MSI X870 Tomahawk WiFi

[@jamesdean-h1v]

I don't believe it, again I have complete watching your video. ONE hour my god. Your presentation is addictive, to listen and to watch. You seems to have the consumers'' heart with your reviews. I like and appreciate the way you warn and point out details on the products. Keep up the good work, your reviews are always amazing.👍

[@KleoYan]

Hi james dean, welcome back and thank you for your kind words, to be honest, may be is just my principle. I dislike to do b-rolls and flashing christmas tree content. What's more important is the stand point as a PC Builder. These are the 4 questions when I do a content. 1) Why is it that great 2) What makes it that great 3) If it worth getting? if it's not 1) to 3), 4) It will be a guide content.

[@canerongun6600]

​@@KleoYanHi bro, i have a msi x870 tomahawk, how i can do raid 1

[@KleoYan]

@@canerongun6600 hi and welcome to my channel. Do pardon me, I no longer do raid on nvme drives since year 2021. If you really want to, you can try asking here www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/

[@jeffpurins8229]

this is the MB i bought. this video is incredibly helpful, especially with the detailed explanation of the pci lanes and ssds. thank you!

[@KleoYan]

@@jeffpurins8229 hi and welcome back. I am glad this content did aid you. Thank you for your feedback and all the best with your build too 😉

[@briancollins6974]

Thank you so much for the excellent explanation of everything. I've ordered this motherboard, i'll feel confident installing it now, thanks to your video. 👍

[@KleoYan]

@@briancollins6974 hi and welcome to my channel. I am glad this content did aid you. I have comments stated that g.skill rams are rather sensitive for this board to boot. I can’t say 100% they are bad. Just got to be careful when purchasing ram sticks. In my experience. I have use KingBank DDR5 rams and they work for most x870e boards. This board too.

[@RN1441]

I really like this board. It's designed for functionality, seems to make really good use of the PCIe lanes, and doesn't waste money on RGB spray all over the board.

[@KleoYan]

Hi RN1441, welcome to my channel. I am glad you like this board, infact is the fastest when comes to ram training. watch this as I did a comparision 😉

[@petemisc4291]

For the lane sharing, you could have done better by using the manuals block diagram

[@KleoYan]

HI Pete Misc, welcome back. Good point again. I will take note and request for documentation for that. Thank you!

[@petemisc4291]

@ you can get the manual from by way of the internet, no need to request, just download it.

[@KleoYan]

@ I don’t think you understand this. I do know I can download it from the internet but when I have these boards. They are not even release yet, that’s why I will have to request for it.

[@petemisc4291]

@ it’s already on the MSI website, I just downloaded the manual and was looking at it, perhaps for future boards you may have to ask your contacts for the manual

[@KleoYan]

@@petemisc4291 that’s what I have answered you on my first reply. 😉

[@dnatech4477]

Sent my junk Asus ROG Hero Crosshair back and installed this Tomahawk. Never looked back!!!!!!!!!

[@KleoYan]

Hi DNA Tech, welcome to my channel. Wow what happen hmm. 🤔

[@dnatech4477]

@@KleoYan it wouldn't recognize my memory. GSkill 6000 Flare. As soon as you clicked expo and save (Freeze) I tried updating BIOS and it would freeze in BIOS section under update with default settings. I've used Gigabyte/MSI for the past 20 years. I'll keep using them!

[@KleoYan]

@@dnatech4477 I see. ok got you. well am glad you like this board and it function for you fully. Thank you for sharing. 👍👍👍

[@Wanninaninaninanina]

Funny, I built pc with same case and mobo last week. I was looking for case to go with this board and randomly saw video about it. Now i also have cable mod with black and green sleeve as well.

