Godzilla Vs Cthulhu

[@Lcirex]

no matter who wins. We lose.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

it's jus tlike my game Cthulhu Wars!

[@DeadManSinging1]

Godzilla is usually a good guy though. In the Japanese movies anyway

[@uh.theroyalwe]

@@DeadManSinging1 That's questionable. In the first movie and in Shin Godzilla, the monster is neither good nor bad. He is a force of nature. It's a consequence of human actions. Godzilla became "a good guy" to make the franchise profitable and sell more films, according to the director himself.

[@T2266]

Reason Cthulhu might want to fight that way: You know, for fun.

[@ToddHimself]

This video got me thinking of how to add godzilla into the context of a lovecraft world. I think it would make sense for godzilla to be a serpent man experiment. Because they always were under the shadow of the more advanced races with atomic weapons and godzilla could be their attempt at making atomic weapons. Like they made the snake god.

[@toddellner]

A very nice idea, especially since some versions of Serpent People go for sorcery and alchemy rather than physical technology. Very much Harry Harrison's _West of Eden_

[@SandyofCthulhu]

@@toddellner makes sense to me.

[@erichinkle7347]

This leaves me wondering if all those attacks by Godzilla over the years were at least partly a cover for the Serpent Men to remove particular humans and replace them with Serpent Man infiltrators. Who's going to notice Dr. Whatsisname ac ting oddly after that kaiju attack if he 'conveniently' discovers how to drive Godzilla off this time?

[@anarchyandempires5452]

Honestly I think Godzilla already fits perfectly, he is extremely lovecraftian when you get down to it. Especially shin Godzilla. I mean at First look he looks like a lizard, a giant dinosaur like monster, but that is literally only skin deep the damn thing is made out of tumors and cancer, he's literally a collection of ever evolving, Ever adapting, ever regenerating cancer cells powered by a Biological Fusion Furnace, it's not a monster, it's a goddamn cancerous star.

[@osoewert6439]

Great video, Sandy. I really enjoyed this one. I would love to see this one played out on film. I would assume they'd go the route that a lot of the films do and have Godzilla protecting us from Cthulhu as he's taking over/destroying the world. Regardless, I'd be ready to drop the money for a ticket.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

The Reiwa Godzillas have generally positioned big G as a bad guy, though in the past he has faced off things worse than him. Which Cthulhu clearly qualifies as.

[@osoewert6439]

Sandy of Cthulhu also, I just added Shin Godzilla to the list of things we need to watch.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

@@osoewert6439 i really liked it.

[@deplorabledegenerate2630]

Cthulu: ... you just shoot a beam of concentrated radiation out your mouth and kill that starspawn? Godzilla: insert affirmative sounding roar here Cthulu, flying into space singing: Fuck this shit I'm out.

[@thriddoctor]

Godzilla has killed whole pantheons of gods, destroyed planets, walked through the levels of hell killing all the demons and finally killing Satan himself and sitting on the throne of hell. Much as i love Cthulhu he would be toast against Godzilla.

[@mandilarator]

Ok, this was one of the most enjoyable Sandy videos! The part about Cthulhu having arranged for a cultist to pilot one of the Pacific Rim robots, really cracked me up!

[@cathnbabs]

I wonder why a super-genius level alien being, older than the universe, with mastery over space-time and parallel dimension and ftl space travel and with billions of years of experience and with mind powers beyond our understanding and an army of horror at his disposal would decide to go in a fistfight against an over-sized indestructible nuclear lizard. It's like if Dr. Strange would go in a fistfight with the Hulk when he can destroy his brain or send him into an alternate dimension.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

because it's fun to imagine? Like who would win, Frankenstein's Monster or Captain America.

[@williamberry4597]

@@SandyofCthulhu that is an MCU movie I would watch!

[@Toirneachgames]

I would actually love a keiju game designed by Sandy...with obviously great old ones cameo. Maybe one day ?

