The Gold Plates: Is Joseph Smith's Story Possible? (w/ Bill McKeever)

[@marleymae6746]

It was reading the New Testament that got me out of Mormonism, and into my personal relationship with Jesus.

[@jakeseward9035]

Same here! I'm so grateful for the grace of God that lead me to the true Jesus and out of this false religion.

[@prayerwarrior7778]

Praise God. Thank you, Jesus. We can’t go wrong with the Bible. It exposing false doctrines so easily.

[@hollayevladimiroff131]

@@prayerwarrior7778 Me too!! And the fact they used evil Freemasonry symbols and rituals in their temples.

[@gustavmahler1466]

@@prayerwarrior7778 too many interpretations of the Bible too many translations

[@mattearl8213]

@@gustavmahler1466 go learn hebrew and greek then.

[@1689-Cigars]

As a "buff farm boy" I can confirm that Joseph's story is not feasible even if the plates are 80lbs.

[@Cowboybrian01]

Same! I’ve worked farms and ranches!

[@nute742]

They would have probably been about 40 pounds (gold alloy) Similar to other ancient plates found from the middle east.

[@insomnolant6043]

I'm a big guy, a farmer and shepherd. I've carried two 100 lb. bags of minerals before, one on each shoulder. I wasn't running, I wouldn't have been able to jump, and dodging or fending off an attacker? Completely impossible and absurd.

[@rusochileno639]

@@nute742 The other plates you’re referencing were 3 plates! Not the 24 reported by witnesses. But how do you get over 500 pages from 24 plates?

[@nute742]

@@rusochileno639 I'm not familiar with the 3 plates (?) However the other plates were written in reformed Egyptian (double sided, lol) So that would be 44 sides overall (Egyptian "shorthand") which has been proven to be a "real thing"! (hope that helps) :)

[@bhendy1974]

That should be a contest on the World's Strongest Man. Take a 200-pound weight and run 3 miles. Call it the Joseph Smith run.

[@1646kilojules]

this is hilarious i agree

[@zacke.1286]

I think during the 90's/ early 2000's New York did exactly that. Got a bunch of body builders together, sectioned off a long stretch of road and gave the strong men a led replica of the plates. The body builders were told to carry them under one arm and run the course. The body builders didn't make it 10 feet is what I hear.

[@markdewald5323]

I'm a police officer, part of any SWAT tryout usually consists of dragging a 200 lb dummy about 25 yards. This is exhausting even for the very fit officers who are well prepared.

[@richardholmes5676]

200 lb? The plates were 45 to 60 lbs.

[@JasonChoate-xg3be]

Funny this “expert” missed that the testimony of Joseph Smith stated that the plates had the “APPEARANCE of gold” - not solid gold. He went through all that trouble to debunk nothing. 😅 Anywho there are other “gold like minerals” found in the Americas that are less weighty and other researchers believe could have been the material to forge writings in ancient days on plates. Honestly, who cares how the Book of Mormon came about (you who believe the Red Sea was parted by hands, donkey chatting with owner and walls of city crumbling by merely walking? Two fish and a couple of loaves to fead 5,000? This is easily proven? The fact is the writings are before you. You’ve tried to discredit the Book of Mormon over and over when the real test is to simply act in faith and genuinely read it “nothing waiving” (that’s Biblical by the way) James 1:5 And you’ll see the “fruits” of the prophet Joseph Smith or not! And guess what? That will be between you and the Lord whether you found it draw you closer to Jesus Christ. You’ll also can justify it to HIM for why it is not so - Book of Mormon testimony. Why not claim you actually followed through with the experiment of faith rather than “leaning on your OWN understanding “ by doing silly recreations when you missed the facts - this lies nothing more.

[@philipplank507]

I pray the Mormons that see this come to know the True Savior Jesus Christ!

[@fuzbeatboxern5714]

You need to point this to them.

[@prayerwarrior7778]

Amen.

[@MJ-td3ij]

I’m mormon and trying. Pray for me and my family. Jesus has started reaching out to me because I have been experimenting on his word. It’s not easy and it’s dividing my family

[@gustavmahler1466]

@@MJ-td3ij the Book of Mormon does not conflict with the Protestants interpretation of the Bible

[@kevinsills9235]

How did the Bible come to be? What historical journey, translations, formats, shifts, and organizations did it find itself a part of over the course of history?........ because thats the only Jesus you know........ I mean, playing the game telephone always works out 100% in the end right?.......... Ever witness a car wreck before? Imagine if someone on the other side of the street saw the same wreck, but from a different angle. Maybe y'all were looking at your phones at different times of the accident. If a police officer took only your statement of events as fact, and disregarded the other witness completely, how would you asses the officers performance? Would the insurance company receive the correct information, or maybe just part of it?.......... just some thoughts about how we come to KNOW a true anything.

[@epsyuma]

I met Bill back in 1993 when he held a seminar in Salt Lake CIty. Thank you Bill. The more I study Mormonism the more I realize what a quagmire it really is.

[@DanBurress]

I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.I was invited to a large mega Baptist church that was going to show a film ''about the Mormons'' as they called it.The whole thing was shoddy dog and pony show,the movie lasted about 45 minutes, and the audiance snickered and mocked, as truths sacred to millions of us, were distorted on purpose in order to make money,I was just sick, for days.I could not understand how fellow Christians, could stoop to such lewd behavior.The poor misguided soul, who had been hired to show this awful thing, claimed to be a former member of my faith.He had betrayed the Lord, his baptismal and Temple covenants,and was now stuffing money into his pockets in order to enrich himself,as he went to set up his little circus, at the next protestant church.I am a former evangelical, I was grateful that evening, that the Lord had sent two sister missionaries to my door from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, to teach me the foundational doctrines of the Restored Gospel, such as faith in the Lord Jesus Christ,to deliver me from sin, my need for a new birth, baptism, modern prophets and Apostles, and how both the Holy Bible and Book of Mormon, testified of my Savior's love for each of us,despite our past sins.To include the poor soul who had attacked my faith,so long ago.There is room at the cross for him too, if he wishes to return to his first love which is the Savior. Yours in Christ, Dan.

[@TheChancesmom]

Quagmire is right. I left them in my twenties a lot of things just didn’t seem right to me. Thank God for people like Bill, he mentioned Sandra Tanner I have been on the Utah Lighthouse Ministry website many times. She was a descendant of Brigham Young my roots go all the way back to Joseph Smith, I had a great-great grandfather who was one of his bodyguards. I wish the rest of my family who are TBM’s would figure out that truth.

