaquantucker7463]

They should've mentioned demos and i know he talked to freya about him.

[@martinc8965]

He mentioned a few times, like 3 times.

[@ajayxerx1511]

Corinthian 15 verse 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@Tony2-Dirty]

Wait so Tyr’s technicality is getting viciously hurt while in Helheim?

[@blam320]

It might be travelling to Helheim to start, since I'm pretty sure you need to be "dead" to enter.

[@brendenpepper1923]

Is kratos the god of war or hope because I thought in order to become god of another's station the person needed to die like ares

[@MrOrcshaman]

Hate seeing the early Kratos design on this Kratos. The full beard and aged look is a symbol of Kratos progression, making him look like his younger self defeats the purpose of that progression

[@FierceDeity35]

It's just fan service

[@jarebearart8926]

Jesus tyr lol

[@Bawitza]

Papa john is coming

[@monsterkid4937]

Tyr is not odins son?

[@haziqsaffari9893]

Tyr is one of Odin's sons.

[@MrSpinotrex]

depends on the source, one source says he is the son of Odin, other said he is the son of a Giant/Jötnar named Hymir. but iirc in the game, his parentage was never specified, as is the case with Heimdall, Freya, Freyr, and Sif.

[@Buitronthecrazy]

Sorry but the irony of this situation is killing me...

[@renegadedjinn5325]

HERACLES!

[@ShadowGaming42069]

3:17

[@haymaker3046]

Too bad we never saw Thor in Valhalla.

[@ZeroOnline200]

Theory is Thor ascended to the higher plane of existence were Athena and Orisis are by refusing to fight Kratos. or he is still in his personal Valhalla fighting

[@haymaker3046]

@@ZeroOnline200 but Valhalla is a manifestation of the persons mind. So anything from your memory is possible. Thor is well within Kratos memory as well as Kratos thoughts about Thor is their 2 battles and mainly the last battle.

[@FierceDeity35]

​@@ZeroOnline200I could definitely see Thor never wanting to leave Valhalla

[@ghersenn1843]

Or its possible Thor is alive. I mean, in the ending mural of Ragnarok, on the background of that mural there stands a big figure that resembles Thor

[@saoskreator1982]

swarm lev 4

[@saoskreator1982]

swarm

[@alaskanspartan89]

Kratos’s old design in God of War: Ragnarok engine looks weird and kinda creepy

[@odkjqedlkd]

chuddies

[@Dockboy-ie4yu]

Lore kratos probably never died to the enemies and beat tyr every time