[@MrWarlord396]

Tangentially-related question regarding Star-Spawn psychic influence. In 'A Wrinkle in Time', the protagonists meet an alien intelligence that's conditioned a planet of people into rote, robotic obedience and is seen enforcing its control through logic and mathematics-based means (it encourages the protagonists to recite multiplication tables, which the protagonists counter by reciting poetry and songs to enforce creativity and emotionally-based freedom of thought). In the Call of Cthulhu story, we see the opposite--it's the artists and dreamers and people less connected to the hard lines of our own reality that are most affected by Cthulhu rolling over in his sleep. So my question would be, are logical, analytical people somewhat less vulnerable to psychic influence (with their thoughts and perceptions rooted so strongly in a solid understanding of our own physical laws and causality) and, knowing that mundane geometry also has power in the mythos (the Hounds of Tindalos travelling through angles) could keeping one's thoughts focused on things like mathematics and scientific formulas, and perhaps surrounding oneself with Euclidean geometrical patterns, help stave off the madness and controlling influence of a Star-Spawn?

[@thriftjunkgaming1670]

i'd be more interested to see Cthulhu square off against the emperor of mankind.

[@Enriqueguiones]

Godzilla would win because that bastard ALWAYS wins.

[@toddellner]

Cthulhu is an emissary of a highly advanced civilization. Not only does he have followers, they have access to weapons technology which we cannot even imagine. Even if Godzilla is pretty buff it would only take a few minutes for the Big C to come up with a weapon that will turn Godzilla into the world's largest pair of alligator shoes and matching luggage. As you say, bears. In our history once humans came up with fire and atlatls the 1200kg (2600lbs in Freedom Units) Short-Faced Cave Bear was history.

[@chrissouthey5748]

I had an idea for a sort of subtype of scenario for Pulp Cthulhu, which is basically dealing with massive avatars/manifestations/whatever-you-call-them of Eldritch beings (my personal jump off point was a manifestation of Bastet vs. an eldritch canine being, because "fighting like cats and dogs") and the investigators would have to try prevent it or at least get as many people away as possible and maybe coverup what actually happened

[@nightwatcher2652]

The only mecha that can stand a chance vs Cthulhu is something as ridiculous as the Gurren Lagann.

[@singletona082]

All things considered? Pretty much ya. The problem is its ability is dependant on the pilot's will and that is the first thing Cthuhlu attacks.

[@VaultBoy13]

This video makes me want a board game that's giant monster fight club.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

petersengames.com/cthulhu-wars/

[@liquidink2413]

I feel the Godzilla films never play King Ghidorah up for the full eldritch potential they set him up with in his first appearance.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

that's for sure.

[@verticalflats2816]

There was a comic book where Godzilla escaped hell also

[@celdur4635]

We would have to develop anti psychic technology, probably build big machinery to power it to a scale of being able to withstand an old one, and have "Reality Anchors" to prevent warping powers from working, similar to how the SCP foundation has the, to deal with reality warpers. Basically living just raw strength as a viable option to fight. Ofc that would take a nation of very industrious people working together to make it happen.

[@Thagomizer]

Someone needs to make this movie.

[@ghoulsarefree]

Hey Sandy, I thought it was obvious that Godzilla would win as he has defeated other shape shifting enemies such as Hedorah, but I think you have a very good point about mind control turning the table. I think the part Godzilla part Cyborg Kiryu from Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla would have a fighting chance as it was known to fight off Godzilla's ramapaging instincts. Also consider that King Ghidorah is also a super genius like Cthulhu and from all we know seems to be a possible star spawn.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

Hedorah doesn't shape-shift during the battle much. Godzilla's tough fight vs. Biolante is probably the closest he's come to Cthulhu.

[@jarrod6670]

So I assume there is a Godzilla vs Cthulhu Kickstarter campaign coming soon, with all the side monsters and characters from each universe? Would be cool, I was hoping for this when I went to this video. Maybe some crossovers for Planet Apocalypse, Gods War, etc. If you did this, maybe with giant robots, then we could tell you who would win...

[@denistyrant]

You got a source or something?

[@SpectrumDT]

Alas, Godzilla is under copyright. 🙁

[@denistyrant]

Claus Appel True. We gotta wait until he goes public domain, which we probably won’t see for several decades.