[@TestifyApologetics]

Now this is the kind of evidential thinking that people should be doing when witnessing to Mormons! Excellent.

[@DanBurress]

The video is false on so many levels.This pastor KNOWS the plates did NOT weigh anything close to 200 pounds, maybe between 50 to 65 pounds at best, according to all of the witnesses that handled the plates for themselves.However if the pastor was honest he should also mock Sampson and what the Lord did through him,like pulling down a pagan temple, or carrying off the gate of the city of Gaza,.If I had submitted this kind of so called ''evidence'' in my college classes, I would deserve to fail any course where I had stooped to such crude carnival antics and sloppy research.Really?

[@demanitorres5925]

@@DanBurressthe angel said it was Gold. Later people tried to lesson the weight of the plates however the angel said it was Gold. Even with the weight of 75 lbs the story is impossible and actually foolish to believe given the fact 3 people tried to attack him separately! Which no logical group of ppl would do and the fact the story says never never put them down on a 3 mile journey also having a limped leg. The paper was thinner then parchment or as thin they would’ve been squished during those squabbles

[@DanBurress]

@@demanitorres5925 I understand why the story of the Book of Mormon is hard to accept.I once felt as you do.However, the value of the Book of Mormon is what is written on the plates, not the total mas they possessed.The Lord gave Sampson the ability to carry off the City gates of Gaza, slay over 1,000 philistines, and pull down a pagan temple.The Lord provided the miracle, not Sampson!Likewise the Lord sustained Joseph in all of his trials,his infant son died of exposure when a vile mob broke into a home they were visiting, the beating that followed, the hot tar and verbal abuse, the strength to stand upon his feet the next day and deliver a message about forgiving your enemies, under the worst of circumstances.The weight of the plates is a distraction, designed to keep you from looking at the really vital issues of faith,testimony, and endurance in the face of hatred, made possible by trust in Jesus Christ.Yours in Christ, Dan.

[@DanBurress]

So, if this pastor dared to mock Sampson and the strength the Lord gave him, what would you say then?You cannot mock the gift, without casting blasphemy on the giver of that gift.Besides the whole thing is a cheap trick,this pastor knows perfectly well, the plates did NOT weigh anything close to 200 pounds, if he had done the exacting research from eye witness accounts who actually picked up the plates.The whole thing is shoddy from start to finish, very poor, and would receive a failing grade from any university, because the strict standards of in depth analysis had been utterly ignored.The Pastor's real objection is the fact the Book of Mormon exist at all,and how its existence challenges his protestant views.He rejects any further light or understanding,he insist the heavens be silent and for the Lord to speak no more.THAT is the real issue,.

[@johnjones_1501]

A fun question I often raise with Mormons, Joseph Smith got out of militia service to go fight in one of the Indian Wars, because he was crippled. He had a leg that was injured as a child from a surgery to remove a growth of some kind, and he walked with a painful limp. So either he is lying about his running and dodging through the woods, or he lied to get out of military service during war and was essentially a draft dodger. So the question is, which one was he lying about, and now that we established he was a liar, what else did he lie about?

[@mrsjonse]

Or we have no clue what happened... being 200 years removed. Or miracles are in play. "Lord... help thou my unbelief."

[@rusochileno639]

⁠@@mrsjonse There are actually tons of records from that era not everyone back then was as unintelligent as the church tries to portray Joseph

[@AshrafIssaTravels]

Should he have prove that he can't join the army? I mean the army and government aren't that stupid hehehehe.

[@johns1834]

The Book of Mormon initially seems logical and sounds like ‘Another Testimony of Jesus Christ’. Joseph Smith would later describe a Jesus radically different from the Bible Jesus which seems more like a testimony of 'another' Jesus Christ. Apostle Paul warns of teaching another Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:4), and goes on to explain in verses 14 and 15; “For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

[@ulisscarple]

Bill Speaks so clearly that this video is readily watchable / listenable at 150 % play back speed. Good work !!!

[@gilbertmiraflor3591]

Acts 5:38 And now I say unto you, refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to naught: 39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

[@MrWhosegaloo]

plates are not the issue the point is Jesus Christ's story in the gospels is complete in the bible for almost 2000 years before a farmer con man was born to claim / Lie create a false religion from a lie again remember Galatians chapter 1-9 if anyone preaches another gospel even if it is an angel made from macaroni let him be accused

[@Reminisciences]

The three men he was accosted by, is another Masonic borrow from Smith. The architect of Solomon's Temple, Hiram Abiff, is accosted by three ruffians as he refuses to divulge his knowledge as a master mason, and metallurgist. The more you look into the vows of the LDS and Joseph Smith's life, the more Freemasonic symbolism you'll find.

[@kevinsills9235]

and freemasonic symbolism comes from ...... where, when?

[@grumpysgarage7276]

@@kevinsills9235 Joseph Smith and Bringham Young were Masonic members, henceforth why there are Masonic features and characters in the temple ceremony and Masonic symbols on the holy undergarments

[@marlonkawalsingh8456]

This, is Ancient, Mythology, Indian Tibetan descendants my people! , pre destined? People believe a lie More than the truth

[@jonathanbaca1500]

I love this man, he knows what he's talking about.

[@DanBurress]

Not really.He knows the plates did not weigh 200 pounds,maybe 50 to 65 pounds IF he has done any research at all, which I doubt.This sort of thing is a cheap carnival trick, designed to confuse people with data that is totally bogus.His issue is the Book of Mormon itself and what it claims to be,and his claims about the total mass of the plates is just a cheap side show, attached to this traveling circus.

[@johnouellet4099]

This story is so true! 200lbs solid gold plates can easily be carried under 1-arm! They are also notoriously easy to run with and getting fights with! By the way, three fights in the 3 mile walk.., totally believable! I got in 6 fights yesterday going to the bus stop

[@martytu20]

I can’t even deadlift 200lbs without needing straps. 200lbs of gold plates that are also awkward to hold, imagine that.