[@KleoYan]

@@Wanninaninaninanina hi and welcome to my channel. Oh you are building this board with the Geometric future model 5 chassis too? It will be a very nice match 😉

[@johnrambo4877]

I just build my setup with this MB and 9800x3d, using two slot ram. after first run I went to bios and updated to last version. I installed win11 24h2h. after installing all lastest drivers I went to bios finally use EXPO amd and that is it. Gigabayte and Asus are overprice for me in my country. This mobo has better spec from all 870 is the best, maybe asrock nova(x870) but it was not avaiable so I went for Tomahawk. Good work msi you prepare for hype for 9800x3d. Seems asus and gigabyte sleeps. All MB for 870/870x have some issues + win11/drivers it is new stuff and seems they move resource to flop ultra motherboards first. memory what I use is Goodram IRDM DDR5 6000mhz 30cl (hynix) aviable in east europe. After update bios, bios reports me, from unknow/undified to correct name.

[@KleoYan]

Hi john rambo, welcome to my channel. Thank you for sharing your experience.. glad everything work out well for you too 👍👍👍

[@KleoYan]

@@Healthy_Toki Hi and welcome to my channel. Infact this motherboard might be of X870 but it does perform well.

[@casparas]

Great review, the only thing I would mention is that X3D gaming mode disables SMT. I have this motherboard and its great with 9800X3D.

[@KleoYan]

@@casparas Hi and welcome to my channel. Thanks for the info, greatly appreciated it 👍👍👍

[@jeanpoma5485]

What a great review, very thorough. Thank you that was great breakdown. Just one question i heard that PCI express board slot bandwidth wasnt shared with anyother motherboard component, im i wrong?

[@KleoYan]

@@jeanpoma5485 hi welcome to my channel. Nope it does not share lane. But for If you plug the 5th m.2 slot with a nvme, the last PCIe slot will be disabled.

[@jeanpoma5485]

​@@KleoYan Oh I see, thank you for the clarification. Look forward to your other reviews.

[@KleoYan]

@@jeanpoma5485 you are most welcome 😉

[@Daybreaker-13]

Hi Kleo, how do you remove the chipset heatsink to replace the cmos battery?

[@KleoYan]

HI One3-Daybreaker, welcome to my channel. You will need to locate and unscrew those screws that are holding on the the X870E chipet at the bottom, once the whole piece is out, you will then be able to replace the CMOS battery.

[@RandomYooser]

Hey, Kleo! Long time no see! I hope your'e doing well. I was very close of buying this motherboard when i thought my motherboard was bad, but I ended up resolving my issue. My rams was running too high. XMP profile made my rams run max 6400mhz. I cmos the motherboard and left xmp on disabled and chose the multiplier instead and now its running normal again. Only thing I dont like is only the green color since my build is a all black build.

[@KleoYan]

Hi Ya Random Yooser, welcome back. Good to see you again and hope you are doing well. Btw, thank you for your feedback. 👍 I do understand many who are concerned about the color but it will be pitch perfect for this special edition case www.geometricfuture.com/product-1/33. of course not everyone will like the color green. Infact it's more of a lime color. 😂

[@zanaszlibinas1389]

Regarding M.2 slot 2, I enabled it to run x4 in bios, which means that my usb c's should've been disabled. However, I was still able to charge my phone with it being disabled. Does that mean that x4 setting in bios did not take effect and my m.2 is running at 50% only?

[@KleoYan]

Hi Žanas Žlibinas, welcome to my channel. Charging is ok but transfering at 40G will be an issue.

[@davesmit2199]

Would be awesome to see a review about the X870E Taichi :o

[@KleoYan]

@@davesmit2199 welcome to my channel, let’s see what I can do. No promises thank you. 🙂

[@petemisc4291]

Surprised that there is so little movement of the GPU lock mechanism

[@KleoYan]

Hi Pete Misc, welcome to my channel. Infact you have point out a very important point. when the less movement at the front clip. I believe it will be best to remove the card, starting at the rear of the GPU, so that the front hook of the GPU will not get hook to the front clip of the motherboard. thanks for sharing your thoughts, greatly appreciated it.

[@kawersris333]

If this motherboard is mounted on King 95pro casing can the artic liquid freezer iii fit on top and doesnt block by the vrm heat sink? This radiator is thicker than the other models.