[@SpectrumDT]

@@denistyrant : Hey, you're that guy from Quora! 😃

[@denistyrant]

Claus Appel yeah

[@GeezLightning]

Very interesting points, though Godzilla doesn't always travel alone, (Mothra, Rodan, etc). Also, Godzilla lore continually gains new shenanigans; the city melting Mothra power-up from King of Monsters comes to mind. I haven't seen Shin Godzilla yet, but apparently when he dies, he just becomes a new bigger Godzilla. Maybe Cthulhu is a final/ alt form of Shin Godzilla? Either way, though I don't have an atom of your Cthulhu knowledge, I'm giving it to Godzilla. Hard to go up against a guy who has a giant Ape with a magic axe as a side-kick. As to weather or not Cthulhu could be destroyed by Godzilla, (or advanced humans) Even most humans, with a decent number of tricks at their disposal, don't go out of their way to kick a hornets nest. Just because you survive, doesn't mean it wont hurt a lot. And how have cartoons taught us to avoid stinging swarms? You hide under water.

[@ADarkandStormyNight]

I am curious how you calculated Cthulhu's height? I was led to understand from Call of Cthulhu that he is a great deal larger than that. In fact I believe the narrator described him as a couple miles high, but due to non-euclidean space he is able to do the whole sleeping in the ocean thing. Did I miss something?

[@SandyofCthulhu]

i have a video about How Big is Cthulhu. It's only a few minutes long.

[@rodneykelly8768]

In my campaigns, I measure entities' strength using the Kardashev scale. Cthulhu,s strength is 1 on the Kardashev scale. While humanity is 0.7 Kardashev scale, (Roughly.)

[@shieldslinger]

Would Godzilla not be reduced to fear and gibbering insanity?

[@denistyrant]

In the Anime series, he’s the symbol of fear.

[@SwatterX]

Godzilla also battled out of Hell and destroyed the avatar of Satan. So I would not take doubt his ability in taking down Cthulhu.

[@sp1der957]

His feats?

[@denistyrant]

Gašper Vidovič Oh sure they don’t. God Mountain has been to have created the universe where Godzilla from the comic lived in. And God Demon story wise should be at least comparable to him

[@denistyrant]

@Gašper Vidovič Lol, do you know how canon works. Yes it can be confirmed canon by authors so your point? Your claim of saying it isn’t in the comic, even though author states this what happen is beyond ignorant. You can’t argue against author statements sorry. :) Grow up and admit your wrong, your argument is only falling to the floor.

[@denistyrant]

@Gašper Vidovič Lol, your argument really doesn’t make sense. You clearly didn’t read this: “A few comments later a fan posted a sequence from the comics that shows this in action. During Geoff Johns' New 52 run Aquaman was hit with a hail of bullets. Most of them bounced off him, but that's because they hit his Atlantean armor. One though managed to nick him on the head, and when he turns back towards his enemies a small trail of blood can be seen coming down.” Source: www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/dc/amp/news/aquaman-director-can-arthur-be-hurt-by-bullets/ You really need to do more research in the DC Comics. It’s widely said that Presence is the supreme creator of the DC Multiverse. If your talking about the Overvoid, just saying your wrong. Presence created everything while Overvoid watches them all. Sure it can be assumed that Thanos became the ruler of the Marvel Multiverse, however the problem is we know what TOAA is capable of, comics before. Darkseid was defeated by Doomsday, however the main problem is that there’s only one Darkseid which is he’s true form. And to get this out of the way, both writers of the issue said the same thing. So argument debunked.

[@denistyrant]

@Gašper Vidovič He’s not bulletproof, he’s bullet resistance. There’s a difference in between those words LOL.

[@budahbaba7856]

Ok, but what about when Godzilla's tag team buddy Mothra shows up!? Keep in mind too, that these monsters never truly die.

[@denistyrant]

For if Godzilla has his own cell spawn. ._.

[@Wolfphototech]

*I'd back gojira ( Godzilla ) .* *I've watched every single godzilla movie .* *Godzilla's Atomic breath & Atomic pulse would be the key to winning against Cthulhu .*

[@juddgoswick2024]

Why do we assume that Godzilla isn't a Star-Spawn?