[@HeeBeeGB]

Bro so funny

[@johnjones_1501]

I am an ex-Mormon. I did my missionary stuff (I don't like to use the word serve anymore, because no one really benefited from any of that nonsense) in San Diego, California. Bill McKeever's house was in one of my areas, and it was the first time I ever heard of him. I used to have nightmares, while I was a missionary, about meeting Bill McKeever, because I had heard all of these horror stories about him. Funny thing is, every missionary I knew who had ran into him admitted he was a really nice guy, but they all talked about how sick they felt after talking to him, because they had their whole world challenged, and were being forced to think about their faith for the first time, and I was convinced that if I ever met Bill McKeever, that the devil would lose his demons after me afterwards, to try to tear me away from the faith. It is all so silly now thinking back about it, but I was so scared of Bill McKeever. The irony is, for a while, the missionaries used to live in my sister's house, and I heard I had a reputation as the guy who scared them, even though I was always nice and kind. I know Bill is a religious guy, and I don't agree with him on the whole god thing, but I do respect many of the scholarly research he has done into Mormonism.

[@ginamiller6754]

You stated you are ex Mormon. Have you not come to the saving grace of Jesus Christ?

[@jeffs4483]

They will just say God gave him super powers.

[@nute742]

Like Samson?

[@gregsteele2820]

@@nute742 Samson didn't claims to be a regular guy and have sycophants surrounding him claiming that he had superpowers

[@claytondaddy]

@@gregsteele2820Yeah, I guess sometimes God gives super powers to his servants, like to open the Red sea for example, or to calm the Lions like Daniel, or super powers over fire like Daniel’s’ friends or even know what someone else had dreamed like Joseph did!! Power to carry heavy gold plates? That’s nothing compared to the other miracles.

[@jacobsamuelson3181]

Yes it is possible. Only to Christians who believe anything is possible with God. Matthew 19:26. I have heard accounts of women lifting up a car to save their child. People surviving freezing cold temperatures to rescue their loved one from drowning. I have read people do miraculous things in the Bible. Why doubt? How can you believe the words of the Bible but when miracles happen today you cast it off as lies. O ye hypocrites of the Word. Ye seekers of a sign. Even if it was a 1000 lbs I would still believe God could do it through Joseph. Joseph was a Man of God and he was also a man pumped up with adrenaline protecting the one thing that God told him to protect. You would only be able to do it if you were protecting something as precious to you.

[@JaredFugitt]

"I have heard..."

[@danecooper6070]

Thanks!

[@GLM]

Hey, wow! Thanks! I appreciate that!

[@DownAroundSanAntonio-ik4ek]

As an ex-Mormon I would return to the church if anyone found anything else written in reformed Egyptian or someone could show me that indeed such a language really existed. Could it be that all the experts are wrong and there really was/is such a language? But you don't have to prove that the BOM is false, just have to show that its teachings are false. JS could've fabricated physical plates. And why was it important to keep the plates a secret? Most of what the plates supposedly contained has already been revealed. Just pick up any copy of the BOM and you can see for yourself.

[@tybaltmarr2158]

Judeo-Egyptian Arabic is a language. Literally took me 10 seconds on google bro. At least put in SOME effort. Wait till you find out what the word "believer" sounds like in that language 😉

[@kenmccain9743]

The Bat Creek Stone. The Smithsonian had it turned the wrong way, saying it was an ancient Indian language. But flip it the right way, it says in paleo Hebrew 'For Judah'. There are also artifacts that have been found that have the ten commandments. There is artwork in stone that has a mural of the crucifixion of Christ, with three crosses and a Roman soldier who was piercing Christ in the abdomen. Look up Wayne May's presentation of all of this and much more. It right around 2 hours to watch it all, but it's very informative.

[@michaeldale1150]

I have been saying this for a while, having knowledge about gold. God said my people perish from a lack of knowledge

[@Supremewaterfallz]

Joseph must off been high as hell on LSD to run that fast and get away 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@brannonburton5494]

Both David Whitmer and Martin Harris went out of their way to bury the notion that they hadn’t physically handled the plates. You’d have to ignore the vast majority of their statements to come to the “vision” argument. I hope the man on the video is just ignorant instead of deceptive.

[@nightman6349]

They saw and handled a wooden box they were told had the plates in them they never physically saw anything. It's so easy to debunk mormon claims.

[@brannonburton5494]

@@nightman6349 Oliver I beheld with my eyes, and handled with my hands, the gold plates from which it was translated. Martin “I hefted the plates many times, and should think they weighed forty or fifty pounds.” “I saw them just as plain as I see this bed (striking the bed beside him with his hand). And I heard the voice of the Lord, just as distinct as I ever heard anything in my life, declaring that the translation was by the gift and power of God.” Hiram Page “As many of the plates as Joseph Smith translated, I handled with my hands, plate after plate.” Joseph sr. “I handled them. There were fine engravings on both sides. I handled them and could tell what they were.” Christian “I, Christian Whitmer, being one of the eight witnesses to the Book of Mormon, do testify that I handled the plates and saw the engravings thereon.” Jacob “I, too, was permitted to handle the plates, and I saw them with my eyes and felt them with my hands.” Peter “I saw the plates as plain as I see this book, and I handled them.” I can get more if you’d like

[@robertleinbach6016]

The truth of the Book of Mormon continues to spread throughout the world in preparation for Christ’s Second Coming. It came forth in fulfillment of prophecies in our time to bless our lives. Those who choose not to believe it, I can respect. For those who choose anonymously slander it online are turning a blind eye to the Savior. There is still time to read, study, and most importantly, pray about this sacred book to obtain a witness by the Holy Ghost of its truthfulness!

[@dante04srt]

Bill is the man. Always like watching his talks.

[@dwayneraskin7290]

My wife and kids still go to and practice Mormonism. My daughter, who is 12, has begun questioning the book of Mormons authenticity. After due diligence and understanding what the Mormon church teaches, she’s started questioning its authenticity, especially regarding Joseph Smith. She began reading the Bible, and came across verses that contradict the Book of Mormon. As her father, I’m not going to lie to her or try to convince her otherwise. She began asking me what I thought, and I showed her this video, and she began laughing at the ridiculousness of how Joesph Smith’s “stories” don’t make sense. And now understands the fraud Joesph Smith was, and reads the Bible more so than the Book of Mormon to get closer to Christ. Thank you for producing this video!

[@joe-mama6451]

The story of Joseph carting the plates home and being accosted thrice sounds representative of the three ruffians who assault Hiram abiff in free masonry. The three ruffians in allegory are ignorance apathy and laziness. So the story seems to be allegorically representing that he has “developed his care” and overcome the three traits

[@JTRemillard]

Didn’t he use Freemason rituals as the basis of temple ceremonies?

[@JaimeGarcia-pe7bj]

What did Mr. Smith do with the plates that he translated?