[@KleoYan]

Hi jm, welcome to my channel it will not be a problem if you are using a liquid freezer III 360, the content here though i have mentioned LF2, the LF3 is of the same measurements. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJSUfndml8eWpacsi=5UnFZnObx_jWeFPr&t=1545

[@vanalleswat2338]

Thank you zo muts👍

[@KleoYan]

@@vanalleswat2338 hi and Merry Christmas. You are most welcome 😉

[@mofous]

Fellow X870 Tomahawk owners, have you updated to the latest beta bios? Any issues / bugs? I'm holding out for a non-beta bios before I upgrade, but knowing MSI it might be months, so ...

[@KleoYan]

Hi Zabojnik, welcome to my channel, so far nope, no issues even when using to compile my work, plug in m.2 enclosure, projecting to type-c display and such, but do note, I am using a 9950X and not 9800X3D, anyway the beta bios are to test the X3D processors. hope this helps 😉

[@mofous]

@@KleoYan Any additional info helps, thanks, though I'm still unsure whether I should bother with a beta bios. I want to tweak the hell out of the 9800x3D and ram and I know I'll want to upgrade to a 'stable' bios version as soon as it releases, so I'd have to do it all again, if I were to set everything up with a beta bios now. Anyway, it's not that big of a deal, I'll manage. :)

[@KleoYan]

@@mofous Hi, I strongly suggest you to stay with non beta bios. you see, I have forget to mentioned, In general, content creators or reviewers should be the ones to test it when these motherboard are loan to us. This board was with me, a month ago and I have tested it on a daily usage basis. Once we find errors and such, we will report to MSI (or other brands) to improve on the beta bios. I am not saying that I am great but thats my normal practice, this is why it took me that long to release my reviews on motherboard. Anyway wait for the the final release of bios before you do any tweaks. It's better to be safe than sorry. 😉

[@PLAYER2035]

@@mofousboard is garbage, I would recommend returning it and getting the x870e carbon instead

[@silverwerewolf975]

​@@PLAYER2035why?

[@JMDI-m2j]

This MB I got for my first PC Build. The led light shows 08 sometimes. Is that something I should be worried of? I couldn't find what the code specifically means. My CPU is the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D.

[@KleoYan]

@@JMDI-m2j hi and welcome to my channel. It’s a known issue and It’s not a concern at the moment. I do get that too. I suggest for you to raise an MSI support ticket as this will speed up the process to have them fix this issue on their next bios update

[@idhamkassim4195]

Nice bro...please review Z890 mobo and guide how to overclock core ultra processor.

[@KleoYan]

Hi Am 84, welcome to my channel. As for your request, I see what I can do.. no promises ya. Thank you for your feedback too. 👍

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Nice video.

[@KleoYan]

Hi John Paul Bacon, welcome back and thank you for your feedback 👍

[@ljobwalker]

Nice Review. Do you do Troubleshooting walk troughs as well? My X870 Mag Tomahawk is not Posting and shows 2 Mobo lights CPU and DRAM not recognized. suggestions?

[@KleoYan]

Hi luke routhieaux, welcome to my channel. have you tried re-seating your CPU and book with one stick of rams? btw what processor are you using and which ram brand, model , size, cas lantency are you using?

[@ljobwalker]

Yes, I reseated the CPU and used only 1 ram stick in the DIMM A2 slot. I am using the Ryzen 7 9800x3d, Trident Z5 Royal 16GB DDR5-6400 CL32.

[@KleoYan]

@@ljobwalker Hmm. you have re-seated and you have use 1 stick and can boot hmm. have you try using latest bios? as in do a bios flash back. if you have tried that. my guess is your rams as CPU seldom fail unless you are very unlucky. Do you have another system to at least test the rams?

[@ljobwalker]

I don’t have different ram but I can use the other stick to try.