[@SandyofCthulhu]

Because it's canon that he is a godzillasaurus awakened from the deep ice by an atomic bomb and mutated. See Godzilla vs King Ghidorah 1991 for details.

[@winster6257]

I'm not sure how familiar with Japanese Anime you are Sandy, but the scenario of mechs versus Cthulhu essentially plays out in the show Evangelion and it... yeah a lot of your concerns are represented in that shows human conflict with unknowable beings.

[@Vegeta-k9o]

Not mechs tho. Armored giant whosiwhatsits made of the unknowable beings own cells.

[@scotth4713]

Godzilla has script immunity. Godzilla wins. Cthulhu however would not be killed, because good bad guys always come back. ;)

[@azreth7190]

Who has won against Cthulhu? SCP Foundation.

[@singletona082]

scp-2662 Theoretically contained, but only because it doesn't want to leave yet.

[@jasonsantos3037]

How about King Kong fight one of great old ones.

[@sirguy6678]

It’s all fun and games until elder magick enters into the fight

[@BenFrayle]

Gods don't get into wrestling matches with giant lizards. Cthulhu would clearly be outclassed, even if he did have his own 'energy beam'.

[@denistyrant]

Gasper Vidovic Nope. He destroyed Heaven and conquered Hell, so nope Godzilla godstomps.

[@denistyrant]

Gasper Vidovic Ha read this buddy. character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Godzilla_(Canon,_IDW)/GKOTM19?useskin=oasis#WikiaArticleComments This is a good post to find information on writers. Go home mate, why are overhyping Cthulhu? And they even confirmed he remade Earth. comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/ultimate-godzilla-respect-thread-2025840/ Scroll down, to see what I mean.

[@denistyrant]

Cole Taylor Nope, it’s literally from the writer himself. Sorry, it might sound fanfiction, but it’s official

[@denistyrant]

Cole Taylor Not really, it’s not fan made. Also based doesn’t mean fanmade what I’ve heard. Since the mixed stories of other Godzillas into their own. Sorry it’s an OFFICIAL comic Godzilla. Godzilla isn’t only a movie franchise. And it still doesn’t sound fanfiction. Also HOW would it be fanmade if they literally got RIGHTS from TOHO? Explain that. It’s an official Godzilla, sorry.

[@SpectrumDT]

You say Cthulhu leads millions of star-spawn who may be as large as he is. What is your source for the number and size of the star-spawn?

[@cuthulux]

Being that he wrote the first edition of the Call of Cthulhu Role playing game, he could source himself if he wanted.

[@SpectrumDT]

@@cuthulux : I suspect he is doing exactly that. Sandy Petersen has a habit of making no distinction between "canon" and his own inventions.

[@cuthulux]

@@SpectrumDT His own inventions are "canon." He's literally the guy who wrote the Lovecraftian bible that other writers reference when they want to stay close to Canon.

[@cuthulux]

@@SpectrumDT As much as Lovecraftian lore has a "Canon."

[@SpectrumDT]

@@cuthulux : Exactly. That's why I want to know WHAT his source is.

[@singletona082]

The way I see it? Cthuhlu isn't something Godzilla could kill normally (I'm discounting nuclear meltdown Godzilla, or some other empowerment.) I could see Godzilla knocking Cthuhlu down or otherwise forcing it back. However Cthuhlu represents too 'alien' of a thing to really be put down in traditional fashion. Cthuhlu however would recognize that while Godzilla can't 'properly' kill it, Big G can be enough of an obstacle that it can't afford to just ignore and go about its business. YMMV on if Cthuhlu would recognize in time that Godzilla is a threat greater than 'oh my that ia BIG animal that could go stompy stompy all over the cultists doing my bidding' or, if this is the Monsterverse with the Hollow Earth and all, recognize what Godzilla is and 'Aw crhist i thought all of these got killed off. This could be a problem.' As much as I DISLIKE Lovecraft's storytelling, Cthuhlu a written is too powerful for something purely terrestrial like Godzilla to permanently harm.

[@Headaches_hurt]

they are definitely gonna team up

[@kesslynramirez2714]

Godzilla could probably Call his friends and minions to help

[@johnpfeifer5384]

Shin Godzilla is Best Godzilla

[@carsonsmith7314]

Hail Godzilla! Praise be to Cthulhu!