[@kenwick7921]

A crucial fact for this video is the weight of the plates. Yes, a solid block of gold for the dimension of the plates (Smith Jr in 1842: 8"x6"x6") would be about 200 pounds or maybe about 100 pounds assuming uneven gold plates. Those who handled the plates gave a weight between 30 and 60 pounds. This means the plates were NOT made of gold and were most likely made of copper or tin. I suggest that Mr. McKeever make a replica weighing 60 pounds maximum. The witnesses: 30 lbs (New York Telescope [Smith Jr & Harris], 1830); "sixty pounds, and was sure it weigh forty." (Willard Chase citing Smith Jr, 1834); 40 or 50 lbs (Harris, 1859); 30 lbs (Fayette Lapham citing Smith Sr, 1870); 40 to 60 lbs (Harris, 1870); and 60 lbs (William Smith 1883 & 1884).

[@jjwinn2495]

That's fine, so the original story is a lie, because JS or the angel said they were GOLD. If you want to call the BOM the Word of God, it has to be that way. Also, all your references are just mormons trying to back peddle when confronted with inconsistencies. They have been doing this since the beginning. Check out the differences in the first BOM with later editions. They have completely changed things so as to cover lies.

[@W.A.J.J.]

But how can you believe in walking on water, water to wine, parting the Red Sea, Samson, and everything else that goes along with the Bible? What fantasy’s do you decide to believe are true?

[@nightman6349]

I know right these gus can point out flaws in other religions, but oh no, their fairy tales are different for some reason.

[@bigtobacco1098]

I also believed many things scientists have reversed themselves on...

[@JaredFugitt]

​@@bigtobacco1098 Doesn't that just attest to the veracity of science? When someone comes along with new information, science changes.

[@bigtobacco1098]

@@JaredFugitt veracity and yet still failure

[@bigtobacco1098]

@JaredFugitt I'm not sure that's always the case... Several times outliers have brought in new models only to be cast out, yet later to be found to be correct despite the communities efforts

[@Calebmlinden]

WOW amazing video, even 2 years later.

[@stonefallknives5518]

If you are going to throw darts at the "Mormons," don't be stupid while doing so. If we go by the claims of the "Mormons," the plates were not a solid block of gold. They weren't even solid gold nor a solid block. The sheets were not machined flat but hammered. When accounting for those factors, which are willfully removed by these "intellectuals" - men of poor character or research. Given the empty space between each plate and alloy composition described, we get at the lowest 40 lbs and the highest 80 lbs. Which oddly lines up with the eye witnesses of the plates. But to admit, such requires valuing honesty higher than spite for other Christians. Nothing I have mentioned takes more than 5 minutes of research to come across. The sheer unbridled laziness is almost impressive.

[@carmvideos]

How am I just now seeing this? This is great! Brings me back to Manti.

[@rbwinn3]

What McKeever fails to mention is that gold is the only element that can be pressed into sheets one molecule thick . One ounce of gold can be pressed into a sheet that can cover a football field.

[@Rjs81187]

No one ounce could be flattened to cover 9 square meters a football feild is over 5000 square meters -Gold is malleable, so it can be flattened into extremely thin sheets. [...] Gold leafing-also known as gilding-is an ancient technique. Traditional artisans beat raw gold between pieces of leather until it was almost too thin to be seen. One ounce of gold may be hammered thin enough to cover more than 9 square meters (96.9 square feet) of a surface. The gold leaf may be only 0.18 microns (seven millionths of an inch) thick; a stack of 7,055 sheets would be no thicker than a dime.

[@jjwinn2495]

DOES NOT MATTER because NO other such tablets or writings by indigenous people have ever been found in North or South America. IF the Lamenites (or mayans / indians, whoever) wrote this way, then why were there never any such things found by archeologists? BTW there was no gigantic battle on the hill of Cumorah; if there were there would be archeological evidence. If such a massive battle was fought there, why are there no artifacts? It would be easy to find them if only the mormons would dig there - they won't because they know there is nothing there. Its a fake.

[@ericr3878]

What you completely ignore is that the dimensions were given by JS. We know what a volume of 6" x 8" x 6" of gold weighs. Whether it has 100 pages or 100,000, the density doesn't change.

[@DanBurress]

He also forgets to mention he has not done his research, and knows perfectly well, that the plates did not weigh anywhere close to 200 pounds.If he is trying teach his so called truth, why start the process with a lie, and not be honest?RED FLAG!

[@garys.2291]

I like how their excuses are 1)God helped him carry them, or 2)It wasn't Gold, but gold alloy, so of course he could do it. Either way, they have an excuse for everything.

[@KathyStrickland-nh9vx]

They are experts when it comes to having excuses. Just read through the excuses in these comments. And we know God is constantly changing his mind.

[@nute742]

@@KathyStrickland-nh9vx God can perform miracles regardless of lack of faith or skepticism

[@nute742]

@@garys.2291 Like Moses parted the Red sea or Samson's great strength! ( More impossible Bible excuses)! Lol

[@KathyStrickland-nh9vx]

@@nute742 I don't question God's ability to perform miracles. Me and the other Christians question the absurdity of the teachings of the lds. There is nothing historical or archeological to substantiate lds history however, the Bible has much evidence. The lds are being lead down a heretical path by greedy yet savvy business men.

[@garys.2291]

@@nute742 Sure, but were talking about something relatively new, less than 200 years ago as opposed to thousands of years ago Lol.

[@timwrightfamily740]

We now know that anciently religious documents and important information was stored on gold colored plates. They used a copper and gold alloy. It was lighter than gold and soft enough to etch. Joseph Smiths Golden plates would’ve been about 60 pounds not 200 pounds.

[@carlosrodas423]

268K in the BoM, from plates with such small dimensions? This is implausible even if you try to make the excuse that it was written in some kind of reformed Egyptian. The Bible tells us to test all things. The evidence overwhelmingly shows Joseph Smith was a charlatan. People who want to continue believing Mormonism after research are willfully blind.

[@Jake7x1]

has answered my prayer that its true and the Lord will do this for all if one is sincere in knowing.

[@jimsmith163]

Compare he Book of Mormon with the Bible. It doesn't line up. How many times has the Book of Mormon been edited and/or rewritten?? The bible is the work of God inspired by God. The Book of Mormon is a creation inspired by Joseph Smith.