[@KleoYan]

@ ok. Give that a try and the last thing you might try is to do a bios flash back on your motherboard using the bios flashback button. Kindly refer to your motherboard manual instruction.

[@Felix_Tan]

I'm not sure why my Motherboard of the same model keeps showing "08" on the LED Debug after entering Windows

[@KleoYan]

Hi Felix Tan, welcome to my channel. You might want to flash it with the latest bios and to clear cmos. That might help, if not, I would advise you to contact MSI support with your issue. Either sign in to your MSI member area account.msi.com/en/login or email them base on the region you are at www.msi.com/page/hot-line

[@l3aIIin23]

Thanks!

[@KleoYan]

Hi rishi, you are most welcome.

[@beyond-thenoise]

Hi l, thanks so much for explaining everything. My ram kit is supposed to be 6000 MT/s, but I see it's set to 4800 MT/s, why would it be set to 4800 by default and is it safe to manually set to 6000? Thanks!

[@KleoYan]

@@beyond-thenoise hi welcome to my channel. If you know what you are doing. It’s ok. If not, it will be better to run with expo profile.

[@silverwerewolf975]

Heared a lot of problems with this mobo, particulary with the 9800x3d 😢

[@KleoYan]

Hi Silver Werewolf, welcome to my channel and Merry Christmas. I have no problem using this board with a 9950X, I guess is the bios that is acting on 9800X3D.. I believe there will be a fix once MSI tech upload the bios to correct those errors.

[@silverwerewolf975]

@@KleoYan Thanks, merry Christmas :D!

[@KleoYan]

@@silverwerewolf975 you are most welcome. 😉

[@onoffgeorg9828]

multiple m.2 disks are the future in mobos. read write about 1600 mb.sec. i have install 4-6 nvme disks in my mobo . using adapters and usb 3.0 ports. i can write ez about 400-800-1600 mb. sec

[@KleoYan]

Hi On Off Georg, welcome to my channel. Thank you for sharing, greatly appreciated it.. infact I get to learn from your experience too 👍

[@Johnny-c6p]

can you please review MSI MEG Z790 ACE Gaming Motherboard

[@KleoYan]

Hi Johnny, welcome to my channel. I see what I can do, no promises ya. thank you!

[@DAMNATION-nt3se]

​@@KleoYan Can you please review MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK MAX WIFI Motherboard

[@KleoYan]

@@DAMNATION-nt3se hi welcome to my channel. I have requested it. Waiting for answer and kindly note I don’t have the intel processor, therefore can’t really give in-depth bios or UEFI review. It will be more like paper specs kind of review if I am able to loan this board from MSI.

[@demasprojects]

I'm having a lot of issues with this mobo using usb 3.1 ports. None of them works. Device non recognized.I tryed win10, win11 and updated bios and drivers. With usb3 expansion cards i can use my devices

[@KleoYan]

Hi demasprojects, welcome to my channel. what kind of usb devices are you using? I am so sorry that you are having this issue.

[@demasprojects]

@KleoYan i' m using index VR head set and any other USB 3 Mass storage like the one Msi provides in the box. For example i cannot complete a safe file transfer,the device gets disconnected in the middle. Should i rma?

[@KleoYan]

@ hmm 🤔 you get intermittent. Yes I would suggest to RMA your board. It’s not performing. It supposed to as I’ve tested simultaneously with the usb 3.1. None drop the connection to both my m.2 usb 3.2 gen 2 enclosure.

[@sketchyunicornslab]

How do you enable the wifi on this board? Have the newest drivers yet no wifi (with a wifi board)

[@KleoYan]

@@sketchyunicornslab hi welcome to my channel. I am using the driver that is from MSI tomahawk support page and it just work.

[@sketchyunicornslab]

@@KleoYan Sham. I opened a ticket with MSI to see if they are able to figure out their own stuff. We will see I guess

[@KleoYan]

@@sketchyunicornslab thanks for the update and hopefully they can help you with it. will await for your update. 😉

[@sketchyunicornslab]

@@KleoYan Because the board is wifi 7 only, wifi 7 is not supported on W10 which is what I use.