[@conehead_mark1853]

doom slayer vs cthulhu?? or kratos vs cthulhu??

[@peterbirt7248]

Your his priestess not his priest

[@Shaderaygun]

If you haven’t, you should watch Godzilla Singular Point. It’s an anime that makes Godzilla into essentially a Lovecraftian deity, complete with warping space and time.

[@RPGNook]

Yeah, Dagon would be a better comparison

[@daryldixon8002]

Godzilla is awesome but Cthulhu whould win no problem.

[@unperson5713]

HPL was pre-atomic era. His fiction was uninfluenced by knowledge of hiroshima and nagasaki or the atom bomb. In HPL's mind, using something as massive as the bulk and momentum of a commercial ship to destroy his antagonist was a novel and audacious idea. He lacked perspective. Godzilla was born of the experience of hiroshima and nagasaki or the atom bomb. Godzilla is the atomic era personified. Ishirō Honda had the atomic perspective. I am sorry to say this, I am an HPL fanboy, but Cthulhu could not defeat Godzilla.

[@denistyrant]

Oh my, that’s good info I haven’t found out about. I mean I know it was before atomic era, but I didn’t know it would impact the fight. Thank you for this info.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

@Gašper Vidovič Right, but he lacked the post-atomic perspective.

[@unperson5713]

Godzilla is atomic power harnessed by mankind in order to destroy itself. Cthulhu represents cosmic nihilism, the inconsequential nature of mankind. In a way, they are the same. Even if Godzilla defeated Cthulhu in a martial contest, which he undoubtedly would, Cthulhu stills wins. Such a contest would certainly spell an end to humanity, leaving the earth a nuclear wasteland and all who dwelt upon its surface rendered unto dust.

[@unperson5713]

@Gašper Vidovič Stats : Joined Sep 18, 2020 So you joined KZbin yesterday?

[@unperson5713]

@Gašper Vidovič Why?

[@mandodelorian4668]

With the level of Nerd Controversy this topics sparks, the only way to it is a follow up video titled- **"Goku vs Chtulhu"** - Fight!

[@LordOfFlies]

Goku obviously.

[@Entropy3ko]

@@LordOfFlies Nope

[@LordOfFlies]

@@Entropy3ko Goku is literally on Azathoths level if not stronger. Cthulhu gets one shot.

[@unclecrusty5476]

@@LordOfFlies if Goku was on "Azathoths level" he would no longer be able to be even remotely recognizable as somewhat human

[@LordOfFlies]

@@unclecrusty5476 You think looking ugly == strong?

[@bonbondurjdr6553]

Godzilla from the mini-series of Japanese movies "Planet of Monsters" would have a chance against Cthulhu, though. I highly suggest watching it, it's a really fun and dramatic ride! :D The 3D requires some used-to... but once that's done, the movies are a lot of fun! It's on Netflix!

[@inquisitormaddox8581]

I recommend you watch Project Brutality 3.0 it’s a awesome mod for the original doom and doom 2

[@Zimzilla99]

Going off their original versions Godzilla stomp Cthulhu. Depending on the version of Godzilla it’s still a stomp. Showa Godzilla was the main example of a Godzilla being mind controlled.

[@kesslynramirez2714]

Any depends which Godzilla In which form there in

[@ЛордРекс]

Cthuhlu defeats the stupid mortal lizard

[@AgentHarris-ww1sy]

Godzilla is Jenna Jameson

[@kesslynramirez2714]

What happens with Godzilla And Cthulhu we're friends

[@kesslynramirez2714]

Mothra could probably break Godzilla out of the mind Control godzillas immune to Mind controller heisi Godzilla it Immune to my control See it on multiplication But depending on which version of Godzilla it is Godzilla my willingly work with him If he had his If Cthulhu Hurt his son Godzilla will try to kill him

[@kesslynramirez2714]

What about Godzilla's nuclear pulses

[@kesslynramirez2714]

Then why would burning godzillas Infinite spiral heat Ray Play do to him

[@rickychapman3377]

it dose matter what godzilla your using godzilla earth has fought Lovecraften creatures before and won so he could beat cthulhu but og gojra not so much godzilla who escaped hell he probably win

[@CycoSven69]

Hulk vs Cthulhu. Hulk wins.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

Dude. Hulk has lost to Storm, Wolverine, Deadpool, and even Hawkeye. Cthul wouldn't even break a sweat.