[@CarsonRBrown]

I don’t think you have done much research about how many versions of the Bible there are and how many times things have changed do to translation. The Bible has been changed a lot in the 2,000 odd years.

[@hollayevladimiroff131]

God Bless you Bill McKeever, for speaking the truth!!

[@DanBurress]

Ok so first of all, what would you think about Bill McKever if he had dared to mock Sampson and his strength that the Lord gave him? The plates did not weigh 200 pounds you are being deceived by this cheap carnival trick! The plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated from, might have weighed 65 pounds at the most, according to the 8 men who actually handled them.The fact that this pastor did not even bother to do any digging for the facts, that can be easily discovered is a huge red flag.If he begins his presentation by not telling the truth,why would you trust him with any other evidence? Bill McKeever's real issue has nothing to do with the total mass of the plates, that is just a distraction.He hates the idea of what the Book of Mormon represents,which is additional scripture that testifies of our Savior Jesus Christ.I am going to trust that if the Lord could give Sampson grace in his day, I will equally trust that Joseph had an equal amount of grace kindly given to him, in our day.

[@DanBurress]

So, if this pastor chained himself to a large building and he could not pull it down, are you saying that Sampson was fraud and that the Lord did not assist Sampson as recorded in scripture?Really?

[@shaunjeff45]

It was by the power of God (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost) that brought me into his Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) here on earth in which I trust and believe and in God's Glory in all eternity.

[@bigtobacco1098]

The church is non trinitarian

[@budphillips5968]

Lol, that's the mormon answer to everything

[@curtistolman5830]

The 8 witnesses say they appeared golden but pure gold.

[@HaleStorm49]

"With God _almost_ all things are possible.

[@CraigarMatheny]

When talking to Mormons or JW's I am always amazed at how much effort they put into trying to convince me of things that are such a reach( and blatantly impossibilities) yet will and at the same time ignore plain -as-day information that is indisputable by men/ women of integrity their fields of profession. That's not witnessing, that's purely deceiving

[@MeToo-py1tq]

How did Emma Smith move the plates around while she performed her daily chores? Wouldn't this mean that they were light in weight?

[@DS-si9hg]

Buff farm girl

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"Is Joseph Smith's Story Possible?" Yes. What seems impossible is for him to produce the Book of Mormon in 60 days, from scratch, without education or resources. This would be an easy thing to test; pick out a 21 year old farm boy that has never been to school, maybe a bit of home schooling, set him down with a scribe and in 60 days produce a book similar to the Book of Mormon.

[@tiannabusby8382]

He didn't come up with it in 60 days. He came up with it over the course of years. By his mothers own admission in her writings of his history, Joseph Smith would entertain the family with stories all the time and everyone who knew him acknowledged his good public speaking skills. He was illiterate, not stupid. Once he had a wife and a few friends willing and able to write his stories down, he already had it all figured out. All he had to do was say the words that he had rehearsed a million times, and they wrote it down. Besides that "60 days" was also just a 1st draft. Even the church admits that massive grammatical and organizational edits were made over the years.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@tiannabusby8382 "He didn't come up with it in 60 days. " Says you. "He was illiterate, not stupid." Agreed. "Once he had a wife and a few friends willing and able to write his stories down, he already had it all figured out." Maybe. Seems unlikely. Very unlikely. For a person that does not talk to God (or hear his replies) this is as likely a story as any.

[@kenmccain9743]

​@@tiannabusby8382that's an awful lot of assumptions

[@todd3502]

Its okay for Moses to talk to God and carry the commandments down the mountain made out of stone...

[@BNichols021]

Thin slabs of stone don't weigh 200lbs

[@ChicHulaGirl86]

@@BNichols021 The fact that people have to debate about whether or not the weight of the plates were ACTUALLY the plates, is ridiculous. If only there were witnesses 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@RaysFerDays]

Bill is one of those men who have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. He's not interested in asking with real intent, his focus is on being critical while appearing righteous (and reasonable). He's a modern day stone thrower, a modern day pharisee. There have been many descriptions of the gold plates but he specifically went with the one that gave him the most credibility to his faithless argument. Bill is currently on his road to Damascus, I'd say within 5 (maybe 10) years he'll realize how foolish he's been with his time here on earth.

[@ARAZTXTN]

Witnesses of the plates, Martin Harris and William Smith, said they weighed 40 to 60 lbs, so even if Joseph made up fake plates the basis of this whole video is wrong... Pre Columbian Maya did have a gold copper alloy called Tumbaga, (btw they have even found Tumbaga plates in stone boxes)... but Tumbaga plates of Josephs description would have weighed around 58 lbs. Perfectly within the description of the witnesses. BTW Joseph was known to use anything he could to prove the authenticity of the BOM but never mentioned Tumbaga and it's weight, as if he didn't know about it. Not proof but kinda cool. The angel did say they were gold, so he either meant gold the color or gold the metal, we can't just pick the one that we want we have to look at the whole story, based on the witnesses perhaps the angel meant color or perhaps he didn't care to describe Tumbaga to Joseph Smith bc it really didn't matter. Anyway your fake plate thing is wrong. Also, you said the witnesses saw the plates spiritually somehow, that's very clearly not true, the witnesses did say in the beginning of the BoM they physically held the plates "and as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands" Based on this video I think your being the deceptive one telling everyone the plates weighed 200 lbs.

[@bobhulbert4015]

Bill didn't say the plates weight 200 lbs. He said if they were gold as Joseph Smith claimed the would weight 200 lbs. Bill also discusses in great detail the problems if the plates were made of tumbaga.

[@jjwinn2495]

LOL Tumbaga was never used to make plates to write upon, it was used for religious jewelry articles. NO such gold plates have EVER been found. The Myans wrote glyphs on ceramic, bark-paper or stone. You are using typical mormon deception.

[@briandavis6898]

It is interesting that you accept that Joseph Smith said the angel said gold plated but not that he and other eye witnesses said they weighed about 50 pounds.

[@DanielMitchell-333]

Counter argument: This was not regular gold, but magical gold that came from Heaven and floats, but was used by Captain Moron-I to represent the value of the restored gospel in King James English.

[@kimvisser144]

I've had mormons tell me that God gave Joseph Smith divine strength to carry the heavy gold plates.

[@krissander1]

Strange his wife didn't mention that she got super strong just moving the plates around under a cloth.

[@jimsmith163]

Sure he did. Told him not to cut his hair as well

[@DanBurress]

I assume you believe the Lord gave Sampson the strength he needed,are you going to mock that too?really?