[@KleoYan]

@@sketchyunicornslab I see. Then that I won’t be able to aid you as it’s a hardware not a software thing. So sorry.

[@koraykorac5463]

ALC 4080, B850 also use this crappy codec. I don't want to pay 300+EU and deal with sound problems.

[@KleoYan]

Hi koray koraç, welcome to my channel. So sorry to hear your displease, I believe not only this board you are having very bad experiences with the ALC 4080 codec. Maybe try avoiding boards that are build with it or to send your feedback to those boards which built with this codec.

[@koraykorac5463]

​@@KleoYan Thnk you Kleo for rply, Yes, I stay away from board that use 4080

[@KleoYan]

@@koraykorac5463 ok, that's good. maybe give indepth if you really wanted to comment. when you say crappy codec, others who reads it, have no idea what you are talking about. This includes myself. Plus with your shared experience, I am contact Asus SG to give them feedback.

[@koraykorac5463]

@@KleoYan I wrote the details in another video. ALC4080 uses USB, ALC1220 uses the Intel HD Audio standard which uses a direct bus connection to the chipset. people with ALC4080 mobos were reporting crackling even over optical output. For example b650E-F have this codec and some users have this crackling sound. Not everyone may encounter this problem, but it is a risk. It is up to the users to take this risk by paying that much money. Users should first do a good research and then decide.

[@KleoYan]

@ I see, for myself, I don’t use onboard audio, that why I can’t comment. Glad to know the issue. Will feedback to Asus and MSI, thank you.

[@miserablecage9266]

what do u think about msi pro x870-p is it worth or can handle strong chips??

[@KleoYan]

@@miserablecage9266 hi and welcome to my channel. It’s a decent board which will run 9950X with no issue.

[@iraq2003ification]

my wifi adapter dont show up ? why

[@KleoYan]

Hi Joker IQ, which area do you not see the wifi adapter? Windows installation process or?

[@iraq2003ification]

after i installed windows 11, i couldn't find the wifi adapter, even when i tried to download it from msi it won't install

[@KleoYan]

@@iraq2003ification hmm.. this is weird. I have not encounter any issues like yours. What are the ! mark under your device manager?

[@iraq2003ification]

@@KleoYan adapter is not visible at all even though it is enabled in bios

[@KleoYan]

@@iraq2003ification hmm.. might be a faulty card. I would advise you to seek the seller to have a 1:1 exchange, if not raise a support ticket with MSI to have your board change.

[@100radsbar]

Cool, I am building a PC with the same motherboard, as I'm writing this :)

[@KleoYan]

Hi 100radsbar, welcome to my channel. You won't go wrong with this board, it's very well build as compared to it's previous model.

[@100radsbar]

@@KleoYan Thank you :) I'm using the Montech King 95 case you reviewed in another video. I'm going totalley overkill on fans (I use the Arctic P14 PWM PST CO 120mm & 140mm) , and 12. 2x 140mm intake in the bottom, 2x 140mm intsake in the front (using the mesh front), 2x 140mm intake in the right side. 1x 120mm exhaust in the rear, and an Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360 mm in the top as exhaust. :) The board feels very sturdy, and heavy. I heard in other reviews that the bottom grey PCI-E power connector is there to provide additional power to the X16 PCI-E slot. The extra power was for PCI-E 5.0 graphic cards. I guess it could pwer both the USB-C connector, and the PCI-E x16 slot at the same time? :)

[@KleoYan]

@@100radsbar based on the confirmation from MSI tech. that 8pin PCI-E at the bottom is to supply power to the front type-c for fast charged, it does not supply power to the GPU X16 PCI-E Slot.

[@PLAYER2035]

I’ve had endless issues with this board. Firstly, I had 2 different Corsair RAM kits which were on the compatibility list which wouldn’t even post above stock 4800mhz. That cost me a lot of time and money in shipping and returns. Second issue is 2 of my USB ports are intermittently stopping working. On top of that, still getting random BSOD that I can’t even work out. The MSI forums are full of complaints about this board. I would not recommend it at all. Go for the Carbon version which there are no complaints about.