[@CycoSven69]

@@SandyofCthulhu You must have read some crappy Hulk comics. I don't recall Hulk/Savage Hulk losing to bums like that in the classic Marvel Hulk comics. And I have all those issues. Dude. Savage Hulk stomps all over Cthulhu.

[@saadamehdi2848]

@@CycoSven69 dude, hulk is weak to reality warping and magic, and this is precisely what he would go against. Heck, Cthulu is closer to a low-level cosmic entity.... which would trash even world-breaker hulk.

[@CycoSven69]

@@saadamehdi2848 Galaxy Master AND Abomination with twice the strength were defeated by Hulk right after each other. So no, Cthulhu would be smashed. Dude.

[@gearmachine_4885]

I have to say I still dont see how a being that was defeated by a single boat could (at least easily) stand a chance against the King of Monsters.

[@denistyrant]

It’s argued Cthulhu just awoken, but either way, not sure. Because unlike Cthulhu, Godzilla, as long as he lives, he just gets stronger.

[@mandodelorian4668]

IMO, you're correct. The Cult of Cthulhu (aka "fanbois") always try tp hype up the big guy too much, but as you said, he was taken out by a boat. Also, keeping in mind that HPL wrote his novels before the implementation of the Atomic Bomb. Which was a complete game-changer. I mean this thing is in an almost literal sense, the Weapon of God. I imagine it would have terrified him to see humanity having access to that kind of power. Cthulhu cool, but also tends to be very overhyped, IMO, people tend to want to put him on the same level as Azathoth, Nyarlathotep and Yog-Sothoth.

[@denistyrant]

Mando Delorian Thank you, heck there’s a reliable Quora user who knows a lot of the Mythos and he admitted that Humanity could find a way to defeat Cthulhu.

[@denistyrant]

Cole Taylor It’s likely isn’t his star spawn. Unless I forgot something.

[@denistyrant]

Cole Taylor Doesn’t really matter, we gotta use what we know about Cthulhu. This is a versus battle, we gotta use what we know of Cthulhu.

[@denistyrant]

He may stand a good chance against the film incarnations. But against IDW Godzilla, who literally resisted God’s telepathy and even destroyed heaven, and conquered Hell. Cthulhu would give a good fight, but yeah.

[@denistyrant]

Gasper Vidovic Nope. You’re just being biased mate. You really don’t know anything about Godzilla.

[@denistyrant]

Gasper Vidovic No you don’t mate. Sorry, you really don’t. Godzilla wins end of discussion. And you know that I have friends online who know more about Cthulhu than me, and they saw that Cthulhu isn’t as powerful as people claim. XD

[@denistyrant]

Cole Taylor Nope, he cant mate, writers stated otherwise. So sorry mate. And how is IDW Godzilla fanfiction, it’s from an actual comic book company. You’re comment doesn’t make any sense AT ALL.

[@mmestari]

@@denistyrant "And how is IDW Godzilla fanfiction, it’s from an actual comic book company." It's fanfiction if it's not written by the original author, being published by a company means squat. Do you have explicit statement from writers of original Gojira, that what IDWs manga is actually canon? Not only is not fanfiction, it's ridiculously badly written fanfiction.

[@denistyrant]

@@mmestari How are they fanfiction you don’t even know what the definition of fanfiction is. It would be unlicensed, if it was fanfiction. Also Godzilla has different continuity’s, each come and go. To be fanfiction it would have to be unlicensed, but IDW Godzilla comics are licensed. Your argument is not only flawed but it’s fucking stupid, from your point of view I can literally say the same thing for Cthulhu Mythos, and it would make sense because Cthulhu is public domain. Godzilla isn’t. You can literally see all of the licensed and fanfiction comics here. Spoiler alert: IDW Godzilla isn’t in the gamification category. wikizilla.org/wiki/List_of_Godzilla_comics_and_manga#Comics