[@ZachBrown-n7t]

It could have been Tumbaga, which is a lot lighter and found all over the Americas. Also, if the Lord can have Moses depart the sea, then why not make someone really strong? If Joseph Smith can't carry something heavy, how can someone part the sea??

[@curtistolman5830]

The gold plates were made from raw gold from the vein, which is mostly copper and silver, this is why the gold plates were not as heavy as shown in this video, there is a difference between gold plates and plates that appear golden. This video is assuming things that are not true.

[@samuelseibert4578]

Do you have a source for that claim?

[@krissander1]

So you don't believe Joseph Smith's story as it was told.

[@SimonDaumMusic]

We know that witnesses, like Martin Harris and William Smith, testified that the plates were gold in colour, weighed around forty to sixty pounds, having engraving upon it that were obviously still there and not distorted due to oxidation. So obviously non-LDS scholars aswell as LDS scholars agree on the fact that the golden plates could not possibly have been made up of pure gold, and this is where things get very intersting. In pre-columbian Mesoamerica, the Spanish discovered that the indigenous people used a metal alloy called „tombaga“, which was composed of gold, copper and sometimes silver. Very interesting in that regard ist hat in the Book of Mormon, Nephi claimes to have had access to each of these metals (2 Nephi 5:15). The copper would have provided the metalsheets with the hardness they needed to preserve the engravings, but would not have necessarily stripped the plates of their golden appearance, and the gold would have saved the plates from oxidizing and turning totally green. We certainly have people describe the plates as being gold, but also have people like William Smith who describes them as a mixture of gold and copper. The geologist and engineer Jerry Grover worked out the math and found out that a set of tumbaga plates could reasonably weigh between 53 and 58 pounds, which fits pretty wellt he claim oft he 40 to 60 pounds by Martin Harries (and not to forget that the plates werent a block of solid material, but rather were described as sheet of metals, meaning there was some space in between the pages.

[@brannonburton5494]

That’s a new one. Joseph has a limp and therefore couldn’t run. This ignores the extensive history about Joseph’s physical prowess. He was known to be unbelievably strong as he wrestled and and played games with people. This is well documented.

[@nightman6349]

You can do all those things with a limp. You can even hop along pretty fast but you can't really run for any amount of time.

[@anichols2760]

Joseph himself declared that "no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing. Persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny (false and defamatory statements/slander) may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent until it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished and the great Jehovah shall say the work is done." So try as you might your efforts will never have the power to make the slightest dent in the progression of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Instead, you will feel darkness, depression, anger, and sorrow when you realize your words destroy the faith of a few and thus send them into wicked paths as a result of poisoining their ability to believe. God has never directed a people to slander another church. Instead of engaging in such disbelief I encourage you to repent. Something the true people of God love to do continually. And I encourage you to use the same energy you use to criticize and disbelieve and do the opposite by deciding to believe and exercise faith in reading the Book of Mormon with a believing heart and I promise you that the shackles of disbelief will fall from your eyes as your hearts soften, thus allowing the Holy Spirit to penetrate your hearts with truth which power will cause you to be struck with awe and wonder. And then you will rejoice in truth and realize the power doubt and disbelief had over you, which kept you from truth until you decided to believe.

[@LeeAnnCummings]

So this is another misrepresentation. 1) the plates were described as having the appearance of gold. 2) the claim that they weighed 200 lbs is not in harmony with witness accounts that the plates weighed between 70 and 90 lb. 3) there was an alloy used in the western hemisphere that had not been described as far as I know at the time the plates were discovered that would actually fit that description. Sort of discredits any other claims you make.

[@ulisscarple]

Thank you, Bill !!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[@rev.stephena.cakouros948]

Mormonism is credulity on steroids.

[@jamesbaldwin7676]

Any gold alloy is still "gold". While pure gold is 24 karat, 10 karat is still considered "gold" and 9 karat in most countries. Pure gold is way too soft for anything, while 14 karat is typical jewelry, watches etc. Tumbaga is a copper/gold alloy and common in pre-Columbian America. The gold plates of Joseph Smith, were handmade and certainly not perfectly flat , factory sheets. Joseph's little sister moved them once from one table to the next. She said they were heavy. Not all of the records were written on gold. Some of the plates were brass. There were eleven official witnesses of the gold plates, but about twenty accounts of record. It wasn't just Joseph Smith.

[@julesverne2509]

Gold has a funny sound unlike other metal. It sounds more like stone than it does metal.

[@priscillaxdestiny]

Maybe DON'T go running down the aisle with a car battery. They might think you're stealing it 😹

[@johnrowley310]

Find the true Jesus of the Bible...

[@stevenhenderson9005]

Can you show evidence that the Jesus described in the New Testament is a different Jesus described in the Book of Mormon?

[@rickdeleon5940]

The golden plates was about 40 pounds. According to the witness.

[@ItsSnagret]

Ya'll believe God parted the Red Sea and that the Son of God came back to life but you don't believe God could help Joseph carry heavy plates....

[@bmo5082]

Exactly. The arrogance, ignorance and hypocrisy this man exhibits is astounding. Personally I do wonder if JS made all of this up, so I don’t really have a dog in the fight.

[@RobertMiller-rd1hw]

@@bmo5082You should read The Book of Mormon for yourself. It’s absolutely mystical. It seems to emerge from nowhere. An unlearned, illiterate farm boy translated 4,000 words a day, into a 500 page book chock full of complexities confirming the deity of Jesus Christ. I have never been closer to Christ in my life as I have than when I’m inspired by LDS. I am a former atheist, who has gone on a long spiritual journey. I’ve found more truth in Mormonism than anything else. The criticisms and arguments against it, are mainly misconceptions warped into “debunks” for the Church. Moroni 10:4 “If ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.”

[@johnskipper2039]

But did Joseph Smith say that this was accomplished through miraculous intervention?