[@KleoYan]

Hi PLAYER2035, welcome to my channel, hmm. interesting, I did use my corsair vengence cl30 6000 EXPO kit and have been using this for almost 2 weeks before I do this content. I have no issues with it .. be it rams, m.2 or even the USB ports.

[@PLAYER2035]

@as I said, just look up the board name and see all the posts on MSI forums. No such complaints about the x870e carbon version so that tells me it’s a board specific issue

[@KleoYan]

@@PLAYER2035 Ok dokie. thanks for the info.. 👍

[@XJoukov]

@@PLAYER2035 i would guess it's just because of its popularity, you'd have the same thing if maybe worse if it were another board in my opinion, as an example most of gigabyte boards were at 0-2% sold in amazon during the blackfriday even though it was discounted

[@Zona-rr2zp]

​@@PLAYER2035imon carbon ..have some debug code 38..otherwise no problems..ah and had some wierd thing with front USB when was connecting my phone via usb4 to share internet..reintaled win 10 and nothing more...btw i maybe fuk.ed with Ram ..its 6000 corsair boots and works np ..but i dont like Voltages of 1.4v and 1.2 on soc ..couldnt change them manuely ( it ads only in decimals eg 0.0001 ..) so turned it on basic speed (tbh cant see any diference with mine 9700x

[@zfeng000]

need white ver

[@KleoYan]

Hi Vuln, welcome to my channel. Thank you for your suggestion. I will feedback this to MSI, thank you! 👍

[@zanaszlibinas1389]

ERROR 10, get this 1/2 times I boot

[@KleoYan]

@@zanaszlibinas1389 hi welcome to my channel. Error code 10 is reflecting on ram which is your ddr5. Not sure if you are using the g.skill rams? As there are report that some g.skill ram kit is causing the issue.

[@zanaszlibinas1389]

@@KleoYan G.SKILL Trident Z5 Royal Neo Series (AMD Expo) DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MT/s CL28-36-36-96 1.40V - can this be fixed with future BIOS updates or should I start looking for new RAM brands, although my whole life I dreamed of a ROYAL set :/

[@KleoYan]

@@zanaszlibinas1389 Hi I came across this and you might want to have a look www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/comments/1h5peew/msi_x870_tomahawk_wifi_error_code_10/

[@zanaszlibinas1389]

@@KleoYan that was my post :D

[@KleoYan]

@@zanaszlibinas1389 I see, I am getting lots of questions about G.Skill rams on either Carbon or this board.. which is weird. I thought those should work. So sorry, I can't solve the issue for you but have highlighted to MSI, hopefully they can fix this issue with a bios update. Off Topic. For me I just use KingBank DDR5 CL28-35-35-76 6000 1.45V and with no issues. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2nQm2Cwqs2reLM . Not only this board, all the X870E or X870 I have tested, from Asus, ASRock and MSI, no problem. only thing is, there are no ARGB nor does it look as good as the G.Skill. Anyway I choose to go with performance, tight timings, cheaper price and with good endurance lifespan rams.. so ya..

[@df0rce]

The animation in the BIOS is really annoying. The mouse response is very bad for me. Anyone else?

[@KleoYan]

Hi df0rce, welcome to my channel. I myself do not have issue with the mouse but I do find it annoying with the animation, thats why I use the arrow keys, enter key and the esc key.

[@df0rce]

@@KleoYan I figured the issue was indeed the very first BIOS version. After the update everything is fine. Cheers

[@KleoYan]

@@df0rce hi and thank you for the feedback. I’ve learned something valuable from you. Thank you for sharing 👍👍👍

[@cloud-cq6dl]

Next asus tuf x870 🎉

[@KleoYan]

Hi cloud 7771, welcome to my channel. lets see what I can do. No promises ya. Thank you for your suggestion. 👍