[@adamt995]

9:50

[@johnroberts6695]

As a believing Latter-day Saint, I have no problem with the descriptions of the plates that Joseph Smith, family members and associates gave. The Darius gold plates, by contrast, are square, measuring 13 x 13 inches (33 x 33 cm) and .63 inches (1.6 cm) thick. The plates of the Book of Mormon, as reported by witnesses who saw, felt, hefted and handled them, describe them as weighing 60-65 pounds, having the appearance of gold and being rectangular, about 6 x 8 inches in size. We also don’t know how small the characters were on the plates. They may have been quite small for all we know. By placing a straight-edge (ruler) on the plate and using it to etch the characters in a neat line, the smaller the character, the more could be fit per line, per page, front and back. The real miracle is the Book of Mormon itself. If Joseph Smith made the whole thing up, why gold plates? No engravings on gold plates had ever been found, and when the Darius plates were subsequently discovered, they were in a stone or cement box and covered with a stone, rounded on top, very similar to Smith’s account. Coincidence? How did Smith concoct the gold plates idea? And how did he know the tiniest details of the Arabian Peninsula? How did he know about the valley with a “river of water” running through it, and emptying into the Red Sea? How did he know about NHM (“Nahom”)? And that it was a burial site? How did he know about that tropical area on the east coast that describes Bountiful? How did he know it had trees for shipbuilding, ore for making tools, dramatic cliffs, bees and honey, various types of grain, a mountain Nephi could ascend for communing with the Lord, and inland harbor areas he could use for constructing a ship? How did he know to write complex chiasms and other obscure Hebraisms, and how did he dictate the book for hours on end, looking into a hat and never having any of the manuscript read back to him? And bottom line, if he were a fraud, why did he even _need_ a Book of Mormon? If you take the entire “Restoration” construct and remove the Book of Mormon from the equation, you still have a credible foundation story. Why even bother writing something you might be caught concocting? After all, Smith was writing a story so completely different in time, place and culture. Why risk it all by writing a whole new book of scripture? And if it is a concoction, why hasn’t he been caught? The plates may have been only _partially_ gold, and the composition of the pages may be different through the years. Many anti-Mormon publications questioned the concept of writing on metal. One recent discovery of the Maya hierglyphics reveals a single character, the translation of which is, “And it came to pass.” With no knowledge of the language or the construction of the sentences, to attack the plates themselves is futile. You really need to tell us where the Book of Mormon came from and who wrote it. And good luck with that!

[@markwellsfry9843]

It came from Satan and or his demons.

[@KYKYLUVSDTI]

Jesus help this child

[@tikotiko5328]

There is no way you would’ve had the faith to follow Moses.

[@loretta_3843]

I don't like it when "miracle" becomes the answer for anything difficult. If so, of course you can simply invent whatever you want. You can't have it every way.

[@bfastje]

Really bad argument here. They probably weren't pure gold. The witnesses said it looked like gold and had a greenish color as well. So it was probably gold copper. It probably weighed 40 to 60 pounds. Joseph was a farmer and a wrestler. This is not a superhuman feat of strength.

[@gary_stavropoulos]

Claiming that Jesus was raised from the dead because Jerusalem is a real city is a non sequitur. The Bible just like the Book of Mormon has anachronisms and laughably absurd stories.

[@Rjs81187]

I'm not religious landed here on accident but what if the plates weren't gold as in metal but color

[@VAATAUSILI4139]

Left CHRISTIANITY, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, refused to repent, from personal sins, make excuses.

[@dustin3025]

This is great! More proof that God can work His miracles without us having to know every little miracle that He is doing. Thank you for once again strengthening my testimony in our Heavenly Father and in His son Jesus Christ and in the prophet and book they sent to testify of them.

[@richarner3856]

What flavor Kool Aid do you like best?

[@dustin3025]

After hearing, so many lies, repeated time and time again from all the anti-Mormons, I no longer need to drink Kool-Aid to know the truth.

[@KendraAndTheLaw]

even if there were gold plates that people claim to see, it's easy to make copper look like gold with zinc chloride. And it was a well-known technique in the 1820s.

[@RichardMartinez-vp5lh]

when you dig deep the religion is definitely false.. BUT the plates story isn't that far fetched when u believe a talking donkey, snake, a 200lb man slaying a 2000lbs giant, people that live to crazy ages, raising dead people ect. I'm believe Jesus is the son of God btw ☺

[@prayerwarrior7778]

I see your point. I’d rather have a discussion with the LDS on does their doctrine contradict the biblical gospel or not, rather than what Smith did. They have such strong feelings about Smith, I don’t think that is a good place to start. It won’t get them to question, most of the time, and make actually make them MORE zealous for the LDS faith thus feeding their persecution complex.

[@globalnettuber]

Who says the "giant" was 2000 pounds? People are left to guess his weight.

[@huffpappy]

Why all this concern over the gold plates? The church has admitted that they weren't even used in the BOM translation in the Gospel Topic Essays, which can be found if you hunt around on the church's official website. So the testimony of the three and eight witnesses are irrelevant.

[@BNichols021]

Because if Joseph was lying from the beginning, then the very foundation of the LDS church is based on a lie and the claims of the church lose all credibility.

[@longnamenocansayy]

i say the same thing. they all (mormons) speak out of both sides of their mouth. they say they really really really believe in the book of mormon, and then 2 seconds later they deny anything the b/m says, and claim baptism for the dead, plurality of gods, believe they can become a god too, believe godhood comes from having more than one wife (section 132) and on and on and on.

[@Cowboybrian01]

Because if Joseph lied once then your entire cult is based on a lie and if he lied about that what else did he lie about??

[@erickestrada9454]

And he married underage girls when he was practicing polygamy behind hes wifes back...which is something you will never never hear in the church. Left the church in in 09, best decision ever made no lie.

[@prayerwarrior7778]

@@BNichols021 exactly. And who is the Father or lies? And what did Jesus call the Pharisees?

[@M-Kave-Ultra]

Father crespi had golden plates very similar to what was described.

[@JulioHendricks-r8n]

From what I read in the history concerning the location, the however long he had to keep going back and forth before he could actually obtain the plates, and the story being discussed in this video, it says that there were 24 plates of pure gold. From what I understand this is only concerning the small plates of Nephi. I guess there were much bigger plates of what it said was a less abridged version. Regardless, if these were pure gold as their history states, then wouldn't it be not only extremely heavy but terribly awkward picking them back up off the ground after The first and second encounter? I don't see anybody unless there are bodybuilder, jumping over a log carrying 80 lb.

[@shootergavin3541]

1. No evidence that the plates were ever asserted to be pure gold. Just that they had an appearance of gold. Most likely an alloy. For example the gold/copper alloy Tumbaga that can take on the appearance of gold, hard enough to be preserved for a long time yet soft enough to have engravings be made on them range from 97% gold to about 97% copper with trace metals included. 2. It was not a block of metal but thin sheets with engravings what would remove mass from those plates. The sheets would also not rest on each other perfectly flat. William Smith who held the plates said "I was permitted to lift them as they laid in a pillowcase, but not to see them, as it was contrary to the commands he had received. They weighed about 60 lbs. according to the best of my judgment." (P. Wilhelm Poulson to the editors of the Deseret News, 31 July 1878, Deseret News, 6 August 1878 ) So he placed the plates to be around 60 pounds.

[@buckweaver4584]

Can always rely on LDS for the most impressive mental gymnastics.

[@luminite1633]

The mental gymnastics are wild with this one

[@timtheenchanter6393]

You have a statement of an actual witness who held the plates and estimated them to be around 60lbs? How is that mental gymnastics?

[@gregsteele2820]

@@timtheenchanter6393 Because the "witness" didn't really "witness" anything, he said he didn't see them. It could have been 60lbs of anything

[@gregsteele2820]

Ok, well you come up with any combination of alloys that result in the "appearance of gold" which would have been possible to make in ancient egypt, and make an 8x6x6 hand pounded sheets with engravings, and see if it comes to 60 pounds. It won't.

[@scotthawkins7128]

It’s like I’m in the twilight zone. After using critical thinking and rational thought analyzing the pitfalls of the LDS, then you switch over to Jesus dying for our sins and coming back to life 3 days later 2 thousand years ago. Seems like you’re not applying the same skepticism, logic or reason to your own beliefs. They both sound unbelievable, don’t ya think?

[@biblestudent4726]

can you put the whole book of Mormon on these plates, especially being in "reformed Egyptian"

[@fred-62]

Lets get this straight, Samson could kill a Lion with his bare hands, Moses parted the red sea, Peter walked on water. But Joseph Smith couldnt lift 200 pounds

[@billyates3226]

The entire set of English alphanumeric characters, A-Z and 0-9, are contained in the Anton transcript. Not exactly Reformed Egyptian. The conclusion seems obvious.

[@paulsimmons9512]

Joseph Smith may have been describing to his mother the 6X8X6 plates that were in the stone box. The majority of the plates were then sealed and would not be unsealed for a very long time after Joseph was murdered. Why would the sealed plates be carried home by Joseph if they were not to be translated in the 1800's? The plates to be translated must have been made so as to be seperated from the plates not then to be read. Moroni knew Joseph had to carry the plates home and would have sent with Joseph only that which was needed. Were all the plates to be translated by Joseph carried on just one trip? A second trip that entailed Joseph picking up what was left without any incident or words of Moroni to convey to us, may have been seen as not significant enough history to mention in writing. As we can see that 6X8X6 gold plates were too heavy to carry, those of Joseph's day, who were more familiar with the weight of gold since gold circulated among them as in hand money, described the plates as ,movable so as to be hefted and another time carried in a way so as to hand them through a window. 200 lbs plates would be barely moveable by most people then and now. So, we simply are missing information as to how much gold Joseph was given to take home and perhaps just when he took all that was needed.

[@masterbulgokov]

I don't believe Joseph's story - any of them. However, the angel says they were "gold" could be referring to their color. In a letter to John Wentworth, Joseph said the plates were between 40 and 60 lbs. He wasn't stupid, and giving the dimensions up he would also have had to do the math on the weight of gold - it's not like he didn't know what gold weighed. I like the attack vector described in the video, and I think it's a reasonable one. I'll add it to the other 999 reasons why the whole grand tale from NY to Nauvoo doesn't add up. But I think the Mormons have a reasonable rationale to explain away enough of the "too heavy" argument to "put it on the shelf".

[@jesseferdinandpasco1661]

Joseph Smith : Trust me bro!

[@IIrandhandleII]

When you apply a microscope to another religion but not your own. Golden plates is more plausible than noahs ark and samsons magical hair.

[@petertherock7340]

The Joseph Smith account is patently ridiculous. This account of “gold plates” is contrary to the way “Scripture” was passed on (Tradition) by Jewish scribes and Catholic monks down through the centuries. Scripture was written originally on “parchment” and then recopied meticulously by learned men in both Judaism and Christianity ✝️. 😊😊😊

[@JaeMonroe0988]

Gold is a color… it’s not just a metal

[@briandavis6898]

This has been hashed and rehashed. Single answer. Yes it's possible.

[@markdavison7069]

Joseph Smith senior instigated a fabricated story, borrowed from many sources, when Junior was a young boy. Senoir was a school teacher , Universalist, he made a moc set of plates, being a cooper ( a maker of barrels ) Senior did many things, farming was not his thing, Name sake son rises to the challenge , also schooled by dad as a treasure hunter , Senior become patriarch of Prophet son new religion.

[@ajgibson1307]

God bless and Amen

[@theriveroffaith852]

Perhaps if these plates came to us today, they might be different than what we expect?

[@jonathannerz1696]

Where can we find the full clips of the replica plates shown in this video?

[@barrysrandomness]

This is all assuming the plates were pure gold, which is likely not true. Solid gold would have no ability to hold engravings for hundreds of years. It was likely an alloy of gold, silver and copper and plates of such an alloy would weight between 50 and 70 pounds.

[@dfoster4234]

What ever lies you have to tell yourself. Come on man... Christianity is logical, Mormonism is not. Doctrines of demons, you have been fed a lie.

[@HeeBeeGB]

The first time I heard the gold plates story, I knew it was fake. Clunky as heck. How do they sell this to people? The way the Book of Mormon is written is very suspicious. Just read it.

[@dylandavis7295]

The plates are described as being "golden" not "gold". With a false assumption about "gold" your conclusion are wrong.

[@DanielMitchell-333]

The story is a litmus test to find the gullible suckers that won't ask too many logical questions. If you swallow the crap you're fed, then it's on to high-pressure sales pitch to get baptized into the difficulty of letting go of sunk costs and admit you are a sucker.

[@dallintagg1950]

If you apply the same logic to stories like Noah’s Ark or Adam and Eve the Bible falls apart as well.

[@joblack420]

That is not the golden book And this story has changed As a young kid going to the church and seeing the golden book And it's not the same Who changed all this ??

[@leocrawf]

The plates were of the appearance of Gold, but they were not of pure gold. It was a mixture of Gold, silver and copper. 1 nephi 18: 25, & 1 nephi 19:1. Other witnesses said they saw the plates with a greenish tone suggesting the presents of copper. Therefore, it would not have had the weight of pure gold. Do little more research on the subject. Do some research on Tumbaga.